PDA

View Full Version : Why do trannys hate tranny chasers?



ohghana
04-22-2011, 10:01 AM
I find it funny that trannys hate tranny chasers but when they fuck different dicks is all good. I mean if u aint in a relationship with someone why would u care who u fucked with in the past even if its alot of trannys? can anybody answer that for me?

thegirlnextdoor
04-22-2011, 10:55 AM
damn public education

GroobySteven
04-22-2011, 11:19 AM
I find it funny that trannys hate tranny chasers but when they fuck different dicks is all good. I mean if u aint in a relationship with someone why would u care who u fucked with in the past even if its alot of trannys? can anybody answer that for me?

Because it reminds them that this person wants to be with them specifically because they ARE a tranny/tgirl. They are looking for guys who want to be with them as girls, which is what they identify as.
You can bring in all the other bollocks ... "they work as TS models/escorts selling their cock", "they are different and they should use that", "they should be into guys that are into them", blah blah ... but it's irrelevant on how somebody feels. Transgenders more than anyone need validation on who they are, validation comes from passing as a female AND being attractive to a "straight" male because of their femininity, not as a sexual object as a "chick with a dick".

In my experience, most tgirls aren't as bothered that you've dated a tgirl as much as your attitude when dating, communicating with her.

ladylong22
04-22-2011, 11:20 AM
reason why is because 9 times out of 10 a tranny chaser will try to have you and your other tranny friends and then try to fuck wit you all over again in most cases of tranny chasing you and all trannys you kno and seen before will be victims of needious tranny chasing

Ms Remy M
04-22-2011, 01:32 PM
Tranny chasers are just trying to get their fantasy/nut satisfied. No lasting relationship is going to be had from a guy only interested in fucking the next hot trans they see. Which is why clients are always 'x' off the list from the moment you call the escort's line.

----------------
Now playing: A Perfect Circle - Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm Of The WarDrums (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/a+perfect+circle/track/counting+bodies+like+sheep+to+the+rhythm+of+the+wa rdrums)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

GroobySteven
04-22-2011, 01:40 PM
Tranny chasers are just trying to get their fantasy/nut satisfied. No lasting relationship is going to be had from a guy only interested in fucking the next hot trans they see. Which is why clients are always 'x' off the list from the moment you call the escort's line.


Depends how you define a tranny chaser.
That would be a "tranny chaser player".

What do you call someone who is just trans-attracted and has dated a few tgirls? He doesn't want to be stereotyped as a tranny chaser as he's not just fullfilling his fantasy yet many girls, because he's trans-attracted would classify him as that. It's the same as a black girl calling out a white guy because he prefers to date black women, just because that's his preference - he's not necessarily just using them to get his fantasy fulfilled but we all date within our preferences until we find the right one?

onone
04-22-2011, 01:52 PM
I think trannies want to feel special as if the guy made an exception just for them. :D

It seems to me that it would be difficult to be anything other than a tranny chaser if you are into trannies but not willing to be part of the gay community. Men have been "chasing skirts" forever, and women are everywhere you look. Trannies are a much smaller community so a guy with player tendencies will most likely get a reputation in the tranny community like a "jock" gets on a college campus amongst the ladies. Everyone knows one another.

If you really look deep, there are plenty of other dating pool populations that mirror that of transexuals. For instance, you have some women that are really into guys that work out, so they make their way around the gym community which consists of personal trainers, strippers, and amateur athletes. You have some women that are just into criminals so they make their way around every hood in their city. We call those hoodrats... :)

Ms Remy M
04-22-2011, 02:10 PM
Depends how you define a tranny chaser.
That would be a "tranny chaser player".

What do you call someone who is just trans-attracted and has dated a few tgirls? He doesn't want to be stereotyped as a tranny chaser as he's not just fullfilling his fantasy yet many girls, because he's trans-attracted would classify him as that. It's the same as a black girl calling out a white guy because he prefers to date black women, just because that's his preference - he's not necessarily just using them to get his fantasy fulfilled but we all date within our preferences until we find the right one?

We've defined 'what' a tranny chaser is in previous threads, so I skipped that portion of topic here. I will fully admit that some girls do use the term for instances it may not apply, like your example. At the end of the day, it's more about whether you were in lasting relationships with these girls, or just flings and one night stands. Despite that, it does take a really understanding person to be able to handle the fact that their lover has slept with all their friends. Most guys wouldn't like it if their friends came over talking about how they loved banging his wife.

----------------
Now playing: A Perfect Circle - When the Levee Breaks (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/a+perfect+circle/track/when+the+levee+breaks)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

kittymatthews
04-22-2011, 02:22 PM
Sean hit it right on the head!
Tranny chaser are obsessed with fucking girls with dicks. So much so that they dont stop to think about the person's humanity or the reality of their transition. They devalue them as people and view them as objects.

I like trans attracted men. Men who just happen to be interested in transsexuals but aren't to the point where it is an obsession or a fetish.

thegreat1
04-22-2011, 04:45 PM
What ts women fail to realize is that many 'tranny chasers' aren't 'tranny chasers'...they display the same actions with biological women...so if you just HAVE to label them then they're womanizers in general...I bet not many ts women have thought about it that way because its easier to go along with the typical 'we're mistreated' mentality when its not really applicable in this situation...not saying that ts women aren't mistreated (that'd be naive)...just not in THIS particular instance

Indy24
04-23-2011, 12:43 AM
When I first heard the word, it kinda bothered me.

Until I took a step back and got a closer look at the tgirls who used the word.
Then after a while I said "fuck it" and just took ownership of the phrase using it as I see fit. Sure a couple of tgirls voiced their dislike of me using it. But over all this did nothing negative to my social life.

To me "Tranny Chaser" is an abstract term, indirect in most cases. So other than the traditional scorned TS heart felt rant. The word doesn't really hold much weight anymore. Just look at the term "hater". Hell even haters are claiming to be hated on now so where's the value in it?

So a rule of thumb in this scenario would be that "One TS's chaser is another Tgirls Knight in shining armor"

vidman
04-23-2011, 05:36 AM
Depends how you define a tranny chaser.
That would be a "tranny chaser player".

