I gotta pay 4play ? 4 u guys

[MrKnockOut]

Ok, so I get it, some guys like to pay for sex and some don't. To each his own.
My question is for those of you who do pay (or even for the pro girls in here).
Are there regional variances in price or is there a standard flat rate that all ts must not go below regardless of location?
For instance, take a ts living in rochester, ny...avg house costs like 75k, rents are around 500 per month, job market aint that strong and $30k a year is a decent middle income. I gotta assume that ts in rochester aren't charging the same half hour to an hour prices as say a ts from los angeles or manhattan. Am I right or wrong?
When (and if) girls travel to cities like pittsburgh, rochester, cleveland, baltimore, oklahoma city, etc., do there prices reflect those of the natives? Or can travelling girls usually get away with charging higher prices than the natives?

[bigdicki]

Ok, so I get it, some guys like to pay for sex and some don't. To each his own.
My question is for those of you who do pay (or even for the pro girls in here).
Are there regional variances in price or is there a standard flat rate that all ts must not go below regardless of location?
For instance, take a ts living in rochester, ny...avg house costs like 75k, rents are around 500 per month, job market aint that strong and $30k a year is a decent middle income. I gotta assume that ts in rochester aren't charging the same half hour to an hour prices as say a ts from los angeles or manhattan. Am I right or wrong?
When (and if) girls travel to cities like pittsburgh, rochester, cleveland, baltimore, oklahoma city, etc., do there prices reflect those of the natives? Or can travelling girls usually get away with charging higher prices than the natives?

I don't do much p4p anymore, but from what I have seen it varies wildly and asking price and necessarily the price she will go for after you negotiate (some superstar girls don't). It does vary by city/area. It also varies by how good the girl looks of course. It even varies on how much she needs bread.

Now if they are travelling, and if they are staying near an airport the price goes up and is higher than the locals. I have had several girls tell me this and seen it myself. The only reason seems to be demand is greater from dudes who are staying out of town and therefore the girls can demand higher prices.

[MrKnockOut]

I don't do much p4p anymore, but from what I have seen it varies wildly and asking price and necessarily the price she will go for after you negotiate (some superstar girls don't). It does vary by city/area. It also varies by how good the girl looks of course. It even varies on how much she needs bread.

Now if they are travelling, and if they are staying near an airport the price goes up and is higher than the locals. I have had several girls tell me this and seen it myself. The only reason seems to be demand is greater from dudes who are staying out of town and therefore the girls can demand higher prices.

cool thanks. i would think that some girls who actually live around the way might try to act like they are from out of town to get higher prices then? that would make sense to me.

[bigdicki]

cool thanks. i would think that some girls who actually live around the way might try to act like they are from out of town to get higher prices then? that would make sense to me.

Smart man... they do. Every time Osha (on the site in member's section) posts on Eros for instance, she says "visiting". She's lived here her entire life.:rolleyes:

[TVSURFER]

Osha, mmmmmm!
:cool:

[MrKnockOut]

Smart man... they do. Every time Osha (on the site in member's section) posts on Eros for instance, she says "visiting". She's lived here her entire life.:rolleyes:

Lofma, that's so lame

[PK Vegas]

It gets really funny here in Vegas. The girls will post on CL and Eros that they are only here for a week . . . but it is their running ad. One girl always posts on CL that it is her last night in town . . . and now that less girls are posting every day because of the price . .. you sometimes see her add for 3 different days all claiming to be her last day in town hahaha

Thanks!

PK Vegas

[DrDickenstein]

It's called business sense aka hustle. Whatever it take to get an edge....I ain't mad. Just countin on the fellas not having the ABILITY or DESIRE to do a lil research and just jump on the hottest ad/photo or whatever....and guess what?? Obviously it working bc it continues to be done. Why fix it if ain't broke...? ;)

[bigdicki]

It gets really funny here in Vegas. The girls will post on CL and Eros that they are only here for a week . . . but it is their running ad. One girl always posts on CL that it is her last night in town . . . and now that less girls are posting every day because of the price . .. you sometimes see her add for 3 different days all claiming to be her last day in town hahaha

Thanks!

