Why are black men so bad at ...

[GroobySteven]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?

[twowaybro]

One word.....STIGMA.

[GroobySteven]

I wish they would because at least then it would go somewhere ... :)

[BlkMuscleTop]

LOL, maybe they showed up all geeked to perform, but then the whole vibe and setting just made them anxious.

I can comment for myself as a black dude. If I'm putting that dick down, I don't want anyone else around other than who I'm fucking. Background activity just would kill the whole mood for me. I don't know how mainstream adult actors do it with all those folks around, including probably the makeup artist. :)

I always wondered Seanchai why I didn't see more black guys with black tgirl videos. Its something I would love to see more of but I see its not always for a lack of effort on your part certainly. Just can't get reliable performers.

I can't even front, I probably wouldn't be able to perform on camera either, would just be too nervous but once the camera is away I would fuck that ass good and get that nut out. :)

[MrF]

I remember reading somewhere that RELIABLE male talent is actually rare -- I mean a guy who can consistently get it up, keep it up for hours, and cum on demand. Most guys wilt under the hot lights. That's why the male performers tend to have long careers (often 10+ years) in porn.

I don't think this has to do with black vs white, though. Your statistical sample is probably too small to conclude that.

I also read that some unethical producers pump up their talent with Viagra or some other drugs. I'm certainly not recommending it, of course.

[Ivo_Corbier]

id do it if i get to wear a gimp suit, that would be my gimmick.

[GroobySteven]

I remember reading somewhere that RELIABLE male talent is actually rare -- I mean a guy who can consistently get it up, keep it up for hours, and cum on demand. Most guys wilt under the hot lights. That's why the male performers tend to have long careers (often 10+ years) in porn.

I don't think this has to do with black vs white, though. Your statistical sample is probably too small to conclude that.

I also read that some unethical producers pump up their talent with Viagra or some other drugs. I'm certainly not recommending it, of course.

EVERYBODY uses viagra - the trannies - the male performers, it's no secret it's used on virtually every shoot.
The statistical sample is not too small. We do close to 100 hardcore shoots a year in the USA, we've got some awesome Latin and White male performers and have rarely been let down, consistently the black performers can't keep it up in a shoot ... and our shoots are non-demanding and reasonably short. Even the few black performers we've had on this site, you must admit, for the most part have been fairly lame?

Most of them really talk themselves up before hand also - which is the amusing part when you have to read that back to them!

[johnmagnum]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?


I am one of the black men who like to be with tgirls that would not show my face on camera. Why? Because if a black man is seen banging a tgirls by the "black community" you are automatically gay. I am not gay and do not see tgirls as men. But the burden of having the black community thinking im gay is too much for me. I have alot on my plate and black women love to talk. I do not have a problem performing in front of others as some tgirls up here in Chicago know that too!

[BlkMuscleTop]

In a way I agree with Johnmagnum's post above. Some black guys not all of course are still fighting the whole "am I gay" mentality with themselves and might not want their business out there.

Also for some guys the whole DL, secrecy of being involved with transsexual women is part of the enjoyment of it. Kind of like a guilty pleasure. Many still keep up appearances worried about what others might think or how their boys would perceive them, etc.

After all black guys don't have too much problems performing in straight porn for example, put a black or white pussy in front of them and that's a wrap. So how do you explain it.

Of course some guys eventually mature from that "are they gay or not" viewpoint and realize they like what they like.

[GroobySteven]

Ok this thread wasn't so much about "being afraid to show your face on camera" - that's nothing unique to being black - or the black community so my line on that, was pretty irrelevant.
These are guys - who show up - and then ...
F
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[nycguy]

Put me in a bear costume and im good all night!:D

[Ms Remy M]

it's stage fright. Whether they want to admit it or not, it's the camera's and lights. The guys do a whole lot of braggadocio and then show up and are the "Shook Ones".

[PK Vegas]

I can certainly understand that not everyone wants to have their face on camera. But if you don't want to be on camera why respond to an ad looking for performers to be in adult videos. They send emails saying that they will come down to the studio and fuck our girl all night long if we promise not to use the cameras . . . now really WTF are they thinking . . .

In this particular case we had posted a couple ads looking for black male performers to come fuck Natalia Coxxx in her first ever bottom scene.

Within 3 hours I had over 50 replies from black guys all saying they will come down and fuck her off camera. Some even went as far as to tell me I don't even have to pay them HAHAHHAHAA WTF Do the others think that Natalia and I are just sitting down there and we have to pay some guy to fuck her off camera??? This girl walks down the street and she is like a dick magnet :eek:

We ended up not being able to get any black male talent that could perform and have the honor of being the first to get that ass on camera :(

I still need reliable black performers in Las Vegas. If any of you guys want to take a shot at it let me know and I can get you in for a shoot.

Thanks!

PK Vegas

[zipster64]

I'm with everyone who's saying its the fear of being perceived as gay within the larger black community. You even have proof of this by the sheer volume of black guys saying they'd screw all night long - "off camera". Which is just non-sense.

Unless you've been raised in a largely black community and know its contradictions and mindsets well, you'll never understand just how much of an impact its influence can be on those that stray from the perceived "black norm".

If this wasn't an issue, you'd have a number of big time black male porn stars to chose from...but none are volunteering are they (but neither are any prominent white, latino or asian porn stars).

Advertise in local gay newspapers targeted towards blacks and you may find someone who presents straight that can stay straight..."all night long". ;)

[nycguy]

I'm with everyone who's saying its the fear of being perceived as gay within the larger black community. You even have proof of this by the sheer volume of black guys saying they'd screw all night long - "off camera". Which is just non-sense.

Unless you've been raised in a largely black community and know its contradictions and mindsets well, you'll never understand just how much of an impact its influence can be on those that stray from the perceived "black norm".

If this wasn't an issue, you'd have a number of big time black male porn stars to chose from...but none are volunteering are they (but neither are any prominent white, latino or asian porn stars).

Advertise in local gay newspapers targeted towards blacks and you may find someone who presents straight that can stay straight..."all night long". ;)

That is so true! I went to school with a guy who after years of being straight decided to do gay porn. He even won award for his work. Soon as one of our mutual associates found out about him, it hit the grapevine like internet porn! There is no fence riding on sexuality in the black community. If you gay, you hang with gays and girls. If not you hang with the fellas. There is no middle ground there. So anyone who is outed is marked for life. You can never live down a dick in your mouth! So it's not surprising that most guys that like TS dont want any evidence.

[PK Vegas]

I completely agree with these points. The same concerns affect all ethnic groups. My point is that if you have reasons to not want to be on film then do NOT respond to an ad looking for performers for video work.

Does it make them feel like a stud to send an email telling me they could fuck Natalia "All night long" off camera?? Why even bother responding to an ad???

That is the part that cracks me up.

PK Vegas

[PK Vegas]

The best replies are the ones that go into detail about how masculine they are . . .

I am 21 years old, 6'4", 235 lbs, ripped at 4% bodyfat with a 14" rock hard cock!

