Black Transsexuals are Finally Breaking Through!!

[vidman]

It's so good to see that more of the bigger name DVD production companies are realizing that Black Transsexuals are beautiful and are growing in popularity. Those of us who have been members of BTG's site know how sexy Black Transsexuals are and how much talent these young ladies have. It's about time that the larger companies recognize what we already know. Just in the past few months, there have been more Black Transsexuals on the front cover of major titles. Not only that, but companies, like Evil Angel, are starting to give an entire series to Black Transsexuals. I think this is a start in the right direction and I feel that in the near future, more companies will realize the earning potential and talent these American black t-girls possess.

Congrats to the beautiful Black girls for not giving up on being recognized and realized for being the beautiful women that you are. Big big thanks and recognition to Seanchai/Grooby for realizing a long time ago that these girls are stars and have amazing potential. I've been a member on this site for at least 10 years and it has only gotten better. I knew a lot of these girls before they became talked about on this site. Now lots of them are big names. Katie Coxx? Been knowing her before she was "Katie Coxx." Victoria Porshe? I was there for her when her Mom passed away. Sheeba? Used to see her in Lenox Mall in Atlanta all the time before we began knowing her as "Sheeba" on this site. BTG has provided an outlet for the girls and I appreciate it. Thanks again Seanchai for promoting and giving these girls opportunities to pursue their goals in a world that doesn't want to recognize these girls for even being human sometimes. Girls, in the words of Big Reub from Outkast, "......take your existence or die like a punk." You girls have chosen to make people realize that you exist. Keep up the good work.

[onone]

Personally I don't appreciate this sort of energy. What I mean by that is the constant pursuit of recognition and validation by anyone outside of yourself. We also see black females do the same thing with patting themselves on the back for "finally" being able to get jobs and opportunities in "mainstream." I hope this same sort of energy will not become prevalent amongst black tgirls. Black tgirls always did their own thing like voguing, ball scene, unique language, and said "fuck everybody that can't get down with us, we don't need your recognition!"

[kittymatthews]

as much as I love porn and sex, gotta say, sorta sad that this is considered "black tgirls breaking through"

[vidman]

as much as I love porn and sex, gotta say, sorta sad that this is considered "black tgirls breaking through"

I was speaking strictly concerning the industry. Not other aspects of their lives but only as far as the industry goes, they are finally getting some big production exposure. Sorry, I shoulda been a bit more explanatory.

[dion1122]

I've seen a lot of them lately. I guess it is their time to shine. :) The numbers of black transexuals are increasing more and more each year.

[Ms Remy M]

Personally I don't appreciate this sort of energy. What I mean by that is the constant pursuit of recognition and validation by anyone outside of yourself. We also see black females do the same thing with patting themselves on the back for "finally" being able to get jobs and opportunities in "mainstream." I hope this same sort of energy will not become prevalent amongst black tgirls. Black tgirls always did their own thing like voguing, ball scene, unique language, and said "fuck everybody that can't get down with us, we don't need your recognition!"

I see what you are getting at, but surely the ball scene is also a "...constant pursuit of recognition and validation by anyone outside of yourself." :cool:


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[raheme]

as much as I love porn and sex, gotta say, sorta sad that this is considered "black tgirls breaking through"

I agree. Kinda weird for them to post this as a breakthrough.

[kittymatthews]

Yeah true that.

I dont wanna get on a soap box here, but as you guys know im an exhibitionist and i like sex and i love porn BUT you guys have to undersatnd that, as a trans woman, a lot of the times, we are lead to believe that working in the sex industry is our one and only option. We live in a world where that seems to be the only thing people will pay us for. Flipping burgers is out of the qusetion when you're a transsexual. Not gonna mention names, but i think it's a little sad how people can prey on transsexual women. I've had a few people try to convince me to go down certain avenues and it's not the work I was looking down on as much as the way they thought they could say a few flashy things and offer me money and i'd fall for it. Sad truth about this industry is it's not really something you can truly get out of. I've seen a lot of girls go from gogo girls to porn stars to hookers to jack of all trades. A true "break through" would be a black transsexual woman running a business that had nothing to do with sex. Those are the images and the qualities we should be pushing. Black transsexuals gaining noteritiey in the porn industry is great and all, but Im waiting to see a black tgirl do something awesome that has nothing to do with sex.

Just saying.

[onone]

A true "break through" would be a black transsexual woman running a business that had nothing to do with sex.

You can do both. Tons of current and ex prostitutes own hair salons, day cares, and rental properties.

[TurboMan]

Yeah true that.

I dont wanna get on a soap box here, but as you guys know im an exhibitionist and i like sex and i love porn BUT you guys have to undersatnd that, as a trans woman, a lot of the times, we are lead to believe that working in the sex industry is our one and only option. We live in a world where that seems to be the only thing people will pay us for. Flipping burgers is out of the qusetion when you're a transsexual. Not gonna mention names, but i think it's a little sad how people can prey on transsexual women. I've had a few people try to convince me to go down certain avenues and it's not the work I was looking down on as much as the way they thought they could say a few flashy things and offer me money and i'd fall for it. Sad truth about this industry is it's not really something you can truly get out of. I've seen a lot of girls go from gogo girls to porn stars to hookers to jack of all trades. A true "break through" would be a black transsexual woman running a business that had nothing to do with sex. Those are the images and the qualities we should be pushing. Black transsexuals gaining noteritiey in the porn industry is great and all, but Im waiting to see a black tgirl do something awesome that has nothing to do with sex.

Just saying.

Good point Kitty.

