Club Cobra is Back and Now it is BLACK !!

[kilakali]

The once popular Club Cobra is back with a majority black crowd on Thursday Nights. A friend told me about it awhile back, but at the time it was full of gay guys. Now the BTG's are populating the place. I was there this past Thursday and I couldnt believe all the girls that were there. Mystique, Malibu Barbie, Jaguar, Diamond Long (there for her birthday) just to name a few and a ton of new faces (which you all will see on this site) some real killer girls. I will be back with some new club pics when I attend next week.....:cool:

[bibba]

:) SaWeeet!!!!!!! :)

[GroobySteven]

Good stuff!
Cobra was always fun and I loved Blue Moon Nights - the problem was with Blue Moon, Buddy Wood focussed so much energy into making it a great night and developing it as a breeding ground for new models, that all the other bottom feeders came and hijacked the girls.
Hopefully, they'll stand out more in the new Cobra.

Let's go the next time I'm in town KK!

[bigdicki]

Good stuff!
Cobra was always fun and I loved Blue Moon Nights - the problem was with Blue Moon, Buddy Wood focussed so much energy into making it a great night and developing it as a breeding ground for new models, that all the other bottom feeders came and hijacked the girls.
Hopefully, they'll stand out more in the new Cobra.

Let's go the next time I'm in town KK!

Bottom feeders? Do you mean other websites/porn producers?

[BigJoeKrash]

Good stuff!
Cobra was always fun and I loved Blue Moon Nights - the problem was with Blue Moon, Buddy Wood focussed so much energy into making it a great night and developing it as a breeding ground for new models, that all the other bottom feeders came and hijacked the girls.
Hopefully, they'll stand out more in the new Cobra.

Let's go the next time I'm in town KK!


Sounds like Buddy should of hired some Doormen

[kittymatthews]

lol.
I wish more clubs/parties were like Hamburger Mary's. It's the only party for trans girls that i know of that doesnt' seem like it's all about finding girls to star in porn. I'm turning 21 in a few days and i plan on hitting the clubs and thats the one ill go to. :D

[GroobySteven]

lol.
I wish more clubs/parties were like Hamburger Mary's. It's the only party for trans girls that i know of that doesnt' seem like it's all about finding girls to star in porn. I'm turning 21 in a few days and i plan on hitting the clubs and thats the one ill go to. :D


Actually the great thing about Blue Moon and Cobra is that they weren't like that, which is why the girls all came and Buddy could meet them.

Perhaps you actually better turn 21 and go to some clubs first before you pass judgement?

[GroobySteven]

Bottom feeders? Do you mean other websites/porn producers?

Oh you know them?

[kittymatthews]

Actually the great thing about Blue Moon and Cobra is that they weren't like that, which is why the girls all came and Buddy could meet them.

Perhaps you actually better turn 21 and go to some clubs first before you pass judgement?

Yeah well, i've spoken to plenty of men who have attended these parties/clubs and they'd beg to differ. I'm not sure how you could honestly say that Blue Moon wasn't like that since they had "porn star parties", but i understand im probably talking about a friend. The point i was making is that most of these parties seem to have vested interest in the industry, which is ok. I just know when i'm 21, i'm gonna wanna just go and have a good time, which out of all the clubs Mary's seem to be the most fun/come as you are. And Sean, if I'm getting this impression of the clubs without attending them, that should speak to you about the way they're produced and advertised. Just food for thought. I'm not complaining honestly, it just seems to me that the vast majority of trans clubs in la have a foot in the sex industry, which is again, fine, but i dont see that really being echoed in the straight community

There was a guy on youtube who reviewed some trans clubs in socal, if i can find it i'll put the link up. Most guys i've spoken to who've attended those clus said it felt very much like a working ground. I also have heard complaints about certain "bottom feeders" as you put it being agressive/pushy with girls.