Uh yea LOL but yet you hide behind an anonymous email and send no pics . . .

This particular guy went on to give great detail about how Natalia would swallow his whole cock and beg for more as he fucked her ass . . .

Pathetic whimpy old mother fucker most likely LOL Typing with one hand and jacking off with the other reading his own bullshit before he hits send hahahah

Seriously I should start posting some of the responses we get . .. it would crack you guys up.

PK Vegas

[GroobySteven]

Your points about being outed are irrelevant. These guys come ... try and shoot - and can't keep it hard!!!

[zipster64]

PK, I'd imagine I'd be rolling all over the floor reading some of the e-mails you get. :) The point has been made in other threads in this forum that a lot of people type stuff they would never say to a friend in the light of day. The anonymity the Internet affords probably accounts for all the written bravado.

[PK Vegas]

PK, I'd imagine I'd be rolling all over the floor reading some of the e-mails you get. :) The point has been made in other threads in this forum that a lot of people type stuff they would never say to a friend in the light of day. The anonymity the Internet affords probably accounts for all the written bravado.


Yes it is amazing how many 12 - 14" dicks are on the internet and they also have the ability to stay hard all night and cum 5 or 6 times and shoot it across the room every time LOL

Gotta love the internet . . .

[zipster64]

Your points about being outed are irrelevant. These guys come ... try and shoot - and can't keep it hard!!!

Seanchai, I agree that their showing up would seemingly work against the postulate that they're afraid of being outed; however, I still feel it's a factor that's in the back of the mind as they try to "perform". I think that in the moment of truth - at the actual shoot - these guys start thinking about the potential consequences of having their encounter with a gorgeous tgirl being permanently recorded for everyone and anyone to see forever.

To get a feel for what I'm talking about, check out the forum of BGCLive.com. You'll see some of the psychology myself and NYC guy are talking about. This is a website for black gays and tgirls and many of its members take great pains to say they AREN'T gay. :rolleyes:

[zipster64]

Yes it is amazing how many 12 - 14" dicks are on the internet and they also have the ability to stay hard all night and cum 5 or 6 times and shoot it across the room every time LOL

Gotta love the internet . . .

I know! lol If I or anyone else truly had one of those monster cocks, I'd be hard pressed to not wanna cash in on it by doing a porn flick or two...or ten. :p

Crazy!

[TsVanessa69]

i Am One Of The Black Men Who Like To Be With Tgirls That Would Not Show My Face On Camera. Why? Because If A Black Man Is Seen Banging A Tgirls By The "black Community" You Are Automatically Gay. I Am Not Gay And Do Not See Tgirls As Men. But The Burden Of Having The Black Community Thinking Im Gay Is Too Much For Me. I Have Alot On My Plate And Black Women Love To Talk. I Do Not Have A Problem Performing In Front Of Others As Some Tgirls Up Here In Chicago Know That Too!:d
Shhhh!!!!!!

[TsVanessa69]

Ok this thread wasn't so much about "being afraid to show your face on camera" - that's nothing unique to being black - or the black community so my line on that, was pretty irrelevant.
These are guys - who show up - and then ...
F
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When my dumb ass decided to have a site, I went tru the same shit.
Limp dicks, little dicks and mainly no shows.
So I gave up.
Not to be racist, just speaking on my expierences.
if you look at my xtube or when I do live webcam shows, white guys dont have an issue with being in front of the camera.
My fantasy shoot with a BBC down my throat and in me balls deep will always be just a fantasy :(

[TsVanessa69]

Seanchai, I agree that their showing up would seemingly work against the postulate that they're afraid of being outed; however, I still feel it's a factor that's in the back of the mind as they try to "perform". I think that in the moment of truth - at the actual shoot - these guys start thinking about the potential consequences of having their encounter with a gorgeous tgirl being permanently recorded for everyone and anyone to see forever.

To get a feel for what I'm talking about, check out the forum of BGCLive.com. You'll see some of the psychology myself and NYC guy are talking about. This is a website for black gays and tgirls and many of its members take great pains to say they AREN'T gay. :rolleyes:

Yea but its sad how disrespectful those guys are to ts.
They are ok with being gay black men, just not ok with the whole ts thing.
They think they are superior to us. SAD.
I even made a you tube video on that subject.

[zipster64]

Yea but its sad how disrespectful those guys are to ts.
They are ok with being gay black men, just not ok with the whole ts thing.
They think they are superior to us. SAD.
I even made a you tube video on that subject.

I agree, I deleted my account after only 1 week! The guys had a lot of unwarranted hate toward the tgirls. :(

What's the link to your you tube video, I'd love to hear your views. Thx.

[TsVanessa69]

I agree, I deleted my account after only 1 week! The guys had a lot of unwarranted hate toward the tgirls. :(

What's the link to your you tube video, I'd love to hear your views. Thx.

http://www.youtube.com/bodybeautiful08

Don't worry, the sexy girls like myself and a few other BTG's handle those faggots and put them in their place!

[TsVanessa69]

I agree, I deleted my account after only 1 week! The guys had a lot of unwarranted hate toward the tgirls. :(

What's the link to your you tube video, I'd love to hear your views. Thx.

Here is a link to the actual video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFvXnIkoIg

[Nassau]

I'll did the vid thang twice
1 was showing my face in both but that was sum amateur shit I dont think Betta yet I kno I couldnt do a btg shoot for 1 Im not in dat gud off shape im in decent shape at best
but doin sum amateur I cud dat

[Nassau]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?
I hate 2 say dis but Black guys whether gay or straight bullshit alot

[Ms Remy M]

That is so true! I went to school with a guy who after years of being straight decided to do gay porn. He even won award for his work. Soon as one of our mutual associates found out about him, it hit the grapevine like internet porn! There is no fence riding on sexuality in the black community. If you gay, you hang with gays and girls. If not you hang with the fellas. There is no middle ground there. So anyone who is outed is marked for life. You can never live down a dick in your mouth! So it's not surprising that most guys that like TS dont want any evidence.

I think these same guys that are worried about what community will think is over-rated. People may talk about this issue for a little while, but other shit will pop up for them to talk about and soon it will be "yesterday's news" like everything else. I'm about as far as one can get from the "black norm", when people see me they may ask a few questions here and there if they don't already know me or haven't seen me before, but I'm not being stigmatized by the community.

At the end of the day, it's no big deal really. No more than "You" make it. Life is too short to spend living it the way "others" think you should live your life. I don't only hang with "gays and girls" I know lots of straight guys and they don't shun me. "...marked for life" what is this the Scarlet Letter or something? lol It's not like you are going to be kicked out of your neighborhood, prevented from shopping at the mall, or drinking from water fountain if it's found out that you like TS. Time to grow up fellas.

[nycguy]

I think these same guys that are worried about what community will think is over-rated. People may talk about this issue for a little while, but other shit will pop up for them to talk about and soon it will be "yesterday's news" like everything else. I'm about as far as one can get from the "black norm", when people see me they may ask a few questions here and there if they don't already know me or haven't seen me before, but I'm not being stigmatized by the community.