[vidman]

Again....I was only speaking in terms of the industry. Even so, the industry can also be used as a catapult to do good things. I know a young lady who used the money from the industry to go to school. She graduated from Auburn University with a BS in Business. She also received her Masters in Finance FROM AUBURN. She now works for a private investment company here in Atlanta. She is a private portfolio manager and makes well into 6 figures a year. She has her own condo and BMW. So the industry is not all bad. It can be used as a spring board to achieve greater heights. But in terms of my original post that started this thread......I WAS ONLY SPEAKING IN TERMS OF BLACK T-GIRLS "BREAKING THROUGH" THE INDUSTRY. Look, when I first got into transsexuals 12 years ago, you couldn't go to the porn store and find a black t-girl video anywhere. It was all movies with white transsexuals and a few foreign transsexuals who looked mixed at best (Vo DeBalm). Now, when I go to the store, the shelves are inundated with Black Tranny Whackers and Madison's BigDickBitch Videos. All I'm saying is that sometimes progression, in any form, can be good. It depends on how you use it to your advantage.

Oh yeah, and Turbo, you're a cool dude but you never elaborate on anything. You always just say "good point." How bout you open up and let people know what's going on in your brain. I'd like to hear your views on issues of substance. Not just "good point." I haven't really read anything that you've posted that made for good debate or good conversation. Are you just here to cheerlead and look at the girls, or do you have issues that are pertinent that you would like to discuss. Don't get me wrong homie, I am definitely here to look at the girls too, but come on man, contribute to the forum a little. I know you have good information to share. Let's hear.:o

[godivatgirls]

Personally I don't appreciate this sort of energy. What I mean by that is the constant pursuit of recognition and validation by anyone outside of yourself. We also see black females do the same thing with patting themselves on the back for "finally" being able to get jobs and opportunities in "mainstream." I hope this same sort of energy will not become prevalent amongst black tgirls. Black tgirls always did their own thing like voguing, ball scene, unique language, and said "fuck everybody that can't get down with us, we don't need your recognition!"

I totally agree man... must stay unique.....

[kittymatthews]

You can do both. Tons of current and ex prostitutes own hair salons, day cares, and rental properties.

That's great and I totally respect that, but none of those things are 'breaking through". Hearing about a tgirl who does hair isn't uncommon.

vidman: but see, it shouldn't have to be that way. I shouldn't have to feel like I have to show my ass or have sex to make money to pay for school or catapult me to sucess. We should be able to have the same oppurtunities that other people have when it comes to getting a decent job. I spent all summer looking for a job and the only people that wanted to hire me were grooby. It shouldn't be that way. As a trans attracted man its probably hard for you to totally understand this, but when you're told every day that all you're worth is some ass... come on. This may not be a duanting idea for you, but imagine if the only way you could make money was to constantly model for porn sites and turn tricks. Even in the small time i've worked on tgirlcams, i've realized that it takes a lot of work to model and it's sorta exhausting. lol.

Transsesexual breaking through SHOULD be them breaking through in a significant way and gaining notoriety without having to sell their ass.


I dont want to hijack your thread, i just can't help but feel a little sad that this is the best that transsexual woman can do.That this is breaking out into the industry. That being a porn star somehow makes you something.

[Ms Remy M]

That's great and I totally respect that, but none of those things are 'breaking through". Hearing about a tgirl who does hair isn't uncommon.

vidman: but see, it shouldn't have to be that way. I shouldn't have to feel like I have to show my ass or have sex to make money to pay for school or catapult me to sucess. We should be able to have the same oppurtunities that other people have when it comes to getting a decent job. I spent all summer looking for a job and the only people that wanted to hire me were grooby. It shouldn't be that way. As a trans attracted man its probably hard for you to totally understand this, but when you're told every day that all you're worth is some ass... come on. This may not be a duanting idea for you, but imagine if the only way you could make money was to constantly model for porn sites and turn tricks. Even in the small time i've worked on tgirlcams, i've realized that it takes a lot of work to model and it's sorta exhausting. lol.

Transsesexual breaking through SHOULD be them breaking through in a significant way and gaining notoriety without having to sell their ass.


I dont want to hijack your thread, i just can't help but feel a little sad that this is the best that transsexual woman can do.That this is breaking out into the industry. That being a porn star somehow makes you something.

Everybody has an opinion. :rolleyes: This is a "breakthrough" for each girl appearing on a dvd cover, and congratulations to all the performers appearing on the dvds as well. Isn't this at least a little bit similar to the Five Heartbeats situation?


That being a porn star somehow makes you something.

Everybody is "somebody" regardless of their chosen profession. Be they a porn star, an entreprenuer, a stay at home mom/dad, a student, whatever, we are all somebody. Sure we have had a black President, and one day we'll have a black tgirl President too :) Right now, these beautiful and talented ladies have their dvd covers along with a world of salivating fans, :) but also so much more. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't care for the over-sensationalism of people that modern media portrays. I don't keep up with celebs lives or think you should be famous for having 15mins of attention. We do need more writers, medical professionals, inventors, etc. Still, "Onone" point "You can do both. Tons of current and ex prostitutes own hair salons, day cares, and rental properties." is very valid. We take the steps we can in life though, and it takes a special person to look down on a black tgirl for using the opportunity she has to spring board to something else, and the saddest part is other trans looking down on her peers. At the end of the day, c'est la vie. Do you and what makes you happy, let your goals and ambitions drive you to set an example. :cool:


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[kittymatthews]

Dont get me wrong, i am not judging these girls at all. Not at all. What i'm looking at is more the situation and reality of the sort of world we live in. I dont think it's fair for any group to be marginalized and only recognized for the sex they can offer. I dont look down on these girls at all. i wouldn't be here if I did. Alls I'm saying is that we should really be trying to do other things instead of settle for porn.

Perhaps itsin the industry I"m trying to get into, but I just dont see how i would be able to do porn and still pursue a carrer in film. Especially witht he companies i want to work for. And we all know the sex industry is more lucrative than a lot of other jobs.

i dunno, i guess it's just like... i have some friends and they have so much promise and so many things going for them, but they've settled for porn or prostitution and it's at the point where they think this is all they can do with their lives. I dunno, i just think its sad that often we're lead to feel like this is our only option. That's all.


And also, i'd like to add that as much as I love porn I sometimes feel it hurts more than helps. By continuing to perpetuate this cycle of
young girl starts transition
young girl needs money
young girl approached by talent scout
young girl is entered into the sex industry
young girl either stays or gets out.
can't possibly be helpful to furthering transgendered equality and recognition.

if every man who purchased a transsexual porn DVD gave a tgirl a non sexual no exploitive job, the world would be a lot different for trans women.