What do you call someone who is just trans-attracted and has dated a few tgirls? He doesn't want to be stereotyped as a tranny chaser as he's not just fullfilling his fantasy yet many girls, because he's trans-attracted would classify him as that. It's the same as a black girl calling out a white guy because he prefers to date black women, just because that's his preference - he's not necessarily just using them to get his fantasy fulfilled but we all date within our preferences until we find the right one?


You described me perfectly Seanchai. I am the trans-attracted guy you speak of and I despise being called a tranny chaser. What's the difference between a man that loves transsexuals and a man that loves biological women? Do you call them pussy chasers? I've never heard one biogirl refer to a guy who is attempting to talk to every piece of pussy at the club, a pussy chaser. I think that when transsexuals use terms like these, they are doing more damage to themselves. They are now ostracising themselves.

vidman
04-23-2011, 05:37 AM
What ts women fail to realize is that many 'tranny chasers' aren't 'tranny chasers'...they display the same actions with biological women...so if you just HAVE to label them then they're womanizers in general...I bet not many ts women have thought about it that way because its easier to go along with the typical 'we're mistreated' mentality when its not really applicable in this situation...not saying that ts women aren't mistreated (that'd be naive)...just not in THIS particular instance

My point exactly G1!!!! Excellent!

Ms Remy M
04-23-2011, 02:44 PM
whether you call a guy like this a tranny chaser or a womanizer the end result is still the same. No one wants to waste time with someone just looking for sex. No, guys who engage in real relationships with different trans over different periods of time are not tranny chasers.

However; the purpose of the thread isn't about what a tranny chaser/womanizer is, it's why tgirls hate tranny chasers/womanizer. None of the guys here would marry a woman that has slept with all of his friends and many untold others, so stop getting offended when the tgirls feel the same. Go tell your gf or wife that you have fucked or even just fantasize about fucking her friends, and see what happens. :cool:

----------------
Now playing: The Cure - grinding halt (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+cure/track/grinding+halt)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

MrF
04-23-2011, 03:02 PM
whether you call a guy like this a tranny chaser or a womanizer the end result is still the same. No one wants to waste time with someone just looking for sex. No, guys who engage in real relationships with different trans over different periods of time are not tranny chasers.

However; the purpose of the thread isn't about what a tranny chaser/womanizer is, it's why tgirls hate tranny chasers/womanizer. None of the guys here would marry a woman that has slept with all of his friends and many untold others, so stop getting offended when the tgirls feel the same. Go tell your gf or wife that you have fucked or even just fantasize about fucking her friends, and see what happens. :cool:


Good point.

I'm wondering if tgirls have less of a range of options, though, when sorting through the men who express interest ? Because many of the tgirls in this forum and elsewhere leave the impression that this is a common problem. Over a few-year span, I knew two tgirls who told me they basically gave up dating men and mainly date women now (which makes them a trans-lesbian).

thegreat1
04-23-2011, 03:27 PM
whether you call a guy like this a tranny chaser or a womanizer the end result is still the same. No one wants to waste time with someone just looking for sex. No, guys who engage in real relationships with different trans over different periods of time are not tranny chasers.

However; the purpose of the thread isn't about what a tranny chaser/womanizer is, it's why tgirls hate tranny chasers/womanizer. None of the guys here would marry a woman that has slept with all of his friends and many untold others, so stop getting offended when the tgirls feel the same. Go tell your gf or wife that you have fucked or even just fantasize about fucking her friends, and see what happens. :cool:

----------------
Now playing: The Cure - grinding halt (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+cure/track/grinding+halt)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)


Never said it was okay or that they should accept it...I just presented another way of looking at it...to each his own...I'm not here to judge what a dude does or how the girl reacts, just an a mere 'outside the box' point of view

kittymatthews
04-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Good point.

I'm wondering if tgirls have less of a range of options, though, when sorting through the men who express interest ? Because many of the tgirls in this forum and elsewhere leave the impression that this is a common problem. Over a few-year span, I knew two tgirls who told me they basically gave up dating men and mainly date women now (which makes them a trans-lesbian).

Well, i think for a lot of people transition opens their mind to dating women. At least that's what i've gathered.

Men care a lot about their image. And I guess so do women, but like...see...most guys, they want this girl that is so hot even his friends want to fuck her. lol. I mean, guys put a lot of pressure on trans women. Even if they're passable and they have all their stuff together, guys tend to make a girl jump through hoops just so prove they're worth it. I go through it all the time and it boggles my mind how i get hit on by guys who dont know i'm trans more often than guys who know i'm trans. I think that says a lot about trans attracted men.

If I liked chicks, i'd go for it. Seems like its much easier and with much more understanding. lol. Some guys are just waaay too immature.

Indy24
04-23-2011, 06:46 PM
whether you call a guy like this a tranny chaser or a womanizer the end result is still the same. No one wants to waste time with someone just looking for sex. No, guys who engage in real relationships with different trans over different periods of time are not tranny chasers.

However; the purpose of the thread isn't about what a tranny chaser/womanizer is, it's why tgirls hate tranny chasers/womanizer. None of the guys here would marry a woman that has slept with all of his friends and many untold others, so stop getting offended when the tgirls feel the same. Go tell your gf or wife that you have fucked or even just fantasize about fucking her friends, and see what happens. :cool:

----------------
Now playing: The Cure - grinding halt (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+cure/track/grinding+halt)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)


No one?

Yeah well This Chaser would have to disagree.

Not to long ago I ask one of my regular TS friends who a see occasionally if the strip regarded me as a Chaser.

She said:"Naw Boo, you're no chaser I can't stand Chasers." Then she pulled her panties down and ever so eloquently guided me to her region LMAO.

The irony is that the first time we hooked up she asked if her girlfriend could get some to! And these were no busted looking beginners either. These Tgirls are bad!

To be honest I thought they were trying to set me up and rob me or something. But fast forward to today and all my regulars still love me, or my company rather.... And they all know my M.O. here in Philly/south NJ. Some are strictly top and some are strictly bottom(oddly none are verse) Some have a man and some are single and just looking for some body maintenance. But there isn't a weekend where I don't get a face book message from somebody asking "When am I gonna see you again?"

So speak for yourself with your rants please, because I'm living proof you can't be a legitimate womanizer w/o a consensual woman.

The Chaser~

GroobySteven
04-23-2011, 07:31 PM
No one?

Yeah well This Chaser would have to disagree.