At the end of the day, it's no big deal really. No more than "You" make it. Life is too short to spend living it the way "others" think you should live your life. I don't only hang with "gays and girls" I know lots of straight guys and they don't shun me. "...marked for life" what is this the Scarlet Letter or something? lol It's not like you are going to be kicked out of your neighborhood, prevented from shopping at the mall, or drinking from water fountain if it's found out that you like TS. Time to grow up fellas.

Sounds good if it works for you! For those more closely associated with the "black norm" things are different. Every persons situation is unique to them. There is no across the board solution to how we want to be percieved or treated by those whose opinons we value. Those in a position to say fuck em all! cool! but most are not as inclined.

[DirtySouth]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?

Dating TS is considered gay in the black community and is very frowned down upon. There is almost little tolerance, even in the gay community itself. At least its like that here in the south where I have had a horrible time trying to recruit black males for scenes. They just do not want to be seen on camera in order to maintain their privacy but they are the most persistent ethnicity that are after tgirls. It's odd, fustrating, but very real. This is something that I've noticed as a black man on this side of the game.

Some of the solo gals have had plenty of luck in getting male talent but they are rarely repeat performers. The trick may also be that other black males do not want to be video tapped by another black male (i.e. me) who can identify them in public but don't mind being taped by another t-girl or filming with the TS alone (POV video, tripod video, etc.)

[BrunoCavalier]

For me it's an issue of job security. I work in secure buildings and if I was to ever show up in a video, my security clearance would probably be revoked. I could give a fuck about sucking the girls dick and fucking her on cam. And i could give a fuck about peoples opinions, as they are not enjoying the tremendous thrill of sex with a hot tgirl.

If I could obscure my face an tattoo, I'd do this in a heart beat. I understand how lame that is tho, it takes some of the connection and personality from a vid when you can't see both performers faces.

As for Natalia Coxx... damn if I lived near Vegas I'd take the risk on that one.

[roninva]

I have shot some B/G videos for content work and have found that alot of Black guys don't really like the presence of another guy shooting a video, female they are ok sometimes, and once they realize that this is work, not just a free fuck, they can't perform, not many black guys want a camera 2 foot off their ass with hot lights beaming down on them, I would have maybe 1 or 2 other people with b and c cameras rolling or just a second camera and a still camera going at the same time, telling them to change positions, stop, start etc, not many guys are up for that, (no pun intended).
Now these guys that claim being outed, well if they wore a mask and didn't have any tats that you could tell who they are, they shouldn't have a problem with that, the pressure is performing for the camera where there are expectations beyond their own sexual gratification, you got to put up or shut up time, your on the directors cue not yours and most guys aren't feeling that, becomes too much like work.
Now I think if they were doing a POV they may not have the performace problems because they don't have a boss expecting them to perform the scene, and they are able to find more sexual gratification from it.

[Ms Remy M]

Good points you mention there RoninVa

[peggygee]

The question......

http://www.jumbojoke.com/images/viagra.jpg and answer......

:D

[MrKnockOut]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?


Real simple my man...there is NO MONEY in TS Porn for black men...shit men in general.

A black dude does TS porn and gets black balled (no pun intended) from traditional porn...

Risk my career for $150 (if that much), nah...at least the girls are getting paid...

Most white/asian TS won't touch a black dude, unlike black ts (they will fuck any white guy with enough cash) so the opportunities for a white guy doing TS porn are more exponential and abound than those for a black guy...

As far as the going limp shit, IDK about that, maybe you're just getting black bottoms posing as tops in order to make some cash...

[MrKnockOut]

Also,

The flipside to your "case against black men" could very easily be, why not just accomodate the dudes and let them wear a mask or face covering...what the hell are you looking at their faces for? I mean, if it really is that hard why not let em put a mask on so long as there dicks stay hard and they do fuck all night? I just don't get all this shit...simple solutions on both ends...everybody's happy...

[roninva]

Wanted to add, if you're a guy wanting to do porn with GG you will totally blow that chance with a lot of the GG porn stars, most of them will not knowingly do a scene with a guy who does Gay or TS porn. there is a small few who will but for the most part once it's out that is what you do they will not work with you...... period
now there are some guys who have started out in gay porn and transition to females, but they are very few and a lot of the straight porn guys will not do a scene with a female you may have worked with, usually the GG who careers are on the wane or newbie will do the crossover guys for the most part.

[PK Vegas]

Also,

The flipside to your "case against black men" could very easily be, why not just accomodate the dudes and let them wear a mask or face covering...what the hell are you looking at their faces for? I mean, if it really is that hard why not let em put a mask on so long as there dicks stay hard and they do fuck all night? I just don't get all this shit...simple solutions on both ends...everybody's happy...

This is hardly a "case against black men" it is just a response to the outcry on this forum for more scenes with black males . . . we do not want you guys to think we don't listen to your requests . . . so we have explained the reason why we do not shoot more scenes with black male talent.

The mask is not a solution as the girls are not pleased performing with a guy who is "embarassed" to be seen with them . . . and viewers like to see expressions on both performers faces. If the girl gives great head you know it by the expression on the male talents face. If her ass is good you know it by the expression on the male talent's face.

So what seems like a simple solution unfortunately is not.

Thanks!

PK Vegas

[PK Vegas]

Wanted to add, if you're a guy wanting to do porn with GG you will totally blow that chance with a lot of the GG porn stars, most of them will not knowingly do a scene with a guy who does Gay or TS porn. there is a small few who will but for the most part once it's out that is what you do they will not work with you...... period
now there are some guys who have started out in gay porn and transition to females, but they are very few and a lot of the straight porn guys will not do a scene with a female you may have worked with, usually the GG who careers are on the wane or newbie will do the crossover guys for the most part.

This has always been an issue with a few exceptions. Christian has managed to grow his career despite everyone in "straight" knowing about his gay and TS performances. He has now started producing for one of the largest straight companies on the web. They have no problem with it. Some of the biggest male talent names started in gay - Peter North for example. He has worked with every big name girl there is. I think the determining factor is if female talent sees the guy as responsible and knows he is working with tested talent and being careful. Unfortunately our niche is not known for being the safest so some people approach it with a closed mind . .. but I trust this will continue to get better as we move into the future.

Thanks!

PK Vegas

[TVSURFER]

Sounds good if it works for you! For those more closely associated with the "black norm" things are different. Every persons situation is unique to them. There is no across the board solution to how we want to be percieved or treated by those whose opinons we value. Those in a position to say fuck em all! cool! but most are not as inclined.
That is why you're the guy from the apple! Very well said, 'guy.
:cool:

[GroobySteven]

Also,

The flipside to your "case against black men" could very easily be, why not just accomodate the dudes and let them wear a mask or face covering...what the hell are you looking at their faces for? I mean, if it really is that hard why not let em put a mask on so long as there dicks stay hard and they do fuck all night? I just don't get all this shit...simple solutions on both ends...everybody's happy...