[Ms Remy M]

I hear what you are saying, and I agree, and appreciate the clarification.

Of course, some without the opportunities we offer would be worse off. I'm glad I'm here offering the girls safe, legal money to make in a comfortable environment where they aren't forced to do anything they don't want to do, just to make some money to pay bills or whatever. With clients, you never truly know if you'll make it out alive, and that's really scary. How many bodies have they found now from this serial killer in ny/nj, 10?


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[kittymatthews]

exactally. We shouldn't be doing this to ourselves and we shouldn't feel like we HAVE to do it to ourselves.

And dont get me wrong, i'm all about capitalizing on men's fetishes. lol.

[onone]

That's great and I totally respect that, but none of those things are 'breaking through". Hearing about a tgirl who does hair isn't uncommon.


Transsesexual breaking through SHOULD be them breaking through in a significant way and gaining notoriety without having to sell their ass.


Oh, most people aren't trying to be pioneers with how they get money, most people just want the money. It seems like you'd be more satisfied being the first transgendered elected official making $90,000 per year rather than being an entrepreneur that simply meets the needs of a given community making $200,000 per. I had a friend in High School that first introduced me to that concept. He admitted to rather being employed by a major pharmaceutical company than just simply owning his own business. It wasn't about the "stability" of the pharm company, but rather the "prestige" it would afford him whenever he told people what he did for a living. There's a bit of validation there that some people need, and others can do without. The "merchant class" historically is well respect and very powerful, but today it seems like the idea of the "professional" has taken over in the minds of some.

[kittymatthews]

Wrong.

I'd honestly be more comfortable telling someone i worked at McDonalds than saying i was a porn star. lol. But that's just me. to me it's not about money.

See, as a trans attracted man you dont understand the situations we're put into. Doing porn does offer stability. However, there are plenty of people in this world who can find stable jobs without having to do pornography or turn tricks. However, with transsexuals, often times this is one of our only options for stable employment. The world shouldn't be like that

it's not about being recognized for greatneess, but rather, being able to work a job that doesn't demand sexual exploitation.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? it is very hard being hired as a transgendered person. Jobs that highlight or exploit our gender are often with sexual undertones. And i'm not judging the industry at all, but rather, the situation it creates for transgendered women. I don't look down on the industry at all. I just wish that getting regonition as a trans woman would be for something more that porn or turning tricks. Something that other young trans girls can look up to and say "wow, i want to do that".


Do you get that?

And being the top porn star (and again, i'm not judging them) only encourages tgirls do perpetuation the hypersexualized sterotype of transsexual women. And generally, people aren't going to be willing to recognize sex workers as people deserving of rights.

[onone]

You're a hypocrite. Normally that may not hurt a person financially, but in your case your hypocrisy places a limitation on how successful you will allow yourself to become in the sex industry. You currently work in the sex industry. You do cam shows right? Yet you want to be a role model for other transgendered people. The fact is, if you become really big in that lane one day, those cam shows of you jacking off and showing your booty hole are going to surface. You are already part of the sex industry PUBLICLY. There are prostitutes that have done all kinds of shit for boat loads of money that during the process never was photographed, recorded on video, or arrested. So these current or ex prostitutes can at least deny their involvement in the sex industry if they one day want to be a hypocritical about it like "I never had to sell my body to own all of these businesses I own.:mad:" Yeah okay... But I know how this goes, you can always portray yourself as being an "exploited victim," say that you have since found Jesus or something like that...

[kittymatthews]

You're a hypocrite. Normally that may not hurt a person financially, but in your case your hypocrisy places a limitation on how successful you will allow yourself to become in the sex industry. You currently work in the sex industry. You do cam shows right? Yet you want to be a role model for other transgendered people. The fact is, if you become really big in that lane one day, those cam shows of you jacking off and showing your booty hole are going to surface. You are already part of the sex industry PUBLICLY. There are prostitutes that have done all kinds of shit for boat loads of money that during the process never was photographed, recorded on video, or arrested. So these current or ex prostitutes can at least deny their involvement in the sex industry if they one day want to be a hypocritical about it like "I never had to sell my body to own all of these businesses I own.:mad:" Yeah okay... But I know how this goes, you can always portray yourself as being an "exploited victim," say that you have since found Jesus or something like that...
lol.

See I knew you'd say that.

To me, web cam modeling is a lot different than a lot of other things I can do. I have a lot more control over my own image when i'm modeling for tgirl-cams. I do not distribute recorded videos and I do not do anything for anyone who doesn't pay. I feel like webcam shows (which i've been doing for free for YEARS) aren't an effective way to get recognized within the industry. I dont view my feelings as hypocritical because I am currently attending school and I plan on pursuing an actual carrer in the major I go to school for. Porn will never be a priority of mine. Sure it's what i'm doing now becuase I need money. But see, it's not like I haven't put time and effort into finding working. Simple fact is no one wants to hire a transsexual woman. If I could find work some other way I'd do that in a heart beat, but I simply cannot.

I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said I wanted to be a role model. Never. I have no clue where you get that impression. I just dont want MY worth and my life to be porn and exploitation. I do not victimize myself. I view it as (as I said before) capitalizing on a man's fetish. BUt the fact that this is, seemingly the only way for me to earn income, is, at it's very essence, a sad statement for the the condition of the society we live in. Not because i view what I do as wholely negative but rather because i should be able to make money flipping burgers and waitressing, as opposed to getting naked.

I think there is a big difference between being a web cam model and modeling for black tgirls. I'll be straight up and down honest with you right now. If you guys ever see me modeling on blacktgirls, just assume something really serious happened in my life and I needed money and i needed it badly. That's not anything against the site, it's more of that the amount of exposure i get as a webcam model on tgirl cams is not at all similar to the amount of exposure if i were modeling for this website.