PK Vegas

Yea, girls do that here too. When Carmen (aka Brownie) was here she was here for her last 2 days for a week. :rolleyes:


It's called business sense aka hustle. Whatever it take to get an edge....I ain't mad. Just countin on the fellas not having the ABILITY or DESIRE to do a lil research and just jump on the hottest ad/photo or whatever....and guess what?? Obviously it working bc it continues to be done. Why fix it if ain't broke...? ;)

Oh yea, I'm not downing them. If they do that AND back it up with good service like Osha does, its all good. Hell, like I have always said, I appreciate a lot of girls' hustle.

[TVSURFER]

Yea, girls do that here too. When Carmen (aka Brownie) was here she was here for her last 2 days for a week. :rolleyes:



Oh yea, I'm not downing them. If they do that AND back it up with good service like Osha does, its all good. Hell, like I have always said, I appreciate a lot of girls' hustle.

Osha,mmmmmm!:p:p:p
:cool:

[bigdicki]

Osha,mmmmmm!:p:p:p
:cool:

LOL. Silicone injections and a big dick swinging never looked so good. ;)

[DirtySouth]

Ok, so I get it, some guys like to pay for sex and some don't. To each his own.
My question is for those of you who do pay (or even for the pro girls in here).
Are there regional variances in price or is there a standard flat rate that all ts must not go below regardless of location?
For instance, take a ts living in rochester, ny...avg house costs like 75k, rents are around 500 per month, job market aint that strong and $30k a year is a decent middle income. I gotta assume that ts in rochester aren't charging the same half hour to an hour prices as say a ts from los angeles or manhattan. Am I right or wrong?
When (and if) girls travel to cities like pittsburgh, rochester, cleveland, baltimore, oklahoma city, etc., do there prices reflect those of the natives? Or can travelling girls usually get away with charging higher prices than the natives?

I don't think it changes. I think its all based on looks and if you have the resume to back it up. Girls like Yasmin Lee, Jessica Host, etc. come to town and charge $300+ no matter where they go.

Lesser known girls try to charge $200+ but I've seen a lot of them talked out of that very easily for the most part.

Usually a girl will charge what she charges in her home base no matter where she goes. She may take lesser depending on how bad she wants the money or just to get back home.

[MrKnockOut]

I don't think it changes. I think its all based on looks and if you have the resume to back it up. Girls like Yasmin Lee, Jessica Host, etc. come to town and charge $300+ no matter where they go.

Lesser known girls try to charge $200+ but I've seen a lot of them talked out of that very easily for the most part.

Usually a girl will charge what she charges in her home base no matter where she goes. She may take lesser depending on how bad she wants the money or just to get back home.

I could see that happenin for the superstars, supply n demand. I guess it depends on location too. Pittsburgh and l.a. Are worlds apart so I gotta think dudes aren't dropping $300 an hour in the burgh, at least not enuff to justify the end.
Is it a case of chicks waitin for the big fish instead of taking corner sales? Meaning, would girls rather see 3 guys for 900 in a day or would most like to flip 10 cats for 1000?

[MrF]

I'd suppose most escorts would like more money with fewer clients, but it all depends. One girl I met bragged she could cum 10 times a day and was a self-described "freak". And I could attest to that ! Another girl -- rather beautiful, haughty, and too expensive for me -- stated in her ad that she was $250 per hour and would not accept less, except if you sent a pic and she liked your looks, then you could get a discount ! How many GG escorts are like that ?

There's something a little DIFFERENT about TG escorts compared to GG -- anyone familiar with both would have to admit. On the average, a higher sex drive and more likely to enjoy their work.

[crags63]

Times are hard right now for T-girls. In Big City New York the tgirls are taking anything from 80 to 100 for a date. The economy is really bad they are not getting the dates like they used to. The best way to know when one really needs the dough is to call their phone let it ring 2 to 3 times and hang up. When they call you right back its discount time, they haven't had a date all day or what they got is not enough to cover there expenses. You have to admit some of them are nuts to me trying to charge 250 to 300, no one is that fine to spend that amount of dough for a sex act. Well speaking for the middle class hard working dudes. The tgrils always advertise for the elite but how many rich dudes are going to see tgirls in a day.