But youve got a point. I wont really know until i go! And I shall one day for sure. :)

[GroobySteven]

Yeah well, i've spoken to plenty of men who have attended these parties/clubs and they'd beg to differ. I'm not sure how you could honestly say that Blue Moon wasn't like that since they had "porn star parties", but i understand im probably talking about a friend. The point i was making is that most of these parties seem to have vested interest in the industry, which is ok. I just know when i'm 21, i'm gonna wanna just go and have a good time, which out of all the clubs Mary's seem to be the most fun/come as you are. And Sean, if I'm getting this impression of the clubs without attending them, that should speak to you about the way they're produced and advertised. Just food for thought. I'm not complaining honestly, it just seems to me that the vast majority of trans clubs in la have a foot in the sex industry, which is again, fine, but i dont see that really being echoed in the straight community

There was a guy on youtube who reviewed some trans clubs in socal, if i can find it i'll put the link up. Most guys i've spoken to who've attended those clus said it felt very much like a working ground. I also have heard complaints about certain "bottom feeders" as you put it being agressive/pushy with girls.

But youve got a point. I wont really know until i go! And I shall one day for sure. :)


Yes they are "porn star parties" if you put it that way, they're advertised in that way as we sponsor them. It's got nothing to do with a friend running them - our name is on them.

That still doesn't mean, it's an audition night for porn stars, or that they're not incredibly acceptive places for any girls to go and hang-out and actually have fun, which is why such a wide range of girls came to them.

Previously clubs like Peanuts were purely pick-up joints for working girls. Cobra and Blue Moon especially, were far more relaxed places where girls and guys could just hang out.

[kittymatthews]

lol. Alright sean dont take it personal. Tellin ya how i feel. Personally i dont know many girls (real girls) who are going to clubs with porn stars as the main attraction and since it seems so common, I'm just saying it would be nice to more just -fun- parties. Chances are, i'm not going to wanna mingle with guy who's comming to a club to meet a porn star. I hope that doesn't offend you but it's how i feel.

[Ms Remy M]

I think what she's getting at, is that Porn themed parties tend to have a lot of built up pressure, to be looking the best, dressed the best, known by the best. Whether guys realize it or not, there's a lot going on in the girls head and amongst their circles of friends, knowing that people that can make or break your porn career may be in attendance, so it creates an air of competition amongst the girls, more so than a regular club. Any club being promoted by a porn company obviously it's to be expected that porn stars are going to be there, so guys are going in hoping to hook up/recruit with porn stars.

I too wouldn't personally attend a function like that, have no desires to be judged by other people. I tend to be more of a bar girl than club anyway though so I'm biased. I want to be able to hear the person I'm speaking to. lol

----------------
Now playing: The Kidneythieves - Before I'm Dead (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+kidneythieves/track/before+im+dead)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[GroobySteven]

lol. Alright sean dont take it personal. Tellin ya how i feel. Personally i dont know many girls (real girls) who are going to clubs with porn stars as the main attraction and since it seems so common, I'm just saying it would be nice to more just -fun- parties. Chances are, i'm not going to wanna mingle with guy who's comming to a club to meet a porn star. I hope that doesn't offend you but it's how i feel.


Your point of view doesn't "offend" me.
Your naiveity and cynicism does though.
Don't be offended - but make your own mind up through your own experiences not by proxy.

[brandonnsdiego]

Great News! I hope to be able to come up soon!

[kittymatthews]

I think what she's getting at, is that Porn themed parties tend to have a lot of built up pressure, to be looking the best, dressed the best, known by the best. Whether guys realize it or not, there's a lot going on in the girls head and amongst their circles of friends, knowing that people that can make or break your porn career may be in attendance, so it creates an air of competition amongst the girls, more so than a regular club. Any club being promoted by a porn company obviously it's to be expected that porn stars are going to be there, so guys are going in hoping to hook up/recruit with porn stars.

I too wouldn't personally attend a function like that, have no desires to be judged by other people. I tend to be more of a bar girl than club anyway though so I'm biased. I want to be able to hear the person I'm speaking to. lol

----------------
Now playing: The Kidneythieves - Before I'm Dead (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+kidneythieves/track/before+im+dead)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)


Seanchai, if you dont get what i'm getting at, read this. It's exactally what i'm getting at. I"m not saying the porn parties are bad parties, i'm sure they're great! However,i get the impression, just from looking at the websites that host the parties that they're the type of parties where some girls really have to make sure they dot their 'i's and cross their 't's.