The difference between me and a lot of girls who i've met is that I go to school. Now, this isn't me trying to sound better than someone so please dont accuse me of that. I just haven't met very many transseuxal women who are going to school with the intent of pursuing a specific carrer. And that alone should be a red flag.

How is it hypocritical for me to want transsexual women to have jobs that are outside of the sex industry? Do you think these are jobs we should simply accept as a reality and deal with? I'm not looking down on them at all. I'm simply saying the lack of options we seem to have is alarming. Why you dont see that is astounding to me. Perhaps you're one of those men who just cant see trans women as people. I dont know, I mean, i just dont get what's so unnerving about wanting trans women to be recognized for something more than selling ass. SEriously, please clarify this for me.

Do you believe that we should continue to perpetuate the feeling that the sex industry is the only place trans women can seek employment?

[GroobySteven]

Do you believe that we should continue to perpetuate the feeling that the sex industry is the only place trans women can seek employment?

No absolutely not and I know 100's of transwomen working in all walks of life from politicians, teachers, finance, systems through to every day, main street jobs.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT - you are working in the sex industry and you are hypocritical. Working on a cam is no different to modeling for a site, in principle - you are selling your transgenderism for the price which you feel acceptable. Furthermore, you are taking advantage of a website forum which specializes in black transsexual erotica & it's members, to further the sales on that cam. Once you've put yourself on that cam you have no control over your image - I hope you appreciate that there are people who specifically go onto cams to record the shows (an easy bit of software), swap them, post on collectors/tube sites etc. They are out there.

I have no problem with girls not wanting to work on the site whatsover, that is their prerogative. We have many models with dreams and aspirations for the future and I wish them all well and I know many girls who simply don't want to work in the adult industry. However, you are perpetuating the myth that "trannies work in porn only" as you made the decision to work already in adult. I don't believe you could not find ANY job - I believe you couldn't find one which paid you what you needed for the work put in/or the type of work it was, compared to working on a cam, taking your clothers and using your transgenderism to make money. All power to you - but you are what you are, a transgender working in the adult industry.

[GroobySteven]

PS - I've advised 100's of girls away from our sites who've said they desperately need some money and that is why they are doing this modeling. Many have insisted that they do really want to do it and many when presented with the question, "Why do you want to do this?" changed their minds.

It's highly unlikely we'd accept models who only wanted to do this out of desperation.

[kittymatthews]

Well that's just where I am right now, it's not where i plan on being for the rest of my life.

You can believe what you want, but I spent almost all of my summer looking for a job filling out applications and getting absolutely nowhere. That's the truth. I am a very hard working person. I dont sit on pretty. The fact of that matter is that i didn't get hired and you can TELL when you hand someone your application and it's got a boys name on it and they look up at you with confusion that it's going to be an issue.

I dont see how getting on the web cam every once and a while is the same as having a photoshoot release every month and branding your name. Maybe that's naieve of me, i just dont see that as being the same thing. I mean, the very fact that people can post threads about certain girls on here tells me that this is part of the game. Building an audience and building a name. I dont see how you can possibly do that JUST with webcam shows. Correct me if i'm wrong.

As I've been doing camshows, i do understand the ins and out and the ups and downs and the positives and the negatives. There's still a lot i have to learn, but it's not like this is a new game for me. not at all.

I do not appreciate being called lazy Sean. I am anything but. I dont see how in hell walking up and down Hollywood blvd and applying to every single bussiness on the strip is lazy. Please help me understand how this is lazy or not putting out effort.

Explain to me how taking a bus 6 hours every day to go to a shitty telemarketing job to get paid 200 bucks a week is lazy.

I'd love to hear it.


My thing is this. I would have to be in a very different place to pursue porn in a way that would make me notable. I am not at that point yet and trust me when i say that i've been making videos and photosets and publishing them since i was of age.

It's fine if you guys disagree with me. I think my opinions on this website are just a little too strong. lol. I'm sorry if at this point in my life I do not want to make my carrer out of porn. One of the only reasons i'm doing webcam shows now is because I do it for free all the damn time. lol. So why not get paid?


Please dont get it twisted. I'm an exhibitionist and i love doing what I do on webcam. I"m just not ready to take it to another level because i DO feel like it compromises other plans in my life. Simple as that. Why is it so bad for me to want to see a black transsexual gain notoriety for something nonsexual?

Edit: you know what. This is the last time i speak my mind on this site. lol. Call me a hypocrite, whatever. Sure. I do porn but i dont want that to be my life and I dont want that to be my only future. Doesn't mean i look down on the industry. It just means it's not something i want to limit myself with. That's all. I will make an effort to speak more carefully in the future. I dont want to hijack threads anymore. its very unfair. I'll just get naked and smile.

[GroobySteven]

I do not appreciate being called lazy Sean. I am anything but. I dont see how in hell walking up and down Hollywood blvd and applying to every single bussiness on the strip is lazy. Please help me understand how this is lazy or not putting out effort.

I never said you were lazy. I said that the jobs which were potentially open to you as a young person (not necessarily TG) were probably not as good as working on a webcam from home. Between, 16-25 I worked McDonalds, dressed as a sweaty Dragon in a crappy theme park, barman, care assistant (wiping old people's asses) and a bunch of other stuff. If I could have made the same money being on a cam, I would have - I didn't have that option. Are you seriously telling me, no fast food, movie theater, supermarket, chain store would hire you?




My thing is this. I would have to be in a very different place to pursue porn in a way that would make me notable. I am not at that point yet and trust me when i say that i've been making videos and photosets and publishing them since i was of age.

Please dont get it twisted. I'm an exhibitionist and i love doing what I do on webcam. I"m just not ready to take it to another level because i DO feel like it compromises other plans in my life. Simple as that. Why is it so bad for me to want to see a black transsexual gain notoriety for something nonsexual?

Only do porn if you want to do it and enjoy it. You cannot make a career from it, the photos will be around for a long time (and my point is, so will the recordings of the videos) and as long as you can justify to yourself why you done it ("because I wanted to") then you don't have to justify it to anybody else.



