relationships

[junintoiro]

What are the chances of finding a T-girl to have relationship with??? :confused:

[TSSexyChanel]

Honestly slim to none if she knows about your online activities. Many of us are very cautious about the real desire of men wanting to be in a "serious relationship". Stranger things have happened but remember honesty is key we all know each other and we all talk.

I have posted ten tips for dating transexuals from a girls point of view on my blog and please don't use my tips to be a professional liar. Many men have asked me for advice and I posted that info to help those serious about finding that special girl for life.

http://tssexychanel.thumblogger.com

[bxboy1984]

slim, but not too much worse than finding anyone.

Heed Chanel and any other woman's advice you value.

[ROC]

take A Chance, You'll Never Know What God Has Planned In Your Life..... If It Was Meant To Be, You'll Find That Special Woman... One Thing For Sure, She's Not Gonna Fall In Your Lap, Unless Of Course You're Getting A Lap-dance.......lol........ ;)

[TSSexyChanel]

take A Chance, You'll Never Know What God Has Planned In Your Life..... If It Was Meant To Be, You'll Find That Special Woman... One Thing For Sure, She's Not Gonna Fall In Your Lap, Unless Of Course You're Getting A Lap-dance.......lol........ ;)



You are too fuggin hilarious for words. Goddess got a chuckle out of that one.

[DYNACORD]

It can be done. I have the best girl friend in the world and she's a TS.
You have to go meet them though. It's a small community no matter what city you live in.
Chanel has good normal dating tips and common sence advice on her blog.
You have to treat the girls as people and as women. If you can manage that and be yourself, you can talk to a girl, and if she likes you, then you've made a first step. They want somebody in their lives too. Try it!!!

[MrF]

It would potentially be cool to meet an "ordinary" TGirl, like a student or a person with a regular job. Unfortunately TGirls are actually quite rare, and the "ordinary" ones generally don't advertise their status, so there's only a small random chance of finding them. Now someone will say there are all sorts of online sources like adultfriendfinders.com, so maybe I'm wrong and those work. When it comes to love and friendship, I've always felt the "friend of a friend" social network is the best route, not online dating sites.

From things I've read in my suspicious online activities I believe the "ordinary" TGirls usually mistrust that you would want to seek them out; they would rather (in probably most cases) want you to assume initially that they are a woman and then continue to assume that after you have discovered their TG status. So they prefer a chance discovery and acceptance by a random straight guy, an enlightened Prince Charming.

Then there are the TGirls who are easy to find -- the one's who advertise. In my experience it's not easy to be serious with them. Of course, being no saint myself I would not judge them lest they judge me.;)

[DirtySouth]

Honestly slim to none if she knows about your online activities. Many of us are very cautious about the real desire of men wanting to be in a "serious relationship". Stranger things have happened but remember honesty is key we all know each other and we will figure out what game youre up to.

I have posted ten tips for dating transexuals from a girls point of view on my blog and please don't use my tips to be a professional liar. Many men have asked me for advice and I posted that info to help those serious about finding that special girl for life.

http://tssexychanel.thumblogger.com

Thank you Chanel, I respect your responce.

Now its my turn. I will edit Chanel's lovely words to echo what I've come to know from guys like myself who would like to test the waters of seriously dating a tgirl:

Honestly slim to none if she is online escorting or having web cam shows daily or constantly in search of a sugar daddy. Many of us are very cautious about the real desire of transsexuals wanting to be in a "serious relationship". Stranger things have happened but remember honesty is key they all know each other and will lie on you regardless.


Here is my 1 Step Guide to Dating Tgirls:

1. If she is an escort, don't do it.

LoL...Just a little humor there, sorry if anyone gets offended but this is a forum. We have been down this road many a time my fellow members. These girls are amazing and we all think that - thats why we are here. Lets not for one second act as if the girls are noble and we are not. Its funny how every girl knows you if you sleep with one of them, but yet if we throw a girls picture up, half of us on the forum have slept with her. Lets also not act like us guys are noble and treated every girl fairly, whether she deserved it or not. I dont see how a working man should have to "prove" himself to a tgirl who sees other men for cash all day. On the other hand, if youre married or know you dont want to be with a TS outside of sex - dont sell these girls a dream! EVERYONE has to be honest.

Bottom line - It can be done. You also could make the U.S. Olympic team for the 2012 games. Is it going to happen? Probably not. Do what you feel is right and live your own life. Dating a tgirl might be in the cards for you. You will never know until you try. But always remember, SHE has to prove to you just as much as you have to prove to her. Hold her accountable for her actions.

[blktgirluveronly]

Amen...Brotha...Sounds like you've visited the pulpit before...LMAO

[Ms Remy M]

Good advice all around TSSexyChanel and DirtySouth.

There are lots of great tg's out there looking for Mr. Right, just as you members are looking for Ms. Right. Try and see how it goes, and treat these ladies just as you would any other girl you were trying to pursue a relationship with. I do agree, that if you are going to use an online resource to find a tg for a relationship, AFF may be worth a gander. Bumping into one through regular social channels like at the Mall, Super Market, etc. may lead to a more authentic experince and not a 'dating/tricking' situation. Remember that online social networking sites, tend to lend the impression that you are 'trollling' for tg's and may not be taken seriously from the jump.

[DirtySouth]

Remember that online social networking sites, tend to lend the impression that you are 'trollling' for tg's and may not be taken seriously from the jump.