[carmencream]

Times are hard right now for T-girls. In Big City New York the tgirls are taking anything from 80 to 100 for a date. The economy is really bad they are not getting the dates like they used to. The best way to know when one really needs the dough is to call their phone let it ring 2 to 3 times and hang up. When they call you right back its discount time, they haven't had a date all day or what they got is not enough to cover there expenses. You have to admit some of them are nuts to me trying to charge 250 to 300, no one is that fine to spend that amount of dough for a sex act. Well speaking for the middle class hard working dudes. The tgrils always advertise for the elite but how many rich dudes are going to see tgirls in a day.

Thanks 4 that tip babe I'll remember that 1 lol;) I'll just go home broke

[crags63]

I hear you but for some girls going home broke is not an option. Just for the record I have gotten a deal from time to time but when I was given good service I tipped nicely. It's all about the service, some girls are not feelin you when you walk though the door so service is bad but they still want your hard earned green backs. And I still feel no one is worth 300 to do the nasty and there is always someone that will do it for less alot less. Do you want repeat customers or one time customers. The ones that are reasonably about rates and give good service see me at lease twice per month and they are even on my Christmas list. Hope this tip helps you babe lol.

[carmencream]

I hear you but for some girls going home broke is not an option. Just for the record I have gotten a deal from time to time but when I was given good service I tipped nicely. It's all about the service, some girls are not feelin you when you walk though the door so service is bad but they still want your hard earned green backs. And I still feel no one is worth 300 to do the nasty and there is always someone that will do it for less alot less. Do you want repeat customers or one time customers. The ones that are reasonably about rates and give good service see me at lease twice per month and they are even on my Christmas list. Hope this tip helps you babe lol.

LOL I was just kidding babe I understand and know all the games and I always give it my all but times are hard and everyone is feeling it you gotta help the guys out sometimes so the girls don't mind lowering the rates within reason but I never have probs in ny my baby lives there :p

[MrF]

I would like to add that if you go, don't be cheap. It's insulting and doesn't make for good vibes. If the economy has you by the balls, then just go less often.

Girls I've seen often call me, rather than the other way around. They leave little messages like "I haven't seen you for awhile. I miss you." etc. I've gotten used to it, so I'm not annoyed. It used to bother me, like I was letting them down by not seeing them for N months. But with hard times everyone just has to understand.

Christmas is coming. Be generous and thoughtful. :) :D

[TVSURFER]

Girls I've seen often call me, rather than the other way around. They leave little messages like "I haven't seen you for awhile. I miss you." etc.
:) :D
Hey Doc Dickenstein and nycguy, does that sound familiar or what? A brutha's got to have a plan!;) No sweat on you MrF.
:cool:

[MrKnockOut]

I would like to add that if you go, don't be cheap. It's insulting and doesn't make for good vibes. If the economy has you by the balls, then just go less often.

Girls I've seen often call me, rather than the other way around. They leave little messages like "I haven't seen you for awhile. I miss you." etc. I've gotten used to it, so I'm not annoyed. It used to bother me, like I was letting them down by not seeing them for N months. But with hard times everyone just has to understand.

Christmas is coming. Be generous and thoughtful. :) :D

This is why I tell a few girls I know, treat it as a side hustle, not a job.
Escorting should be about getting additional income on top of a 9 to 5 or 6 to 12 job...or as an ends to a mean to open up your own carry out, club, hair salon, etc.

[peggygee]

And I could attest to that ! Another girl -- rather beautiful, haughty, and too expensive for me -- stated in her ad that she was $250 per hour and would not accept less, except if you sent a pic and she liked your looks, then you could get a discount ! How many GG escorts are like that ?



Not sure if that's a good business strategy or work ethic, sure she might give
a discount for a regular or for promotional purposes.