Huh? The only "case against black men" is the fact we can't get a one to perform in the videos with any degree of success - and it's got nothing to do with them being "bottoms" as you mistakenly stated. So you can off that stance as it's dull.

Wearing a mask? When in reality do you see people having sex when one is wearing a mask outside a rape scene?

[Ms Remy M]

Huh? The only "case against black men" is the fact we can't get a one to perform in the videos with any degree of success - and it's got nothing to do with them being "bottoms" as you mistakenly stated. So you can off that stance as it's dull.

Wearing a mask? When in reality do you see people having sex when one is wearing a mask outside a rape scene?

I have to admit, most guys on the indepedant solo sites (not the Club sites) do wear mask of some kind, and while I haven't done any actual research, I reckon some guys may like wearing mask a la "Eyes Wide Shut" or other role playing situations. The way I see it, most guys watching porn, can care less about what the male performer looks like, they just want to see actual penetration which doesn't require looking at his face. They do have those "Robin" masks that block the eye area but still allows for facial experessions to be seen. Just a thought...

[Nassau]

dirtysouth put it best
there is a small tolerance for gays in the black community
let me put it in a scenario for the other reason
let's say a black guy decides 2 do a shoot with btg
and a guy in that area is also in btgs
and he sees it, most likely that guy with out that guy that did the shoot but at the same time hide the fact the he is into btg as well

in the black community you don't have 2 prove another guy is gay
all u gotta do is say it and in most cities it will spread around

[MrKnockOut]

I have to admit, most guys on the indepedant solo sites (not the Club sites) do wear mask of some kind, and while I haven't done any actual research, I reckon some guys may like wearing mask a la "Eyes Wide Shut" or other role playing situations. The way I see it, most guys watching porn, can care less about what the male performer looks like, they just want to see actual penetration which doesn't require looking at his face. They do have those "Robin" masks that block the eye area but still allows for facial experessions to be seen. Just a thought...

well put my man...couldn't have said it better

[nycguy]

dirtysouth put it best
there is a small tolerance for gays in the black community
let me put it in a scenario for the other reason
let's say a black guy decides 2 do a shoot with btg
and a guy in that area is also in btgs
and he sees it, most likely that guy with out that guy that did the shoot but at the same time hide the fact the he is into btg as well

in the black community you don't have 2 prove another guy is gay
all u gotta do is say it and in most cities it will spread around

I have to admit, I dont understand a word of this! lol... But! my scenario is this. You(meaning the reader) decides to do a scene with your local BTG photographer with your top rated girl on this site. Unknown to you, someone that your aqauinted with watches the shoot. Now this isn't a friend, more like a friend of a friend. He sees it and tells someone some story about how he came across your scene. He gets questioned a little, but you are forever known as a gay porn dude. And trust, anyone who may know you will find out about it eventually. Since you do not consider yourself gay, and still mess with GG's, all that is over in your area. no girl would share dick with a guy who fucks guys in any fashion, real talk. Most of the people you was cool with are now avoiding you to avoid suspicion themselves. you may have some cats that are cool with you regardless, but even that relationship is forever changed. It's all about your comfort area. In a place like this one (NYC) spreading around the city is pretty unlikely, It's just too dam big and crowded here. And its done all the time by those who never had a comfort area growing up. It's also why most gay and ts here are from somewhere else! Even a move from bronx to brooklyn is a totally different world/city to most. But for those who value their comfort areas, being blown up is not an option.

As far as the robin mask, Cant see that working. Neccesity is the mother of invention. If the only way you can get quality talent is using a mask, work it into the shoot like other folks do, with very good results I might add!

[Ms Remy M]

He sees it and tells someone some story about how he came across your scene. He gets questioned a little, but you are forever known as a gay porn dude.

Really? I think the guy would probably see you as his personal 'hero' and want you to school him on your tgirl knowledge. After all nobody is coming across tgirl porn that aren't looking for it, so the guy obviously like tgirls himself. What purpose do you think "outing" you would serve? Would you "out" someone you knew when you saw them appear in a video? Seriously, question your choice in friends if they would hate on you so badly. Why befriend a bigot and/or homo-phobe? Would you befriend a racist? Befriend those who can accept you for you. All others can simply be associates whose personal opinions of you are irrelevant.


And trust, anyone who may know you will find out about it eventually. Since you do not consider yourself gay, and still mess with GG's, all that is over in your area. no girl would share dick with a guy who fucks guys in any fashion, real talk. Most of the people you was cool with are now avoiding you to avoid suspicion themselves.

That sounds like something that might possibly happen in a small "Fargo" kind of town, where everyone knows each other and grew up together. We producers, (with a couple exceptions) are in major Metro areas and it's viturally impossible for someone to tell every single female that you were in a tgirl porn video. This is like worrying about the sun exploding or a car jumping the curb and killing you Final Destination style. Yeah, techincally it can happen, but it's not a problem to sit and hide wringing your hands over. Live your life and be happy. Take off the mask you wear for society and be your true self.

You are seriously mistaken if you believe every female would shun you for liking tgirls. There are a great many females that are into tgirls themselves, and even more that are into gay/bi men. Nearly every single female I've been in a relationship with was aware of my lifestyle, and being a bit androgynous, many of them were bi themselves.

I fail to see why so many guys look for the approval of society, complete strangers, and half assed friends when, in reality they care "fuck all" about you.

Do the mindless minions of society congratulate you on your hard day at work when you come home?

Do they whisper sweet nothings to you when you lay down at night?

Do they offer solace when you stub your toe at night, or are late on a bill?

Do you fear no one will show up at your funeral if it's known you liked tgirls, is it even possible to care once you're decaying flesh in the ground? :)

Micheal Jackson fondled little boys and everyone still went ape-shit for him. So if you are some kind of celebrity or big wig CEO on the otherside of the pc, know that at the end of the day all the bs you worry "might" happen means nothing. Everything turns into yesterdays news rather quickly, even for those who are always in the "public eye", meaning celebrities.

Lil Wayne likes to kiss Baby on the mouth, look how long that was 'news'.

R Kelly likes to piss on underage girls, look how long that was 'news'.

Chingy looks and acts like a butch queen, how long was that news.

There's been a few actors that have been caught with tgirl escorts, how long was that relevant news?

Everybody has their own 99 problems to deal with. Quit fabricating potential problems to excuse your own insecruities and man the fuck up.

[GroobySteven]

... but this is all by the by ... the performers just can't do IT!
:eek:

[TVSURFER]

Really? I think the guy would probably see you as his personal 'hero' and want you to school him on your tgirl knowledge. After all nobody is coming across tgirl porn that aren't looking for it, so the guy obviously like tgirls himself. What purpose do you think "outing" you would serve? Would you "out" someone you knew when you saw them appear in a video? Seriously, question your choice in friends if they would hate on you so badly. Why befriend a bigot and/or homo-phobe? Would you befriend a racist? Befriend those who can accept you for you. All others can simply be associates whose personal opinions of you are irrelevant.