There lies the problem. Online social networking is the only way for most of us to meet TGs, so we get trapped in the escort ring because most girls who are online are just that. You cant exactly go to a bar or social place (unless in some rare major cities) and find a nice girl. If you could, you may not even be comfortable with it to go alone. Hell, the rare times Ive been to one, its still mostly working girls in there.

[TSSexyChanel]

thank You Chanel, I Respect Your Responce.

Now Its My Turn. I Will Edit Chanel's Lovely Words To Echo What I've Come To Know From Guys Like Myself Who Would Like To Test The Waters Of Seriously Dating A Tgirl:

honestly Slim To None If She Is Online Escorting Or Having Web Cam Shows Daily Or Constantly In Search Of A Sugar Daddy. Many Of Us Are Very Cautious About The Real Desire Of Transsexuals Wanting To Be In A "serious Relationship". Stranger Things Have Happened But Remember Honesty Is Key They All Know Each Other And Will Lie On You Regardless.


Here Is My 1 Step Guide To Dating Tgirls:

1. If She Is An Escort, Don't Do It.

Lol...just A Little Humor There, Sorry If Anyone Gets Offended But This Is A Forum. We Have Been Down This Road Many A Time My Fellow Members. These Girls Are Amazing And We All Think That - Thats Why We Are Here. Lets Not For One Second Act As If The Girls Are Noble And We Are Not. Its Funny How Every Girl Knows You If You Sleep With One Of Them, But Yet If We Throw A Girls Picture Up, Half Of Us On The Forum Have Slept With Her. Lets Also Not Act Like Us Guys Are Noble And Treated Every Girl Fairly, Whether She Deserved It Or Not. I Dont See How A Working Man Should Have To "prove" Himself To A Tgirl Who Sees Other Men For Cash All Day. On The Other Hand, If Youre Married Or Know You Dont Want To Be With A Ts Outside Of Sex - Dont Sell These Girls A Dream! Everyone Has To Be Honest.

Bottom Line - It Can Be Done. You Also Could Make The U.s. Olympic Team For The 2012 Games. Is It Going To Happen? Probably Not. Do What You Feel Is Right And Live Your Own Life. Dating A Tgirl Might Be In The Cards For You. You Will Never Know Until You Try. But Always Remember, She Has To Prove To You Just As Much As You Have To Prove To Her. Hold Her Accountable For Her Actions.

thats Actually Truth Escorting And Serious Relationships Will Be Wrought With Drama. It's Often Very One Sided And Unfair. If A Girl Is Escorting And You Happen To Click I Think That A Plan To Make New Arrangements Should Be Made. It Is Too Many Dynamics In Relationships To Be Having To Be Worried About A Partner Sleeping With Someone Else.

I Know I Will Be Kicked Out Of The Transexual Union But Here Goes, Even A Sexual Situation Based Solely On Financial Gain Is Unfair If You Claim To Love A Man And Want To Be With Him. The Times That I Have Been In Long Term Relationships Or Dating With The Possibility Of Being In One I Have Always Stopped Active Escorting. Mainly Because I Would Not Be So Understanding If My Man Was Being Paid To Have Sex With Another Even If He Was Getting Paid And Bringing Me All The Money, Feelings Would Come Up In Me. I Always Believe In Fair Is Fair. Lots Of My Sisters Won't Admit It To You But The Estrogen Makes Us Very Selfish. Lol. We Only Want To See It Our Way.

I Had To Work Extra Hard On My Relationships And I Wasnt Even Having Sex With Anyone Just Doing Webcam Shows, Phone Sex Or My Site With Solo Action Only And It Still Would Be A Daily Work To Reassure My Man Especially When He Would Read All The Stuff Men Say About Me And The Stuff They Wanted To Do To Me.

I Am Honest If Nothing Else And You Guys Asked For It So Let Me Know If You Ever Can't Handle The Truth Cause When Asked I Will Tell. The Truth Stings For But A Moment But A Lie Can Wound For Life.

RELATIONSHIPS ARE BUILT ON TRUST WHERE IS THE TRUST WHERE THERE IS NO SACRIFICE

[sydian]

chanel...i want a 'serious' relation w/ u!....kisses, sydd

[TSSexyChanel]

chanel...i Want A 'serious' Relation W/ U!....kisses, Sydd

i Have Wanted You As My Huswife For Years Quit Playin

[DirtySouth]

I Had To Work Extra Hard On My Relationships And I Wasnt Even Having Sex With Anyone Just Doing Webcam Shows, Phone Sex Or My Site With Solo Action Only And It Still Would Be A Daily Work To Reassure My Man Especially When He Would Read All The Stuff Men Say About Me And The Stuff They Wanted To Do To Me.


I applaud you for that answer. That was pretty good and shows you have a high level of maturity.

BUT....

You're still missing the point. Not too many serious guys are going to settle down with someone that performs in the sex industry. Unfortunately, that goes almost double for the black t-girls from what Ive seen. Jealously and the whole hypocrisy of it would ruin the relationship. Its still cheating if you show your self off to other men in a sexual manner. You couldn't fairly ask your partner to remain faithful and contradict that with those type of actions.

[DYNACORD]

All the above is true about the Escorting in a relationship. It's harder than dating a beautiful stripper. You have to really be in love with this person and be able to turn away from that side of her job. It won't be easy cause after awhile you'll only want her to be touching you and vise versa.
But, if you find a girl who's not in that business:::that's awhole different senario. Then the dating game becomes more of a normal situation. That's what you are looking for, but hard to come buy, as we all know. They exist.
I can name 5 in the Detroit area who work in the business world with no problems. Happy Hunting.