But cause he's "fione", is not good business practice. :eek:

[bigdicki]

Not sure if that's a good business strategy or work ethic, sure she might give
a discount for a regular or for promotional purposes.

But cause he's "fione", is not good business practice. :eek:

And we all know 99% of the escort population are EXCELLENT businesswomen. :rolleyes::D

[peggygee]

And we all know 99% of the escort population are EXCELLENT businesswomen. :rolleyes::D

True dat, what was I thinking.

I must have been having a blonde moment.

:D

[DirtySouth]

This is why I tell a few girls I know, treat it as a side hustle, not a job.
Escorting should be about getting additional income on top of a 9 to 5 or 6 to 12 job...or as an ends to a mean to open up your own carry out, club, hair salon, etc.


How many actually do that though?

...and to those that do, additional income to what exactly? A job?

It's reality. Most girls don't have the drive to do that and they don't want a boss. They will escort until the wheels fall off. Regardless of that, a few out of the majority have aspirations to do better but that doesn't mean society will let them. I do agree that TS girls (especially black) experience discrimination when trying to get a mainstream job, so they revert to more self employed endeavors - escorting, cosmetology, etc. I can't blame them for not taking it as a side hustle. For some, its their only way to make money.

But there are other factors....

True story and I can vouch for it all day. Years ago, I met a t-girl that was actually in college. Not one of the usual girls who say that as a front, I mean I've been to the dorm she stayed in, saw her graduate, the degree and everything. She had a rare opportunity to excel in the "real" world and not fall into the vices of prostitution and so on. She graduated and became a music teacher.

So.... not a year after she graduated, she felt the need to be around other tgirls - opposed to having been around college females for years (whom excepted her graciously might I add). The tgirls she started hanging with put negative thoughts in her head that she couldn't make it in the real world and before long, she had an eros add up and eventually lost focus of her job/goals for that lifestyle. This was a key example of a girl who "made it" and was dragged into the life just to fit in with others like her.

If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals.

So what I'm saying is, there are a plethora of factors that may put girls into 24-7 escort mode.

1.) Some girls just decide they want to be escorts.

2.) Others may take escorting as a career because they don't want to work harder for a different lifestyle.

3.) Some girls will excel and may experience the crabs-in-the-barrel effect and loose focus.

4.) Some will try to excel and be shot down because they aren't passable or whatever to blend into the corporate workplace.

5.) Some will excel and the odds that most of us on this board will ever meet the ones that do and blend in, will be slim to none lol. Do you think you'd meet a Spellman alumni w/ a corporate job on the forums of BrownandRound.com?.....

I'm very long winded on these types of issues. There are girls out there that have entirely different perspectives/experiences of the world. If that's really what you want, we as men have to change our environment to obtain that....

.....but instructing a TS escort on how they should treat their career choices is futile, even though you have the best intentions and I think you do. I've did it for years.

[bigdicki]

"If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals."
Truer words have never been spoken. Now if we can get not just tgirls, but peeps in the hood and on the block that, we (meaning Black folks) will have gotten somewhere.

[DirtySouth]

"If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals."
Truer words have never been spoken. Now if we can get not just tgirls, but peeps in the hood and on the block that, we (meaning Black folks) will have gotten somewhere.

That's true. The problems I explained are about our people as a whole, not just the transgendered community. The lesson can be applied to all people, not just african american, but in this instance we're keeping it in perspective to where we are now -Black-Tgirls.com

That message is to the guys and gals. This is how I see it:

TS Women: If you have problems finding/keeping good men, you have to put yourself around people or the environments that are acceptable. Change your lifestyle, get out of escorting if you want to have a meaningful relationship for the long term. If all you are meeting are unemployed, self serving and/or married men.....I'd assume its your profession that draws them. I am a firm believer that you cannot have both. There is nothing wrong with choosing to be an escort IMO. There is something wrong with holding others to a double standard while you handle your business on the side. You can turn it off, your man should not be expected to. Be happy with what you do and stop blaming men for what you lack in life.