And again, if this is my impression of a club and i haven't attended, that says something about the way the club is promoted. When i invision going out to a club, i wanna have fun. I wanna let loose get drunk, ect. I dont feel like competing or being amongst the girls who are competing with each other.

I know you're taking this personally, and i appologzie for that. The point i was making is that there aren't enough parties that i can find in LA where there isn't an emphasis/foot in the industry and that ultimatley attracts a certain crowd. That's alllllllll i'm saying.

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai, if you dont get what i'm getting at, read this. It's exactally what i'm getting at. I"m not saying the porn parties are bad parties, i'm sure they're great! However,i get the impression, just from looking at the websites that host the parties that they're the type of parties where some girls really have to make sure they dot their 'i's and cross their 't's.

And again, if this is my impression of a club and i haven't attended, that says something about the way the club is promoted. When i invision going out to a club, i wanna have fun. I wanna let loose get drunk, ect. I dont feel like competing or being amongst the girls who are competing with each other.

I know you're taking this personally, and i appologzie for that. The point i was making is that there aren't enough parties that i can find in LA where there isn't an emphasis/foot in the industry and that ultimatley attracts a certain crowd. That's alllllllll i'm saying.

But you haven't beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen to them!
Make your own impressions, unfortuantely you can't any longer at Blue Moon but that club and Cobra when Buddy promoted it were the most inclusive TS clubs I've ever been at, with far less clique's then anywhere else. Just because their are girls who work in porn there, it doesn't mean you have to cross or dot anything. There were girls from the most basic part-timers through to TS's who've lived that way and worked (not always in porn) for many years.

Make your own impressions before dismissing stuff.

[Ms Remy M]

Good point, but you'd apparently be surprised by how many of the 'it' girls are gossiping and laughing amongst themselves about other girls that aren't up to par. I think guys are just oblivious to all that, too much TnA going on for them to care. lol :p

----------------
Now playing: A Perfect Circle - Judith (Renholder Mix) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/a+perfect+circle/track/judith+(renholder+mix))
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[GroobySteven]

Good point, but you'd apparently be surprised by how many of the 'it' girls are gossiping and laughing amongst themselves about other girls that aren't up to par. I think guys are just oblivious to all that, too much TnA going on for them to care. lol :p

----------------

Another one talking who has never been there.
FYI - THAT goes on in all clubs and bars. Every bar has an IT crowd regardless of whether TS, Gay or Hetero ... and regardless if there are pornstar types there or not.
You've met Brittany St.Jordan? There is a "pornstar" who wouldn't fit into that 'IT" mould.

[Ms Remy M]

Another one talking who has never been there.
FYI - THAT goes on in all clubs and bars. Every bar has an IT crowd regardless of whether TS, Gay or Hetero ... and regardless if there are pornstar types there or not.
You've met Brittany St.Jordan? There is a "pornstar" who wouldn't fit into that 'IT" mould.

Haha, I was waiting for the "never been there" line, which is what my "Good Point" was for. The girls I've known that have gone, said I wouldn't care for it, good enough for me. Like I said, the guys are viewing this issue with different eyes. I did admit to being biased though, I generally prefer bars over 'clubs' anyway. Now, if you had a live band rock and/or Jazz, and I'd be there. :p


----------------
Now playing: A Perfect Circle - Weak And Powerless(Tilling My Grave Mix) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/a+perfect+circle/track/weak+and+powerless(tilling+my+grave+mix))
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Ms Remy M]

Every bar has an IT crowd regardless of whether TS, Gay or Hetero ... and regardless if there are pornstar types there or not.
You've met Brittany St.Jordan? There is a "pornstar" who wouldn't fit into that 'IT" mould.

lol There are so many jokes I have running through my head right now! lol Have you seen the British show The IT Crowd? http://www.tv.com/shows/the-it-crowd/ One of the funniest shows on tv my friend. lol *shakes head* They are the "IT Crowd" I'd rather hang with. Please, check it out, or I can send to you if needs be, they are making a 'USA' version but I have my reservations about that. Richard Ayoade is an awesome writer and wrote/directed another good brit movie 'Submarine' that just came out not long ago. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1440292/

Yeah Brittany is my home girl, miss her so much. Just saw some pics from her Club shoot recently actually, looking good. I do worry that after being out West too long, that whole culture will rub off on her though.