[ROC]

ONLY MET 2 OF THEM, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING THE REST.................LOL :rolleyes:



SHEEBA, SHYANA(BEYONCE), SHANISE, KATIE, DA'MYAH, NICOLE~FOX, DESTINY, VICTORIA, CANDY, AND NAOMI.....

[MrF]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.

[TurboMan]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.
damm.......you hit the nail on the head.

[aaronk]

good thread...i agree with the notion of keepin a wary eye toward gettin involved with an escort...what kills me is when they get jealous of you the dude gettin some on the side...the hypocrisy can really be somethin...secondly,i think regular gay couples can work better than the tg/straight? type...both gay partners will tend to have some "legit" jobs so the escort dynamic which is so prevalent with ts doesnt weigh so heavily in the relationship...

[DirtySouth]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

Well said brother. Its hard not to treat a girl like a sex object when 95% of them are escorts. When it comes to relationships, I tell some of my closest t-girl friends that they will see a huge difference in the men that they attract if they stop escorting. Most just ignore me and would rather make a man conform to dating an escort rather than to take responsibility to change their lifestyle on their own. Some girls just cant give up the fast money. I don't knock them for that. I just have a problem when the girls throw the double standard on a man thats sincere about dating them.



On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.

When you have a gay couple, you have two people that are entirely attracted to each other and have ignored the issue of reproduction and will take the road to adoption if need be. A str8 male who dabbles in trannies and a tranny herself are usually at odds about that /and in most relationships, its the deal breaker. A guy wanting to be with a tranny is still a guy who leans towards being with a woman. He's going to be constantly reminded of his instincts to have children. Its like having a Ferrari with a Honda Civic engine. Yeah it looks like a Ferrari but when you go to hit the throttle, youre reminded of what it really is. Also, a lot of t-girls want to be submissive in responsibilites (the feminine emotions) to the household but want to be dominant in calling the shots (masculine instincts) and this usually can become a problem when dealing with a respectable man. Yes, the same can be said about GGs. Just more rampant per ratio with the Ts in my experience.

[MrF]

Some good points, DS, and I agree with you.

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice? Ultimately people must take responsibility for their own actions, assuming they are performed under free will. I know if I was a TG I could not bear to do escorting -- not because of a moral hangup -- but because I'd find it disgusting to have to service the unwashed masses of humanity. Stand in line at Walmart sometime and imagine having sex with the random people you see ... yuck !

Anyway, the topic brings up other questions, like what is the origin of homosexuality and of transexuality, and are these normal ? (Short answer to the latter: yes !) I have ideas about these too, but I've already pooped too much on this thread.

[Ms Remy M]

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice?

In most situations, they put themselves in that 'sex object' situation by working the stroll or now the internet, so that they can easily fund their transition. I've met precious few who ONLY started escorting because that's how they were treated from the start. Tg's being treated like 'sex objects' is exacerbated even more by the gay 'guys' who simply dress up as girls for the easy money or easy sex with str8 guys.


Anyway, the topic brings up other questions, like what is the origin of homosexuality and of transexuality, and are these normal ? (Short answer to the latter: yes !) I have ideas about these too, but I've already pooped too much on this thread.

Homosexuality and transexuality has existed since the beginning of civilization. In Egypt and Asia there were Eunuchs and the Roman Empire's history is rife with tales of homosexuality. Not being a History buff, I'm sure someone can find specific examples dating back even further.

[junintoiro]

Damm lot of replies, thanx guess it might be harder than I anticipated. Not into the escort/pay scene, while I've had more than my share of one-stands(hetro) I'd rather have someone to chill with, not running a meter while thinking bout next appt.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[DirtySouth]

Damm lot of replies, thanx guess it might be harder than I anticipated. Not into the escort/pay scene, while I've had more than my share of one-stands(hetro) I'd rather have someone to chill with, not running a meter while thinking bout next appt.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Even if youre in a relationship with a T-girl escort, that meter is still going to be running. All too many times have I heard stories, and experienced, getting booted out for a client coming through. lol....try finding a girl who doesnt escort. That will be your best bet and most likely a more fulfilling relationship. I knew one at one point and she was a great gal.

[DirtySouth]

Some good points, DS, and I agree with you.

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice? Ultimately people must take responsibility for their own actions, assuming they are performed under free will. I know if I was a TG I could not bear to do escorting -- not because of a moral hangup -- but because I'd find it disgusting to have to service the unwashed masses of humanity. Stand in line at Walmart sometime and imagine having sex with the random people you see ... yuck !



Have you ever seen a tranny with a pimp? No. I have never seen any pimps in this game. How bout females? Yes, pimps are everywhere. So its safe to say a lot of females are forced into prostitution and a small minority actually choose that path or stay with it. T-girls are much different. They feel like they are forced into it because society doesn't accept them. Partially true, but thats still a choice. Many choose to make a career out of it even after a successful transition. Bottom line - they choose that life, nobody is forcing them.

[MrF]

DS, I think we misunderstood each other. When I said "forced" I meant that men generally don't give them an alternative way of relating to them. And if if that's not universally true a lot of times they get conditioned by the majority of men who treat them that way.

Let me add quickly that I, and perhaps you, may be biased by my limited experience and perspective, e.g. your estimate that "95% are escorts" may be way too high (but we've already discussed it). So, I could easily be wrong.

Interesting point about pimps. I always figured TGirls were tougher (having started out as guys), so didn't need pimps, plus they often work in teams like the way 2 or 3 operate a hotel room. If a client causes trouble they kick his ass.

Anyway, you are right that ultimately we are responsible for our own free choices.