TS Admirers: Stop trying to make hoes into housewives. Stop telling these girls you want to be with 'em romantically, then bounce on them once you get the ass. You can get what you want without the cloak and dagger moves. If she has Eros ads up, its silly to try to tell her how to run her business or to take her out of the game. If she wants to get out, she doesn't need you to do it for her. If she could be managed, there would be tranny pimps out there. My advice to men, just be more upfront about what you want and be realistic about what you can get long term.


These are just my opinions, no one has to follow them per se. I just think that if BOTH TS and Admirers were more honest with each other, it wouldnt be so hard to date.

[bigdicki]

That's true. The problems I explained are about our people as a whole, not just the transgendered community. The lesson can be applied to all people, not just african american, but in this instance we're keeping it in perspective to where we are now -Black-Tgirls.com

That message is to the guys and gals. This is how I see it:

TS Women: If you have problems finding/keeping good men, you have to put yourself around people or the environments that are acceptable. Change your lifestyle, get out of escorting if you want to have a meaningful relationship for the long term. If all you are meeting are unemployed, self serving and/or married men.....I'd assume its your profession that draws them. I am a firm believer that you cannot have both. There is nothing wrong with choosing to be an escort IMO. There is something wrong with holding others to a double standard while you handle your business on the side. You can turn it off, your man should not be expected to. Be happy with what you do and stop blaming men for what you lack in life.

TS Admirers: Stop trying to make hoes into housewives. Stop telling these girls you want to be with 'em romantically, then bounce on them once you get the ass. You can get what you want without the cloak and dagger moves. If she has Eros ads up, its silly to try to tell her how to run her business or to take her out of the game. If she wants to get out, she doesn't need you to do it for her. If she could be managed, there would be tranny pimps out there. My advice to men, just be more upfront about what you want and be realistic about what you can get long term.


These are just my opinions, no one has to follow them per se. I just think that if BOTH TS and Admirers were more honest with each other, it wouldnt be so hard to date.

Cosigned to the nth degree. Can I get an Amen?!!

[MrKnockOut]

How many actually do that though?

...and to those that do, additional income to what exactly? A job?

It's reality. Most girls don't have the drive to do that and they don't want a boss. They will escort until the wheels fall off. Regardless of that, a few out of the majority have aspirations to do better but that doesn't mean society will let them. I do agree that TS girls (especially black) experience discrimination when trying to get a mainstream job, so they revert to more self employed endeavors - escorting, cosmetology, etc. I can't blame them for not taking it as a side hustle. For some, its their only way to make money.

But there are other factors....

True story and I can vouch for it all day. Years ago, I met a t-girl that was actually in college. Not one of the usual girls who say that as a front, I mean I've been to the dorm she stayed in, saw her graduate, the degree and everything. She had a rare opportunity to excel in the "real" world and not fall into the vices of prostitution and so on. She graduated and became a music teacher.

So.... not a year after she graduated, she felt the need to be around other tgirls - opposed to having been around college females for years (whom excepted her graciously might I add). The tgirls she started hanging with put negative thoughts in her head that she couldn't make it in the real world and before long, she had an eros add up and eventually lost focus of her job/goals for that lifestyle. This was a key example of a girl who "made it" and was dragged into the life just to fit in with others like her.

If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals.

So what I'm saying is, there are a plethora of factors that may put girls into 24-7 escort mode.

1.) Some girls just decide they want to be escorts.

2.) Others may take escorting as a career because they don't want to work harder for a different lifestyle.

3.) Some girls will excel and may experience the crabs-in-the-barrel effect and loose focus.

4.) Some will try to excel and be shot down because they aren't passable or whatever to blend into the corporate workplace.

5.) Some will excel and the odds that most of us on this board will ever meet the ones that do and blend in, will be slim to none lol. Do you think you'd meet a Spellman alumni w/ a corporate job on the forums of BrownandRound.com?.....

I'm very long winded on these types of issues. There are girls out there that have entirely different perspectives/experiences of the world. If that's really what you want, we as men have to change our environment to obtain that....