Not to long ago I ask one of my regular TS friends who a see occasionally if the strip regarded me as a Chaser.

She said:"Naw Boo, you're no chaser I can't stand Chasers." Then she pulled her panties down and ever so eloquently guided me to her region LMAO.

The irony is that the first time we hooked up she asked if her girlfriend could get some to! And these were no busted looking beginners either. These Tgirls are bad!

To be honest I thought they were trying to set me up and rob me or something. But fast forward to today and all my regulars still love me, or my company rather.... And they all know my M.O. here in Philly/south NJ. Some are strictly top and some are strictly bottom(oddly none are verse) Some have a man and some are single and just looking for some body maintenance. But there isn't a weekend where I don't get a face book message from somebody asking "When am I gonna see you again?"

So speak for yourself with your rants please, because I'm living proof you can't be a legitimate womanizer w/o a consensual woman.

The Chaser~

Is money a factor in your hookups?

thegirlnextdoor
04-23-2011, 07:38 PM
Is money a factor in your hookups?

.......lol

Indy24
04-24-2011, 03:15 AM
Is money a factor in your hookups?

Not in the last 6-7 years it hasn't.

I'm the type who's cool with just watching porn and taking care of myself afterwards since it's your safest bet these days. So why throw money away when the reality of meeting a woman is rarely as good as the fantasy you've prearranged?

Add that determination with a little trial and error and I became a part of their inner circle before I knew it. Mind you, 95% of the tgirls I've had sex with have had some type of ties with the sex industry. Yet I haven't paid a dime sense "04 or 05".

Hell some even offer gas money for taking them home. Sure most will test you when you first meet since it's hardwired in them to do so but if you're game is tight and you stand your ground your success rate will eventually increase.

Long story short, if I don't have to pay for pussy why in the blue hell would I pay for ts cock???

vidman
04-24-2011, 04:30 AM
Not in the last 6-7 years it hasn't.

I'm the type who's cool with just watching porn and taking care of myself afterwards since it's your safest bet these days. So why throw money away when the reality of meeting a woman is rarely as good as the fantasy you've prearranged?

Add that determination with a little trial and error and I became a part of their inner circle before I knew it. Mind you, 95% of the tgirls I've had sex with have had some type of ties with the sex industry. Yet I haven't paid a dime sense "04 or 05".

Hell some even offer gas money for taking them home. Sure most will test you when you first meet since it's hardwired in them to do so but if you're game is tight and you stand your ground your success rate will eventually increase.

Long story short, if I don't have to pay for pussy why in the blue hell would I pay for ts cock???

BINGO!!!!! Indy, I like your style my man. I have NEVER paid for play. I don't intend on doing it now and I don't plan on it ever. Sex is free my man. Whoever told you it wasn't is getting duped, big time!!!:eek:

thegirlnextdoor
04-24-2011, 07:56 AM
BINGO!!!!! Indy, I like your style my man. I have NEVER paid for play. I don't intend on doing it now and I don't plan on it ever. Sex is free my man. Whoever told you it wasn't is getting duped, big time!!!:eek:

lol...who ever told you sex was free is duping you big time.whether or not your paying a flat fee or dinner,movies and a bottle its still money.

GroobySteven
04-24-2011, 08:02 AM
Not in the last 6-7 years it hasn't.

I'm the type who's cool with just watching porn and taking care of myself afterwards since it's your safest bet these days. So why throw money away when the reality of meeting a woman is rarely as good as the fantasy you've prearranged?

Add that determination with a little trial and error and I became a part of their inner circle before I knew it. Mind you, 95% of the tgirls I've had sex with have had some type of ties with the sex industry. Yet I haven't paid a dime sense "04 or 05".

Hell some even offer gas money for taking them home. Sure most will test you when you first meet since it's hardwired in them to do so but if you're game is tight and you stand your ground your success rate will eventually increase.

Long story short, if I don't have to pay for pussy why in the blue hell would I pay for ts cock???

Cool - just checking!!! I totally agree and I think as long as you are confident and comfortable with yourself, then there are plenty of people not into the pay for play scene.

GroobySteven
04-24-2011, 08:05 AM
lol...who ever told you sex was free is duping you big time.whether or not your paying a flat fee or dinner,movies and a bottle its still money.

Nah, that's rubbish and self-perpetuating. If you believe that, then you'll only date guys who reach in their pocket for you ... and guys who might be interested in you but have a different perspective on life would either be thrown out by you or not interested as they'd perceive you as a money grabber.

When I dated, I'd be happy enough to pay for dinner, movie, etc. but if she wasn't reaching into her pocket by the second date to at least offer to pay, buy the popcorn, buy a round of drinks, then she was out - her loss.

vidman
04-24-2011, 09:51 AM
Nah, that's rubbish and self-perpetuating. If you believe that, then you'll only date guys who reach in their pocket for you ... and guys who might be interested in you but have a different perspective on life would either be thrown out by you or not interested as they'd perceive you as a money grabber.

When I dated, I'd be happy enough to pay for dinner, movie, etc. but if she wasn't reaching into her pocket by the second date to at least offer to pay, buy the popcorn, buy a round of drinks, then she was out - her loss.

Bravo Seanchai!

vidman
04-24-2011, 10:02 AM
lol...who ever told you sex was free is duping you big time.whether or not your paying a flat fee or dinner,movies and a bottle its still money.


Ma, If I take a girl out then she is my girlfriend, as in serious relationship. Or we're working on something serious. But a girl that I meet on BGC or a website like that who saw my pictures and thought I was hot and likewise, I thought she was hot? Never spent a dime. Like I said, sex is free. If it's understood that its just a hook up, then money isn't an issue. Like Indy said in a previous post, a lot of girls like to chill and have fun simply because the guy is cool as hell and fun to hang out with. They don't care about receiving money from me because the mutual fondness far exceeds any amount of money. If all it takes for me to hook up with you my lil gorgeous "girlnextdoor" is a couple of dollars then maybe I should reconsider my philosophy. You are definitely worth a few bills.