[DirtySouth]

DS, I think we misunderstood each other. When I said "forced" I meant that men generally don't give them an alternative way of relating to them. And if if that's not universally true a lot of times they get conditioned by the majority of men who treat them that way.

Good point, but I dont think that works. Females are treated as sex objects during most of their lives, that doesnt give them cause to sell their bodies. Thats a double standard.



Let me add quickly that I, and perhaps you, may be biased by my limited experience and perspective, e.g. your estimate that "95% are escorts" may be way too high (but we've already discussed it). So, I could easily be wrong.


Maybe youre right.....but seeing how most of us agree, if not all, is it really being biased? I think Im just being realistic and you may still think optimistic. I love some of these gals and some of my models are great to me....but I know what it is at the end of the day. I'm talking about what I have consistenly seen for almost 10 years in my personal life and 2 years in the business. I think my percentages are right.....well, maybe lets say 92%. I stand by my theory and Ive been waiting 9+ years to be proven wrong.



Interesting point about pimps. I always figured TGirls were tougher (having started out as guys), so didn't need pimps, plus they often work in teams like the way 2 or 3 operate a hotel room. If a client causes trouble they kick his ass.



Trust me, most of these girls need pimps. Some of them would be better off with them....yeah I said it.......I havent seen too many work together for long. The ones who are sitting 2 or 3 in a hotel room are NOT the money makers. When one starts to make the bread, they seperate themselves. The ones who make money, make money on their own, travel on their own, etc. The broke ones are the ones running their business out of a hotel room with 2 other trannies in the next bed and some boyfriend in the corner smoking a black and mild. You want the one who has the room to herself or is living alone. Thats the real deal tranny escort right there and you will get your $ worth.

I'm just playing devil's advocate though.

[TSSexyChanel]

Have you ever seen a tranny with a pimp? No. I have never seen any pimps in this game. How bout females? Yes, pimps are everywhere. So its safe to say a lot of females are forced into prostitution and a small minority actually choose that path or stay with it. T-girls are much different. They feel like they are forced into it because society doesn't accept them. Partially true, but thats still a choice. Many choose to make a career out of it even after a successful transition. Bottom line - they choose that life, nobody is forcing them.


Pimping is not always a forced game pimps play on the mind of the weak and needy and sad but true there are many transexual pimps they are called "boyfriends" the name is different but the games the same if we living off what I make lying on my back you are not my man you are a pimp. I know many girls in this situation and it hurts my heart for them to think its love when I see it as someone going for a free ride.

Pimps transexual or female dont provide security even girls with pimps work in groups for protection. Pimps sole purpose is to spend a girl cash and make her think she got something when she has nothing. Pimps are to girls and trannies what clients are to the escorts sponsors but at least a client knows what it is and what he is getting. Girls with pimps find they get nothing in the end its a one sided relationship and you always on the loosing end.

[DrDickenstein]

Pimping is not always a forced game pimps play on the mind of the weak and needy and sad but true there are many transexual pimps they are called "boyfriends" the name is different but the games the same if we living off what I make lying on my back you are not my man you are a pimp. I know many girls in this situation and it hurts my heart for them to think its love when I see it as someone going for a free ride.

Pimps transexual or female dont provide security even girls with pimps work in groups for protection. Pimps sole purpose is to spend a girl cash and make her think she got something when she has nothing. Pimps are to girls and trannies what clients are to the escorts sponsors but at least a client knows what it is and what he is getting. Girls with pimps find they get nothing in the end its a one sided relationship and you always on the loosing end.

The Hot T-Babe with a Brain! has spoken. Thanks for the excellent insight Sexi Chanel. Proceeding to your blogspot to pick up some more insight and etc... :)

[kilakali]

Pimping is not always a forced game pimps play on the mind of the weak and needy and sad but true there are many transexual pimps they are called "boyfriends" the name is different but the games the same if we living off what I make lying on my back you are not my man you are a pimp. I know many girls in this situation and it hurts my heart for them to think its love when I see it as someone going for a free ride.

Pimps transexual or female dont provide security even girls with pimps work in groups for protection. Pimps sole purpose is to spend a girl cash and make her think she got something when she has nothing. Pimps are to girls and trannies what clients are to the escorts sponsors but at least a client knows what it is and what he is getting. Girls with pimps find they get nothing in the end its a one sided relationship and you always on the loosing end.

Well stated I was going to mention the same thing in regard to "boyfriends" or "daddys".

[Corporate_Thug]

thats Actually Truth Escorting And Serious Relationships Will Be Wrought With Drama. It's Often Very One Sided And Unfair. If A Girl Is Escorting And You Happen To Click I Think That A Plan To Make New Arrangements Should Be Made. It Is Too Many Dynamics In Relationships To Be Having To Be Worried About A Partner Sleeping With Someone Else.

I Know I Will Be Kicked Out Of The Transexual Union But Here Goes, Even A Sexual Situation Based Solely On Financial Gain Is Unfair If You Claim To Love A Man And Want To Be With Him. The Times That I Have Been In Long Term Relationships Or Dating With The Possibility Of Being In One I Have Always Stopped Active Escorting. Mainly Because I Would Not Be So Understanding If My Man Was Being Paid To Have Sex With Another Even If He Was Getting Paid And Bringing Me All The Money, Feelings Would Come Up In Me. I Always Believe In Fair Is Fair. Lots Of My Sisters Won't Admit It To You But The Estrogen Makes Us Very Selfish. Lol. We Only Want To See It Our Way.

