Club Cobra is Back and Now it is BLACK !!

[GroobySteven]

Try this one.

[Ms Remy M]

Try this one.

That's a new one for me, don't think I've heard of it. Micro brews are my favs though when it comes to lagers so next time I'm out and about will try asking for it. Might have to try the Tap House, local bar with over 200 lagers on tap, and more bottled.

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[SHAUN]

Wow, gr8 stuff!...

Might this mean - in some roundabout way - we're gonna get more stretched and gaping ass shots?...

...If so, this debate/non-debate has been most worthy!

Joking aside, a lot of the points on both sides resonated with me, despite the fact that the apparent debate - about club nights - was just a "trojan horse" for more serious points to be aired... (And nothing wrong with that; the inception of most valuable feelings and opinions often have their origins in apparent trivia)

As for the trivia: I also would much rather sit around a bar with live music where I can chat and hear what's being said without raising voices.

As for the real debate: I would have to agree that TS porn-stars/performers are fetishised and marketed SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY for their cock, as opposed to the fact that they are sexxxy and gorgeous and willing to perform in a whole variety of visually stimulating ways, which surely is the pertinent thing!...

Ordinary Female pornstars/performers are not fetishised and marketed specifically and exclusively for their vagina, so why are TS performers so (in)conveniantly boxed thus?

There is not enough room to give the answers here, BUT, there can be little doubt that the PORN INDUSTRY, following the path of least resistance, collaborates with a specific male sub-culture that is literally obsessed (I repeat, OBSESSED) with "tranny cock"... (This is where I agree with Kitty, and to take her point to its logical conclusion, one could argue that the TS wing of the Porn Industry caters almost exclusively, and most slavishly and unimaginatively, to repressed homosexuals who are not quite ready to shake off the chains of social convention and take the leap of faith that their loins crave, bless them)

I don't mean to blame the TS Porn Industry for this dynamic; it's EASY $$$s to cater for this one dimensional, monolithic, single issue, cock-worshipping fraternity... (Athough I would point out that even MORE $$$$s can, and will, be made by representing ALL the errogenous zones of TS Women, not just their dicks... The TS sites that fill this vacuum first will reap massive rewards)

And I certainly dont mean to promote myself as some hippy goody-goody shining knight on a white horse trying to fight for the right of TS Porn performers to be represented in a more realistic and rounded way.... Hell knows, I'm selfish AND I'm a paying customer, and I just want MORE pics n vids of spread-open TS ass!

Like I've argued for a decade or so now: a TS Porn performer is more than a DICK with a babe attached!!!!... And us guys - the silent majority here - continue to want MORE ass shots!

If TS porn is ever going to escape the cock-obsessed circus side-show it has made of itself, and in the process, maybe, just maybe, do something really cool for TS Women at large, then it will have to continue to address how it promotes it's stars and performers.

Having said that, I have to acknowledge that Grooby - particularly with contributions from Ms Remy, Buddy Wood and Frank - is well on its way to representing TS performers completely fully as seductive, slutty, bewitching feminine sirens (which, of course, is how most men prefer women when watching porn, duh!) and not just a dick-on-legs.

More and more on Grooby sites I am enjoying the gorgeously femme models stroke and caress EVERY part of their bodies, not just their dick... And even better than that, I am loving the increased attention to TS models PLAYING WITH THEIR ASS.... spreading it, stretching it, fingering it, rubbing it etc, and teasing/inviting the viewer while doing so... THIS is feminine seduction how most guys want it!

I think Kitty made some really good points - notwithstanding her comments about "not understanding" men who like TS dick - but she should not expect the TS Porn Industry to cater for, or resolve, the vulnerable position of TS Women in larger society...

But.......If more and more sites follow Grooby's example of representing TS Porn performers as WHOLE BEINGS then, with a bit of luck, there may be a positive pay-off for TS Women throughout society at large (particularly in terms of men who are too chicken-shit to accept their attraction to all forms of femininity, and who currently view such acceptance as an admission/confession of being a freak or gay.... If I were walking out with Mia Isabella or Luxury on my arm, do you think I would care what anyone else thinks about that lol?... Only a true, genuine POOF would care what others think)

Me personally, being the shallow devil I am, I just want to see more gaping ass shots.

SHAUN

"The last time I checked, TS Women have more than just one errogenous zone" - Me

[GroobySteven]

As for the real debate: I would have to agree that TS porn-stars/performers are fetishised and marketed SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY for their cock,

Ordinary Female pornstars/performers are not fetishised and marketed specifically and exclusively for their vagina, so why are TS performers so (in)conveniantly boxed thus?

SHAUN

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

[Ms Remy M]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

I see where Seanchai is coming from here. Go to a sex toy store and you'll see all manner of genital toys marketed specifically off of female stars as well. Looks is another thing I stress toward models, you don't need to be a 'dime' to make it in this industry as it's 75% about the performance. The most beautiful chicks on this planet can try and do porn, but if their performance is bland and boring, few are going to spend money on it. The burst of amateur content over the last few years on the internet has only emphasized this more fully.