It's fine if you guys disagree with me. I think my opinions on this website are just a little too strong. lol. I'm sorry if at this point in my life I do not want to make my carrer out of porn. One of the only reasons i'm doing webcam shows now is because I do it for free all the damn time. lol. So why not get paid?
Opinions can run strong Kitty but you are one of the main members of this forum who has formed and given VERY strong opinions on a number of issues, so don't give it, if you can't take it back. Nobody said to make a career out of porn, what was set, was that you are already working in porn. You are taking a $1 for showing off your wares - you are selling, it's fine!






Edit: you know what. This is the last time i speak my mind on this site. lol. Call me a hypocrite, whatever. Sure. I do porn but i dont want that to be my life and I dont want that to be my only future. Doesn't mean i look down on the industry. It just means it's not something i want to limit myself with. That's all. I will make an effort to speak more carefully in the future. I dont want to hijack threads anymore. its very unfair. I'll just get naked and smile.

Where has anybody said it should be your life? As I mentioned many girls I know have aspirations and ideas for where they want to go. Do what you like to do, do what you enjoy and if you can make some money from it, all power to you - but you have been critical of other peoples comments, so it's to be expected that you will get the response in kind.

Keep getting naked and smile ... and keep enjoying doing it.

[kittymatthews]

So sure, i work in porn, but saying my opinions on transgendered rights and working outside of porn are moot is the very reason i didn't want to in the first place. It's the whole "shut up and get naked" mentality. Just because I work in porn doesn't mean i can't be an advocate for girls doing something other than selling their ass.

And NO, i applied everywhere and no one would hire me.

[GroobySteven]

So sure, i work in porn, but saying my opinions on transgendered rights and working outside of porn are moot is the very reason i didn't want to in the first place. It's the whole "shut up and get naked" mentality. Just because I work in porn doesn't mean i can't be an advocate for girls doing something other than selling their ass.

No, no, no Kitty don't lower yourself to pretending you are being victimized here, that's trite and overdone. Nobody ever told you to shut up and get naked so if you are perceiving that, then it's your issue and nobodies here. Nobody has also said anything about you not being able to work in porn AND be an advocate for girls, now you are just twisting the discussion into something that you feel more comfortable with and it's very unbecoming.



And NO, i applied everywhere and no one would hire me.
Welll I'm genuinely surprised and sorry to hear that as I see transgenders working in many places in the USA, so perhaps you may need to figure out why they aren't hiring you, or if it's just the economy and such.

[onone]

I'll just get naked and smile.

If you were truly willing to do that, you wouldn't be such a broke hypocrite now would you? :)

I don't think that anyone suggested that you make a career out of pornography, but you are in the adult industry and I believe that people should give 100% in all they endeavor upon. You are half assing it on web doing cam shows because you are some sort transsexual version of a true black woman. YOU WIN!

It's sort of a masculine characteristic to be so much about your business that you have your own website, do photo shoots around the country for multiple magazines, dance in tgirl strip clubs, travel the country escorting AND creep off to walk the hoe strolls on the low. Females in the industry that do all of that most of the time have a man guiding them through the process, most of the time...

You literally have a black woman's brain. That shit is fuckin up your money because you like many black women are on that get an education, get a good job, remain employed till retirement. Unlike black women you do not provide jobs with that double tax credit they receive for hiring a "double minority." You know, black and a woman. You are just black and a man, legally. No bueno for unskilled labor positions... How about you work towards positioning yourself to employ people? Perhaps that's the good you can do for the tgirl community, hire them.

[GroobySteven]

If you were truly willing to do that, you wouldn't be such a broke hypocrite now would you? :)

I don't think that anyone suggested that you make a career out of pornography, but you are in the adult industry and I believe that people should give 100% in all they endeavor upon. You are half assing it on web doing cam shows because you are some sort transsexual version of a true black woman. YOU WIN!

It's sort of a masculine characteristic to be so much about your business that you have your own website, do photo shoots around the country for multiple magazines, dance in tgirl strip clubs, travel the country escorting AND creep off to walk the hoe strolls on the low. Females in the industry that do all of that most of the time have a man guiding them through the process, most of the time...

You literally have a black woman's brain. That shit is fuckin up your money because you like many black women are on that get an education, get a good job, remain employed till retirement. Unlike black women you do not provide jobs with that double tax credit they receive for hiring a "double minority." You know, black and a woman. You are just black and a man, legally. No bueno for unskilled labor positions... How about you work towards positioning yourself to employ people? Perhaps that's the good you can do for the tgirl community, hire them.


Well that's the biggest crock of shit I've read on this thread so far. While I disagree with some of what Kitty has said, this is just mysogenistic horseshit and I certainly distance myself from any of your ill-founded believes.

[onone]

Well that's the biggest crock of shit I've read on this thread so far. While I disagree with some of what Kitty has said, this is just mysogenistic horseshit and I certainly distance myself from any of your ill-founded believes.

As far as I'm concerned it was only me and Kitty in this thread. Oh and the word is beliefs. Misogynistic is spelled like I just spelled it... If someone is gone cut into one of my posts I at least want the spelling to be on point while I'll be less pedantic toward mistakes in grammar.

[kittymatthews]

If you were truly willing to do that, you wouldn't be such a broke hypocrite now would you? :)

I don't think that anyone suggested that you make a career out of pornography, but you are in the adult industry and I believe that people should give 100% in all they endeavor upon. You are half assing it on web doing cam shows because you are some sort transsexual version of a true black woman. YOU WIN!

It's sort of a masculine characteristic to be so much about your business that you have your own website, do photo shoots around the country for multiple magazines, dance in tgirl strip clubs, travel the country escorting AND creep off to walk the hoe strolls on the low. Females in the industry that do all of that most of the time have a man guiding them through the process, most of the time...

You literally have a black woman's brain. That shit is fuckin up your money because you like many black women are on that get an education, get a good job, remain employed till retirement. Unlike black women you do not provide jobs with that double tax credit they receive for hiring a "double minority." You know, black and a woman. You are just black and a man, legally. No bueno for unskilled labor positions... How about you work towards positioning yourself to employ people? Perhaps that's the good you can do for the tgirl community, hire them.