I Had To Work Extra Hard On My Relationships And I Wasnt Even Having Sex With Anyone Just Doing Webcam Shows, Phone Sex Or My Site With Solo Action Only And It Still Would Be A Daily Work To Reassure My Man Especially When He Would Read All The Stuff Men Say About Me And The Stuff They Wanted To Do To Me.

I Am Honest If Nothing Else And You Guys Asked For It So Let Me Know If You Ever Can't Handle The Truth Cause When Asked I Will Tell. The Truth Stings For But A Moment But A Lie Can Wound For Life.

RELATIONSHIPS ARE BUILT ON TRUST WHERE IS THE TRUST WHERE THERE IS NO SACRIFICE

I don't think there is anything wrong with escorting, and if a man wants to have a serious relationship with an escort, then he should understand that what she does in her professional life has nothing to do with her feelings for her man in her personal life. Unless a man is secure within himself, he should not consider dating an escort. Besides, lack of self confidence is very anti seductive. Why would a woman want to be with a man who is not confident within himself?

[DirtySouth]

I don't think there is anything wrong with escorting, and if a man wants to have a serious relationship with an escort, then he should understand that what she does in her professional life has nothing to do with her feelings for her man in her personal life. Unless a man is secure within himself, he should not consider dating an escort. Besides, lack of self confidence is very anti seductive. Why would a woman want to be with a man who is not confident within himself?

True, but confidence doesn't help when that STD test comes back with some bad news. Its already bad enough that most of us are very promiscuous anyway....adding onto that with TS escort (even GG too) who has sex for money...2-3 times a day for years straight is really uping the ante. Let alone unprotected sex which is most likely to occur in a serious relationship.

I think that if a serious relationship is on the table, she just needs to stop escorting. We can talk about theories all day...show me someone who has been in lasting, healthy, consistent relationship for YEARS where the tgirl is escorting. I'll co-sign then.

[ROC]

I RETRIEVED THIS POST FROM CHANELS BLOG AND I FEEL IT'S WORTH RE-POSTING UP IN HERE....... HOPE YOU DON'T MIND CHANEL.......


For you guys who haven’t dated or been in the company of a transwoman (ladyboy, shemale..etc.) here a a few tips. This is for actual dates where you meet for dinner or drinks or coffee and money is not exchanged for the company.

1) DO: Use correct pronouns. SHE is not a “He” no matter what the doctors said at birth.

2) DON’T: Tell her she looks like a woman. Compliment her on how she looks (if you feel like it), but for goodness sake don’t act surprised. That tells her you expected a “man in a dress”.

3) DO: Be punctual, or communicate if you wil be running late. It’s polite and lots of TGs get stood up. Being really late with no explanation or warning tells anyone that they aren’t really important.

4) DON’T: Ask her what her “Real” name or “boy” name is. This probably brings up an unpleasant time in her life and it is often used by people to keep us in our place as “not really women” or “failed men”.

5) DON’T ask to see a picture of when she looked like a guy. Same as above but way way more. If you ever do see a picture of her from this time, understand that she is showing you herself when she was probably feeling her worst.

6) DO: Try to impress her. You don’t have to treat her like a princess, but you should use your best dating manners (ask what she likes to do, pay attention to her, smile alot).

7) DON’T: Treat her like your buddy. It’s like above, but more. Don’t leave her alone while you chat up another girl. She won’t take that as well as your guy friends would. Walk her to her door, even if you aren’t getting sex.

DO: Understand that she is an individual and has her own likes and dislikes. It will help your cause if you don’t assume too much about her.

9) DON’T: Ask about her genitalia or transgender history in public, or at least do it quietly. Most of us try to live unobserved in our daily lives. Broadcasting that your date has or had a penis is simply not safe for either of you.

10) DO: Have fun! Take her to a place you are both comfortable, get to know eachother, laugh and makes jokes, be relaxed and be prepared to have a great night with a woman who will notice and appreciate every little kindness and polite gesture you make.

[TSSexyChanel]

I Retrieved This Post From Chanels Blog And I Feel It's Worth Re-posting Up In Here....... Hope You Don't Mind Chanel.......


for You Guys Who Haven’t Dated Or Been In The Company Of A Transwoman (ladyboy, Shemale..etc.) Here A A Few Tips. This Is For Actual Dates Where You Meet For Dinner Or Drinks Or Coffee And Money Is Not Exchanged For The Company.

1) Do: Use Correct Pronouns. She Is Not A “he” No Matter What The Doctors Said At Birth.

2) Don’t: Tell Her She Looks Like A Woman. Compliment Her On How She Looks (if You Feel Like It), But For Goodness Sake Don’t Act Surprised. That Tells Her You Expected A “man In A Dress”.

3) Do: Be Punctual, Or Communicate If You Wil Be Running Late. It’s Polite And Lots Of Tgs Get Stood Up. Being Really Late With No Explanation Or Warning Tells Anyone That They Aren’t Really Important.

4) Don’t: Ask Her What Her “real” Name Or “boy” Name Is. This Probably Brings Up An Unpleasant Time In Her Life And It Is Often Used By People To Keep Us In Our Place As “not Really Women” Or “failed Men”.

5) Don’t Ask To See A Picture Of When She Looked Like A Guy. Same As Above But Way Way More. If You Ever Do See A Picture Of Her From This Time, Understand That She Is Showing You Herself When She Was Probably Feeling Her Worst.

6) Do: Try To Impress Her. You Don’t Have To Treat Her Like A Princess, But You Should Use Your Best Dating Manners (ask What She Likes To Do, Pay Attention To Her, Smile Alot).

7) Don’t: Treat Her Like Your Buddy. It’s Like Above, But More. Don’t Leave Her Alone While You Chat Up Another Girl. She Won’t Take That As Well As Your Guy Friends Would. Walk Her To Her Door, Even If You Aren’t Getting Sex.

Do: Understand That She Is An Individual And Has Her Own Likes And Dislikes. It Will Help Your Cause If You Don’t Assume Too Much About Her.

9) Don’t: Ask About Her Genitalia Or Transgender History In Public, Or At Least Do It Quietly. Most Of Us Try To Live Unobserved In Our Daily Lives. Broadcasting That Your Date Has Or Had A Penis Is Simply Not Safe For Either Of You.

10) Do: Have Fun! Take Her To A Place You Are Both Comfortable, Get To Know Eachother, Laugh And Makes Jokes, Be Relaxed And Be Prepared To Have A Great Night With A Woman Who Will Notice And Appreciate Every Little Kindness And Polite Gesture You Make.



Lol You Are Fast Becoming An Authority On All Things Chanel I Love It Anything I Post On The Net Is Free Fodder For The Most Part Maybe It Can Help Someone.

[BigJoeKrash]

Well i have had a few LTR with T-girls. It just didnt stay the same. I mean the last one got really lazy and messy.


But to answer your question yes there is a chance

[TSSexyChanel]

Well i have had a few LTR with T-girls. It just didnt stay the same. I mean the last one got really lazy and messy.


But to answer your question yes there is a chance


That sucks and not the way that can make one cum. LOL

[junintoiro]

There are many transgendered women looking for a serious relationship, and there are non porn websites where you can meet them. There are also organizations in many cities where you can meet transgendered women as well. I think that finding a transgendered woman to have a relationship may be more difficult than with a genetic woman, but it is not impossible.

Know of any in ATL???

[anonymoussonny]

I am thoroughly impressed with the intelligence, insight and frank nature of the conversations here. Thank you all for sharing your observations; I have been a lurker in these types of conversations for some time. I hold out hope that I will one day meet a lady and we can accept each others situations.

Pauses... thinks about sharing all my anguish... shakes head slowly...

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[Skye]

it's very possible once you get away from the generalizations and negativity. Many girls crave the comfort and affection of a stable ltr. We're leary of entering these things, because of our experiences... just like some of u guys are jaded, so are we. there are men out here that sound completely the same and for the one that you think is different and give a chance, a "relationship" equals free sex, no more.

DS come on, you know you can't compare a ts escort and a gg escort. a gg can walk anywhere no matter how ugly she is and get a job. a gg escort is often times too lazy to utilize the many resources available to her. A ts escort makes it in a world that makes it difficult to survive. we all know the story so I don't need to break it down. don't get it twisted, there are some messy twisted tgirls out here, but not all of us.

As far as the escorting game goes, transitioning is expensive. Most of you work and do you have the disposable income to dedicate to plastic surgery, hormones, laser/electrolysis, etc? Most working folk make enough to get by and little more. Just because a girl escorts, that doesn't make her who she is. There are many girls who work a job and escort as a side hustle to cover expenses. Its just a way to work the system. Guys want you but want you as their little secret. They want to fuck and not have to deal with the humanity of the girl. The escort game is learned for most girls. When u get sick of being fucked either literally or in life.... the least u can do is get paid for it. That doesn't make a girl a bad person, but human nature makes us evolve and adapt to our situations. Just like the average straight guy doesn't have a clue where to meet a tgirl, so he patrols the stroll. He's a john because he knows what he wants and where to go to get it, not because he's a womanizer or a john in nature.

Long story short, its very possible but an abnormal amount of patience and dedication is required. Don't expect a working girl to believe when u say u want to build a relationship. Also, remember, as much as you want her, why would she want you? Make yourself marketable. And just because a girl looks good and doesn't make her gf material. Some of the most beautiful girls are the ugliest people once you get into them. If ur 50, why would a twenty something girl want you for anything more than a sugar daddy in most cases. If she's younger than your children, you can't possibly expect something real to grow.

[MrKnockOut]

it's very possible once you get away from the generalizations and negativity. Many girls crave the comfort and affection of a stable ltr. We're leary of entering these things, because of our experiences... just like some of u guys are jaded, so are we. there are men out here that sound completely the same and for the one that you think is different and give a chance, a "relationship" equals free sex, no more.

DS come on, you know you can't compare a ts escort and a gg escort. a gg can walk anywhere no matter how ugly she is and get a job. a gg escort is often times too lazy to utilize the many resources available to her. A ts escort makes it in a world that makes it difficult to survive. we all know the story so I don't need to break it down. don't get it twisted, there are some messy twisted tgirls out here, but not all of us.

As far as the escorting game goes, transitioning is expensive. Most of you work and do you have the disposable income to dedicate to plastic surgery, hormones, laser/electrolysis, etc? Most working folk make enough to get by and little more. Just because a girl escorts, that doesn't make her who she is. There are many girls who work a job and escort as a side hustle to cover expenses. Its just a way to work the system. Guys want you but want you as their little secret. They want to fuck and not have to deal with the humanity of the girl. The escort game is learned for most girls. When u get sick of being fucked either literally or in life.... the least u can do is get paid for it. That doesn't make a girl a bad person, but human nature makes us evolve and adapt to our situations. Just like the average straight guy doesn't have a clue where to meet a tgirl, so he patrols the stroll. He's a john because he knows what he wants and where to go to get it, not because he's a womanizer or a john in nature.