That sounds like something that might possibly happen in a small "Fargo" kind of town, where everyone knows each other and grew up together. We producers, (with a couple exceptions) are in major Metro areas and it's viturally impossible for someone to tell every single female that you were in a tgirl porn video. This is like worrying about the sun exploding or a car jumping the curb and killing you Final Destination style. Yeah, techincally it can happen, but it's not a problem to sit and hide wringing your hands over. Live your life and be happy. Take off the mask you wear for society and be your true self.

You are seriously mistaken if you believe every female would shun you for liking tgirls. There are a great many females that are into tgirls themselves, and even more that are into gay/bi men. Nearly every single female I've been in a relationship with was aware of my lifestyle, and being a bit androgynous, many of them were bi themselves.

I fail to see why so many guys look for the approval of society, complete strangers, and half assed friends when, in reality they care "fuck all" about you.

Do the mindless minions of society congratulate you on your hard day at work when you come home?

Do they whisper sweet nothings to you when you lay down at night?

Do they offer solace when you stub your toe at night, or are late on a bill?

Do you fear no one will show up at your funeral if it's known you liked tgirls, is it even possible to care once you're decaying flesh in the ground? :)

Micheal Jackson fondled little boys and everyone still went ape-shit for him. So if you are some kind of celebrity or big wig CEO on the otherside of the pc, know that at the end of the day all the bs you worry "might" happen means nothing. Everything turns into yesterdays news rather quickly, even for those who are always in the "public eye", meaning celebrities.

Lil Wayne likes to kiss Baby on the mouth, look how long that was 'news'.

R Kelly likes to piss on underage girls, look how long that was 'news'.

Chingy looks and acts like a butch queen, how long was that news.

There's been a few actors that have been caught with tgirl escorts, how long was that relevant news?

Everybody has their own 99 problems to deal with. Quit fabricating potential problems to excuse your own insecruities and man the fuck up.
Damn Remy, your boss just wanted to know what's the problem with black men and no erections during screening, not what's right or wrong with the world! You better wise up! You're showing your hand!
:cool:

[Ms Remy M]

Damn Remy, your boss just wanted to know what's the problem with black men and no erections during screening, not what's right or wrong with the world! You better wise up! You're showing your hand!
:cool:

I apologize to Seachai for my bad forum manners. Im like the Taliban of forums hijacking threads left and right! lol j/k I obviously wasn't referring to his original question in that latest post. You don't like it, no one is forcing you to read and/or respond. I'm sure he'll tell me to "shut the bloody hell up". Thanks for your meaningful and insightful opinion on the original post...

[nycguy]

Really? I think the guy would probably see you as his personal 'hero' and want you to school him on your tgirl knowledge. After all nobody is coming across tgirl porn that aren't looking for it, so the guy obviously like tgirls himself. What purpose do you think "outing" you would serve? Would you "out" someone you knew when you saw them appear in a video? Seriously, question your choice in friends if they would hate on you so badly. Why befriend a bigot and/or homo-phobe? Would you befriend a racist? Befriend those who can accept you for you. All others can simply be associates whose personal opinions of you are irrelevant.



That sounds like something that might possibly happen in a small "Fargo" kind of town, where everyone knows each other and grew up together. We producers, (with a couple exceptions) are in major Metro areas and it's viturally impossible for someone to tell every single female that you were in a tgirl porn video. This is like worrying about the sun exploding or a car jumping the curb and killing you Final Destination style. Yeah, techincally it can happen, but it's not a problem to sit and hide wringing your hands over. Live your life and be happy. Take off the mask you wear for society and be your true self.

You are seriously mistaken if you believe every female would shun you for liking tgirls. There are a great many females that are into tgirls themselves, and even more that are into gay/bi men. Nearly every single female I've been in a relationship with was aware of my lifestyle, and being a bit androgynous, many of them were bi themselves.

I fail to see why so many guys look for the approval of society, complete strangers, and half assed friends when, in reality they care "fuck all" about you.

Do the mindless minions of society congratulate you on your hard day at work when you come home?

Do they whisper sweet nothings to you when you lay down at night?

Do they offer solace when you stub your toe at night, or are late on a bill?

Do you fear no one will show up at your funeral if it's known you liked tgirls, is it even possible to care once you're decaying flesh in the ground? :)

Micheal Jackson fondled little boys and everyone still went ape-shit for him. So if you are some kind of celebrity or big wig CEO on the otherside of the pc, know that at the end of the day all the bs you worry "might" happen means nothing. Everything turns into yesterdays news rather quickly, even for those who are always in the "public eye", meaning celebrities.

Lil Wayne likes to kiss Baby on the mouth, look how long that was 'news'.

R Kelly likes to piss on underage girls, look how long that was 'news'.

Chingy looks and acts like a butch queen, how long was that news.

There's been a few actors that have been caught with tgirl escorts, how long was that relevant news?

Everybody has their own 99 problems to deal with. Quit fabricating potential problems to excuse your own insecruities and man the fuck up.

If your going to quote someone to prove a point at least use the entire quote! But before I get to that! Tevin campbell, Caught with a tranny, When is the last time you heard of him! Eddie Murphy, caught with a tranny, and didn't do anything outside of Schreck for a minute. He did that from the comfort of his home. Hugh Grant caught wit a hooker, What was the last movie you saw with him? And he was the next thing!

Oh, and "personal Hero"? are you kidding me? wow!

Now back to the other thing. If you feel the need to manipulate the facts just to be right than more power to ya! For those who actaully read my post they must be scratching their head at how you tried to portray it. And then to omit my point so you can claim it for your own! Priceless! I wont go into detail because i think it would be more enjoyable and educational for the forum to read my origional post, and then see what you attempted to pass as informative opinion. Come on guy, your better than that sophmoric hack job, arent you?

[nycguy]

I have to admit, I dont understand a word of this! lol... But! my scenario is this. You(meaning the reader) decides to do a scene with your local BTG photographer with your top rated girl on this site. Unknown to you, someone that your aqauinted with watches the shoot. Now this isn't a friend, more like a friend of a friend. He sees it and tells someone some story about how he came across your scene. He gets questioned a little, but you are forever known as a gay porn dude. And trust, anyone who may know you will find out about it eventually. Since you do not consider yourself gay, and still mess with GG's, all that is over in your area. no girl would share dick with a guy who fucks guys in any fashion, real talk. Most of the people you was cool with are now avoiding you to avoid suspicion themselves. you may have some cats that are cool with you regardless, but even that relationship is forever changed. It's all about your comfort area. In a place like this one (NYC) spreading around the city is pretty unlikely, It's just too dam big and crowded here. And its done all the time by those who never had a comfort area growing up. It's also why most gay and ts here are from somewhere else! Even a move from bronx to brooklyn is a totally different world/city to most. But for those who value their comfort areas, being blown up is not an option.

As far as the robin mask, Cant see that working. Neccesity is the mother of invention. If the only way you can get quality talent is using a mask, work it into the shoot like other folks do, with very good results I might add!

