so she turned back to he

[nycguy]

Yall gonna learn about these topics when remy's around lol...smh

[raheme]

Not as contradictory as one would think.Has no one heard of sex positive feminism? Time to whip google out guys lol

You can stuff cream inside a log of shit but that don't make it a twinkie

Sex positive feminism makes about as much since as a pro slavery abolitionist :/

[tsamberskyi]

You can stuff cream inside a log of shit but that don't make it a twinkie

Sex positive feminism makes about as much since as a pro slavery abolitionist :/

what doesnt make sense about woman owning their sexuality and bodies with out legal or social scrutiny.as it applies in this case on can be in the sex industry without being a victim (model,stripper,escort) or predator (porn producers). its about reclaiming power and responsibility.
society (which we all know is patriarchal) tells us that its bad to sell flesh. the same way society tells us that a woman who has had many sexual partners is a slut (outside the norm) but for a man its the status-quo.why? because sexually liberated and independent woman are hard to control.that only men have to right to do as they sexually please.
i understand that for you as a man that is a very radical and threatening thought

[raheme]

what doesnt make sense about woman owning their sexuality and bodies with out legal or social scrutiny.as it applies in this case on can be in the sex industry without being a victim (model,stripper,escort) or predator (porn producers). its about reclaiming power and responsibility.
society (which we all know is patriarchal) tells us that its bad to sell flesh. the same way society tells us that a woman who has had many sexual partners is a slut (outside the norm) but for a man its the status-quo.why? because sexually liberated and independent woman are hard to control.that only men have to right to do as they sexually please.
i understand that for you as a man that is a very radical and threatening thought

That's one hell of a stretch in logic mr fantastic...

If you (not personally) want to be a jump off/freak and fuck 80 guys in one year by all means do it...its your walls & balls not mine. But please don't confuse that with one being sexually liberated...and please don't try to pass that off as some new form of feminism.

The basic underlying principle of what you've modeled for and escorted for is to provide pleasure for men who seek to pay you for your services...the same is true for Remy. She's paid to provide a service...a service which most "feminist" would not agree with.

[tsamberskyi]

That's one hell of a stretch in logic mr fantastic...

If you (not personally) want to be a jump off/freak and fuck 80 guys in one year by all means do it...its your walls & balls not mine. But please don't confuse that with one being sexually liberated...and please don't try to pass that off as some new form of feminism.

The basic underlying principle of what you've modeled for and escorted for is to provide pleasure for men who seek to pay you for your services...the same is true for Remy. She's paid to provide a service...a service which most "feminist" would not agree with.

That is the exact definition of sexual liberation, being able to do what one wants to do sexually without legal or social scrutiny (much like the judgment your passing now).
Any way I'm not here to educate.if you ever feel like expanding your horizons for the sake of academia look up the "feminist sex wars"and the sex positive movement.
You don't agree with the concept cool...just don't be surprised when you run across someone in the industry (like Remy) who has a code of ethics

[raheme]

That is the exact definition of sexual liberation, being able to do what one wants to do sexually without legal or social scrutiny (much like the judgment your passing now).
Any way I'm not here to educate.if you ever feel like expanding your horizons for the sake of academia look up the "feminist sex wars"and the sex positive movement.
You don't agree with the concept cool...just don't be surprised when you run across someone in the industry (like Remy) who has a code of ethics

I've never seen a "war" where all parties agree...

[SHAUN]

Of course you're all making sound points, so I'm not looking to contradict anyone...

But I will say, as per the original point, that I retain the "right" to be thrown off my orbit (TEMPORARILY) in the circumstances of someone "flipping" genders....

(I wouldn't go as far as to say it would "gross me out", but I know what they mean)

To flip genders one hundred times or more in a year is a "right" of whom so ever chooses to do so....

And to be a little confused, dazed, thrown, or even grossed out etc, is a "right" of whom so ever observes this and cannot quite deal with the information in a 100% perfect textbook fashion.

Like I said, it wouldn't "gross me out", but it would certainly throw me out of orbit for a moment or two...

And that is MY right, as per Mother Nature

blue eyed devil

[Indy24]

I just focus on the ones who choose to stay female.

[thepiedpiper]

interesting topic.. I personally would have no issue with a transgendered woman deciding to de-transition and would be supportive of that person as a friend.

As far as being romantically involved I would find that difficult. This is not about me not being comfortable a with myself but rather about what I find sexually attractive or appealing. Among other things I am attracted to femininity and traits exhibited as feminine. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with gender identity as for the most part they are two separate constructs however I am only sexually attracted to a feminine appearance. For some one to de-transition there would also be underlying psychological changes in my opinion. I'd feel in this situation it would generally be human nature for that person to now exhibit what might be considered on a social level highly masculine traits - a beard, deep voice macho temperament etc which, is not attractive to me. I'm sure this is not always the case but it would be interesting to see if people who do de-transition then over compensate once back to their biological gender.

I bet in a lot of cases you would find that MTF transgendered people acted more masculine than before they transitioned and vice versa with FTM.

In comment to Amber I found your discussion about sex-positive feminism interesting. I would like to comment that in the case of female sex workers (Raheme's point) that sexual liberation is not going to be a primary reason for being a sex worker in my opinion but rather a secondary reason. I'd find it hard to believe that some women partake in escort work to simply make a point. I'm not disputing that it would be sexually liberating but I don't buy that it would be the primary cause.

[tsamberskyi]

It's sexually liberating because it's her choice to barter her body and sexuality in exchange for goods.she shouldn't be penalized legally or socially.often times society devalues woman who enter the sex trade and treat them like second class citizens.i mean look at the comments directed to me on this forum.people would like me to believe that because I'm an escort I'm not intelligent, don't have a voice and am of less value than woman who don't escort.
I'm merely trying to make the point that one can be in the adult industry in whatever form and still be a decent person worthy of respect.