thegirlnextdoor
04-24-2011, 10:10 AM
Ma, If I take a girl out then she is my girlfriend, as in serious relationship. Or we're working on something serious. But a girl that I meet on BGC or a website like that who saw my pictures and thought I was hot and likewise, I thought she was hot? Never spent a dime. Like I said, sex is free. If it's understood that its just a hook up, then money isn't an issue. Like Indy said in a previous post, a lot of girls like to chill and have fun simply because the guy is cool as hell and fun to hang out with. They don't care about receiving money from me because the mutual fondness far exceeds any amount of money. If all it takes for me to hook up with you my lil gorgeous "girlnextdoor" is a couple of dollars then maybe I should reconsider my philosophy. You are definitely worth a few bills.

well im not really the hook up type anymore so i dont know.i know if a man wants to get up in this then hes going to have to put in some work.im the type of chick that holds my own so i expect him to do the same.even if i was the type to freak off if your trying to beat than the least you can do is take me out first (grey goose and patron all night).
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps" lol.

kittymatthews
04-24-2011, 11:01 AM
me and TGND have the same philosophy. :)

GroobySteven
04-24-2011, 12:28 PM
well im not really the hook up type anymore so i dont know.i know if a man wants to get up in this then hes going to have to put in some work.im the type of chick that holds my own so i expect him to do the same.even if i was the type to freak off if your trying to beat than the least you can do is take me out first (grey goose and patron all night).
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps" lol.

Anybody who expects to be "taken out first" then you are not a "chick who holds her own" - you are showing yourself only to be available for "chumps" who pay for you. It's much more prevelent in USA than Europe, when you go on a first date in the UK and most of Northern Europe most women would "go Dutch" as not only does that show more respect for their date, more importantly it shows their own self-respect. They aren't whores, they can't be bought.
I have met women like this in the USA also, as I said, the other ones who expect everything were dumped very fast, to their loss. They'll end up with some "chump" who can't get a woman other than impressing her with money.

Indy24
04-24-2011, 01:44 PM
Ma, If I take a girl out then she is my girlfriend, as in serious relationship. Or we're working on something serious. But a girl that I meet on BGC or a website like that who saw my pictures and thought I was hot and likewise, I thought she was hot? Never spent a dime. Like I said, sex is free. If it's understood that its just a hook up, then money isn't an issue. Like Indy said in a previous post, a lot of girls like to chill and have fun simply because the guy is cool as hell and fun to hang out with. They don't care about receiving money from me because the mutual fondness far exceeds any amount of money. If all it takes for me to hook up with you my lil gorgeous "girlnextdoor" is a couple of dollars then maybe I should reconsider my philosophy. You are definitely worth a few bills.

To trick or not to trick....

Surrendering your power doesn't win attractive women over.

Especially when "grey goose and patron all night" is all it takes to make a persons stance on casual sex sound contradictory by "anti-hook up" principal.

Lovely she may be but even Chasers should have standards. And I personally find women who smoke or drink all the time to be a bit of a turn off...

Ms Remy M
04-24-2011, 03:48 PM
I do agree that there are many girls, even the escorts that claim to "only be about business", that still have 2-4 different pieces of 'trade' that can come through and get their nut off. lol :eek: Most often, it's the guys that never approached them sideways or through their escort business, are cool to hang with, attractive, and like to have fun though. Some girls are really messy and will just want to have you because you have been with another girl that's popular or whatever. lol Tgirls can be chasers too :p The point of the thread isn't to stick up for the womanizers (do you), it's to explain why some trans don't like Tranny chasers.

----------------
Now playing: The Dresden Dolls - Sex Changes (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+dresden+dolls/track/sex+changes)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

thegirlnextdoor
04-24-2011, 05:20 PM
at the end of the day i can only be amber lol.i like horror movies,rock music,books,tattoos,piercings and DRINKING.take it or leave.im not going to pretend to be something im not (sorry if it ruins anyones fantasy of me).
i also said that im not the hookup type BUT IF I WAS yes i expect you to at least take me out for some drinks first.i dont hookup so i guess no one has to worry about it.it was a joke anyway.i wasnt offering my ass to anyone on the sly smh lol.
i have no problem "going dutch" on the second date HOWEVER i do expect the guy to take care of things on the first date.thats MY PERSONAL way to filter out the guys who are about something from the ones who arent.if he cant handle the bill i will politely pay mines and excuse myself (dont expect to hear back from me).its not like i have champagne taste or anything.im the type of girl you can take to ihop on a first date lol.one thing i can say is every guy knows what im about when they first approach me.so far ive had no problems.ive meet alot of cool guys and avoided dudes who i later found out were up to nothing.it also doesnt hurt that by the second date im usually naked ;) lmaooo

vidman
04-24-2011, 05:46 PM
well im not really the hook up type anymore so i dont know.i know if a man wants to get up in this then hes going to have to put in some work.im the type of chick that holds my own so i expect him to do the same.even if i was the type to freak off if your trying to beat than the least you can do is take me out first (grey goose and patron all night).
"this junk in my trunk aint made for chumps" lol.


#1) I'm definitely no chump.
#2) I have a wet bar in my crib and whatever liquor is not in there, we can always make the adjustments.
#3) For you, I will work till my fingers bleed to have an opportunity at you.
Next time you're in the ATL, let me know. I would like for you to just hang out with me. No sex or nothing like that. Just plain and simple getting to know me and you'll see just how cool I am and you'll know why girls love hanging out with me. I have a sexual relationship with some girls and some girls I'm just really good friends with, no sex at all. I think it depends on how the man approaches the woman. I think a woman knows exactly what a man wants based on his approach.

vidman
04-24-2011, 05:58 PM
at the end of the day i can only be amber lol.i like horror movies,rock music,books,tattoos,piercings and DRINKING.take it or leave.im not going to pretend to be something im not (sorry if it ruins anyones fantasy of me).
i also said that im not the hookup type BUT IF I WAS yes i expect you to at least take me out for some drinks first.i dont hookup so i guess no one has to worry about it.it was a joke anyway.i wasnt offering my ass to anyone on the sly smh lol.
i have no problem "going dutch" on the second date HOWEVER i do expect the guy to take care of things on the first date.thats MY PERSONAL way to filter out the guys who are about something from the ones who arent.if he cant handle the bill i will politely pay mines and excuse myself (dont expect to hear back from me).its not like i have champagne taste or anything.im the type of girl you can take to ihop on a first date lol.one thing i can say is every guy knows what im about when they first approach me.so far ive had no problems.ive meet alot of cool guys and avoided dudes who i later found out were up to nothing.it also doesnt hurt that by the second date im usually naked ;) lmaooo

naked by the second date?? Why is that the only part of your comment I see? lol. Nah, just kidding ma. I feel you though. I kinda agree with Seanchai's philosophy and how the European culture does the dating thing. I think that's nice to go dutch on the first date. That way, you can get to know the person you're with and find out if there's any chemistry. If there's no chemistry then you pay for yours and I pay for mine and we go our separate ways. However, if there is chemistry, then on the next date the man should pay because there is potential there.