----------------
Now playing: A Perfect Circle - Blue (Bird Shake Mix) (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/a+perfect+circle/track/blue+(bird+shake+mix))
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[kittymatthews]

But you haven't beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen to them!
Make your own impressions, unfortuantely you can't any longer at Blue Moon but that club and Cobra when Buddy promoted it were the most inclusive TS clubs I've ever been at, with far less clique's then anywhere else. Just because their are girls who work in porn there, it doesn't mean you have to cross or dot anything. There were girls from the most basic part-timers through to TS's who've lived that way and worked (not always in porn) for many years.

Make your own impressions before dismissing stuff.

Let me restate myself yet again

I do intend on going to them, but i wish most clubs/parties that i've seen didn't have an undercurrent of the sex industry. Look sean i dont really know how much clearer to put it. My cis girlfriends would probably never go to a party thrown by Brazzers or other porn companies.

The point i'm making is on paper if i could choose a party produced by a porn company that states that its stars are going to be in attendance (which ultimatley means their fans will be too) or just a party thrown for tgirls to have fun, i'd choose the later. That's alll i'm saying. I'll probably still head into the clubs that you produce and form my own opinion, but -i'd personally- rather go to somewhere the industry isn't influencing because i can assure you that the competition is going to be a lot less intense.

[vidman]

Let me restate myself yet again

I do intend on going to them, but i wish most clubs/parties that i've seen didn't have an undercurrent of the sex industry. Look sean i dont really know how much clearer to put it. My cis girlfriends would probably never go to a party thrown by Brazzers or other porn companies.

The point i'm making is on paper if i could choose a party produced by a porn company that states that its stars are going to be in attendance (which ultimatley means their fans will be too) or just a party thrown for tgirls to have fun, i'd choose the later. That's alll i'm saying. I'll probably still head into the clubs that you produce and form my own opinion, but -i'd personally- rather go to somewhere the industry isn't influencing because i can assure you that the competition is going to be a lot less intense.


Did someone say BRAZZERS!!!!! Now they produce some FIYAH porn!!!! Some of the sexiest girls in the industry!! Ooops, my bad. Didn't mean to change the topic. Sorry:o

[GroobySteven]

Let me restate myself yet again

I do intend on going to them, but i wish most clubs/parties that i've seen didn't have an undercurrent of the sex industry. Look sean i dont really know how much clearer to put it. My cis girlfriends would probably never go to a party thrown by Brazzers or other porn companies.

The point i'm making is on paper if i could choose a party produced by a porn company that states that its stars are going to be in attendance (which ultimatley means their fans will be too) or just a party thrown for tgirls to have fun, i'd choose the later. That's alll i'm saying. I'll probably still head into the clubs that you produce and form my own opinion, but -i'd personally- rather go to somewhere the industry isn't influencing because i can assure you that the competition is going to be a lot less intense.

Let me restate myself as despite making myself perfectly clear, you are choosing not to understand.

Form your own opinions - just because a porn company sponsors a nightclub night and lots of tgirls SOME of whom happen to be a pornstars, turn up with other tgirls specifically to have FUN then it doesn't make it any different from any of the other party/bar nights. If you think that the fans of the pornstars that go to these nights are going to be treating you any different from guys that go to any other tgirl club (and are interested in tgirls) then you are going to be sorely disappointed.

It doesn't always have to an argument, it doesn't always have to be black and white and you don't always have to have the last word.

[kittymatthews]

You're being hostile. You're taking it personally. I'm simply stating that i'd rather go to a party without that element than i would with that element. That's not a personal attack or a preconcieved notion. Again my cisgendered girlfriends wouldn't go to a party/club sponsored by Brazzers.

It's fascinating to me that you act like these clubs don't have this element in them. Interesting how most of the people i've spoken to who have attended these clubs haven't felt that way. I'm more than willing to make up my own mind and change my opinion, which for now the 3rd time i plan on attempting. However, going to a porn release party vs. going to a release party for Gunhill Road im gonna pick Gunhill Road.

[Ms Remy M]

You're being hostile. You're taking it personally. I'm simply stating that i'd rather go to a party without that element than i would with that element. That's not a personal attack or a preconcieved notion. Again my cisgendered girlfriends wouldn't go to a party/club sponsored by Brazzers.