Oh the tricks of the media! Keeping it real since 1971!

[peggygee]

Wow, I never knew that the Black community was so small that whoever
someone was bedding down with was going to make news throughout
the hood.

Are people going to take an ad out on BET.

http://www.sohh.com/img/bet-2008-10-24-300x300.jpg

If they're watching trans porn, y'all are iin the same club.

[Nassau]

Wow, I never knew that the Black community was so small that whoever
someone was bedding down with was going to make news throughout
the hood.

Are people going to take an ad out on BET.

http://www.sohh.com/img/bet-2008-10-24-300x300.jpg

If they're watching trans porn, y'all are iin the same club.

you know in the black community gossip travels
I live in Chicago on da northside and I can say if a dude from my part of town was 2 do a shoot with grooby and somewhere happens 2 recognize him his name would be all over the northside half of the west and the southside in days, I have seen similar stuff happen

[peggygee]

you know in the black community gossip travels
I live in Chicago on da northside and I can say if a dude from my part of town was 2 do a shoot with grooby and somewhere happens 2 recognize him his name would be all over the northside half of the west and the southside in days, I have seen similar stuff happen


I'm going to have to agree with Remy about those one horse
towns like Fargo.

http://tf.org/images/covers/fargo.jpg

I've lived in small towns and big cities, known a lot of people,
and haven't had my business on Front Street.

But as to the original question, I do wonder why the guys who
do show up and are willing to be filmed can't perform, even with
Viagra.

It may be the stop, start, change positions, lights and cameras
on them impacting their perfromance as was staed upthread.

[GroobySteven]

I knew this one was going to be a good debate.
:-)

[nycguy]

I knew this one was going to be a good debate.
:-)

Its only a good debate when both sides can offer interesting facts, not opinions. Myself and Nassau are speaking from experience! the rest are just farting on their keyboards.

[DirtySouth]

LMAO @ farting on keyboards

[DirtySouth]

You are seriously mistaken if you believe every female would shun you for liking tgirls. There are a great many females that are into tgirls themselves, and even more that are into gay/bi men.

Where they do that at? You cant be serious. Are we talking from your experiences or are you making a theory? My experiences, and most other guys that I have personally dealt with over the years that are into the scene, have had ZERO luck revealing that to a female. Thats the quickest way to turn a woman (especially a black woman) against you.



Do you fear no one will show up at your funeral if it's known you liked tgirls, is it even possible to care once you're decaying flesh in the ground? :)

Ugh......yeah. No comment. A little too far.



Micheal Jackson fondled little boys and everyone still went ape-shit for him.


Yeah, after he DIED. When he was alive, he was crucified daily. He hadn't put out an album in a decade or more. He was still living off that 80s money.



Lil Wayne likes to kiss Baby on the mouth, look how long that was 'news'.


It still is news. Its brought up all the time, but wait...you dont listen to rap, you wouldnt know.



R Kelly likes to piss on underage girls, look how long that was 'news'.


Bringing up R.Kelly is a very bad talking point. We are talking about same sex relations. R kelly has sex with a girl at the end of a day, not a boy.

He was found not guilty. Plus the girl was what 14? less than a century ago, that would have been ripe age to plow that. Have yall seen these 14 year olds lately? They look 20 sometimes. I'm not saying I condone what he did, or for anyone else to do it, but it wasnt like she was a freaking 6 year old. It can be overlooked over time - as proven by how it was forgotten.

Have yall seen that chick in the video? She look like someone been blowing her back out for years anyway.

But again - it was a teenage girl. If it was a teenage boy, or a man period, he would been thrown under the bus.



Chingy looks and acts like a butch queen, how long was that news.


It never was in the news. Alongside that, America favors the pretty boy metrosexual (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.) over the traditional man-icons of the old days (Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, etc.) There was a case study just done on that. So Chingy may have been seen like that to YOU, but not to women. Especially when his music was hot.

Here is the case study: http://robertcargill.com/2009/10/07/does-the-pill-make-women-want-less-manly-men/



There's been a few actors that have been caught with tgirl escorts, how long was that relevant news?

It wasnt relevant news long BUT it just terminated their careers or severely hindered them.

Hey we all are here because we like TGirls one way or another. Whether you praise them or despise them outside of sex - doesnt matter. If you value your interaction in the outside world, your career, and so on - your chances of your sexuality being accepted are zilch....especially if you are an African American.

Its just something you have to accept if its what you like. Trying to push the envelope on this is futile IMO. Gays are being accepted more and more everyday, but I dont think the case is the same for TS. Its the only lifestyle that is frowned upon by both Gay and Str8 communities....I speak mainly of the AFRICAN AMERICAN communities. We are not so forgiving of lifestyle choices - hence why the male talent pool is dried the fuck up.

....but who cares? Where's the porn!!! lol

[werwt22]

Has anyone here ever heard of ED? LMAO. Limp dick is limp dick. Happens to us all one time or another haha. Also some guys jerkoff before they have sex so they will last longer the second time around, and a lot of the time that has a negative effect. I remember times where I jerked off so much I had no interest in any ass at all for the entire day. Try jerking off before you get dressed to go to the club and see how much interest you still have in going LOL.

[Ms Remy M]

If your going to quote someone to prove a point at least use the entire quote! But before I get to that! Tevin campbell, Caught with a tranny, When is the last time you heard of him! Eddie Murphy, caught with a tranny, and didn't do anything outside of Schreck for a minute. He did that from the comfort of his home. Hugh Grant caught wit a hooker, What was the last movie you saw with him? And he was the next thing!

Oh, and "personal Hero"? are you kidding me? wow!

Now back to the other thing. If you feel the need to manipulate the facts just to be right than more power to ya! For those who actaully read my post they must be scratching their head at how you tried to portray it. And then to omit my point so you can claim it for your own! Priceless! I wont go into detail because i think it would be more enjoyable and educational for the forum to read my origional post, and then see what you attempted to pass as informative opinion. Come on guy, your better than that sophmoric hack job, arent you?

"personal hero" might have been too strong of a phrase. There are a lot of guys that would consider a guy who gets paid to fuck the "top rated girls" -someone of admiration- is that better? I certainly didn't mean "hero" in the firefighters of 9/11 sense, more of the Hugh Hefner, Shane Diesel, [insert male porn star name] sense. If I came across a guy that performed in a tgirl video I saw, I wouldn't try to ruin his public life and 'hate' on him. I would tell him, "hey good job, I like your work" and keep it moving. I'm an oddball though.

What facts did you present that I manipulated? Everything you said was "Your scenario". It read like your opinion on what might happen. I gave my opposing view. I'm trying to end the unnecessary fear guys that like tgirls have. At the end of the day, I'm not the one hiding behind the pc, hoping no one finds out I like tgirls. The gay community didn't gain acceptance by hiding in the closet, it was by coming out. The same needs to happen for the TS community.