By the way, I like scary movies and a little drinking too. Unlike Indy, I don't have a problem at all with a young lady having a drink or two. Well Amber, seems like we have similar points of view and a few things in common now that we've cleared the air. Like i said, when you're in the A, let me know. We can hang out and have some fun.

kittymatthews
04-24-2011, 08:30 PM
Anybody who expects to be "taken out first" then you are not a "chick who holds her own" - you are showing yourself only to be available for "chumps" who pay for you. It's much more prevelent in USA than Europe, when you go on a first date in the UK and most of Northern Europe most women would "go Dutch" as not only does that show more respect for their date, more importantly it shows their own self-respect. They aren't whores, they can't be bought.
I have met women like this in the USA also, as I said, the other ones who expect everything were dumped very fast, to their loss. They'll end up with some "chump" who can't get a woman other than impressing her with money.

Meh.

If a guy expects for me to go dutch, our dates are gonna be really crappy. we'll be eating off the dollar menu. lol

There's something about a guy who just pays for me that, in an odd way, turns me on. And it has nothing to do with money. It's more like....a courtesy thing. lol. Maybe i am total hetero woman brainwashed but any guy who wants me to pay for anything especially when we're first dating is just gonna get a sideways glance. lol

GroobySteven
04-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Meh.

If a guy expects for me to go dutch, our dates are gonna be really crappy. we'll be eating off the dollar menu. lol

There's something about a guy who just pays for me that, in an odd way, turns me on. And it has nothing to do with money. It's more like....a courtesy thing. lol. Maybe i am total hetero woman brainwashed but any guy who wants me to pay for anything especially when we're first dating is just gonna get a sideways glance. lol

It's not about wanting, it's about showing that you have self-respect and awareness. Otherwise, any woman who expects that is no different to any whore.

If that's you're attitude and what you expect, then don't complain when the only men interested in you are "tranny chasers".

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 12:02 AM
#1) I'm definitely no chump.
#2) I have a wet bar in my crib and whatever liquor is not in there, we can always make the adjustments.
#3) For you, I will work till my fingers bleed to have an opportunity at you.
Next time you're in the ATL, let me know. I would like for you to just hang out with me. No sex or nothing like that. Just plain and simple getting to know me and you'll see just how cool I am and you'll know why girls love hanging out with me. I have a sexual relationship with some girls and some girls I'm just really good friends with, no sex at all. I think it depends on how the man approaches the woman. I think a woman knows exactly what a man wants based on his approach.

"I think it depends on how the man approaches the woman. I think a woman knows exactly what a man wants based on his approach."

i agree and the fact that you mentioned a bar in your home lets me no exactly what type of hanging out you have in mind for us ;) lol.

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 12:22 AM
It's not about wanting, it's about showing that you have self-respect and awareness. Otherwise, any woman who expects that is no different to any whore.

If that's you're attitude and what you expect, then don't complain when the only men interested in you are "tranny chasers".

i expect what i expect because i have self respect and awareness.at one point i had no respect for myself and accept anything from a man because i thought since i was transgendered i wasnt worth much more than a sexual encounter or exploration.my most recent ex however showed me different.

there are alot of guys out there that take advantage of ts women (esp in ny) because they know how independent and how hard we have to work.i know from personal experience how a man will try to game me and be on some "i cant afford to treat you like you deserve" type shit so im either paying for my side of things EVERYTIME we go out or worst paying for it all.funny thing is tho ill see the same dude throwing the world at a gg.

i do things things they way i do them for a reason.like i said its my way of filtering.i guess im a whores whore then lol.i have no problem dating.ive meet more genuine guys and less chasers this way.im going to stick to what works for me.

thepiedpiper
04-25-2011, 12:51 AM
there are alot of guys out there that take advantage of ts women (esp in ny) because they know how independent and how hard we have to work.i know from personal experience how a man will try to game me and be on some "i cant afford to treat you like you deserve" type shit so im either paying for my side of things EVERYTIME we go out or worst paying for it all.funny thing is tho ill see the same dude throwing the world at a gg.


I agree. I think guys who tend to spit game all the time tend to this with all women transgendered or not. In my opinion the typical player will not discriminate in anyway with a transwoman he will just game everyone with the same gusto and so I always expect transwomen to react in the same way they will take the dude with a pinch of salt.

As far as a chaser.. again as most people have suggested these dudes tend to be obsessed with one thing and one thing only - a girl with a dick. All they do is fetishise transwomen i suppose they turn these women in to objects much like some men do with ggs. I mean come on objectify any woman and she will have no respect for you so there is no suprise the feeling of hate is in the air.

On a side note... lol Sean living in the UK i am yet to go on a date where a girl has gone dutch on the first date! :P I'll admit it has happened on the second a lot but never the first. i always get the feeling that 99% of women prefer the first date to be treated with a more old fashioned approach and I think most guys approach it in this way too.

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 01:39 AM
I agree. I think guys who tend to spit game all the time tend to this with all women transgendered or not. In my opinion the typical player will not discriminate in anyway with a transwoman he will just game everyone with the same gusto and so I always expect transwomen to react in the same way they will take the dude with a pinch of salt.

As far as a chaser.. again as most people have suggested these dudes tend to be obsessed with one thing and one thing only - a girl with a dick. All they do is fetishise transwomen i suppose they turn these women in to objects much like some men do with ggs. I mean come on objectify any woman and she will have no respect for you so there is no suprise the feeling of hate is in the air.

On a side note... lol Sean living in the UK i am yet to go on a date where a girl has gone dutch on the first date! :P I'll admit it has happened on the second a lot but never the first. i always get the feeling that 99% of women prefer the first date to be treated with a more old fashioned approach and I think most guys approach it in this way too.

lol.i dont hate tranny chasers.they fund my transition.i just dont deal with them on a social level.
how many threads does like "will you date a shemale" or "how do i get rid of my tranny addiction" before you guys admit the existence of such men.i personally dont think that every man that has and sex with or dated a few ts women are chasers.its alittle bit deeper than that.
its just amazing to me though how bent out of shape you guys get over this word but you dont see us girls going up in arms everytime the word shemale or tranny is used on here.

