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[kittymatthews]

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I like to pretend i can dance. lol.:)


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[DarylWashington]

Ewwwwwwwww

[kittymatthews]

Ewwwwwwwww

hahahhahahhha


Time to dig up evidence.

[ladylong22]

b***h you are the last person to say ewww about anything

[kittymatthews]

got that right.

[aaronk]

love the vids....you have a nice soft body that i really like..cute look and thick thighs..love it..!!!!!!!!

[kittymatthews]

awww thanks!!

I'm on tgirl cams RIGHT NOW.

[GroobySteven]

Ewwwwwwwww

Final warning DW ... one more crack at a model and you'll be looking for yet another place to post.

[kittymatthews]

aye.

The ones that wanna fuck you always try to put ya down.

[ladylong22]

i kno isnt it a damn shame

[CosmicTraveler]

I'm usually pretty nice and I still don't get any... So... there's just no winning, is that what you're saying?

[ladylong22]

dont think of it like that

[CosmicTraveler]

I suppose I shouldn't. At least I know being a complete asshole doesn't help either. From observation that is.

[ATLMAN28]

I'm usually pretty nice and I still don't get any... So... there's just no winning, is that what you're saying?

keep trying. the more you try, the more you get laid.

[CosmicTraveler]

That's the exact opposite of what happened... But this isn't about me. This is about Kitty and her cute penis.

[ladylong22]

ooh well i dont kno what to say about that

[kittymatthews]

You've gotta pay me a thousand dollars before me an my penis can even be anywhere near your ass.

[CosmicTraveler]

Um... I dunno if that's directed at me but... If it is... why?

[kittymatthews]

because im a woman and if you want a man you should leave transsexuals alone.

[CosmicTraveler]

Yeah see, I don't really get where that's coming from.

[Indy24]

you've gotta pay me a thousand dollars before me an my penis can even be anywhere near your ass.

.......smh.

[Indy24]

Yeah see, I don't really get where that's coming from. It comes from people who make up there own minds about what they want in the world.

The good thing about reality is that all opinions aint law.

So just find an open minded Tgirls who's preferences compliment yours just like I do at least every other week.

[CosmicTraveler]

It comes from people who make up there own minds about what they want in the world.

The good thing about reality is that all opinions aint law.

So just find an open minded Tgirls who's preferences compliment yours just like I do at least every other week.

No see that I get. What I don't get is why she'd make that comment to me specifically... If I expressed any interest in her it was unintended. ( No offense. )

[Indy24]

No see that I get. What I don't get is why she'd make that comment to me specifically... If I expressed any interest in her it was unintended. ( No offense. )

Well lesson of the day is to only compliment the clits of tgirls who aren't ashamed of using them.... :cool:

[CosmicTraveler]

I guess so. Maybe I should just tell girls they're all fat so they don't get the impression I'm coming onto them. >.>

[kittymatthews]

I dunno, i think if there's any girl on this forum, i make my preference very clear. Its not personal, but i view bottoms and submissive men as women. That's just how I personally feel. I mean no offence to you at all. It just simply turns me off when a guy would come to a woman and ask her to fulfill a male role. That's all. I've got my preference. It's not about shame at all. It's about how i view gender and sexuality. I am very experieneced and i've explored both realms of both gender and sexuality and as Indy has stated, i've made up my mind. There are plenty of girls who do not agree with the way i view my sexuality, but that's the beuty of the transgendered world. We re all diverse and unique. I simply consider myself to be a heteronormative, if not heterosexual, woman and I only desire the comfort and sexual pleasure of a man who fulfills my personal definition of what a man is.


As bizzare as this may sound, I'm a woman and women are penetrated and men penetrate. And anything deviating from that changes the dynamics of the relationship and that isnt a relationship I want. I like to get fucked and i like men who like to fuck. I like men who get off by getting their dick sucked and fucking some tight ass. I've never ran into so many men who found that entirely unappealing. hahahaha. What is this world comming to when a girl's gotta fuck a man in the ass to keep his interest.

smh.

[CosmicTraveler]

Good thing I'm not interested in turning you on I guess. Now if we could get this topic back to where it was that'd be great. You know, that thing I was trying to do before.

[kittymatthews]

lol. Cosmic, i'm not going to go even humor that. For a guy who isn't interested in turning me on you sure do like my cock and you sure do like talking to me a lot.


Wow, what is it with men? You turn them down or express its not what you're into and all the sudden it's "omg, well you're ugly" or "well i dont care".

Ugh. God, the state of men. This thread is about my sexy videos and my webcam shows. So if you're not attracted to me, excuse yourself from the thread and do not contact me again.

Thanks. :)

[onone]

I think you would be better served to keep the fact that you do not like bottoms to yourself, that's if you want the most honesty from people. People who are interested in you will generally attempt to hide whatever it is you reveal you don't like. It's best to just allow people to hang themselves. For instance, if a woman that I want to fuck comes out of the blue and says that she doesn't like guys who watch tranny porn and believes them to be gay, you can bet that she will never know I dabble in viewing tranny porn. Maybe after I hit that I'll engage her on the subject of viewing tranny porn. :D

[kittymatthews]

Perhaps you enjoy living your life in lies, but I dont. I dont believe in humoring men who do not reflect my interests. I do not believe in being dishonest for someone to like me more. I've done that plenty of times in my life and all that does is lead to uncomfortable situations. Perhaps you enjoy secrets, but I dont. I dont enjoy a guy who would rather sit there and talk for hours about how awesome my cock is and ignore everything else that is feminine about my body. To me a cock obsessed man deserves another man. Not a transsexual who is doing pretty much everything in her ability to NOT be a man.

Me and cosmic and be friends and talk but I wouldn't have sex with him because our tastes do not match up and thats FINE. IN my life, plenty of men have been unable to fulfill my sexual tastes and i've gotten along just fine. I've also been unable to fulfill theirs and as much as it may suck from time to time, that's life.

Now what I dont like is when a man spends his time hitting on me and flirting with me and suddenly when i drop the bomb that i'm a woman and i dont enjoy cock obsessed men its "oh dont flatter yourself". That's bullshit and I dont really enjoy bullshit, unless i'm getting paid to perpetuate it.

You should want a girl who is ok with your tranny porn tastes. You shouldn't settle with someone tht doesn't gel with your sexuality. How do you not see that as self destructive. Perhaps I am too honest and too straight forward. Men like lies. I think Ill lie more often. I'll be more likeable that way.

[ladylong22]

to many damn lies for me women lie men lie woman lie men lie woman lie men lie everybody lie

[Indy24]

Perhaps you enjoy living your life in lies, but I dont. I dont believe in humoring men who do not reflect my interests. I do not believe in being dishonest for someone to like me more. I've done that plenty of times in my life and all that does is lead to uncomfortable situations. Perhaps you enjoy secrets, but I dont. I dont enjoy a guy who would rather sit there and talk for hours about how awesome my cock is and ignore everything else that is feminine about my body. To me a cock obsessed man deserves another man. Not a transsexual who is doing pretty much everything in her ability to NOT be a man.

Me and cosmic and be friends and talk but I wouldn't have sex with him because our tastes do not match up and thats FINE. IN my life, plenty of men have been unable to fulfill my sexual tastes and i've gotten along just fine. I've also been unable to fulfill theirs and as much as it may suck from time to time, that's life.

Now what I dont like is when a man spends his time hitting on me and flirting with me and suddenly when i drop the bomb that i'm a woman and i dont enjoy cock obsessed men its "oh dont flatter yourself". That's bullshit and I dont really enjoy bullshit, unless i'm getting paid to perpetuate it.

You should want a girl who is ok with your tranny porn tastes. You shouldn't settle with someone tht doesn't gel with your sexuality. How do you not see that as self destructive. Perhaps I am too honest and too straight forward. Men like lies. I think Ill lie more often. I'll be more likeable that way.

We've had this discussion in detail on one of you're youtube vids that was titled on the topic. And at the end of the discussion you had seem to have lightened up a little but it seems you're back to square one.

You want it both ways (pun intended) you want a guy who's openminded enough to see you as a woman trapped in a male body yet closed minded to the point where he doesn't see what's in front of him when you open your legs.

News flash, whether a man claims to be strictly top or not. Ignoring a womans "dick" is like ignoring a 3rd eye when it's staring right at you. And since TS women aren't folklore or a fiction novel, it's kind of hard to suspend disbelief when balls are touching while you're having sex with said tranny from the back.

Every one has there preference but it's not what you do it it's how you come off that turns some men off to the point where they don't even wanna be friends with you anymore. Then you just shut down and dismiss it for what ever reason and run to Youtube posting a rant on why you don't like black guys.

Thus the circle of self-destruction continues.

Long story short your preference has merit and no one can take that from you. But you logic isn't sound, and deep down I believe you realize this but instead of just saying "Topping just isn't my thing" you use that "gay" word as a scare tactic ironically the same way genetic women use it on guys who date women like yourself.

Thus leaving a lot of guys who date both types of women saying fuck it and just using both types of women as he sees fit. Getting what ever he can get when ever he can get it while secretly resenting both at the same time because dispite what both parties think. Theres quite a few of us who date Tgirls who are verse or top but don't like men. So for women and trannies to say it just because they don't like a certain sex act or me dating a certain type of person is just plain ignorant and insulting.

F.Y.I. the dick obsessed theory loses gravity once you do a little research on human anatomy an discover that the penis and clitoris aren't that much different from each other.

So for me it's just a matter of hanging on to the intelligent TS women who like what she sees in a full length mirror unclothed and unashamed....