Apparently ya'll are adamant about the black community ostracizing those into tgirls, so be it. Thankfully there are other races and people of sound mind and body who aren't afraid to stand up for what's "right". I hope those who do hide, don't spread the "hate" and bad mouth tgirls when around straight friends at least. Then again, I know people in this Industry who do exactly that and try with all their might to keep their "tgirl business" separate from the rest of their life. Good luck to you all in your endevours.

[Ms Remy M]

Where they do that at? You cant be serious. Are we talking from your experiences or are you making a theory? My experiences, and most other guys that I have personally dealt with over the years that are into the scene, have had ZERO luck revealing that to a female. Thats the quickest way to turn a woman (especially a black woman) against you.

Yep personal experinces, which you already knew, and from the experinces of others "IN" the community, I have a few models on the site that are into females and in turn females are into them.

If a person is hiding in the closet and ignoring the issues of coming out to their girlfriend/wife what experince are they basing it upon. If your only experince with a tgirl is through watching porn and/or escorts, you are not really in the scene. How many females rejected/accepted you after you told them you're into tgirls? Based on the earlier statement, once you tell 1 black female you are into tgirls the whole black community will find out in "x" amount of time. So once that happened initially, what's the point of continuing to hide? "Zero luck"? you and I both know that is a "lie to prove a point". Granted the ratio is bad, but it's not Zero. Are you seriously going to tell me that you told 1 female and she told every black person in Atlanta or NY that you like tgirls? And then you still continue to hide? What's the point of hiding at that stage?

I do think that "revealing" that you are into tgirls later down the road in a relationship would rarely work out. It's something that you should be upfront and honest about near the beginning. Same goes for tgirls that try to fool guys, there are certain ways to go about matters, and later isn't better.




Ugh......yeah. No comment. A little too far. :D I know, I was pushing to see if conversation would sway that way. I apologize for any offense.


It never was in the news. Alongside that, America favors the pretty boy metrosexual (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.) over the traditional man-icons of the old days (Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, etc.) There was a case study just done on that. So Chingy may have been seen like that to YOU, but not to women. Especially when his music was hot. I've read a similar study, but didn't revolve around the pill. This isn't what I'm referring to. It was a youtube or maybe mediatakeout vid someone sent before. I can't remember which, I don't care to keep up with celebrity gossip, just was a list off the top of my head. You say they have all burned in "celebrity HELL" for dating tgirls then I stand corrected.


Its the only lifestyle that is frowned upon by both Gay and Str8 communities....I speak mainly of the AFRICAN AMERICAN communities.
....but who cares? Where's the porn!!! lol

Gay men frown upon tgirls because tgirls are far more easily able to hook up with the coveted straight guys. There's been an unfortuante surge in gay men who'll "play" the tgirl so that they can hook up with a straight guy, and then revert back to verbally knocking the girls. Of course, if you hang around in the gay community you will see that the animosity extends in every direction and everyone is subject to a "read".

On that R.Kelly matter, bad example ok, but a pedophile is a pedophile. It doesn't matter that he's a black man that continues to makes great music. I don't care what was allowed a century ago, nor that her "fast ass" was consenting, or that he had the money and lawyers to make sure he didn't go to jail. If a grown ass man or anyone for that matter tried to "plow" my neice I'd make sure they'd wish they were already in Hell. Any parent that has that "oh well" mentality to that situation ought to be ashamed of themselves, and pray their children are never in that position.

[Spellion]

Being kind of new to the BTG word,I would put it to you like this...The guys that respond & don't show are more likely trying to build they self up but are worrying about they face being exposed,but the fact of the matter is that if anyone seen there face,they are into the same thing.So the ones that do show up that fail are the type to just be out here to be out here!!! I say do better at casting & this problem won't be a prolem!!!

[nycguy]

"personal hero" might have been too strong of a phrase. There are a lot of guys that would consider a guy who gets paid to fuck the "top rated girls" -someone of admiration- is that better? I certainly didn't mean "hero" in the firefighters of 9/11 sense, more of the Hugh Hefner, Shane Diesel, [insert male porn star name] sense. If I came across a guy that performed in a tgirl video I saw, I wouldn't try to ruin his public life and 'hate' on him. I would tell him, "hey good job, I like your work" and keep it moving. I'm an oddball though.

What facts did you present that I manipulated? Everything you said was "Your scenario". It read like your opinion on what might happen. I gave my opposing view. I'm trying to end the unnecessary fear guys that like tgirls have. At the end of the day, I'm not the one hiding behind the pc, hoping no one finds out I like tgirls. The gay community didn't gain acceptance by hiding in the closet, it was by coming out. The same needs to happen for the TS community.

Apparently ya'll are adamant about the black community ostracizing those into tgirls, so be it. Thankfully there are other races and people of sound mind and body who aren't afraid to stand up for what's "right". I hope those who do hide, don't spread the "hate" and bad mouth tgirls when around straight friends at least. Then again, I know people in this Industry who do exactly that and try with all their might to keep their "tgirl business" separate from the rest of their life. Good luck to you all in your endevours.

When someones words are taken out of context, And edited to omit pertinent information that refutes someone elses point, That is manipulation. The "fargo" reference seems funnier, when you delete the fact that I already said that about big citys. And omiting the fact that I never said it was a friend who blows you up, makes criticizing ones friends seem appropriate, just not accurate.

There are those of us who live in the "black" community and there are others who live in the "world" community. There are differences whether you want to accept it or not. my example was not a "scenario" it was a names omited version of actual events, and lives. not some cute peggy comment. There is always going to be those that like to expose others to take light off of them. and word does spread faster than you think, when you know enough people. Like treach said, and I paraphrase; "if you aint from the ghetto, and you dont come to the ghetto, then you dont know what happens in the ghetto, so stay the fuck out the ghetto! ;)

And an other note more related to the main topic. Did PK Vegas say that guys are crazy to expect to get paid cause Natalia can have any guy she wants?!? Fuck kinda crack he on. Roxy Reynolds could get a dick photoshopped on her and she would be the hottest bitch here! and dudes still get paid to fuck her. you could have an opportunity to fuck the girl of your choice here in your own video title and there are only two catches, One your not getting paid, and two your ten closest friends/family get a private screening. Any takers?!? Besides Remy, Tony V and Seanchai? Dont everybody stand up at once! Not only are you the tranny fucker, but you did it for free?? Ya'll dont understand the hood at all! The only saving grace for the subject of my example was that he got paid to do it, at least. And he won awards for his hustle, which makes him OG in almost any hood that respects hustle.

[peggygee]

Yep personal experinces, which you already knew, and from the experinces of others "IN" the community, I have a few models on the site that are into females and in turn females are into them.



Not one of the models, but I have in the past and could in
the future kick it with the right natal female, particularly as
I don't have to stick anything in her.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/lipstick-lesbian4x4.jpg




On that R.Kelly matter, bad example ok, but a pedophile is a pedophile. It doesn't matter that he's a black man that continues to makes great music. I don't care what was allowed a century ago, nor that her "fast ass" was consenting, or that he had the money and lawyers to make sure he didn't go to jail. If a grown ass man or anyone for that matter tried to "plow" my neice I'd make sure they'd wish they were already in Hell. Any parent that has that "oh well" mentality to that situation ought to be ashamed of themselves, and pray their children are never in that position.