Long story short, its very possible but an abnormal amount of patience and dedication is required. Don't expect a working girl to believe when u say u want to build a relationship. Also, remember, as much as you want her, why would she want you? Make yourself marketable. And just because a girl looks good and doesn't make her gf material. Some of the most beautiful girls are the ugliest people once you get into them. If ur 50, why would a twenty something girl want you for anything more than a sugar daddy in most cases. If she's younger than your children, you can't possibly expect something real to grow.

you dropping knowledge shortie. good stuff

[Ms Remy M]

I agree, good reply Skye

[anonymoussonny]

Thoughtful reply... Skye, you continue to impress.

[johnmagnum]

Just speaking from my opinion. If she were 100% passable I could eaisly have a ts girlfriend. But in the real world, most of the TS I run into escort and are addicted to it. Unless you are prepared to date a escort and deal with the STD issue, it will not work. There is no way I would proactively date a escort with the goal of a relationship. We can be friends, kick it, what ever but at the end of the day, she is still a escort. The std thing scares me the most. I get tested 2x a year and so far I am negative across the board. If you ever have a STD scare it will change your life. I use a lot of magnum's, hence my name and plan to stay STD free.

[chriss2732]

relationships are a hard thing for both men and women and trannys.
its not easy being in or out of one now a days women have fucked man,
over and man have fucked women over.
trying to be in a reationship with tranny is a hard thing to do.
not trying say any bad about it but its more :confused: to with
them then it is to be with a woman a girl with a dick,
it kind of hard to look past that.
from chriss2732 new on this site not the life:

[peggygee]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.

Necro-posting again, as I feel that I might have some additional perspectives
to add.

Not that I am all that and a bag of chips, but I can't say that I have had
a herstory of men dealing with me on the down low, and or being a dirty little
secret.

I've been in LTRs, have met the family, friends, and co-workers. In terms of
being perceived as a sex object I have had men lust over me, but both they
and I knew that I was not a fetish object.

I feel that the distinction is due to my level of self esteem. Some women
measure how "real" they are by how many men they can bed down with, or
if the men are at their live's, me I prefer quality over quantity.

Also, I have been fortunate that I transitioned young, got all my work done,
and at the same time obtained an education and marketable skills. So now
I'm post op, have a career, and have assimilated into mainstream society.

Germane to the topic at hand, I personally feel that being in the sex industry
is more of an impediment to being in a relationship that is the fact that the
woman is trans. On a personal note I have dated men who were strippers,
did porn, were gigolos, were slinging, or engaged in other types of illicit
activities and I found it stressful and difficult to deal with.

[SEXYTSJESSDOTCOM]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.

AAAAAAAALRIGHT I can diggggg it.. Truly spoken WELL. But one thing that keeps Poppin up was.. this AFF site... come the hell on now.. I deleted my account for that main reason. Anything Sexual based online... is NOT a good look. I ran into Several Clients and Fellow CHASERS. So it was deleted. Relationships can happen. Depends on Both parties. Depends on Trust levels. I meet men through Escorting tried the Relations with the small number of ones that SLIP through the barriers. Since thats how THEY always claim how they ONLY meet me. lol like i dont hang out in NORMAL places on my PERSONAL time. lol. Not to mention. I met 2 People from this particular site. Who were very ATTRACTIVE men who i would DATE on my PERSONAL time. But after talking to one of them. They CLAIMED it was just a fantasy. I projected that, HEY after u have done played the FANTASY role out and did the deed.. then a DOMINO effect evolved. ITS NO LONGER a "FANTASY". Point blank its WHAT U LIKE!! If tgirl Admires insist that they look at us as "women" they wouldnt be all this SECRECY behind CLOSED doors. Dnt get me wrong. Some of them would GO ANYWHERE with a tgirl...ESPECIALLY out in public. But wen it comes to there SOCIAL network..Friends,Family Immediate circle.. U CAN Cancel Christmas. lol Thats were the internal conflict emerges. WHAT FULL BLOWN trannys are going to Put up with that? Relation ships ARE Tough! The mental has to be there from both to start. The trust has to be there.. EVERY THING ELSE can BE WORKED OUT. ACCORDINGLY.

[SEXYTSJESSDOTCOM]

[QUOTE=DirtySouth;2499]Well said brother. Its hard not to treat a girl like a sex object when 95% of them are escorts. When it comes to relationships, I tell some of my closest t-girl friends that they will see a huge difference in the men that they attract if they stop escorting. Most just ignore me and would rather make a man conform to dating an escort rather than to take responsibility to change their lifestyle on their own. Some girls just cant give up the fast money. I don't knock them for that. I just have a problem when the girls throw the double standard on a man thats sincere about dating them.

OHHH Please come on now...I HAVE SEVERAL Gurlfriends that have Degrees, Great Jobs, Live/Lived Normal lives. Changed their look up DRASTICALLY. AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ALLLLL SAID!!! and i tell no lies. Once a man found out what was really going on in those laperla's... THE FANTASY kicked in. ITS N HUMAN nature. It happens to all of us! If we are an Escort, or a 9-5 Business Woman. AT THE END OF THE DAY. THE ISSUES ARE STILL THERE. Which RESULTS MANY OF TS' TO JOIN THE EROS GUIDE! Be no fool. But hey im nobody...IM JUST SAYING !!! MY PERSONAL FACTS. It happend to me yesterday. I went to Arundel Mills mall yesterday. Did some Exchanges on my Electronic Cigarette... Met this Young SEXY LIGHT SKINNED MATURE Young MAN. Talked for a bit.. Went our ways.... PLANNED ON GOING TO THE MOVIES/Dinner...... ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm so After Dinner i told him i was a TRANNY.... HE WAS SHOCKED FOR ABOUT 10 minutes.... THEN CAME THE SHYT u BAD AS HELL MA.... Im CURIOUS THOUGH.... THATS B 4 he even Knew that i was an ESCORT.... PLAYING ON EVEN TURF... SO NOW WHAT?? I hand him a business card.. lol <in wendy williams voice> "how u doing?"