It's fascinating to me that you act like these clubs don't have this element in them. Interesting how most of the people i've spoken to who have attended these clubs haven't felt that way. I'm more than willing to make up my own mind and change my opinion, which for now the 3rd time i plan on attempting. However, going to a porn release party vs. going to a release party for Gunhill Road im gonna pick Gunhill Road.

Im going to the GunHill Road party!!! I don't ever see myself attending Porn events like AVN/Urban X whatever...

I also have a thing about not going places, where people I don't want to be around will be at. I have to admit, I will never be a fan of LA in general though so that's always somewhere I shall avoid. 12/12/12 is around the corner too, fuck that shit, just hoping San Fran survives any of Mothers wrath.

----------------
Now playing: Atreyu - Atreyu - This Flesh a Tomb (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/atreyu/track/atreyu+-+this+flesh+a+tomb)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[jigglygmoney]

Seanchai, if you dont get what i'm getting at, read this. It's exactally what i'm getting at. I"m not saying the porn parties are bad parties, i'm sure they're great! However,i get the impression, just from looking at the websites that host the parties that they're the type of parties where some girls really have to make sure they dot their 'i's and cross their 't's.

And again, if this is my impression of a club and i haven't attended, that says something about the way the club is promoted. When i invision going out to a club, i wanna have fun. I wanna let loose get drunk, ect. I dont feel like competing or being amongst the girls who are competing with each other.

I know you're taking this personally, and i appologzie for that. The point i was making is that there aren't enough parties that i can find in LA where there isn't an emphasis/foot in the industry and that ultimatley attracts a certain crowd. That's alllllllll i'm saying.

Ok Kitty,

Its been a while since I've been in LA, but I knew of a few 'less competitive' places you could go to. There was a neighborhood type bar @Santa Monica and Western call The Blacklite. Dont know if its still open. Also I believe the Frolic III was also a T-bar. Maybe u should start off in that setting before u venture out into the club scene. I'm sure theres more places around like the 2 I mentioned, maybe Seanchai or Remy can point u in the right direction.

[jigglygmoney]

You're being hostile. You're taking it personally. I'm simply stating that i'd rather go to a party without that element than i would with that element. That's not a personal attack or a preconcieved notion. Again my cisgendered girlfriends wouldn't go to a party/club sponsored by Brazzers.

It's fascinating to me that you act like these clubs don't have this element in them. Interesting how most of the people i've spoken to who have attended these clubs haven't felt that way. I'm more than willing to make up my own mind and change my opinion, which for now the 3rd time i plan on attempting. However, going to a porn release party vs. going to a release party for Gunhill Road im gonna pick Gunhill Road.


Just wondering, what does an indie film have to do with this discussion? Btw, A friend of mine met the director of that film and said he was a jerk, so I doubt I'll be supporting the film. I'm just sayin.

[kittymatthews]

Club Tranzit recently held a release party for Gun Hill road. I'd rather be in a crowd of people who are supporting a movie like Gun Hill Road than I would a porn party. Simply put. Sure im in the industry, but my involvement ends when i shut my webcam off, simply put.

Oh and as a film student I can tell you most people who work in film are douche bags. It doesn't really matter to me since i'm used to it. When i want to be entertained, i'll watch a movie like gunhill road. I wont watch a porno. So it only makes sense that when wanting to be entertained, i'd go to a party releasing a film i support over a porn party.


BUt to be real, i feel as though i'd feel exponentially more comfortable at a straight bar than i probably ever would at a trans club. But i wont know til i go. So who knows!! Time will only tell. :)

[GroobySteven]

Oh and as a film student I can tell you most people who work in film are douche bags. It doesn't really matter to me since i'm used to it. When i want to be entertained, i'll watch a movie like gunhill road. I wont watch a porno. So it only makes sense that when wanting to be entertained, i'd go to a party releasing a film i support over a porn party.



Really?
Because I was a film student also and worked for the BBC and a number of a film companies and still go along to sets. I barely know a douche bag in that industry, most are very nice people.
Maybe it's just your personality Kitty. God knows, you make it easy to be disliked. :rolleyes:

[kittymatthews]

Sean i wrote a long response to your last comment but let me give you the spark notes version.