.....but instructing a TS escort on how they should treat their career choices is futile, even though you have the best intentions and I think you do. I've did it for years.


I knew a supersmart girl (t) from Baltimore that moved to atlanta for college whose story is exactly like you mentioned. We might be talking about the same girl. When I say smart, I mean book smart out the ass. Fluent in 3 languages. Everything. Had a real job making decent money. Yet sadly, she felt the need to be around her "sisters" and do the same dumb stupid shit they are doing. SMH

[TurboMan]

that's True. The Problems I Explained Are About Our People As A Whole, Not Just The Transgendered Community. The Lesson Can Be Applied To All People, Not Just African American, But In This Instance We're Keeping It In Perspective To Where We Are Now -black-tgirls.com

That Message Is To The Guys And Gals. This Is How I See It:

ts Women: If You Have Problems Finding/keeping Good Men, You Have To Put Yourself Around People Or The Environments That Are Acceptable. Change Your Lifestyle, Get Out Of Escorting If You Want To Have A Meaningful Relationship For The Long Term. If All You Are Meeting Are Unemployed, Self Serving And/or Married Men.....i'd Assume Its Your Profession That Draws Them. I Am A Firm Believer That You Cannot Have Both. there Is Nothing Wrong With Choosing To Be An Escort Imo. There Is Something Wrong With Holding Others To A Double Standard While You Handle Your Business On The Side. You Can Turn It Off, Your Man Should Not Be Expected To. be Happy With What You Do And Stop Blaming Men For What You Lack In Life.

ts Admirers: Stop Trying To Make Hoes Into Housewives. Stop Telling These Girls You Want To Be With 'em Romantically, Then Bounce On Them Once You Get The Ass. You Can Get What You Want Without The Cloak And Dagger Moves. If She Has Eros Ads Up, Its Silly To Try To Tell Her How To Run Her Business Or To Take Her Out Of The Game. If She Wants To Get Out, She Doesn't Need You To Do It For Her. If She Could Be Managed, There Would Be Tranny Pimps Out There. My Advice To Men, Just Be More Upfront About What You Want And Be Realistic About What You Can Get Long Term.


These Are Just My Opinions, No One Has To Follow Them Per Se. I Just Think That If Both Ts And Admirers Were More Honest With Each Other, It Wouldnt Be So Hard To Date.

Hey Dirty....you Said A Mouth Full...true Dat!!

[DirtySouth]

Hey Dirty....you Said A Mouth Full...true Dat!!

Thanks. I try to educate. That's all yall get for free! :D

[TurboMan]

thanks. I Try To Educate. That's All Yall Get For Free! :d

I'll Have To Say Thanks To You Because You're One Of The Few On This Forum That Keep It On The Real..when I First Joined This Site ..i Was Lost...damn Right I've Been Educated...and Still Learning...don't Have To Call Out Names...they Know Who They Are. Keep Up The Good Work Ya'll.

[peggygee]

How many actually do that though?

...and to those that do, additional income to what exactly? A job?

It's reality. Most girls don't have the drive to do that and they don't want a boss. They will escort until the wheels fall off. Regardless of that, a few out of the majority have aspirations to do better but that doesn't mean society will let them. I do agree that TS girls (especially black) experience discrimination when trying to get a mainstream job, so they revert to more self employed endeavors - escorting, cosmetology, etc. I can't blame them for not taking it as a side hustle. For some, its their only way to make money.

But there are other factors....

True story and I can vouch for it all day. Years ago, I met a t-girl that was actually in college. Not one of the usual girls who say that as a front, I mean I've been to the dorm she stayed in, saw her graduate, the degree and everything. She had a rare opportunity to excel in the "real" world and not fall into the vices of prostitution and so on. She graduated and became a music teacher.

So.... not a year after she graduated, she felt the need to be around other tgirls - opposed to having been around college females for years (whom excepted her graciously might I add). The tgirls she started hanging with put negative thoughts in her head that she couldn't make it in the real world and before long, she had an eros add up and eventually lost focus of her job/goals for that lifestyle. This was a key example of a girl who "made it" and was dragged into the life just to fit in with others like her.

If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals.

So what I'm saying is, there are a plethora of factors that may put girls into 24-7 escort mode.

1.) Some girls just decide they want to be escorts.

2.) Others may take escorting as a career because they don't want to work harder for a different lifestyle.

3.) Some girls will excel and may experience the crabs-in-the-barrel effect and loose focus.

4.) Some will try to excel and be shot down because they aren't passable or whatever to blend into the corporate workplace.

5.) Some will excel and the odds that most of us on this board will ever meet the ones that do and blend in, will be slim to none lol. Do you think you'd meet a Spellman alumni w/ a corporate job on the forums of BrownandRound.com?.....

I'm very long winded on these types of issues. There are girls out there that have entirely different perspectives/experiences of the world. If that's really what you want, we as men have to change our environment to obtain that....

.....but instructing a TS escort on how they should treat their career choices is futile, even though you have the best intentions and I think you do. I've did it for years.

An excellent post, I hope that the women as well as the men get to read it.

I like to feel that I am not an enigma, that there are many other women like me.

I am a Black woman who is educated, degreed, and work in corporate America.
I have never allowed the demographics of being Black, a woman, or trans,
keep me from achieving any of my goals, and I transitioned way before there
was any trans legislation to protect or the Internet to guide me.

People in the real world, and online that know me, often ask why do I post on
sites like this, ones that are porn oriented. After all "When you dance with
the Devil, He doesn't change. He changes you", as was illustrated by Dirty
South's story of the woman who left corporate America to escort.

And by no means is this a condemnation of the sex trade, I do not feel that
porn or escorting is morally or ethically wrong, but rather I wish that
transwomen would know that they are capable of working in any occupation
they choose.

In churches that I belong to, I prefer those that do outreach and missionary
work. I prefer ones that aren't just preaching to the choir.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/blackchoir.jpg

Yes this is a porn forum, but sometimes it is the only resource that some
women, and most men will ever have on transsexuality, and I would hope
that both genders will realize that transwomen are capable of doing anything
they set their minds to.

[DirtySouth]

An excellent post, I hope that the women as well as the men get to read it.

I like to feel that I am not an enigma, that there are many other women like me.

I am a Black woman who is educated, degreed, and work in corporate America.
I have never allowed the demographics of being Black, a woman, or trans,
keep me from achieving any of my goals, and I transitioned way before there
was any trans legislation to protect or the Internet to guide me.

People in the real world, and online that know me, often ask why do I post on
sites like this, ones that are porn oriented. After all "When you dance with
the Devil, He doesn't change. He changes you", as was illustrated by Dirty
South's story of the woman who left corporate America to escort.

And by no means is this a condemnation of the sex trade, I do not feel that
porn or escorting is morally or ethically wrong, but rather I wish that
transwomen would know that they are capable of working in any occupation
they choose.

In churches that I belong to, I prefer those that do outreach and missionary
work. I prefer ones that aren't just preaching to the choir.

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Yes this is a porn forum, but sometimes it is the only resource that some
women, and most men will ever have on transsexuality, and I would hope
that both genders will realize that transwomen are capable of doing anything
they set their minds to.

Thanks. You make a very good point also and have a rare way of thinking. You acknowledge that the TS community needs to take responsibility for their choices and not blame their shortcomings in society on everyone else.

You are totally right about the forums. There are very few places you can go to voice your opinion as a TS. I would like to get more TS on here, (escorts/entertaners and other walks of life) that can debate an issue seriously without pointing the finger at everyone but themselves or living in barbie land, thinking they are perfect beings.

I doubt any of these girls grew up thinking "I wanna be an escort when I grow up!". Anybody is capable of doing anything they set their minds to. I love the sex industry, don't get me wrong, but it's too many girls running around here blaming the industry and tainting it rather than living up to their own mistakes. We all experience discrimination in some way as we try to come up, but its those of us who really shine that don't take the discrimination as a crutch to explain our set backs in life.