[kittymatthews]

Have you ever been fucked by a clitoris?

Have you ever begged for a clitoris to cum inside of your mouth?


I dont care if it turns you off and you dont want to be my friend, I feel the way I feel. I do realize how crazy it sounds, but I've tried to appease men for a very long time allowing them to appreciate, masturbate suck and try to get fucked my penis. Nothing disgusts me more.

BUt again, this is me and my preference. You know you're not a homosexual, why do you need my validation? Furthermore, why do you care if i express my tastes? My reaction should describe to you the severity of my feelings towards men who bottom or are cock obsessed.

You can absolutely not compare the penis to the clitoris. Sure, they are very similar, but they obviously function in different ways. Comparing them is silly. I've heard plenty of men try to explain t me that sucking cock is like eating a woman out. Wrong. Sucking cock is sucking cock.

I'm not trying to guilt trip you. If you like cock, like cock. I'm just saying that isn't what I'm into. And I am aboslutely sick and tired of trying to prove to a man that I am a woman. I never ask for a man to ignore it, i ask for him to not be penetrated by it. Matrubating, touching and grabbing are very different from bending over like a girl and begging for cock.

Asking for a guy to be a total top is not farfetched. In my experience in life, ive learned that no one can define you but you can certainly define other people's context as it pertains to you. I view bottoms as effeminate and ultimately woman. Is that true? No. But that's how i feel when it has to do with me.

Why can't you just throw up your hands, mark it down as ignorance and move on. You will not win this debate with me. You will never convince me to fuck a guy in the ass or let him suck my cock Never. So let it be.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of men who are sexually compatiable with me. Just becuase you havea preference doens't mean every man does. You cannot and will not instruct me on how to navigate the world as a transsexual woman. Your opiions do not dictate my personal feelings towards sex, JUST as mine shouldn't effect yours.

Indy, we dont get along. A smart man would leave it at that and move on. You wil not fix me. I can accept that you are a bottom and you like tgirl penis. i can accept that as a reality and I do not judge you for that, hwoever, when ti comes to a man's interaction with me, that is how i feel. Do you understand? Do you get it? We've had this conversation so many times it shocks me that you're surprised i feel this way.

I am not, i repeat, am not ashamed of my penis. There are photos of my penis on THIS website. i am not ashamed of my penis. However, accepting your penis as a reality is not the same as enjoying it sexually.

you are NOT a transsexual woman. You can NOT tell me how to have sex or express and enjoy my gender.

[onone]

I dont enjoy a guy who would rather sit there and talk for hours about how awesome my cock is and ignore everything else that is feminine about my body. To me a cock obsessed man deserves another man. Not a transsexual who is doing pretty much everything in her ability to NOT be a man.


Trust, if that is the first thing out of your mouth when talking to that sort of man you can bet a good percentage of them will not show their hand in that area. I'm in no way telling you to change your taste, in fact a better way to get to the truth is to pretend like you enjoy fucking guys in the ass when holding conversations with them. At that point they are more likely to let you know how they get down. When they reveal the truth, the cut off in communication can be swift.

[kittymatthews]

Which i'd rather it be, honestly. I mean..

unlike you trying to hide your interest in trans women from cisgendered women who would judge you, I'm a bottom and I only enjoy sex as a bottom. You can still enjoy sex with a woman if she doesn't know you like transsexuals? See there's the difference between both scenarios. I mean no offense but i definitelly feel the way I feel and you've gotta pay me a lOT of money (and im not a hooker) to get me to compromise that. lol.


As to pretening i like to fuck guy int he ass, the sad truth is that if i liked up 10 guys, 8 of them would be hard as a motherfucker if i told them that. And I dont want that. Gotta understand, the thought of doing that makes me pretty sick in my stomach. Even pretending. I pretty much like to say straight out that i'm a bottom and that havin sex with me is pretty much like fucking a cisgendered girl...except i dont get pregnant and my sex drive is higher hahaha.

Honesty is the BEST way to keep yourself out of uncomfortable situations.

Wouldn't you rather a girl you're with to be down with you liking tgirls as opposed to her finding out, catching you and freakin out? Isn't that what they call the DL mentality?

[onone]

So it doesn't matter if you are dealing with a guy who truly likes to get fucked in the ass, just as long as he knows upfront that you aren't willing to do it. Seems like you want dudes to lie because most of them don't naturally fit the criteria anyway according to you with that 8 out of 10 ratio.

When dating one does not owe anyone a damn thing, so to say that a person is "hiding" information is a bit strong. "DL mentality" doesn't even apply. Are we now calling trannies men? People who put all of their business out in the street aren't altogether honest, they may be naive and simple minded.

[Indy24]

Okay who in the blue hell said anything about forcing someone to use their dick???

I've already won this debate simply on the basis that you tend to act erratic when talking on a subject that backs you in a corner.

Wiki the word "CLITORIS" before you try to discredit one of my comments. Clits and dicks are made of the same skin tissues and both gets erect when stimulated. I didn't say they were exactly the same but they have more similarities then contrast. The using the clit to fuck some one comment was ridiculous but the largest recorded clitoris was measured at around 4.5 inches ;)

And for the record having a debate with some one doesn't mean I hate them. There's some things we may agree on and some we don't. The reason this escalated was because a certain person made a comment about your dick which stated you weren't a shamed of but instead of excepting the compliment you tore into him as if you were a top.

Thus leaving the poor guy speechless.

I've been scrutinized and reprimanded on this site about being respectful and I just feel that it should go for everyone.

I'm not just posting all this motivate you to use you privates I could care less. It's when you go on a rant making statement that aren't true that people start to give you the side eye.

So to those how are reading this and are on the fence about the subject. I say being gay is a lifestyle but being top by a tgirl or pegged by a genetic woman is an event.

Much respect to those who know the difference!

[kittymatthews]

hahhaa. You totally don't get what i'm saying so let me break it down for you


I dont like bottoms

If you are a BOTTOM

meaning a man who has a major preference towards getting fucked in the ass

I am not interested

If you are a bottom, you will not be sexually satisfied by me

I do not like to waste people's time and I dont like mine wasted either

If you do not primarily enjoy fucking ass and getting head, then we are not compatible

I'm not asking anyone to lie

if 8 out of 10 tranny chasing men want cock up their ass, i want the 2 that can do without it.

I believe in quality not quantity

I do not believe in compromise when it comes to sex. I will never stick my dick in a man's ass. Again, that's what men are for.

If you think the majority of men interested in transsexuals dont live a DL lifestyle you're seriously losing it.

And if you dont understand that i am a total bottom who only wants me who enjoy being a top then you probably aren't smart enough to keep this back and forth going. I dont think I have ever been so clear about anything in my entire life.



So in short

I'd rather tell a man "nothing turns me off more than a man who prefers getting fucked in the ass by a transsexual" and get the "well fuck you, i'll find a tranny that likes topping"reaction than i would lying about my preference, or rather, requirements. I look for a man who is able to hear that and react almost as if me saying that is so off point from who he is that it's laughable.

You see


Listen, if you guys like tranny cocks in all your holes, that's fine by me. Dont be offended by my personal view of things. If it puts you off, then you're not the sort of guy i'm trying to attract. Do you GET that? Or should i explain that again, slower?


As far as your poorly constructed "man who likes tranny porn" vs "transsexual who is a total bottom" argument, I hope you see how flawed that comparison is. You pointed it out perfectly. It's not your partner's business to know you're interested in tranny porn. However, a man who pursues me sexually and romantically will NEED to know that i'm not going to fuck him in the ass or let him slobber on my cock before going forward.

Do you understand? There's quite a difference.

And you want to talk about natural? What's unnatural is a man who has a preference towards anal pleasure. Now, notice how i said preference. What's unnatural is me offering bomb head and a tight ass and getting "well can i suck your cock or how about ya fuck me".

Answer me this. What -CAN- you call a man who has an infatuation with transsexual's penis? To the point that he cannot be with one who does not want to top him in some way shape or form? What do you call a man who, when presented with a feminine body is only interested in the part of her body that isnt feminine?

I'd love to know.



See look, i'm not here trying to sell myself as the next black tgirls model. Truth be told even if i did model for this website, my sexual preference wouldnt matter as the viewers are never going to sleep with me. Stating my sexual preference only becomes sticky when i ruin people's fantasy of dominate transsexual who wants to fuck the shit out of them.

I applogize if stating my preference so bluntly offends you, but understand that it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with me and the way i state it is the way i fee about it and that should be enough.


I think it's sad i've got to sit here and try to make an argument for men to be tops. Aye.

[kittymatthews]

Okay who in the blue hell said anything about forcing someone to use there dick???

I've already won this debate simply on the basis that you tend to at erratic when talking on a subject that backs you in a corner.

Wiki the word "CLITORIS" before you try to discredit one of my comments. Clits are made of the same skin tissues and both gets erect when stimulated. I didn't say they were exactly the same but the have more similarities then they do contrast. The using the clit to fuck some one comment was a ridiculous but the largest recorded clitoris was measured at around 4.5 inches ;)

And for the record haven't a debate with some one doesn't mean I hate them. There's some things we may agree on and some we don't. The reason this escalated was because a certain person made a comment about your dick which stated you weren't a shamed of but instead of excepting the compliment you torn in to him as if you were a top.

Thus leaving the poor guy speechless.

I've been reprimanded on this site about being respectful and I just fell that it should go for everyone.