[Ms Remy M]

AAAAAAAALRIGHT I can diggggg it.. Truly spoken WELL. But one thing that keeps Poppin up was.. this AFF site... come the hell on now.. I deleted my account for that main reason. Anything Sexual based online... is NOT a good look. I ran into Several Clients and Fellow CHASERS. So it was deleted. Relationships can happen. Depends on Both parties. Depends on Trust levels. I meet men through Escorting tried the Relations with the small number of ones that SLIP through the barriers. Since thats how THEY always claim how they ONLY meet me. lol like i dont hang out in NORMAL places on my PERSONAL time. lol. Not to mention. I met 2 People from this particular site. Who were very ATTRACTIVE men who i would DATE on my PERSONAL time. But after talking to one of them. They CLAIMED it was just a fantasy. I projected that, HEY after u have done played the FANTASY role out and did the deed.. then a DOMINO effect evolved. ITS NO LONGER a "FANTASY". Point blank its WHAT U LIKE!! If tgirl Admires insist that they look at us as "women" they wouldnt be all this SECRECY behind CLOSED doors. Dnt get me wrong. Some of them would GO ANYWHERE with a tgirl...ESPECIALLY out in public. But wen it comes to there SOCIAL network..Friends,Family Immediate circle.. U CAN Cancel Christmas. lol Thats were the internal conflict emerges. WHAT FULL BLOWN trannys are going to Put up with that? Relation ships ARE Tough! The mental has to be there from both to start. The trust has to be there.. EVERY THING ELSE can BE WORKED OUT. ACCORDINGLY.

Good point!

[vidman]

Dirty, you make excellent, excellent points my man. Just because I browse the transsexual chat lines and websites doesn't make me any different than any other man looking for a woman. Now, I am just as wild about GGs as I am TGs and I never get the ridicule from the GGs about the chat lines and websites. I've never had a biogirl call me a pu--y chaser. Why is it that transsexuals call guys tranny chasers just because we are attempting to put ourselves in the paths of transsexual women? I just don't understand. It's not like I see transsexuals at the grocery store or the gas station. If I saw transsexuals on a daily basis, like I see genetic girls, then that would be something different. I am definitely not going to 708 to meet TG girls because I would be playing myself out at that point. Now that's a tranny chaser!!! If I saw the same chic at the club every weekend hollaring at different dudes, she would be deemed a man-chaser. I would be stupid and well deserving of the title "tranny-chaser" if I did that.

Now, if I were to judge transsexuals like they judge men, then it would be all out war. Many many transsexuals are escorts, callgirls, prostitutes....whatever you wanna call it. In these economic times, you have to do what you can to survive. Especially when odds are stacked against you. Transsexuals are highly discriminated against. I understand this dynamic and with that said, I would date an escort if I really liked her. I wouldn't hold escorting against her. We men could easily call TGs money chasers because that's all it is, but most men understand the dynamics of the situation. I surely hope, someday, that TG women can stop looking so harshly at men just because they have an account with Black-T-girls or Shemale Yum. Just because I'm on BGC doesn't make me a tranny chaser. Hell, I have an account on Black Planet too! Does that make me a pu--y chaser? I like conversing and looking at pretty women, is that so bad? Afterall, I am a man. But then again, I could be out here escorting (clearing my throat). Catch my drift?

Ladies, don't get upset with this post. This is not a wage of war, I am just pontificating. I would really like to break down the barriers that have been put up between men and transsexuals. Maybe then, real relationships could begin to develop.

[Ms Remy M]

You made many good points as well vidman!!

[TVSURFER]

Well said brother. Its hard not to treat a girl like a sex object when 95% of them are escorts. When it comes to relationships, I tell some of my closest t-girl friends that they will see a huge difference in the men that they attract if they stop escorting. Most just ignore me and would rather make a man conform to dating an escort rather than to take responsibility to change their lifestyle on their own. Some girls just cant give up the fast money. I don't knock them for that. I just have a problem when the girls throw the double standard on a man thats sincere about dating them.



When you have a gay couple, you have two people that are entirely attracted to each other and have ignored the issue of reproduction and will take the road to adoption if need be. A str8 male who dabbles in trannies and a tranny herself are usually at odds about that /and in most relationships, its the deal breaker. A guy wanting to be with a tranny is still a guy who leans towards being with a woman. He's going to be constantly reminded of his instincts to have children. Its like having a Ferrari with a Honda Civic engine. Yeah it looks like a Ferrari but when you go to hit the throttle, youre reminded of what it really is. Also, a lot of t-girls want to be submissive in responsibilites (the feminine emotions) to the household but want to be dominant in calling the shots (masculine instincts) and this usually can become a problem when dealing with a respectable man. Yes, the same can be said about GGs. Just more rampant per ratio with the Ts in my experience.
Excellent thought, DS.
:cool:

[Ivo_Corbier]

ive recently gotten into a relationship with a tg. pretty intriguing things are going well. shes korean and i noticed that korean tg's seem more normal and cool to be with than crazy ass GGs which is ironic only issue is sometimes she feels down cause she cant have kids and im like dont worry about

that if anything, adopt. or "breed" a GG who is down to which she laughs
besides that it feels just like being with a GG minus the issues