This hits close to home for me, and I have absolutely no
sympathy for pedophiles.

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson may have been talented entertainers,
but molesting children is unconscionable and unforgivable.

[TVSURFER]

Not one of the models, but I have in the past and could in
the future kick it with the right natal female, particularly as
I don't have to stick anything in her.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/lipstick-lesbian4x4.jpg




This hits close to home for me, and I have absolutely no
sympathy for pedophiles.

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson may have been talented entertainers,
but molesting children is unconscionable and unforgivable.
Were they found guilty of those accusations?

[peggygee]

Were they found guilty of those accusations?

http://www.arested.com/image/3796968.jpg

M. Jackson, indicted and brought to court twice, admits to Ed Bradley
and the world on 60 Minutes that he doesn't see a problem that he a
grown man sleeps with minors that are not related to him, not to
mention the times that he paid off in civil suits.

1994, 26 year old R. Kelly marries Aaliyah, who is 15 at the time. The
marriage license was falsified to state her age as 18, her parents have
the marriage annulled.

2002, indicted on 21 counts of child pornography stemming from a videotape
that allegedly shows him having sex and peeing on an underage girl.

2003, already awaiting trial on child pornography charges in Chicago, R. Kelly
was arrested Wednesday morning in Miami on additional child porn charges.
Authorities said they found 12 photos of a underage nude girl at the singer's
home.
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To answer your question, no, they were not found guilty in a court of law,
but I know for sure that anyone that cared for their kids would not have
them around either one.

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[roninva]

Do the others think that Natalia and I are just sitting down there and we have to pay some guy to fuck her off camera??? This girl walks down the street and she is like a dick magnet :eek:
PK Vegas

Maybe you should pay them, look top male pornstars get paid for being able to perfomer, and there are black guys that are already doing gay and tranny porn already who don't have performance problems, just hire them and get the scene done. you know they aren't going to work for free and your making a profit off of this already, so break down and hire proven talent to get the job done. stop going the cheap route

[TVSURFER]

To answer your question, no, they were not found guilty in a court of law,
but I know for sure that anyone that cared for their kids would not have
them around either one.

I always thought one was innocent until proven guilty! I guess that is why we all have opinions, although some opinions are like gas to a brushfire! Ignorence is bliss, to some people!
:cool:

[nycguy]

[
To answer your question, no, they were not found guilty in a court of law,
but I know for sure that anyone that cared for their kids would not have
them around either one.

Any parent who cared for their kids should not end up with a 15yr old experienced sex performer!

[peggygee]

I always thought one was innocent until proven guilty! I guess that is why we all have opinions, although some opinions are like gas to a brushfire! Ignorence is bliss, to some people!
:cool:




Any parent who cared for their kids should not end up with a 15yr old experienced sex performer!

Huey of Boondocks sums up my sentiments eloquently:

"What the hell is wrong with you people? Every famous ni&&a that gets arrested is not Nelson Mandela! Yes, the government conspires to put a lot of innocent black men in jail on fallacious charges, but R. Kelly is not one of those men! We all know the ni&&a can sing! But what happened to standards? What happened to bare minimums? You a fan of R. Kelly? You wanna help R. Kelly? Then get some counseling for R. Kelly! Introduce him to some older women. Hide his camcorder... but don't pretend like the man is a hero! ...And stop the damn dancin'! Act like you've got some Goddamn sense, people! Damn! Through playin' around here..."

Just becaue the defendant is Black (OJ, M.Jackson, R.Kelly) doesn't mean that they've been framed and are innocent.

And people who we know are guilty get off all the time due to legal technicalities, hung juries, bribed jurors, etc.

But at least y'all have this, hope ya'll enjoy it, cause this is it, there will be no more.


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[MrLaker]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?

fact is ur just lucking up on the wrong guys.also the mask point would work but mainly for guys who are totall tops and dont care for watching the male talent.Because ive def seen it work in gg/b films and it should not matter what the girl talent feels about the mask this is a job not "wow I get to fuck on cam thing".I dont really care whether the wear a mask or not,I personally wouldnt wear one tho. And to add on many guys black or white dont want to get into films because once your in a film that basically knocks you chances for money anywhere publicly outside of porn down a bunch of notches.

[GroobySteven]

Because ive def seen it work in gg/b films and it should not matter what the girl talent feels about the mask this is a job not "wow I get to fuck on cam thing".

:rolleyes:

Jeez, did you read ANY of the previous posts.
If if you don't care what the girl feels, then you obviously have zero concept of what is involved in making porn.

[Nassau]

if i was a lil slimmer i would perform on cam 4 blacktgirls
I wouldn't care what people had 2 say I'm doin wat I wanna do while they hide themselves

[BigJoeKrash]

... performing on-screen for us?

We have such a hard time getting black male models. I get maybe 10 emails a week from wannabes ... 2-3 respond and if we do actually get one into a shoot, most of the time he can't get hard? I really want to produce black-on-black TS porn but almost every photographer has experienced a worse no-show rate, or the guy turns up and can't get it hard enough to fuck the girl (and if you read the emails they send before hand ... you'd think they could go all night).

PK put out a call last night after 2 performers failed ... on CL looking for 1 black male for a casting call ... he had 50 replies but none of them wanted their faces to appear on camera !?!

So why can't black males get it right on camera?

Yeah I heard of PK's request a little to late, plus I ain't in Vegas. Now I am only speaking for myself. I know all about the idea of people in the background trying to throw guys off their game (Wankus would do it all the time on KSexradio). Its like a game show. You are sitting at home answering the questions before the contestant does and you think...I can do that. Not true!! So talking all that shit at home and you don't get past the first round and all your friends watched the show.

But then there is always the off chance that they were feeling the girl. Now I know Seanchai and PK don't have that problem. I know its business but I remember Wendy Williams arguing with a guy for requesting a certain girl to work with. And I will be honest with you. I don't care how hot a girl is. If we can even be friendly I cant even think about faking it. And I have never been in a movie.


So in Short...Maybe they couldn't handle the PRESSURE...Seancha are you sure Wankus didn't sneak into the shoot?i

[BigJoeKrash]

"What the hell is wrong with you people? Every famous ni&&a that gets arrested is not Nelson Mandela! Yes, the government conspires to put a lot of innocent black men in jail on fallacious charges, but R. Kelly is not one of those men! We all know the ni&&a can sing! But what happened to standards? What happened to bare minimums? You a fan of R. Kelly? You wanna help R. Kelly? Then get some counseling for R. Kelly! Introduce him to some older women. Hide his camcorder... but don't pretend like the man is a hero! ...And stop the damn dancin'! Act like you've got some Goddamn sense, people! Damn! Through playin' around here..."


BOOOOOO!!!! Hey you with Afro, Cut that out! Turn the music back on!!!!