I'm not just posting all this motivate you to use you privates I could care less. It's when you go on a rant making statement that aren't true that people start to give you the side eye.

So to those how are reading this and are on the fence about the subject. I say being gay is a lifestyle but being top by a tgirl or pegged by a genetic woman is an event.

Much respect to those who know the difference!


Please dont make the assumption that I am stupid and misinformed.

I'll ask you again, how many times has a man asked a cisgendered woman to fuck him in the ass with her clit


you may not hate me but you obviously feel the need to constantly state how much you disagree with me or how on the fence you are about and how much you shake your head. It's just silly. I believe what i believe and you believe what you believe. Having had these conversations with me before, i dont know how and why you'd think we could have them again and things would chnge. And if you dont want them to change, then why have the conversation. Pointless, no?



I will admit that the way i responded to Cosmic was inappropriate and it wasn't directed towards him but generally to everyone and just a general statement of my sexual preference. I think Cosmic is a good guy, a nice guy, but you're not going to get away with hitting on me and then acting like you didn't. That's just lame.

I'm sorry the way i express myself rubs everyone the wrong way. Generally i'd try to tone it down and bring it back, but i've learned that's not a way to go about things so i stand by what i said and how i said it.

[onone]

I don't want to be lumped in with the guys that have sex with tgirls. There are obviously some guys who have a dog in this race and may feel offended. You can tell the guys you talk to whatever the hell you want to whenever you want to...

Now, the new thing that I picked up on is that you are like the tranny version of some black women that have sexual boundaries they won't cross that are pretty commonly crossed by non black women. For instance, back in the 80's and further in the past, you could consider yourself a lucky man if you had a black woman who gave you head. In the 90's and up till today you have black women that will consider a man gay if they want to fuck her in the ass. Then you have black women who will consider a man gay if he asks her to toss his salad. You pretty much have access to all of that when dealing with non black women. I think one would be hard pressed to find a white tranny who will outright tell a man that the dick is completely off limits. Pussy isn't enough for some men, and certainly ass & head aren't enough for some tranny chasers.

[Indy24]

No conversation I engage in is pointless.

I've learned quite a few things about an individuals persona when doing so.

I was taught to own up to what I say and be man enough to admit when I'm wrong.

Despite public opinion I'm not a power bottom. I'm a alpha male. A hunter. I resides at the top of the food chain. I'm a provider and a defender of those I care for.

To dismiss all of my efforts and accomplishments on the soul basis that I may get kinky with a TS woman every now and then sounds remedial at best. Bottoming is not the same as taking offensive comments lying down.

People who take a simple bedroom act as a weakness on the street tend to be sadly mistaken since most don't know what goes on in the next mans sex life.

I don't fold when addressed on the subject so I don't expect people to break when I speak to them.

A wise man never argues with fools so if I'm having a harmless discussion with you. Learn to take it as a compliment.

[kittymatthews]

I'll reiterate

I'm talking about men who have a fixation with bottoming. As in, that is their primary way of having sex and recieving sexual pleasure. And trust me when I say that I wouldn't feel the way I feel have i not been kinky and done a lot of experimenting up to this point.

I personally feel that a man bending over and asking me to penetrate him is a sign of weakness. That's just how i feel when it has to do with me. I'm experienced sexually enough to know very strongly that's how I feel.

oneone: Perhaps I am. I will not argue that I have sexual boundaries. That's all true. BUt I don't want a tranny chaser, I want a guy who's trans attracted who can view women and transsexuals as equal. Meaning, I dont want a guy who goes to women expecting one thing and comes to transsexuals expecting another. And i can hear you guys disagreeing already but these guys DO exist and I've gone out with them. There are men who not define sexual taste by the availability of parts.

That's a typical black man's way of thinking. "oh these black women dont want to give it to me, so i'll go somewhere else". Aye.

Honestly, i've spoken to a lot of women about their sexuality and Id say on average black transsexuals are far far far more open sexually than white transsxuals. In my experience, white transsexual tend to be more conservative and possibly strongly consider undergoing SRS. Where as black transsexuals, more often, are non op and are comfortable with their penis. Maybe I'm wrong, but I somehow believe you're probably going to find a "kinky" TS woman in the black community sooner than in the white community. But good luck with that hypothosis. I dont believe in competing in racewars. lol.

[lament]

I'll reiterate

I'm talking about men who have a fixation with bottoming. As in, that is their primary way of having sex and recieving sexual pleasure. And trust me when I say that I wouldn't feel the way I feel have i not been kinky and done a lot of experimenting up to this point.

I personally feel that a man bending over and asking me to penetrate him is a sign of weakness. That's just how i feel when it has to do with me. I'm experienced sexually enough to know very strongly that's how I feel.

oneone: Perhaps I am. I will not argue that I have sexual boundaries. That's all true. BUt I don't want a tranny chaser, I want a guy who's trans attracted who can view women and transsexuals as equal. Meaning, I dont want a guy who goes to women expecting one thing and comes to transsexuals expecting another. And i can hear you guys disagreeing already but these guys DO exist and I've gone out with them. There are men who not define sexual taste by the availability of parts.

That's a typical black man's way of thinking. "oh these black women dont want to give it to me, so i'll go somewhere else". Aye.

Honestly, i've spoken to a lot of women about their sexuality and Id say on average black transsexuals are far far far more open sexually than white transsxuals. In my experience, white transsexual tend to be more conservative and possibly strongly consider undergoing SRS. Where as black transsexuals, more often, are non op and are comfortable with their penis. Maybe I'm wrong, but I somehow believe you're probably going to find a "kinky" TS woman in the black community sooner than in the white community. But good luck with that hypothosis. I dont believe in competing in racewars. lol.

There is nothing wrong with your sexual preference, being purely a bottom. However, your broader view leads me to believe you are in denial about the true nature of a man's attraction to a transsexual.

You, as you have said in this thread, are doing "everything you can" to be a (genetic) woman. Since genetic women don't have cocks, they obviously don't fuck men or get their cocks sucked. So you, in trying to be as close to a genetic woman as possible, mimic their sexual role. You don't take pleasure in getting your cocked sucked, fucking dudes, or having you dick be a sexual object. This is fine, as it is your sexual preference.

You project this view onto others, and place the "gay" label on trans interested men that like the penis of the transsexual woman. You think, and have said in this thread, that trans interested men who are interested in the penis of a transsexual are not "real men."

What is unfortunate is that you have not yet detected the 500 pound gorilla in the room. The reason trans interested men are trans interested in the first place is because trans women HAVE COCKS. Of course the overall femininity, face, body etc, is a key factor in the attraction.

But let me let you in on a little secret. Yes a man you are with will like you for your general feminine features. But if that was all he wanted, he would be with a genetic female because not only do they have those feminine traits, they have them to a higher degree.A dude might like your face and body, but he could easily take a five minute walk and see several genetic female that exceed your feminine features. He's with you because you having something they don't: a penis.

So to be "disgusted" as you say by trans interested men that like penis is, ironically, to be disgusted by trans interested men because trans seeking men are, by definition, penis interested (clearly i'm talking about ts that have not had sex change surgery).

So you have an inherent disgust for the people you are most likely to have sexual relationships with . Of course the ideal for you would be a straight man that is not into transsexuals, but is so taken by your female features that he makes an exception for you. A guy that likes women and not penis, but is so taken by you that he can ignore your penis. But, again, such a man could easily find a female who exceeds your feminine features.

You are in denial about the state of your sexuality. Again, that is fine. But what is unfortunate is that you have to insult others out of your own denial and insecurity. What is even more unfortunate is that the people you insult are your likely sexual suitors. Haha that's pretty funny actually.

[kittymatthews]

There is nothing wrong with your sexual preference, being purely a bottom. However, your broader view leads me to believe you are in denial about the true nature of a man's attraction to a transsexual.

You, as you have said in this thread, are doing "everything you can" to be a (genetic) woman. Since genetic women don't have cocks, they obviously don't fuck men or get their cocks sucked. So you, in trying to be as close to a genetic woman as possible, mimic their sexual role. You don't take pleasure in getting your cocked sucked, fucking dudes, or having you dick be a sexual object. This is fine, as it is your sexual preference.

You project this view onto others, and place the "gay" label on trans interested men that like the penis of the transsexual woman. You think, and have said in this thread, that trans interested men who are interested in the penis of a transsexual are not "real men."

What is unfortunate is that you have not yet detected the 500 pound gorilla in the room. The reason trans interested men are trans interested in the first place is because trans women HAVE COCKS. Of course the overall femininity, face, body etc, is a key factor in the attraction.

But let me let you in on a little secret. Yes a man you are with will like you for your general feminine features. But if that was all he wanted, he would be with a genetic female because not only do they have those feminine traits, they have them to a higher degree.A dude might like your face and body, but he could easily take a five minute walk and see several genetic female that exceed your feminine features. He's with you because you having something they don't: a penis.

So to be "disgusted" as you say by trans interested men that like penis is, ironically, to be disgusted by trans interested men because trans seeking men are, by definition, penis interested (clearly i'm talking about ts that have not had sex change surgery).

So you have an inherent disgust for the people you are most likely to have sexual relationships with . Of course the ideal for you would be a straight man that is not into transsexuals, but is so taken by your female features that he makes an exception for you. A guy that likes women and not penis, but is so taken by you that he can ignore your penis. But, again, such a man could easily find a female who exceeds your feminine features.

You are in denial about the state of your sexuality. Again, that is fine. But what is unfortunate is that you have to insult others out of your own denial and insecurity. What is even more unfortunate is that the people you insult are your likely sexual suitors. Haha that's pretty funny actually.
Fucking stupid as shit.