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 01:47 AM
I agree so much

that tranny addiction thread pissed me off. You wanna know why we dont like chasers? I think a huge part of it is that at the very core, they feel disgusted by what they like. and no one likes to feel like they are disgusting. Specially when the person that's trying to fuck them feelts that way/

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 01:51 AM
It's not about wanting, it's about showing that you have self-respect and awareness. Otherwise, any woman who expects that is no different to any whore.

If that's you're attitude and what you expect, then don't complain when the only men interested in you are "tranny chasers".

Your mentality is flawed.

I've been dating the same guy for a month and a half and before that i had another guy i was dating. Both of them never had issues paying for dinner or our dates. tranny chasers will always be interested in me, but i do nt have to return that interest. lol.

Believe it or not SOME men are pretty traditional and feel like if they dont have the money, they can't take a girl on a date. Sorry, if a guy ever asks me to pay for dinner on a date, i'm definitely not going to see him again

Indy24
04-25-2011, 02:29 AM
Your mentality is flawed.

I've been dating the same guy for a month and a half and before that i had another guy i was dating. Both of them never had issues paying for dinner or our dates. tranny chasers will always be interested in me, but i do nt have to return that interest. lol.

Believe it or not SOME men are pretty traditional and feel like if they dont have the money, they can't take a girl on a date. Sorry, if a guy ever asks me to pay for dinner on a date, i'm definitely not going to see him again

I fail to see what the point would be then.

I guess I'm blessed with an eye for tgirls and genetic women who have their own money and just want "me" for "me".

For the record though, why would anybody envy two guys who basically wasted their time and money on a chick who didn't "return that interest"????

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 03:01 AM
I dont get with guys for money.

I've dated men who are on EBT and take buses. I dont care about money, but I do care about a guy who's got his shit together. i'm 20 and i'm just starting my life out. If you expect me to have money and be independent at this phase in my life, you're not going to get very far. But men are still interested in me so alas a man has to be able to comfortable navigate the world if he wants t get with me


And Indy why dont you just stop responding to me since you have such a damn issue with me? You're so pointless.

You dont DATE guys who you aren't interested in.
What i meant was there wil always be a guy who will try to fetishize me but I do not need to give them the time of day. Sean tried to convince me the only men id get are tranny chasers and that's just not true. I only give my time to men who want to date.
I know you have a hard time understanding that some trans women enjoy long term relationships and dating and some of us view ourselves as women and not men who need to take care of another man, but believe it or not, rarely has a man ever tried to get me to pay for -anything- I dont ask a guy to pay he jsut pays.


Some men were just raised correctly.

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 03:20 AM
I dont get with guys for money.

I've dated men who are on EBT and take buses. I dont care about money, but I do care about a guy who's got his shit together. i'm 20 and i'm just starting my life out. If you expect me to have money and be independent at this phase in my life, you're not going to get very far. But men are still interested in me so alas a man has to be able to comfortable navigate the world if he wants t get with me


And Indy why dont you just stop responding to me since you have such a damn issue with me? You're so pointless.

You dont DATE guys who you aren't interested in.
What i meant was there wil always be a guy who will try to fetishize me but I do not need to give them the time of day. Sean tried to convince me the only men id get are tranny chasers and that's just not true. I only give my time to men who want to date.
I know you have a hard time understanding that some trans women enjoy long term relationships and dating and some of us view ourselves as women and not men who need to take care of another man, but believe it or not, rarely has a man ever tried to get me to pay for -anything- I dont ask a guy to pay he jsut pays.


Some men were just raised correctly.

oh wow hun.i didnt realize you were so young.kinda cool that your so self assured and have a strong concept of self at such a young age (and so early in your transition).just make sure not to get too bitter and angry black women lol.there are some really good people and men out there (a small few are even on this board).the trick is to know how to filter out the trash and not just throw them all away you know?

Indy24
04-25-2011, 03:26 AM
I dont get with guys for money.

I've dated men who are on EBT and take buses. I dont care about money, but I do care about a guy who's got his shit together. i'm 20 and i'm just starting my life out. If you expect me to have money and be independent at this phase in my life, you're not going to get very far. But men are still interested in me so alas a man has to be able to comfortable navigate the world if he wants t get with me


And Indy why dont you just stop responding to me since you have such a damn issue with me? You're so pointless.

You dont DATE guys who you aren't interested in.
What i meant was there wil always be a guy who will try to fetishize me but I do not need to give them the time of day. Sean tried to convince me the only men id get are tranny chasers and that's just not true. I only give my time to men who want to date.
I know you have a hard time understanding that some trans women enjoy long term relationships and dating and some of us view ourselves as women and not men who need to take care of another man, but believe it or not, rarely has a man ever tried to get me to pay for -anything- I dont ask a guy to pay he jsut pays.


Some men were just raised correctly.

Relax, this is a forum built for conversation, not a knife fight. Just because I'm not hardwired to kiss every half naked tranny's ass who post on a website doesn't mean that I wasn't raised correctly.

You strike me as being spoiled and sheltered most your life. The reason being is that anyone who challenges your word as law is quickly dismissed as your enemy. Instead of just a deference of opinion.

I guess I'm just use to handling adversity but hey if not being the guy who sits and grins like an idiot when you post pictures and negative comments makes me the bad guy.

Then this world needs better hero's.

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 03:36 AM
Relax, this is a forum built for conversation, not a knife fight. Just because I'm not hardwired to kiss every half naked tranny's ass who post on a website doesn't mean that I wasn't raised correctly.

You strike me as being spoiled and sheltered most your life. The reason being is that anyone who challenges your word as law is quickly dismissed as your enemy. Instead of just a deference of opinion.

I guess I'm just use to handling adversity but hey if not being the guy who sits and grins like an idiot when you post pictures and negative comments makes me the bad guy.

Then this world needs better hero's.

well when you're constantly disagreeing with me, to me, it makes sense that two people who dont get a long just need to accept that that's how it is. What's the point in constantly trying to argue with someone when they are diametrically opposed. Just doesn't make sense.