Wow

And you wonder why i dont like niggers. This whole "black woman" mentality is bullshit. I keep it 100 percent. I am a black woman and the feelings i express are real. You seriously think that trans women have the same rights as men do? Are you serious.

You know nothing about the industry. How many male porn stars can you name right off the bat?

Part of being a WOMAN in the indsutry is maintaining a fan base.


Oneone, i am not playing victim here.

How about I personally come over to where you are and castrate you. That's what men like you want, right? I can start my own castration business. It'll be a huge hit. Castrate all the nigger fags that try to fuck transsexuals one day and the next day call them men. Pathetic, confused little fag.

Good luck with that.

[kittymatthews]

No, no, no Kitty don't lower yourself to pretending you are being victimized here, that's trite and overdone. Nobody ever told you to shut up and get naked so if you are perceiving that, then it's your issue and nobodies here. Nobody has also said anything about you not being able to work in porn AND be an advocate for girls, now you are just twisting the discussion into something that you feel more comfortable with and it's very unbecoming.


Welll I'm genuinely surprised and sorry to hear that as I see transgenders working in many places in the USA, so perhaps you may need to figure out why they aren't hiring you, or if it's just the economy and such.


No, thats exactally what just happened

I say "hey why cant we be recongized for somehting other than sex objects" and people essentially say "but you are a sex object"

People like me more when i just shut up and get naked. Men HATE it when women challenge their ideas

You're right it could have been a gaumut of other things. I think it just depressed me when the only things that i could get were porn. lead me to feel like there weren't many other options. Not that i have an issue with the industry, i'd just like other choices. Other choices that i feel wouldnt solidify an image that is only a small part of who i am.

[kittymatthews]

By the way oneone, you wonder why i have such a negative view of sissy pussy ass faggot bottoms. Well what you said is a perfect example. See because at the end of the day, you will always see transsexuals as men.. at the end of the day. You have some deep seeded homosexual tendecies and that's fine, just dont waste my time with it. I'm a woman By your own admission, i think like a woman. Well hun, its because i am. Obviously you seek the comfort of a man. albeit a weak man. why the fuck would i want to play into tha twisted bullshit?


Stop being ashamed of who you are. Let the fag flag fly.

[kittymatthews]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhiHb913Lf4TpU4q5m

Here's your equality you backwards bastard.


Yeah you're right, i have a victim mentality for no reason.

[vidman]

That's great and I totally respect that, but none of those things are 'breaking through". Hearing about a tgirl who does hair isn't uncommon.

vidman: but see, it shouldn't have to be that way. I shouldn't have to feel like I have to show my ass or have sex to make money to pay for school or catapult me to sucess. We should be able to have the same oppurtunities that other people have when it comes to getting a decent job. I spent all summer looking for a job and the only people that wanted to hire me were grooby. It shouldn't be that way. As a trans attracted man its probably hard for you to totally understand this, but when you're told every day that all you're worth is some ass... come on. This may not be a duanting idea for you, but imagine if the only way you could make money was to constantly model for porn sites and turn tricks. Even in the small time i've worked on tgirlcams, i've realized that it takes a lot of work to model and it's sorta exhausting. lol.

Transsesexual breaking through SHOULD be them breaking through in a significant way and gaining notoriety without having to sell their ass.


I dont want to hijack your thread, i just can't help but feel a little sad that this is the best that transsexual woman can do.That this is breaking out into the industry. That being a porn star somehow makes you something.

Kitty, I understand your point and I agree partially, but as Remy said, what may be lemons to you might be lemonade for someone else. I never said that a transsexual HAD to use porn as a catapult. Nor did I say that it was mandated that my friend use the porn industry. This is something she chose to do because the money was very quick for her. Name one legit job where the money is quick and substantial for anyone; male or female. Exactly! So having said that, she chose to use the porn/sex industry to make big, quick, tax free money to afford her BS degree and eventually her Masters. Kitty, I know at least 10 girls that work for AT&T in one of their many call centers across the country. I know girls who are office managers. I even know girls who work fast food chains, grocery stores and drug stores as pharmacy technicians. These girls aren't on BTG because they CHOSE not to participate in the sex/porn industry. The sex industry is a choice for most girls. There are lots of other professions that girls have to choose from. I hate that your view on this industry is so skewed. You're damn good at it but if you feel that this is so degrading and lack-luster, maybe you should reconsider what you do currently and look into something else. No disrespect intended.

By the way, Kitty you can hi-jack my thread any day. I got mad love and respect for you.

Oh yeah Kitty. What kind of education do you have? Do you have a degree of some sort? Understand that the economy, as it is currently, is making it very tough for everyone regardless of race and gender. Not saying that education is the ultimate weapon because there are other factors that play into it, but it definitely gives you a nice leg up. More and more people are getting into hustle games now because the legit job is getting scarce. I saw a special on the news the other night about the murders of prostitutes going on in Northeast America as of late. One of the girls was asked in an interview, "if you know it's dangerous and a serial killer may be at large, why do you continue to do this?" The prostitute said because prostitution is a great money making profession especially in times like these when the economy is seriously compromised and jobs are in the tank. She also said that more women, including housewives and mothers are getting into it. So, Kitty, its not just you or transsexuals that is feeling the heat. Everyone is.

[kittymatthews]

Kitty, I understand your point and I agree partially, but as Remy said, what may be lemons to you might be lemonade for someone else. I never said that a transsexual HAD to use porn as a catapult. Nor did I say that it was mandated that my friend use the porn industry. This is something she chose to do because the money was very quick for her. Name one legit job where the money is quick and substantial for anyone; male or female. Exactly! So having said that, she chose to use the porn/sex industry to make big, quick, tax free money to afford her BS degree and eventually her Masters. Kitty, I know at least 10 girls that work for AT&T in one of their many call centers across the country. I know girls who are office managers. I even know girls who work fast food chains, grocery stores and drug stores as pharmacy technicians. These girls aren't on BTG because they CHOSE not to participate in the sex/porn industry. The sex industry is a choice for most girls. There are lots of other professions that girls have to chose from. I hate that your view on this industry is so skewed. You're damn good at it but if you feel that this is so degrading and lack-luster, maybe you should reconsider what you do currently and look into something else. No disrespect intended.

By the way, Kitty you can hi-jack my thread any day. I got mad love and respect for you.


Well I have and i probably always will, have a very confusing approach to this industry. On one hand, I see myself falling into it very easily and probably doing pretty well. On the other hand, I dont like the idea of becomming a person who will always be branded by sex. I eventually want to get married and live a pretty normal life. Not any time soon, but somewhere down the line. And i wouldn't want porn to get in the way of that or what i've been working so hard at (school).

I'm a pretty desensitized person as well so to me, doing webcam shows isn't a big deal. I've been doing them for so long for free that i figured why not jump at hte oppurtunity to make money with it? I mean i dont view it as degrading, but I don't want to be a girl who's life is all based off of sex. Maybe it's the fact that i live in LA, but I feel like it's a small circle. I've had people recognize me who i've never met before and as far as amature porn goes, I haven't done much or put much effort into getting my stuff out there. Yes somehow, i can't join a tgirl social network without getting an email from some guy who saw my videos.

It's strange because when I'm actually performing, i dont feel anything. It's fun and I make money. it's only when i get recongized off screen that sorta makes me uncomfortable

My first year at school, a guy who went to school with me straight up walked up to me and said "how does it feel to know that i know what you look like naked". No joke. That scared the shit out of me an I deleted everything for a while.

But alas, i am an exhibitionist. My transition is expensive and seeing as I have such a hard time getting a job with my current schedule and transportation situation, this works for now. I dont mind being a webcam model, but I would have ot make some serious decisions in my life if i went any further than that.

I dont judge girls who do porn. How can I? Ive been making my own videos since i was 16. I guess I just wish it were easier for me to get a job at McDonalds than it is to get a job at grooby. That's all. I obviously dont mind working in the industry in the way I am currently, but i really dont want that to be my life. It is a reality that had it not been for porn or tricks, i wouldn't be able to buy school books and hormones. All I wanted last summer was a decent honest job. And it seemed like the only way i could earn money was to pull tricks. And to me, that was a lot more degrading and dangerous that sitting on a camera being sexy and jerking off.

Edit:

and you're right. Times are hard. I go to a really good school and i've yet to graduate. Im sure there are tons of reasons i dont get hired. It's easy to blame my transition i guess. But at the same time, i cant ignore the uncomfortable faces when someone reads my male name on an application.

[peggygee]

and you're right. Times are hard. I go to a really good school and i've yet to graduate. Im sure there are tons of reasons i dont get hired. It's easy to blame my transition i guess. But at the same time, i cant ignore the uncomfortable faces when someone reads my male name on an application.

As regards employment, this may be helpful:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/needajob.jpg

Transfriendly Job Listings

http://theipowa.org/?q=content/employment

On the issue of having your name be congruent with your gender, here is information on having your name changed in the state of California:

Effective May 11, 2009, the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) changed the process for changing your name and gender marker on your California Driver's License. There is no longer a single form that you can use to simultaneously change both your name and your gender. From now on, you must submit a form DL 329 to change you gender, and a form DL 44 to change your name.

To change your gender on your California driver's license:

* 1. Obtain the DMV Medical Certification and Authorization (Gender Change) Form DL 329 available at http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/dl/dl329.pdf
* 2. The DL 329 must be completed by a licensed U.S. physician or psychologist.
* 3. The physician or psychologist must designate whether your “gender identification” and “demeanor” are male or female.
* 4. The physician or psychologist must also designate whether your gender identification is “complete” or “transitional.” However, only a licensed U.S. physician (and not a psychologist) can certify that your gender identification is “complete.”
* 5. If your physician or psychologist indicates on the DL 329 that your gender identification is “transitional,” you must submit a new form DL 329 every 5 years. If a new form DL 329 is not submitted, your original gender marker will be restored.
* 6. If your physician or psychologist indicates on the DL 329 that
your gender identification is “complete,” you will not be required to submit new information about your gender to obtain a new or renewed license.

** Please note that you still do not need to have SRS to change your gender marker on your driver's license!

To change your name on your California driver's license:

1. Obtain and complete the Driver License or Identification Card Application form DL 44. The Form DL 44 is available only at your local DMV office. Note that you may need to provide additional documentation to ensure that the name provided on the application is your true full name.

2. The most common and acceptable form of additional documentation is a court-ordered name change.

3. Other types of acceptable additional documentation include a birth certificate, passport, military ID card, U.S. naturalization certificate, American Indian card, or U.S. citizenship card. Birth and identity documents from other countries may also qualify. HOWEVER, this additional form of identification must state your current true name as you want it to appear on your driver's license. It cannot be your birth or other former name.

4. Other types of acceptable information include official judicial decrees such as: an adoption decree; a marriage certificate; a dissolution of marriage certificate; a domestic partnership registration certificate or declaration; or a dissolution of domestic partnership certificate of judgment. Again, this additional form of identification must state your current true name as you want it to appear on your driver's license. It cannot be your birth or other former name.

To change both your name and your gender on your California driver's license:

1. Complete both form DL 329 and form DL 44 as well as attach additional proof of identity to form DL 44 such as a court-ordered name change.

[kittymatthews]

thanks tons!!

[peggygee]

thanks tons!!

You're most welcome.

Trust and believe that you and any other transwoman can be and do any
thing that they set their hearts and minds to.

[kittymatthews]

Thank you. :)

My goal is to have this all settled by the time i turn 21. In otherwords, by September.

[GroobySteven]

As far as I'm concerned it was only me and Kitty in this thread. Oh and the word is beliefs. Misogynistic is spelled like I just spelled it... If someone is gone cut into one of my posts I at least want the spelling to be on point while I'll be less pedantic toward mistakes in grammar.

My only excuse was it was after midnight and I read your rubbish on the way to bed, I usually check it.
I did manage to spell HORSESHIT correctly.

"As far as you were concerned it was only me (you) and Kitty ..." - it's a public forum, get over yourself.

[Ms Remy M]

No, thats exactally what just happened

I say "hey why cant we be recongized for somehting other than sex objects" and people essentially say "but you are a sex object"

People like me more when i just shut up and get naked. Men HATE it when women challenge their ideas

You're right it could have been a gaumut of other things. I think it just depressed me when the only things that i could get were porn. lead me to feel like there weren't many other options. Not that i have an issue with the industry, i'd just like other choices. Other choices that i feel wouldnt solidify an image that is only a small part of who i am.

You wouldn't be taken as a sex object, if you didn't portray yourself as one. I and many other trans, don't post nude pics of themselves online, and I think a certain level of respect comes with that. I don't even let guys talk to me sideways. I always remain polite, but firmly tell them they approached me completely wrong and I don't tolerate that. Stand up for yourself and people will respect that.

My birth name is fish anyway so I've never worried about that aspect, but for a while my ID did have my boy picture, but I still held my head high and paid it no mind. I do admit I was happy to get that picture banished and you'll probably feel a little more confident once your name change goes through.

Go back to the telemarketing, I did 5 years there, 2 on the phone, and 3 as a Supervisor. Also, hotel industry tends to be very LGBT friendly. I know too many tgirls working and living regular lives with no sex industry aspects to believe that the world is "just against trans". Get all your "i" dotted and "t" crossed and do what YOU can to limit any potential issues.

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[Indy24]

During my day to day gig, every so other I may get a call from a client who ask about their health ins. benefits regarding SRS surgery.(sadly most ins plans don't cover it)

One caller in particular was a licensed Health Care Provider (doctor)
who was calling to appeal the denial of a Pre-authorization to have her previous SRS work corrected.

So despite being placed into the cock obsessed chaser bottom category by some TS. I went out my way to help this woman with overturning the pre-auth denial for this service.

*Note: You'd be surprised how may unattractive genetic female co-workers turned up their noses at the mere mention of the term Transsexual while resolving this issue. I thought to myself "Bitch why are you saying Ewww? A natural vagina didn't stop you from looking ugly/fat/old/etc."

But I digress.

My point is that their are plenty of Transsexuals out there with careers that don't involve sex. And just because it isn't broad casted world wide doesn't mean there aren't any TS of power in high places. So it's the normal people with no clout that should be careful and mind what the say and do.

[dickdaddy]

Wow

And you wonder why i dont like niggers.


This quote above is unnecessary and uncalled for. .At the end of the day u are black too,however u are sounding like a white person (remember Kramer from Seinfeld?),screaming the N- word cause u are pissed off at another black guy

dude was a douche-bag though with his comments and i disagree with them totally

[SHAUN]

This quote above is unnecessary and uncalled for. .At the end of the day u are black too,however u are sounding like a white person (remember Kramer from Seinfeld?),screaming the N- word cause u are pissed off at another black guy

dude was a douche-bag though with his comments and i disagree with them totally

BULLSHEEEEAAT...

Doesn't sound like a single "white" person I know - and I know 100s!

(Oh, except for Bernard Manning - a now deceased English comedian who regularly used the word "nigger" for comedic effect as opposed to malice, kinda like 85% of "black" comedians)

Personally speaking, I feel the word that should be banned is not "nigger" or "nigga".... The word/phrase that needs banning is "the n-word"; a truly Orwellian phrase, and entirely sinister in its thought control implications.

People should be free to speak as they please, particularly when it comes to comedy or lust (i.e. in front of consenting adults)... And if they are speaking hatefully and with malice, then so be it... though they should of course realise they are accountable for their spoken thoughts and feelings.

Just dont tell me she sounds "... like a white person"... That is a WEAK think for an adult to say.... I am going to assume you are better than that.

SHAUN

[kittymatthews]

because white people are the only people who use the Nword.

Logic understood. lol.

[eclectic_co]

Peggygee,

You bring a little class to any discussion!
Way to state it the way it should be stated!

:cool:


You're most welcome.

Trust and believe that you and any other transwoman can be and do any
thing that they set their hearts and minds to.

[peggygee]

Peggygee,

You bring a little class to any discussion!
Way to state it the way it should be stated!

:cool:

Thanks much, try to keep it positive, and real.

:)

[TurboMan]

Thanks much, try to keep it positive, and real.

:)

I second that with a purple passion.

[TSSexyChanel]

as much as I love porn and sex, gotta say, sorta sad that this is considered "black tgirls breaking through"

Co signs now the girl that works for People magazine thats breaking thru

[TSSexyChanel]

You wouldn't be taken as a sex object, if you didn't portray yourself as one. I and many other trans, don't post nude pics of themselves online, and I think a certain level of respect comes with that. I don't even let guys talk to me sideways. I always remain polite, but firmly tell them they approached me completely wrong and I don't tolerate that. Stand up for yourself and people will respect that.

My birth name is fish anyway so I've never worried about that aspect, but for a while my ID did have my boy picture, but I still held my head high and paid it no mind. I do admit I was happy to get that picture banished and you'll probably feel a little more confident once your name change goes through.

Go back to the telemarketing, I did 5 years there, 2 on the phone, and 3 as a Supervisor. Also, hotel industry tends to be very LGBT friendly. I know too many tgirls working and living regular lives with no sex industry aspects to believe that the world is "just against trans". Get all your "i" dotted and "t" crossed and do what YOU can to limit any potential issues.

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I stay butt naked and get much respect I think its more about the way a woman carries herself and defines herself as to how she is perceived and treated. Hell when I shoot my youtube vids its in the middle of filming porn or camming and the most people ever say is how nice I look they pay attention to the words and even those that know I am an adult entertainer can separate my career from me. Even butt naked those who really know me know Chanel the woman who plays TsSexyChanel on TV. Some girls whole personality is sexpot there is nothing more to them thats why men see them as sex objects not cause they are half naked.