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[thegreat1]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

I see where Seanchai is coming from here. Go to a sex toy store and you'll see all manner of genital toys marketed specifically off of female stars as well. Looks is another thing I stress toward models, you don't need to be a 'dime' to make it in this industry as it's 75% about the performance. The most beautiful chicks on this planet can try and do porn, but if their performance is bland and boring, few are going to spend money on it. The burst of amateur content over the last few years on the internet has only emphasized this more fully.

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I agree 100%...id much rather see a '7' chick going super hard than a '10' dead-fishing it and trying to look cute...same as in real life with me...I'll tell a chick in a minute ' this isn't porn, there aren't any cameras around...stop tryna look cute AND FUCK!'...

[jigglygmoney]

Nice way to talk your way out of here.

Here's the problem with you Kitty. You are smart and you are opinionated - all of which I respect in any person. However, you are a hypocrite, you are immature, you are desperately naive and you think you are smarter than you actually are. At 20, that's probably fine but let's hope you can grow out of it, like most of us did.

You come into this forum with an agenda which you espouse which generally goes along the lines of "I don't like my dick", "I don't like guys into TS's", "Why do people like to look at dick". It's an agenda which you like to promote and you just aren't that good at it! You are completely happy to sell your dick and your transgenderism either for money, or the attention of guys into TS's and whose validation you seem to desperately need, while putting yourself above them.

... and for those reasons, as well as the fact, you simply refuse to accept anybody who questions anything you have to say, I have little respect for you.

As for the "go fuck yourself" ... get the fuck out of here and come back when you've matured and can give the same respect for the people here, that you claim to want.

Kinda makes me wonder why a girl that feels that way would come into a forum like this. I mean, anyone is welcome as long as they respect others I guess. But this doesnt seem like the place for a girl that feels that way. Girls like Luxury and Sasha are perfect for this forum because they arent turned off by a guy worshipping whats between their legs. They're turned on by it. Those are the kind of girls I like. Funny thing, if you go to yahoo transgender chatroom, you'll find a lot of girls who hate their cock. I was there years ago and got cussed out a couple times. LOL I knew then, that wasnt the place for me. Maybe Kitty would find more identification in a place like that. I'm just sayin.

[raheme]

Wow did this turn into a shit flinging contest or what?

I came in here to say that I've heard that most of these ts clubs and parties are for working girls to meet up with tricks.

That's why I've never went to any. I guess I'm just like old girl, id just want to go to a spot where I can chill and have a good time like I would at a regular club.

But I also agree with seanchai, I've never been to one for myself so I can't judge...only saying why I haven't been to one. I guess the thinking is they aren't for guys like me.

[SHAUN]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

Yeh I take your points, no probs....

Genital-centric is a good fitting phrase here..... I suppose I just want the TS ass to be afforded genital status (not that I'm trying to re-write the biology books, or anything like that lol)

So, at the risk of repeating myself: guys like me are craving more shots of TS Models playing with their ass like it really really turns them on, like it's a genuine errogenous zone for them...

Infact, even if they're just acting it out (like a lot of ordinary Women Porn performers do) it's still really horny to see Models play with their ass-holes.

I recognise that I luv TS Porn partly because of the genuine unfakeability of a TS Model cumming by stroking her cock... But I also really like the more mysterious/feminine arousal of internal orgasm (even tho it can acted/faked, but like I said that doesn't necessarily bother me)

Anyways, Grooby is moving on and up...

I'm just here to greedily nag and push for a little more TS ass, thats all

SHAUN

[GroobySteven]

Yeh I take your points, no probs....

Genital-centric is a good fitting phrase here..... I suppose I just want the TS ass to be afforded genital status (not that I'm trying to re-write the biology books, or anything like that lol)

So, at the risk of repeating myself: guys like me are craving more shots of TS Models playing with their ass like it really really turns them on, like it's a genuine errogenous zone for them...

Infact, even if they're just acting it out (like a lot of ordinary Women Porn performers do) it's still really horny to see Models play with their ass-holes.

I recognise that I luv TS Porn partly because of the genuine unfakeability of a TS Model cumming by stroking her cock... But I also really like the more mysterious/feminine arousal of internal orgasm (even tho it can acted/faked, but like I said that doesn't necessarily bother me)

Anyways, Grooby is moving on and up...

I'm just here to greedily nag and push for a little more TS ass, thats all

SHAUN

I hear you, like I said, your tastes and mine are similar.
However, as much as we try to balance, when we do a shoot with the girl playing with her ass more, the cock guys complain and when she plays with her cock the ass guys complain.
Each model is unique, we try to get their best assets (no pun intended).