I view it as an attack when you act like you know a personality trait of mine when you really just dont. Sheltered, perhaps. Spoiled, hell no. I'm just at th point in my life where i'm more comfortable with an older man who can navigate life easily than a guy who is unstable. i like guys for who they are but in my effort to date guys who dont have their shit together, i've learned that i really just need a guy who is comfortable playing the stereotypical male role.


TGND: I'm already pretty bitter. I can realize and recognize that and try to not be so bitter, but honestly...sometime when i try to give things a chance, I realize that being bitter and perhaps judgemental always saves me the trouble of saying to myself "i told you so". lol

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 03:43 AM
well when you're constantly disagreeing with me, to me, it makes sense that two people who dont get a long just need to accept that that's how it is. What's the point in constantly trying to argue with someone when they are diametrically opposed. Just doesn't make sense.

I view it as an attack when you act like you know a personality trait of mine when you really just dont. Sheltered, perhaps. Spoiled, hell no. I'm just at th point in my life where i'm more comfortable with an older man who can navigate life easily than a guy who is unstable. i like guys for who they are but in my effort to date guys who dont have their shit together, i've learned that i really just need a guy who is comfortable playing the stereotypical male role.


TGND: I'm already pretty bitter. I can realize and recognize that and try to not be so bitter, but honestly...sometime when i try to give things a chance, I realize that being bitter and perhaps judgemental always saves me the trouble of saying to myself "i told you so". lol

lol.you remind me of a girlfriend of mine.very intelligent and quick witted chick.real cool people too if you happen to be a girl lol.

GroobySteven
04-25-2011, 07:12 AM
On a side note... lol Sean living in the UK i am yet to go on a date where a girl has gone dutch on the first date! :P I'll admit it has happened on the second a lot but never the first. i always get the feeling that 99% of women prefer the first date to be treated with a more old fashioned approach and I think most guys approach it in this way too.

Obviously your dating a different group of woman then I did (less than 15 yrs ago) in the UK, I haven't dated and don't plan to since I've returned. I generally dated intelligent, creative types and they certainly didn't believe in what you think is "old fashioned". I've also got to say, although in the USA you were expected to pay everything, you got action on the 1-2nd date compared to the UK would be 2-3rd date, so it wasn't all good news.

GroobySteven
04-25-2011, 07:14 AM
Your mentality is flawed.

I've been dating the same guy for a month and a half and before that i had another guy i was dating. Both of them never had issues paying for dinner or our dates. tranny chasers will always be interested in me, but i do nt have to return that interest. lol.

Believe it or not SOME men are pretty traditional and feel like if they dont have the money, they can't take a girl on a date. Sorry, if a guy ever asks me to pay for dinner on a date, i'm definitely not going to see him again

You are either dating "chumps" (liking that word) - or they see you as a bit of easy meat.
You are very naive.

GroobySteven
04-25-2011, 07:20 AM
lol.you remind me of a girlfriend of mine.very intelligent and quick witted chick.real cool people too if you happen to be a girl lol.


Quick witted maybe, probably really cool to hang out with - but you are both incredibly naive about the world and how it works, while believing you know all about it. Trust me, I'm not just saying these things to be cruel or argumentative - you are products of your very short, lives so far (as Amber alluded to). Kitty your in-ability to have a discussion but take everyone who disagrees as an enemy, speaks volumes, about your lack of confidence which is why you feel a need for your date to have to pay for everything. You'd show much more moxie and potential for a longer, happier relationship if you wouild realize this and stop seeing a date as a meal ticket.

thegirlnextdoor
04-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Quick witted maybe, probably really cool to hang out with - but you are both incredibly naive about the world and how it works, while believing you know all about it. Trust me, I'm not just saying these things to be cruel or argumentative - you are products of your very short, lives so far (as Amber alluded to). Kitty your in-ability to have a discussion but take everyone who disagrees as an enemy, speaks volumes, about your lack of confidence which is why you feel a need for your date to have to pay for everything. You'd show much more moxie and potential for a longer, happier relationship if you wouild realize this and stop seeing a date as a meal ticket.

ive been on my own since i was 16.the things i have experienced,survived and endured....well never mind,everyone has a story.
i dont claim to know everything or to be the wisest but one thing i am not is niave (i just look like it lol).

vidman
04-25-2011, 11:07 AM
"I think it depends on how the man approaches the woman. I think a woman knows exactly what a man wants based on his approach."

i agree and the fact that you mentioned a bar in your home lets me no exactly what type of hanging out you have in mind for us ;) lol.

Well you definitely intoxicate me more than any bottle of liquor!! But I was really keeping it 100 witcha. After we get to know each other better and I get a feel of what I can say to you and can't say, then I'll make a reference to the "wet" bar as it pertains to something wet....and nasty maybe? Hmmm, wondering where your thought process is right about now. (naughty smile)

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 11:55 AM
whatever

Im happy, they're happy.

I like a guy that likes to treat a lady

as previously stated, chances are if i have to pay for shit we aren't going to be doing anything

i never knew that being a gentleman was so uncomfortable for most men. Im upset i missed the time where men felt insulted when a woman tried to lift a finger

apparently i've got to pay for dinner AND fuck a guy in the ass. Im learning so much here. might as well just drop this whole trans thing and be a guy. lol.

If the men i date are chump, then let me keep em


Edit: maybe it's because of where i was raised. I dont know a SINGLE female friend of mine who would pay on the first date. Going down the line and entering into a more serious relationship,t hen that changes of course. But if a guy makes me pay for dinner when we're first getting to know eachother, gotta say, that's a turn off. lol. BUt that's me. And we're all different. lol.


But who am I kidding, we all know 70 percent of the guys on this forum wont be taking no tranny on no dinner. lol

GroobySteven
04-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Oh dear, you have a completed in-correct idea of what "being a gentleman" means, which shows you immaturity but that's cool, that is how we learn from experience. Any chump can reach into his pocket to get a girl onto bed through wining and dining - I've been that guy - but a gentlemen knows how to treat a lady with respect although he's usually looking for someone who already has that self-respect.

Maybe this is how it works though - you look for those types of guts, they look for girls like you so it's a win:win for both. Just don't whine when they move on as they have found they can done someone else or meet a woman who had more respect for them.
As I stated, you are young and I hope you'll learn there is more to life then a guy buying you dinner.

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 12:17 PM
Well let me clairify something

I know some men can just go and buy me dinner like it's nothing, BUT that's not all i'm talking about.

See, the guy i'm going out with now i've yet to sleep with. Maybe it's because he's comfortable with his money, but he's never ever ever had a problem taking me to dinner the movies ect. I know and i've learned that some men can just throw down money and that that doesn't mean much, BUT those aren't the sort of guys i'm talking about.

I'm not talking about meeting up with a guy and waiting for him to buy me dinner just so he can fuck me and dump me. lol. I'm not hooking up right now. So i'm looking for something more serious. I dont see how a guy is a chump for enjoying taking me out and paying for it. some guys dont view that as me taking advantage of them.

I dont use guys for money. As previously stated, i've dated guys who were on EBT and had a BLAST. But see, he knew how to work the EBT. He knew how it worked and wasn't confused or ashamed or hesitant to use it. He had confidence in his poverty and knew how to get from point A to point B easily without viewing it as work. I like guys who i can be with comfortably. I'm not a gold digger, but i do like when a guy doesn't make me have to figure everything out.


So explain, what is naive about wanting to be comfortable with the guy you're with?

How many women do you know that want to enter into relationships where they have full reign and contorol over everything? How many women do you know that want to be in dominat positions in a relationship. I simply dont enjoy taking on dominat traits in a relationship at all, ever. Are you saying that once i accept a more dominate approach, i will be less naive?

GroobySteven
04-25-2011, 02:36 PM
See, the guy i'm going out with now i've yet to sleep with. Maybe it's because he's comfortable with his money, but he's never ever ever had a problem taking me to dinner the movies ect. I know and i've learned that some men can just throw down money and that that doesn't mean much, BUT those aren't the sort of guys i'm talking about.


I'm not talking about meeting up with a guy and waiting for him to buy me dinner just so he can fuck me and dump me. lol. I'm not hooking up right now. So i'm looking for something more serious. I dont see how a guy is a chump for enjoying taking me out and paying for it. some guys dont view that as me taking advantage of them.

I dont use guys for money. As previously stated, i've dated guys who were on EBT and had a BLAST. But see, he knew how to work the EBT. He knew how it worked and wasn't confused or ashamed or hesitant to use it. He had confidence in his poverty and knew how to get from point A to point B easily without viewing it as work. I like guys who i can be with comfortably. I'm not a gold digger, but i do like when a guy doesn't make me have to figure everything out.


So explain, what is naive about wanting to be comfortable with the guy you're with?

How many women do you know that want to enter into relationships where they have full reign and contorol over everything? How many women do you know that want to be in dominat positions in a relationship. I simply dont enjoy taking on dominat traits in a relationship at all, ever. Are you saying that once i accept a more dominate approach, i will be less naive?

1. See what I mean about you twisting words? Where did you get "dominant positions" or any form of "dominate" from? You have very strange views of male/female relationships.

2. Congratulations if you've met someone you are comfortable with and is comfortable with you. I must say if he's been treating you for THREE MONTHS and not got any action yet, then he must really be into you ... - how does he feel about you doing cam shows, putting nudes online yet he doesn't get any ... because personally, I'd feel that was a bit of a tease?

I'm not talking about buying a dinner for someone, I said that at the beginning, I'm talking about a level of respect, do you ever reach into your pocket on a date? Do you buy a round of drinks for him (and his friends), do you buy the popcorn? Do you pay the DVD rental? I'm on a different economical level to many of the people I spend time with so I like to pick up a lot of bills so they don't feel uncomfortable (or unable to go out) but they usually show a least a modicum of respect.

kittymatthews
04-25-2011, 03:58 PM
seeing as I've never really had much money i dont do any of that because I CANT

I'm not of age yet to buy people drinks


I just have a pretty traditional view of male/female relationships. And I find often time men try to compromise or complicated male/female realtionships because I am trans. I expect to be treated like a woman. I do not want to be treated like a man. I"m sorry. Like I said, I do not have a single friend who would go on a date with a guy and pay for dinner or anything. Sure when things go further down the line I'd start to try to do stuff for him, but I'm the sorta girl who makes all of her own clothing and buys used shoes. Spennding 5 dollars on food for someone who isn't me feels like stabbing a knife in my hand. NOt because i'm selfish but because I"m fucking broke. If i had more money, i'm sure i'd be more giving, but I dont.

I've never bought a new dress and Most of the shoes I own are used. I'm not AT that point in my life where i can pay for someone's anything. lol. iI have to pay for my transition art supplies AND school. lol. so if a guy wants to be with me, he's going ot have to be understanding about that.

LOL. And the only reason me and him havent had sex is because he respects me enough to get to know me before he puts his dick inside of me. I know this is a foreign idea, but he, unlike a lot of guys i've met, wants to get ot know me for more than just my ass. Going out with him has proved to me that there ARE men who aren't just tranny chasers. I asked him what it's like dating a tgirl and his response was "i view you just like any other girl, so not much different".

Dont get it twisted sean. When someone does something for me I am thankful. I"m am NOT the sort of girl who uses men. I just simply am not at the point in my life where I can do a lot on my own. And tha'ts not for lack of trying. I"m in school and the onlyw ay i'd really be able to make enough income to navigate life the way you think i should is to quit school, which isn't going to happen. Besides i have one more year then i'm done.

As far as my views I think it's very obvious that i have a very strict/rigid view of what I consider male/female. Sure i know it's a rough description and perhaps a shade unrealistic, but my ideas are not the ideas of someone who is inexperienced. I have formed my likes and dislikes based on experiences of the past. I know what I want out of a man and I know the sort of man i want to give my time to.and i believe feeling the way i feel and viewing men the way i view them ultimately leads me to quality men. or at least men who I can get along with without any argument.

You know, so often, ive had men tell me that I i shouldn't be looking for a guy with X and X and so and so. Making it sound like I should settle for less because he doesn't have much to offer. At it's taken me a long long time and a lot of pain and stress to be able to push through and pass that bullshit and realize and see that i am worthy of love and i am worthy of being treated the way i want to be treated. And anyone who truly has an issue with the way i want to be treated isn't someone i can be happy with. simple as that. It's a time saver.