The reason you and some men don't get along with me is because I am a hell of a lot smarter than your average 20 year old transsexual. I have a strong opinion and I do not change it unless I am enlightened. I do not have a desperate need for your attention, your acceptance or your support. Therefore, I do not feel the need to pretend as though I agree with everything you do. My comments were not personal attacks yet you responded to me with such hostility I had to assume that you took them as such. Truth is, a secure man and a successful club promoter wouldn't waste his time trying to convince me that what they do is good. They would move on. Well instead you took my comment very personally and decided to attack me and my personality.

Truth is. The TRUTH is that a lot of the times I don't get along with these men on this because they simply cannot stand my strong opinion and my strong personality. They're used to these submissive little girls who are willing to work extra hard to prove that they are worthy and these belligerent delusional chicks who will do anything for a dime. They're used to girls who shut up and take it or take them. Well baby, i'm not like that.

I came into this thread SIMPLY stating that I wish that there were more parties that weren't funded by porn companies. I didn't say parties funded by porn companies were bad or that we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying I wish there were more places where a trans girl could escape the bullshit that the industry puts onto girls.

Sean your reaction tells me that something you're doing isn't successful. After all, Blue Moons did shut down. Because again, a man who is successful wouldn't pay mind to my comments. So perhaps I won't even attempt to open my mind to going to one of your porn parties after all. Why would I want to deal with such sensitive characters?

At the end of the day i could really give a fuck if you like me, if the men that jerk off to your porn like me or if other girls like me. I am going to have success in this world and I know it. I am going to be a strong transsexual woman who in the future will become an example and nurturing figure to the trans community. And at the end of the day I dont need you for any of that.

So with all due respect sir, go fuck yourself.

[GroobySteven]

So with all due respect sir, go fuck yourself.

Nice way to talk your way out of here.

Here's the problem with you Kitty. You are smart and you are opinionated - all of which I respect in any person. However, you are a hypocrite, you are immature, you are desperately naive and you think you are smarter than you actually are. At 20, that's probably fine but let's hope you can grow out of it, like most of us did.

You come into this forum with an agenda which you espouse which generally goes along the lines of "I don't like my dick", "I don't like guys into TS's", "Why do people like to look at dick". It's an agenda which you like to promote and you just aren't that good at it! You are completely happy to sell your dick and your transgenderism either for money, or the attention of guys into TS's and whose validation you seem to desperately need, while putting yourself above them.

... and for those reasons, as well as the fact, you simply refuse to accept anybody who questions anything you have to say, I have little respect for you.

As for the "go fuck yourself" ... get the fuck out of here and come back when you've matured and can give the same respect for the people here, that you claim to want.

[TDIY]

Wrong.

Simply put I am more honest and straight forward about my preferences than most girls are. I know plenty of girls who work in the industry who do the exact same thing. Well known trans porn star, Danielle Foxx went through a sex change operation and has had previously a long carrer in trans porn. You can't tell me that someone who gets a sex change is comfortable with their penis.

Furthermore, no actually, i am smart and I dont come to this forum with an agenda. I come to this forum because it is a black transsexual porn forum and I, well am a black transsexual who works, though in small capacity, in the industry. THAT'S why I'm here. It would be counter productive for me to make these arguments on this type of forum. However they come up and I stand strongly by my convictions. If you think I hate my dick, you dont know me very well. I am a non operative transsexual who masturbates 3-4 times a day and has no issue with mutual masturbation and touching. I am however, a bottom.

Your industry benefits off of the fetish within transsexuality. The beautiful woman with a phallus. The reversal of gender roles for the man who's used to being in an active role with a woman. That is how you make your money. In fact it is a requirement that everyone who shoots for your website be comfortable playing with their dick and having a cum shot. All things I'm very very very aware of. However, simply because your industry makes money off of that doesn't mean that is how i feel about my sexuality. If you think that there aren't trans women in your industry who put a smile on their face while being slightly uncomfortable, then well, you're fooling yourself. Plenty of girls fund their sex changes through working in the sex industry.

I understand men who like transsexual like dick 98 percent of the time. I've accepted that. Doesn't make me want to fuck a guy in the ass though. