so she turned back to he

[tsamberskyi]

Just because a girl may do a photo shoot from time to time for the excitement or extra money doesn't change the fact that they are
A.not escorts
B.in college

[Ms Remy M]

Uh I'm gonna call bs on this.

Maybe I'm jaded but in order for u to meet them they gotta have a get money attitude.

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.

[raheme]

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.

We can agree to disagree. ..no prob

[thegreat1]

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.

So you're saying that just because 'sex work' (e.g. Porn, video/webcam shows, escorting) isnt their PRIMARY or sole source of income, that means they arent sex workers? Or did mis-understand?

[Ms Remy M]

So you're saying that just because 'sex work' (e.g. Porn, video/webcam shows, escorting) isnt their PRIMARY or sole source of income, that means they arent sex workers? Or did mis-understand?

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

[tsamberskyi]

Oh shit...shots fired lol

[thegreat1]

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

You DID notice the punctuation marks, did you not? And i CLEARLY said that i could have misunderstood your post, didnt i?

As for the insults, you dont know me nor my background. Please dont think for a minute that you have me pegged or figured out. You dont. What i AM would shock the shit out of you.

And i believe, even though we may have disagreed on some topics, that i have always been respectful towards you, as well as, spoken very highly of you to many people. So please, let's NOT go down that corridor.

[thegreat1]

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

And by the way, i never said transwomen SHOULD be sex workers. I know a couple girls that have considered doing it and knowing their personalities and future goals, have strongly tried to convince them to do something else. Even if it meant taking longer to reach their transitional goals.

HOWEVER, my motto has always been, 'if you're gonna go, go hard'. So if you're gonna do 'sex work', then go all out, get in, get what you want out of it, then get out. I dont knock anybody for what they do. As long as it doesnt affect MY money, MY health or MY family, who the fuck am i to tell someone what to do with their life?

[Ms Remy M]

You DID notice the punctuation marks, did you not? And i CLEARLY said that i could have misunderstood your post, didnt i?

As for the insults, you dont know me nor my background. Please dont think for a minute that you have me pegged or figured out. You dont. What i AM would shock the shit out of you.

And i believe, even though we may have disagreed on some topics, that i have always been respectful towards you, as well as, spoken very highly of you to many people. So please, let's NOT go down that corridor.

What is there to misunderstand, when all that is required is rereading what is posted? Are you going to sit here and say that because a trans woman is going to college and decided to let her freaky side fly doing a single porn shoot she is a sex worker, because she will get on a web cam and give a free show cause she is freaky she is a sex worker? Well then, you have a sex tape out there on the net so you should be considered a sex worker with that silly logic. Every person that ever posted a home sex tape online is a sex worker too? Do you consider Paris Hilton a sex worker, there is a single vid out on the net of her having sex, and pics of her nude (body parts) lol

And by the way, i never said transwomen SHOULD be sex workers. I know a couple girls that have considered doing it and knowing their personalities and future goals, have strongly tried to convince them to do something else. Even if it meant taking longer to reach their transitional goals.

If you can reread I said "You guys" not you specifically 'thegreat1' the statement was a generalization of what's been said on this thread and a couple other threads on here, based on the state of how some view trans women. One person has continuously alluded to the disbelief that trans women can be nothing but sex workers. Despite the fact that he is conversing with me, a non sex worker trans woman lol

[thegreat1]

What is there to misunderstand, when all that is required is rereading what is posted? Are you going to sit here and say that because a trans woman is going to college and decided to let her freaky side fly doing a single porn shoot she is a sex worker, because she will get on a web cam and give a free show cause she is freaky she is a sex worker? Well then, you have a sex tape out there on the net so you should be considered a sex worker with that silly logic. Every person that ever posted a home sex tape online is a sex worker too? Do you consider Paris Hilton a sex worker, there is a single vid out on the net of her having sex, and pics of her nude (body parts) lol

Per wordiq.com:

A sex worker is anyone who earns their living by providing sexual services. Some use this term to mean only prostitution, although the term is also used by others to refer to other workers in the sex industry such as erotic actors and NUDE MODELS for pornography, striptease dancers and performers in peep shows...

Per sexuality.about.com:

Sex work is an umbrella term used to describe any kind of work that involves sexual services FOR FINANCIAL GAIN

Therefore, yes, they ARE sex workers. And again i repeat, im not judging them BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Oh and by this definition, im NOT a sex worker. Did paris hilton directly gain from her sex tape sales? If so, she is or WAS. If that couple is just posting their vids on a free site, no. If they're receiving 'donations' to view it, then yes.

Dont blame me, i didnt make up the definition, im just going according to it. Now im sure you'll disagree with the definition, which is your right. But again, it is what it is

Ps. I did the 'educated, non-hood' thing and backed my argument up with facts and statements derived from AND supported by those facts. You know, reached back to my debate club days which i participated in when i wasnt running the streets of 'my hood' lol