Ya'll I'm done. I feel the way I feel, that it.

I have a lot of experience with men and I realize that men are interested in trans women becaue they have penies (which isn't always the case, but I'll let you believe it is) but not all men want to get fucked and suck cock.


I am not delusional in beliving that because it' a fact of life, not an opinion or concept.


I am not naive and stupid and im really sick of being accused as such. I like men who are total tops nd I find men who are total bottoms unappealing. What's so hard to understand about that. tttttttt

I never once said i wanted a man who ignores my penis. I just dont want a cock obsessed guy. And there is huge difference and its really sad you dont see the difference between a transattracted man and a cock hungry total bottom who still wants to consider himself straight.



No more debate on this subject, you will not win.

[Indy24]

Hmm.............

[lament]

Fucking stupid as shit.


Ya'll I'm done. I feel the way I feel, that it.

I have a lot of experience with men and I realize that men are interested in trans women becaue they have penies (which isn't always the case, but I'll let you believe it is) but not all men want to get fucked and suck cock.


I am not delusional in beliving that because it' a fact of life, not an opinion or concept.


I am not naive and stupid and im really sick of being accused as such. I like men who are total tops nd I find men who are total bottoms unappealing. What's so hard to understand about that. tttttttt

I never once said i wanted a man who ignores my penis. I just dont want a cock obsessed guy. And there is huge difference and its really sad you dont see the difference between a transattracted man and a cock hungry total bottom who still wants to consider himself straight.



No more debate on this subject, you will not win.

Again, there is nothing wrong with your sexual preference of being purely a bottom and finding men who get fucked and suck cock as unattractive. But it is unfair for you to say, like you did in an earlier post, that men who do those things "should go find a man," because they themselves are not "real men."

It is just ironic that a transsexual of all people is so sexually judgmental, putting people into a little box like that by defining them based on their sexual actions. It is ironic because you are progressive and broad-minded enough to think that you are a real woman despite your genetics, and yet so conservative and narrow minded that you say transinterested men are real men if and only if they don't like the transsexual's penis.

The issue with your thinking is not your sexual preference of not wanting men who like penis. The issue is that you are judgmental and narrow minded enough to place men who do in a box that you label "not real man." There is nothing wrong with you thinking that way, it is your opinion. . It is just ironic that such a parochial view is coming from you, a person who's sexual identity is so often subject to unfair judgement.

If someone holds your opinion, and by the same token has the equally narrow minded view that transsexuals are men dressed as women and that men who have sex with them are gay, I am perfectly okay with their thinking because it is at least consistent. You thinking is inconsistent. The double standard you have, judging transsexuals liberally and the men that have sex with them conservatively. That's all I'm saying. Now can you quit this yapping and come fuck my brains out already, sheesh:D

[kittymatthews]

Here' where we iffer

I someoen says Im a man in womens clothing, i laugh at them because i know that's not true.

You should learn to do the same.

Just because I'm transsexual doesn't mean I have to be open minded about my sexuality.

If all a man wants is cock, he needs to go to a man. Period.

I cant see what's so confusing about that.


You dont think that men would sooner fuck a guy in the as than a transsexual?

[Indy24]

Here' where we iffer

I someoen says Im a man in womens clothing, i laugh at them because i know that's not true.

You should learn to do the same.

Just because I'm transsexual doesn't mean I have to be open minded about my sexuality.

If all a man wants is cock, he needs to go to a man. Period.

I cant see what's so confusing about that.


You dont think that men would sooner fuck a guy in the as than a transsexual?

Absolutely, but none of them have any part in the equation when it's comes to a straight man who's into tgirls and what he does with them sexually. But since you like making things a democracy when it's convenient, I'm quite sure the % of TS who do fuck straight men is closer than you'd care to admit. So I guess this rules out both statistics.

I'm sort of curious about something though. At what point or to what degree do you diagnose a guy as being "cock obsessed?"

Not trying to be nosy, I just really want to get some insight from tgirls who think as you do.

If you're completely naked, there really aren't to many ways to avoid a guy having some contact with your nether regions while being intimate, so how comfortable does a straight man have to be when having sex with a pre-opt ts as far as being exposed to a tgirls dick goes, before he's ruled out as a man lover in disguise to you?

I mean if a guy is totally grossed out to the point where he can no longer preform because a tgirls dick keeps touching his leg, stomach, etc. does that make him a keeper?

[vidman]

Kitty, not to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly where I was trying to go with you during our debate but I chose to digress because I didn't want to start any hard feelings between us. But I totally agree with Indy and Lament. They are definitely more articulate than I am on getting their points across on this subject matter.

[lament]

Absolutely, but none of them have any part in the equation when it's comes to a straight man who's into tgirls and what he does with them sexually. But since you like making things a democracy when it's convenient, I'm quite sure the % of TS who do fuck straight men is closer than you'd care to admit. So I guess this rules out both statistics.

I'm sort of curious about something though. At what point or to what degree do you diagnose a guy as being "cock obsessed?"

Not trying to be nosy, I just really want to get some insight from tgirls who think as you do.

If you're completely naked, there really aren't to many ways to avoid a guy having some contact with your nether regions while being intimate, so how comfortable does a straight man have to be when having sex with a pre-opt ts as far as being exposed to a tgirls dick goes, before he's ruled out as a man lover in disguise to you?

I mean if a guy is totally grossed out to the point where he can no longer preform because a tgirls dick keeps touching his leg, stomach, etc. does that make him a keeper?

You brought up a good point, where she draws the line of what is "cock hungry." What she jumped on that ude earlier for saying was excessive imo. He said she had a pretty penis and she throws him in the cock hungry box. If a guy is cock hungry for thinking a ts has a nice penis, 99% of dudes that are into ts are cock hungry. The other 1 % is probably new to ts and will soon get used to/like the cock. I myself was in that 1%, not in the majority.

But if by cock hungry she means a guy that cares about NOTHING but cock, and would take an ugly dude in dress look with a big dick over very hot chick with small, yeah, that is cock hungry and would probably enjoy dudes more than ts if he got over the gay phobia.

But I don't think there are many ts interested dudes that are like that.

[kittymatthews]

But I don't think there are many ts interested dudes that are like that.

You'd be surprised

Soemoen told me the other day in my cam shows that my cock was too small so they didn't want to private with me?

what?

The amount of guys who message me and say "oh you're pretty HOW BIG IS YOUR COCK?" I mean come on guys. Let's be honest, there is nothing feminine or hetero about a penis. Nothing. And I for one am tired being reduced to my penis every time a trans attracted man wnats to talk to me. How can i posibly feel lik this guy isn't gay when all he cares about is cock? Are you serious?

[kittymatthews]

I'm so done having this conversation

You guys just dont understand my sexulaity at all so I'm not going to try to defend it anymore.


i like guys who arent' obsessed with sucking cock and getting fucked.

Not that I wanted to bring this up again but, Cosmic is a total bottom.


And I simply dont understand how you can sit there and call a guy completley heterosexual when the only way he can get off is getting fucked int he ass.

BUt whatever, you guys can validate that as hetero all you want, that's your choice.

[kittymatthews]

Kitty, not to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly where I was trying to go with you during our debate but I chose to digress because I didn't want to start any hard feelings between us. But I totally agree with Indy and Lament. They are definitely more articulate than I am on getting their points across on this subject matter.

Look, you guys are bottoms and so am I. Why you think we'd be compatible is beyond me. There are plenty of Tgirls who are tops that want praise and love for their cock I'm just not one of them. And as I said, unless you're giving me money I'm not gonna pretend to be into it.


None of you guys will convince me to change my mind. I am a very informed person when it concerns my own sexuality and gender identity. You all keep saying you're not asking me to change, so why is this a discussion?

[Indy24]

You brought up a good point, where she draws the line of what is "cock hungry." What she jumped on that ude earlier for saying was excessive imo. He said she had a pretty penis and she throws him in the cock hungry box. If a guy is cock hungry for thinking a ts has a nice penis, 99% of dudes that are into ts are cock hungry. The other 1 % is probably new to ts and will soon get used to/like the cock. I myself was in that 1%, not in the majority.

But if by cock hungry she means a guy that cares about NOTHING but cock, and would take an ugly dude in dress look with a big dick over very hot chick with small, yeah, that is cock hungry and would probably enjoy dudes more than ts if he got over the gay phobia.

But I don't think there are many ts interested dudes that are like that.

Exactly, but another interesting issue comes to mind that seems to be constantly swept under the rug.

And that's with these guys who will have nothing to do with a penis but will fuck a guy in the ass just ass quickly as they would our lovely Ms. Kat here.

I mean you would think that would be a more prevalent issue with women than straight guys who are simply comfortable with a tgirl using her cock.

I love to kiss but that doesn't mean I'm privy to every pair of human lips on the planet. The same should be noted with regard to penis and ass as well, since the fem/weak man discussion has everyone forgetting about the muscle bound Deebo type guys who go back and forth to prison sleeping with guys sometimes forcefully, then going back home to their wives/bm's/girlfriends....

So at end the day, girls and tgirls alike don't really know what they're dealing with a lot of the time when they date what the see as a "real man". And ti only make it worse when they slight guys by deeming them as weak or less of man because of the question of a sexual act that would be done exclusively with them in the first place.

So to quote a wise person "Why be a Knight in shining armor when the average chick will leave you for a DL thug wearing tin foil?"

[Indy24]

I'm so done having this conversation

You guys just dont understand my sexulaity at all so I'm not going to try to defend it anymore.


i like guys who arent' obsessed with sucking cock and getting fucked.

Not that I wanted to bring this up again but, Cosmic is a total bottom.


And I simply dont understand how you can sit there and call a guy completley heterosexual when the only way he can get off is getting fucked int he ass.

BUt whatever, you guys can validate that as hetero all you want, that's your choice.

He can rightfully claim to be hetero because God/nature blessed all men with a fully functioning prostate gland.

Hate to beat a dead horse but this stems back to male anatomy and nature could care less about what society decrees as gay or straight. The fact is TS were born male and that feeling you get when a stiff one hits your prostate gland aka "male g-spot" is the same feeling that all males have to potential of getting. Which is due to direct contact to nerve endings at an orgasms focal point while cutting out the penis as the middle man.

So gay, str8 or trans we all have this organ and it's kind of stupid that someone long ago decided that only gays and ts woman are the only one with permission to utilize it. If that's the case then why do we all have one?

Hell stimulating the prostate directly even helps to prevent prostate cancer. So fuck what anyone else thinks about me using mine.

Fact is people with higher education and IQ's are more likely to try new things sexually then those who lack, so all I can say based on all these discussions is that something else most be going on with you.

That said if I see ts as a woman then the penis is exempt from scrutiny as well. Any other psychological issues that said tranny may have are her problem and not mine.

My part of the bargain was fulfilled from day one.

[onone]

Fact is people with higher education and IQ's are more likely to try new things sexually then those who lack

Do you have a link to that "fact?"

[lament]

I mean come on guys. Let's be honest, there is nothing feminine or hetero about a penis. Nothing.

And herein lies the issue. You have associated the penis as purely a masculine organ, whereas guys who like ts cock do not. To us, it is not unlike the other parts of the woman that we like. Ass, tits, etc. The dick is seen as part of this combo, a part that genetic women do not have. When one stops looking at the penis as a male sex organ and more as an androgynous sexual accessory, liking cock is not liking men, it's just liking cock. If natural females were born with this organ, men would love it because it is a very sexual organ.

I can only speak for myself in saying this, but I'd bet most guys into ts agree that the penis is simply a more intriguing organ than the vagina. Especially since men are visual creatures, and the vagina is a flat surface that doesn't do anything visually stimulating, whereas the penis does.



You view your penis as the one masculine trait you have, and as you want to be as feminine as possible, you resent your penis for this reason. You also resent men who like the thing that you resent. There is a disconnect when you say that you are feminine but your sex organ is not.

[lament]

He can rightfully claim to be hetero because God/nature blessed all men with a fully functioning prostate gland.

Hate to beat a dead horse but this stems back to male anatomy and nature could care less about what society decrees as gay or straight. The fact is TS were born male and that feeling you get when a stiff one hits your prostate gland aka "male g-spot" is the same feeling that all males have to potential of getting. Which is due to direct contact to nerve endings at an orgasms focal point while cutting out the penis as the middle man.

So gay, str8 or trans we all have this organ and it's kind of stupid that someone long ago decided that only gays and ts woman are the only one with permission to utilize it. If that's the case then why do we all have one?

Hell stimulating the prostate directly even helps to prevent prostate cancer. So fuck what anyone else thinks about me using mine.

Fact is people with higher education and IQ's are more likely to try new things sexually then those who lack, so all I can say based on all these discussions is that something else most be going on with you.

That said if I see ts as a woman then the penis is exempt from scrutiny as well. Any other psychological issues that said tranny may have are her problem and not mine.

My part of the bargain was fulfilled from day one.

I think i agree with this assessment. If you define sex with a ts to be heterosexual sex, then any sexual act performed is by definition also heterosexual imo, just as it is technically heterosexual for a female to fuck a guy in the ass with a strap on.

I myself do not consider sex with a ts to me heterosexual, based purely on the scientific definition of sex, which has to do with genetics, not gender roles. You are male, the ts is genetically male, so the sex is technically homosexual, although the gender roles are not the same are typical homosexual sex. This is just semantics, however.

[Indy24]

Do you have a link to that "fact?"

There's several columns on this topic but here's one for starters.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12997/1/Smart-Women-Have-Better-Sex.html

[onone]

There's several columns on this topic but here's one for starters.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12997/1/Smart-Women-Have-Better-Sex.html

You need to come up with a more cogent article than that to support your "fact." That article you posted is an ADMITTED generalization that women with high IQs give better sex, based upon a study detailing that women with higher emotional intelligence give better sex. So there was no direct study of anyone doing anything homosexual or a study of anyone's overall IQ. That article didn't even cite the "study" it used. The person who wrote that article used "generalization" incorrectly. That person did was make a completely unscientific assumption.

[Indy24]

I myself do not consider sex with a ts to me heterosexual, based purely on the scientific definition of sex, which has to do with genetics, not gender roles. You are male, the ts is genetically male, so the sex is technically homosexual, although the gender roles are not the same are typical homosexual sex.

Deductive Reasoning or Deductive Logic is evaluated in terms of it's validity and soundness.

Example:
1. M2F Transsexuals are all born as males.
2. Males who have sex with other males are known as homosexuals.
3. Therefore, Males who have sex with Transsexuals are homosexual.

Another example would be:
1. If love blind and God is love.
2. And Ray Charles is blind.
3. Then it's safe to say that Ray Charles is God.

Both of these arguments are valid but not sound since it's obvious that Ray Charles is not God. And deeming a man who has sex with Transsexual a homosexual while leaving out all the valid information regarding TS females like the "Sex Change Gene" recently discovered by Melbourne Scientist which caused male embryos to develop female characteristics for instance, just because she was born male, makes this deductive argument an unfair and unsound assessment due to the limited amount of factors.

And since the study of transsexualism is still and open book with research that has barely scratched the surface. I'll continue regard it in the grey area and not the gay one.

[Indy24]

You need to come up with a more cogent article than that to support your "fact." That article you posted is an ADMITTED generalization that women with high IQs give better sex, based upon a study detailing that women with higher emotional intelligence give better sex. So there was no direct study of anyone doing anything homosexual or a study of anyone's overall IQ. That article didn't even cite the "study" it used. The person who wrote that article used "generalization" incorrectly. That person did was make a completely unscientific assumption.

My initial source material came from a Comcast On Demand link from either the Learning Channel or Discovery Channel. So if you've got cable, see if it's still there or just Google the subject like I just did.

At this point though it just seems like you're grasping at straws. Even if that comment was ruled as inconclusive it still would hinder my overall stance on the initial issue.

[lament]

Deductive Reasoning or Deductive Logic is evaluated in terms of it's validity and soundness.

Example:
1. M2F Transsexuals are all born as males.
2. Males who have sex with other males are known as homosexuals.
3. Therefore, Males who have sex with Transsexuals are homosexual.

Another example would be:
1. If love blind and God is love.
2. And Ray Charles is blind.
3. Then it's safe to say that Ray Charles is God.

Both of these arguments are valid but not sound since it's obvious that Ray Charles is not God. And deeming a man who has sex with Transsexual a homosexual while leaving out all the valid information regarding TS females like the "Sex Change Gene" recently discovered by Melbourne Scientist which caused male embryos to develop female characteristics for instance, just because she was born male, makes this deductive argument an unfair and unsound assessment due to the limited amount of factors.

And since the study of transsexualism is still and open book with research that has barely scratched the surface. I'll continue regard it in the grey area and not the gay one.


your deductive logic comparison is not a valid comparison at all. The first 3 is a logical line of thinking and is valid. Like "If all boxes are cubes, and i just picked up a box, then that box is a cube." It would be a false assumption to say that "if i picked up a cube, then it is a box." Because all boxes are defined to be cubes, but it is not necessarily true that all cubes are boxes.

That's the sort of reasoning you have in the second logical sequence.

1) since love is blind and god is love, then god is blind
2)Ray charles is blind
3)it is false to assume ray charles is god simply because he is blind. being blind is a requirement of being god, but not a guarantee that one is god. God is blind, but there are things that are blind that are NOT god. By comparison, there are NOT things that are God without being blind. You could say "I am not blind so I am not God," and that would be logical.

It is a scientific fact that M2F transsexuals are genetic males. There are probably genetic factors that influence them to become transsexuals, but that does not change the scientific definition of what a male is. Science has agreed on the "XY sex-determination system," google it and read the wiki page. Basically, if you have xx sex chromosomes, you are female. If you have xy chromosomes, you are male. M2F transsexuals are defined as males, and men who have sex with them are, based on the definition of the terms involved, engaging in homosexual sex.

However, as I said, this is based on the scientific and technical definitions of the terms. These definitions are arbitrary social constructs. They are relative, and you can use your own system to define what your actions for yourself.

Me personally, as a student of science, I like to use general definitions that match mainstream definitions. Language is a tool for people to communicate, and it makes sense that everyone speak the same language. Technically, fucking transsexuals is homosexual. But the key is to not worry about terms and labels, and understand that although genetically male, transsexuals (the hot ones at least) have much more in common with females than males, and that grouping them in with men is based on arbitrary social constructs and definitions of sex, and that humans with xx sex chromosomes don't have a lease on femininity.

[TurboMan]

Look, you guys are bottoms and so am I. Why you think we'd be compatible is beyond me. There are plenty of Tgirls who are tops that want praise and love for their cock I'm just not one of them. And as I said, unless you're giving me money I'm not gonna pretend to be into it.


None of you guys will convince me to change my mind. I am a very informed person when it concerns my own sexuality and gender identity. You all keep saying you're not asking me to change, so why is this a discussion?

Well Damn.. Kitty you can spot them bottom boys by a country mile.

[CosmicTraveler]

lol. Cosmic, i'm not going to go even humor that. For a guy who isn't interested in turning me on you sure do like my cock and you sure do like talking to me a lot.


Wow, what is it with men? You turn them down or express its not what you're into and all the sudden it's "omg, well you're ugly" or "well i dont care".

Ugh. God, the state of men. This thread is about my sexy videos and my webcam shows. So if you're not attracted to me, excuse yourself from the thread and do not contact me again.

Thanks. :)

I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.

[kittymatthews]

I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.

I am not pursuing a career in porn.

The only way i will ever be in porn is a last desperate resort. Webcam Modeling is very different. Similar, but different. You obviously dont know a lot about me if you think i even gave thought to pursuing a carrer in porn.


I'd rather you not talk to me. I'm being real and you're trying to act like you didn't hit on me. I dont have patience for bs. I respect your sexual taste, but i think if you can express yours i can express mine and neither of us should take that personally.




Now, i'd like to mention, i've always said hetero normative and not heterosexual. QUITE different if you ask me.

[kittymatthews]

And herein lies the issue. You have associated the penis as purely a masculine organ, whereas guys who like ts cock do not. To us, it is not unlike the other parts of the woman that we like. Ass, tits, etc. The dick is seen as part of this combo, a part that genetic women do not have. When one stops looking at the penis as a male sex organ and more as an androgynous sexual accessory, liking cock is not liking men, it's just liking cock. If natural females were born with this organ, men would love it because it is a very sexual organ.

I can only speak for myself in saying this, but I'd bet most guys into ts agree that the penis is simply a more intriguing organ than the vagina. Especially since men are visual creatures, and the vagina is a flat surface that doesn't do anything visually stimulating, whereas the penis does.



You view your penis as the one masculine trait you have, and as you want to be as feminine as possible, you resent your penis for this reason. You also resent men who like the thing that you resent. There is a disconnect when you say that you are feminine but your sex organ is not.

No.

The penis itself is the most male of any single part of anyone's body. nothing is more masculine than a penis. Nothing. Period. Perhaps you have started to see it as anything but, but at the end of the day, a penis is a phallus and a phallus is constructed for penetration and penetration is a male action.

As a student of science you should understand why i feel this way. I'm stubborn in my feelings towards bottoms and that will never change. I DO view my penis as feminine, but I view a man's desire for a penis to be the pursuit of a phallus, which is, in my opinion, inherently female

[kittymatthews]

Well Damn.. Kitty you can spot them bottom boys by a country mile.

it's easy to spot a bottom.

I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.

[kilakali]

it's easy to spot a bottom.

I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.

I can only speak for myself I am full top never bottomed never will.. BD, Surfer, Tman, Great1, and Seanchai have stated from previous threads are all tops..

[kittymatthews]

maybe that's why i like them all so much.

Hit my cervix kali. :)

[kilakali]

maybe that's why i like them all so much.

Hit my cervix kali. :)

Lol Now i have been known to tilt a few girls cervix's in my past....:p Funny how you still remember that comment I made..

[kittymatthews]

that's one of those comments that you FEEL . lol

of course i have no clue what you look like so i keep imagining snoop dog, which oddly enough does it for me

[ROC]

da roc hates alot of reading so i try to stay away from threads like this....smiling...



no comment

[kittymatthews]

dont read it, lots of bs

[TurboMan]

it's easy to spot a bottom.

I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.

NOT Me Sister..I don't give azz NEVER have..NEVER will.I get azz!!

[kittymatthews]

NOT Me Sister..I don't give azz NEVER have..NEVER will.I get azz!!

My kinda man. :)

[lament]

I DO view my penis as feminine, but I view a man's desire for a penis to be the pursuit of a phallus, which is, in my opinion, inherently male

That is very, very strange. Tits for instance are feminine, if a guy likes your tits that's okay. Your penis to you is also feminine, and yet it's not okay? Clearly there is some difference between how you view your penis from the rest of your body. If there was not, you'd be okay with a guy like ALL of you.

[lament]

it's easy to spot a bottom.

I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.

lol. You can "love tranny cock" without liking to get fucked by it. My ass is exit only, I'm sure there are many who are the same. You really think 70% of men that like ts are pussy bottoms? I doubt that seriously.

You initial comment to cosmic that started this whole conversation does make sense now, though. Bottom men disgust you, and he is a complete "pussy bottom" that likes your dick.

I kind of do think if a guy only like to get fucked by a ts, he would probably enjoy being with men and is just using ts as a stepping stone/ fill in. But that's just my opinion. Maybe they just like to get fucked without being attracted to men.

[kittymatthews]

"I kind of do think if a guy only like to get fucked by a ts, he would probably enjoy being with men and is just using ts as a stepping stone/ fill in. But that's just my opinion. Maybe they just like to get fucked without being attracted to men. "

THERE YOU FINALLY GET IT!!

That's how i feel. When a guy has a strong preference towards bottoming I cannot HELP but question his sexuality. YOu wanna jerk off with me? Cool. Yu wanna lick my cum up, awesome, but that's very different from the guy who will only be with transsexuals if they fuck them.

i understand male gspot stimulation, but come on. I think its definitely a stepping stone. And I may be dead wrong about that but...i mean... if you like women why wouldn't you like fucking women? I'll never forget i met up with this guy who absolutly hated being a top. HATED IT. he wanted to blow me and possibly get fucked by me, but he didn't want me to give him head and he didnt' want to fuck me

WHAT??

I can't help but question a man's sexuality when their sexual tastes narrow down to just bottoming.

[Experienced]

Too much info here but ANY guy on this forum who isnt attracted by a lady with a cock or to suck cock...... Why the fuck are you not on Playboy or Hustler or any other red-neck mainstream boring site...... :D Anyone in here who claims something else probably doesnt know why they are here in the first place - and no: I dont like a cock up my ass but I also dont like hypocrites..... :mad: nuff said.

[Indy24]

your deductive logic comparison is not a valid comparison at all. The first 3 is a logical line of thinking and is valid. Like "If all boxes are cubes, and i just picked up a box, then that box is a cube." It would be a false assumption to say that "if i picked up a cube, then it is a box." Because all boxes are defined to be cubes, but it is not necessarily true that all cubes are boxes.

That's the sort of reasoning you have in the second logical sequence.

1) since love is blind and god is love, then god is blind
2)Ray charles is blind
3)it is false to assume ray charles is god simply because he is blind. being blind is a requirement of being god, but not a guarantee that one is god. God is blind, but there are things that are blind that are NOT god. By comparison, there are NOT things that are God without being blind. You could say "I am not blind so I am not God," and that would be logical.

It is a scientific fact that M2F transsexuals are genetic males. There are probably genetic factors that influence them to become transsexuals, but that does not change the scientific definition of what a male is. Science has agreed on the "XY sex-determination system," google it and read the wiki page. Basically, if you have xx sex chromosomes, you are female. If you have xy chromosomes, you are male. M2F transsexuals are defined as males, and men who have sex with them are, based on the definition of the terms involved, engaging in homosexual sex.

However, as I said, this is based on the scientific and technical definitions of the terms. These definitions are arbitrary social constructs. They are relative, and you can use your own system to define what your actions for yourself.

Me personally, as a student of science, I like to use general definitions that match mainstream definitions. Language is a tool for people to communicate, and it makes sense that everyone speak the same language. Technically, fucking transsexuals is homosexual. But the key is to not worry about terms and labels, and understand that although genetically male, transsexuals (the hot ones at least) have much more in common with females than males, and that grouping them in with men is based on arbitrary social constructs and definitions of sex, and that humans with xx sex chromosomes don't have a lease on femininity.

Oh.....?

What about women with AIS(Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome)???
Which are females born with vagina's but have XX chromosomes instead of the traditional Y in females and have testis inside them instead of ovaries.

Should any man who falls in love with one of the thousands of woman out there like this be deem gay by a technicality? Well tgirl lovers go through a similar struggle.

The point is there's so much more to a person then their private parts. And generalizing people based solely on their sexual appetite it's the biggest character flaw in the book.

So what good are the tools used to communicate if most people are just hanging on to the limited info they think they know about male and female chromosomes as if that's all there is to gender identity?

Long story short, you've been around long enough to witness the actions and characteristics of your peers to understand that all people born with dicks don't grow to be real men. Just like all females aren't ladies.

So I refuse to except societies idea of TS women.

[WhiteBoyBino]

looking good baby

[Indy24]

I can't help but question a tgirl's psyche when it's her own body part(s) that has her scrutinizing my sex life.

I'm not nursing anyones sexual and psychological hang ups. Your either a female or your not. What man in his right mind is going to sit there and chose arbitrary parts of a Tgirl to embrace.

That defeats the whole point of loving someone. Hell I doubt even handicap couples does that shit!

Plus it's laughable how someone mentions the word "pussy bottom" and everyones up in arms saying "oh well I've never liked cock in my ass" as if your scoring points somewhere. Sure a certain tgirl will give you the traditional pat on the head but about you're self respect?

You guys probably drool at tranny cocks more than the happiest bottom boy in here. So at the end of the day that tgirl just proved how easy it is to get you all by the balls.

I don't know what all these proud Tops are made of but my manhood has never been in my dick or my asshole. I doubt the womanhood born in tgirls is either.

But keep the facade going in sexual positions as you see fit.

[vidman]

Look, you guys are bottoms and so am I. Why you think we'd be compatible is beyond me. There are plenty of Tgirls who are tops that want praise and love for their cock I'm just not one of them. And as I said, unless you're giving me money I'm not gonna pretend to be into it.


None of you guys will convince me to change my mind. I am a very informed person when it concerns my own sexuality and gender identity. You all keep saying you're not asking me to change, so why is this a discussion?


Who's a bottom? I never told you that I was a bottom. I have no problem with men who are bottoms. I don't look at them any differently than I look at a guy who's a top. Are you jumping to conclusions or is your frustration causing you to begin speaking about things you know nothing about?

[ladylong22]

well idk how 2 say this not judging anybodys prefrence or anything but im fully verse some ppl i let TOP me and some i BOTTOM for and some i do both because i learned that i cant be satisfied by just doing just one i like it both ways and i wont cheat myself im not gonna satify somebody and not get satisfied the same way so thats that LOL

[kittymatthews]

Who's a bottom? I never told you that I was a bottom. I have no problem with men who are bottoms. I don't look at them any differently than I look at a guy who's a top. Are you jumping to conclusions or is your frustration causing you to begin speaking about things you know nothing about?

If you're not a bottom, why do you have an issue.

[kittymatthews]

Too much info here but ANY guy on this forum who isnt attracted by a lady with a cock or to suck cock...... Why the fuck are you not on Playboy or Hustler or any other red-neck mainstream boring site...... :D Anyone in here who claims something else probably doesnt know why they are here in the first place - and no: I dont like a cock up my ass but I also dont like hypocrites..... :mad: nuff said.



whos being a hypocrit?

[kittymatthews]

well idk how 2 say this not judging anybodys prefrence or anything but im fully verse some ppl i let TOP me and some i BOTTOM for and some i do both because i learned that i cant be satisfied by just doing just one i like it both ways and i wont cheat myself im not gonna satify somebody and not get satisfied the same way so thats that LOL

Yeah see, and thats fine


for me, orgasm does not equal good sex

[ladylong22]

well nobody knos good sex like i kno good sex see good sex is wen the other person tellany and everybody

[barrym]

I had to put my .02 in on this one.

To me it's a simple matter of respect and communication. If I met Kitty and we were attracted to each other and the relationship progressed to that point we would simply have a conversation about what we like and dislike and what we will and will not do. Hopefully we are compable and rock on but if not, we both move on and hopefully find what we are looking for somewhere else.

I'm a straight top who is attracted to Tgirls and women. I don't know what category that makes me nor do I care. I just know what I like and respect other people's preferences as well.

Oh by the way Kitty, I think you're sexy as hell. Do your thing baby!

[Indy24]

I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.

Double post!

[Indy24]

I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.

Cosmic my Friend this is where you officially lost.

Women like the tgirl in question wants a guy who takes charge. But instead you turned around and handed her the keys instead of driving off and leaving her were she stood.

She initially insulted you and questioned your manhood. And didn't really bother to apologize for it until I mentioned it. So instead of you putting your foot down to some degree, you took the politically correct route as if you're running for congress or something.

Whether it's genetic or trans, as a man you should never give a woman your power! Women look down of guys who kiss their ass. So take this as a valuable lesson..... So what if you flirted with her in the beginning. If the chick doesn't live up to her potential, then that flirting allowed you to see that she wasn't worth your time moving forward. You should've cut her off then, not the other way around since that proved her point about guys who bottom as far as you're concerned.

*Note: I've been TOPPED by numerous tgirls. But I guaran"damn"tee you that they still all knew their place after the fact. There was the occasional bitter tranny who spoke ill of me to her friends. But that usually just opened the door to me fucking their friends LOL!

The Chaser~

[lament]

Cosmic my Friend this is where you officially lost.

Women like the tgirl in question wants a guy who takes charge. But instead you turned around and handed her the keys instead of driving off and leaving her were she stood.

She initially insulted you and questioned your manhood. And didn't really bother to apologize for it until I mentioned it. So instead of you putting your foot down to some degree, you took the politically correct route as if you're running for congress or something.

Whether it's genetic or trans, as a man you should never give a woman your power! Women look down of guys who kiss their ass. So take this as a valuable lesson..... So what if you flirted with her in the beginning. If the chick doesn't live up to her potential, then that flirting allowed you to see that she wasn't worth your time moving forward. You should've cut her off then, not the other way around since that proved her point about guys who bottom as far as you're concerned.

*Note: I've been TOPPED by numerous tgirls. But I guaran"damn"tee you that they still all knew their place after the fact. There was the occasional bitter tranny who spoke ill of me to her friends. But that usually just opened the door to me fucking their friends LOL!

The Chaser~


I don't "look down" on guys that like to bottom to ts girls, nor do I think of them as "less that real men." But if a guy enjoys NOTHING but being a bottom, to me i think most people like that would be just as, of not moreso, satisfied with a man. I might be wrong in this opinion.

[Indy24]

Okay.....unless somebody in here has more than one profile. I doubt any acusations where ever directed to you. Hence the term "said tgirl" in the last post you commented on.


Wow......the post in here get stranger and stranger.

[kittymatthews]

I am so glad that Lament undersatnd what I'm saying now. Come on guys.

I offer you head, tits and a tight ass to fuck and all you want is dick? Come on now. I can't NOT question your sexuality and man hood at that point. Sorry. I mean, i dont want to be a bitch and well, i guess i am one simply for being so strict but come on. What kind of man doesn't like to fuck?? I dont get that. I've met guys like that and it's just confusing to me. Why kind of man would have such a strong preference to being topped by tgirls? Why is it so strange to say that a man who has that preference would enjoy men as well if not more. I think we all know a man is sooner to fuck you than a tranny.

[Indy24]

Yeah, yeah....tell that to all the beautiful Tgirls out there who strictly top.

The irony is that there's a large amount of gay men in relationships who don't like sodomy at all.

This generalization of other people preferences is ignorant at best which the OP has already admitted to on more than one occasion in this thread.
"Because that's the way she feels"

Well my feeling on the subject is that if guys who know better still entertain such nonsense, then by default you become weaker than the guys she holds in contempt.

Mind you this isn't even about preference. It's about ignorance and disrespect.

Where do some of these Tgirls come off calling most of the guys they do attract, less of a man, while the rest of society is calling them anything but a actual woman?

Doesn't make to much sense when you look at the bigger picture does it?

So once again to Cosmic and all the other "straight men" who embrace tranny cock. At the end of the day, when the bs people say doesn't add up with a calculator. Just learn when to subtract....


The Chaser~

[kittymatthews]

The discussions in this thread are a perfect example of the fact that sexuality and gender and not so clear cut.

I never let society define who I am and how i feel about gender or sex. I feel the way I feel because it's how i feel and I reserve my right to view cock hungry pussy bottoms as women. Sure, maybe that's disrespectful, but when the vast majority of men who pursue you are more interested in your dick than they are the thousands of other feminine parts of your body, i am lead to draw only one conclusion. Sorry. That's how I feel. It's not about men who are verse or men who embrace tranny cock it's men who feel as though a transsexual isn't worth their time if they do not want to use their cock in intercourse. To me when that is a deal breaker, and I'm sorry that offends you but that's how it is. It just is how it is. And the way society views my gender absolutely does not effect how i view gender. If it did, then i wouldn't be a transsexual.


i am allowed to feel like men who are stictly bottoms are less than men. Just as other people are allowed to feel i am less than a woman for having a penis.

[lament]

Actually, after thinking about it, it is not necessarily true that a guy that is a pure bottom to ts would just as easily like to be with a man. You can like anal sex without being attracted to manly features.

[kittymatthews]

sure you can but can you at least understand how i can feel that way when despite my obviously feminine features a guy just wants dick? and dick is inherintly male? Can you understand how i can come to the decision that a man who is a total bottom could easily have sex with a man

Besides, while your ass is your gspot, it most certainly isn't a natural way to to achieve orgasm. Well at least not the way your body is engineered at least

[Indy24]

sure you can but can you at least understand how i can feel that way when despite my obviously feminine features a guy just wants dick? and dick is inherintly male? Can you understand how i can come to the decision that a man who is a total bottom could easily have sex with a man

Besides, while your ass is your gspot, it most certainly isn't a natural way to to achieve orgasm. Well at least not the way your body is engineered at least

Hmm....Well can we get a "licensed" Proctologist in here please?

[kittymatthews]

are you going to make the argument that the body is engineered to and constructed so that the anus is a primary source of creating an orgasm?

[Indy24]

are you going to make the argument that the body is engineered to and constructed so that the anus is a primary source of creating an orgasm?

That makes no sense....

But for sake of argument. Would losing such a debate stop you from using your anus????

Or is your ridiculous rebuttal only to target everyone else born male who uses theirs....

[kittymatthews]

You're not going to convince me that anal sex is in any way shape or form helps reproduction, which is the very reason our bodies are constructed the way they are. ]
You're not going to win. So please stop>

[Indy24]

You're not going to convince me that anal sex is in any way shape or form helps reproduction, which is the very reason our bodies are constructed the way they are. ]
You're not going to win. So please stop>

"HOLY GRASPING AT STRAWS BATMAN!"

What in the blue hell does reproduction have to do with a man and a transsexual woman having any form of sexual contact?

[kittymatthews]

Aye.

Do I need to restate my feelings about sex?

Do i need to remind you how i view myself and how i view heterosexuality?


Listen, I dont understand how a man could be a pussy bottom and you can't understand how a transsexual can have a heteronormative sexuality. '


So what's the point in trying to figure it out?'

I'm tired of explaining myself. if you want cock in your ass go get some.

[Indy24]

Aye.

Do I need to restate my feelings about sex?

Do i need to remind you how i view myself and how i view heterosexuality?


Listen, I dont understand how a man could be a pussy bottom and you can't understand how a transsexual can have a heteronormative sexuality. '


So what's the point in trying to figure it out?'

I'm tired of explaining myself. if you want cock in your ass go get some.

Naw, I've actually only been dealing with girls with "vagina's" lately. You know the traditional pussy with bottoms...Some how the real use for dick got lost in your hypocritical rant.

But hey you do likewise LOL!

[kittymatthews]

No, there's an explanation i just feel like it's like shooting a dead horse.

[vidman]

You're not going to convince me that anal sex is in any way shape or form helps reproduction, which is the very reason our bodies are constructed the way they are. ]
You're not going to win. So please stop>

But Kitty, you are incredibly wrong which is why Indy said, "what you said makes no sense." Your ass is NOT your G-Spot. Sorry ma. What you are pertaining to is the male prostate gland. This gland, in the male body, is the equivalent to the Grafenberg Spot of a female. Named after the German Dr. Grafengerg who first spoke about this mysterious erogenous area of the female anatomy.

[thegirlnextdoor]

i never thought i would but im currently talking to a guy who is verse.he still acts like a man and keeps me in my place like one so im good lol.

[kittymatthews]

But Kitty, you are incredibly wrong which is why Indy said, "what you said makes no sense." Your ass is NOT your G-Spot. Sorry ma. What you are pertaining to is the male prostate gland. This gland, in the male body, is the equivalent to the Grafenberg Spot of a female. Named after the German Dr. Grafengerg who first spoke about this mysterious erogenous area of the female anatomy.

im so done having this conversation

I FUCKING KNOW THAT ALREADY

Aye.

I dont like bottoms ok , lets drop it aye

[onone]

i never thought i would but im currently talking to a guy who is verse.he still acts like a man and keeps me in my place like one so im good lol.

LOL that guy probably has a looser booty than you.

[lament]

Besides, while your ass is your gspot, it most certainly isn't a natural way to to achieve orgasm. Well at least not the way your body is engineered at least

So why do you do it/enjoy it?

[kilakali]

that's one of those comments that you FEEL . lol

of course i have no clue what you look like so i keep imagining snoop dog, which oddly enough does it for me

I heard we do favor....:p

[Indy24]

So why do you do it/enjoy it?

My point exactly!

Assholes are endogenous, meaning everyone has one. Not just stubborn uneducated TS with identity issue.

Even the Admin called her out on that naive shit.

If you wanna be eye candy to some of these guys, then fine just smile at the camera then. But you're not gonna dictate or condemn what the next "human" does with their body with a "willing" participant.

No one cares what you like, insulting people was the main issue here.
And since some TS aren't as far in their transition as they perceive it to be, they may wanna re frame from those "pussy bottom" comments while in a glass house.

[kittymatthews]

OK here you go you pathetic sad little faggot bottom.

Since you cannot understand where i"m comming from I will break it down SO SO SO SO SO SO simply and clearly so that you understand where I"m comming from

But before I go there, these are MY feelings. This is how I feel about my sexuality. They are not based in facts, they are based in feelings.And if you hear that and you're STILL trying unclear where i'm comming from, then I have no choice but to mark you down and a complete and utter dumbass. Some people can never get over their own dumbassery so I will feel nothing but pity for you if after I explain it, you STILL dont get it.


So here we go


I am a woman.

Transgendered or not, I am a woman.

Because I view myself as a woman, i seek the role of a woman, sexually.

The male and female bodies are built to perpetuate the species.

Men are made to and designed physically to be able to fertilize a woman's egg. They do that by penetrating them.

That creates the idea, my idea and I'd wager, most people's idea that men penetrate and women are penetrated.

Looking at the model I just described to you, anal stimulation is absolutely useless. Stimulating yourself anally does not function in a way that perpetuates your race. While you may have an erogenous zone in your anus, stimulation of that zone is not conducive to reproduction. Thus making it taboo.

Now taking all of that, let's go back to me

As a woman who considers herself a woman, a heterosexual one at that, I seek to echo the role of a cis gendered woman. I can already hear people referring to me as delusional or uninformed or ignorant or naive for feeling the way I feel about my gender. But remember, at the very foundation of a transsexual woman (at least most) is the desire to be a -woman-. It isn't to exist as a "chick with a dick" or a cock with a woman attached. It is to be a woman.

Now, being someone who considers herself a woman, any variation outside of what I consider to be female is absolutely a turn off to me. That is how I feel and I will absoltuely not appologize for that. I'm so sick of men trying to tell me that because I have a penis I should use it.

You can argue with me til the sun goes down, but I will still feel men who seek out transsexuals with the primary reason of being bottoms and penetrating would be far better off being with men. You will sooner find a man to fuck you than you will a transsexual. Being a transsexual woman, I can only speak from my own perspective and I do not judge or have feelings towards women who are primarily top or enjoy topping. That has nothing to do with me.


Listen Indy, you came into my thread and you're talking about my preference and trying to get me to see things your way. Sorry bud it's not gonna work. I can acknowledge how i feel about things is extreme and i can acknowledge that my reaction to cosmic was, perhaps unreasonable. I have apologized for that.


I have had probably more sex than you will ever have in your entire life. And I do not exaggerate when I say this. I know what i like I and know what I do not like. And it's that simple. I am not naive when it comes to sex. I am not naive when it comes to a trans attracted man's intentions. I have experience that far surpasses your experience facing these issues as you are not a transsexual.

Furthermore, how dare you comment or critique my transition. If you dont think I'm "far along" then that's on you. But honey, I am a transsexual and I think that's pretty fucking evident in the way I speak about my gender and sex. I reserve the right to condem every little pussy faggot who is obsessed with tranny cock. I have expressed several times, this isn't about men who are verse or curious. It's about men who legitimately narrow a woman down to her penis. And you can act like there aren't a lot of men who are like that, but trust me when I say that THERE ARE.

I seek normalcy in my life. You may live in this mindset where trans women aren't allowed to feel the way I feel because we're trans, but I absolutely reseve the right to feel the way I feel. and just because you want me to feel a different way doesn't make the way i feel invalid.


Now please. Let this horse fucking die. I dont like bottoms, lets move on. IT's been beaten to death and raped analy to the point where it's intestines are no longer intact. Let's just let it die. I'm just sick of having this conversation. If you want to go get fucked in the ass by huge transseuxla cock, by all means, do it. Please do it. I beg of you. All I"m asking is dont come to me and ask me to do it for you becuase i wont.

[GroobySteven]

OK here you go you pathetic sad little faggot bottom.


You are on a warning, Kitty.

Name calling and respect goes both ways. "Onone" got a ban for doing this to you - and I'm sure you don't want to be treat any different to anybody else.

[kittymatthews]

You are on a warning, Kitty.

Name calling and respect goes both ways. "Onone" got a ban for doing this to you - and I'm sure you don't want to be treat any different to anybody else.

Absolutely not and as previously stated, if you want to ban me, ban me. Cuz no one's going to get a away with questioning my transition without being read for filth.

[GroobySteven]

Absolutely not and as previously stated, if you want to ban me, ban me. Cuz no one's going to get a away with questioning my transition without being read for filth.

Like I said, you'll get a ban if you use that sort of language to people again.
Your call.

[Ms Remy M]

Absolutely not and as previously stated, if you want to ban me, ban me. Cuz no one's going to get a away with questioning my transition without being read for filth.

There is a thing called "Being the bigger person". You should remember that you are on a Trans Porn Forum, and some will/wont agree with you. I've given up on trying to change peoples perceptions for the most part, because it amounted to nothing more than me frustrated in the end. Respect is always universal though, you can have a debate, state your opinions without reducing yourself to "name-calling". :cool:

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[lament]

OK here you go you pathetic sad little faggot bottom.



An intolerant, prejudiced transsexual. What is the world coming to..

[kittymatthews]

An intolerant, prejudiced transsexual. What is the world coming to..

that's me!

[mrmister4]

do your thing....to many positive folks here to let one get on your nerves......

[mrmister4]

that's me!i hear ya....

[thepiedpiper]

I think a few people are beyond debating with you Kitty and prefer to make the comments they do in order to get a rise out of you because a lot of the time you have been obliging.

Like Ms Remy suggested be the bigger person as eventually most of the dudes trying to wind you the wrong way will get bored of the non response and coversate about something else. I will say kudos for continuing to defend yourself but I'm sure it can't be good emotionally in the end. I wouldnt want to make the comment that your weak at heart as your responses certainly suggest not but the amount grief that you seem to receive is enough to make anyone take what happens in this forum away from their computer.

I suppose in the now immortal world of imageboards stop feeding the trolls Kitty! :P lol

Out of curiosity though... I do agree that defamatory language from forum users should warrant a warning but Sean, what about the remarks about Kitty's transition should they not be viewed in the same way?

[GroobySteven]

Out of curiosity though... I do agree that defamatory language from forum users should warrant a warning but Sean, what about the remarks about Kitty's transition should they not be viewed in the same way?

They were dealt with and the offender was kicked off the board.

Your raising that was dealt with last week - don't come on an stir it again, check in daily!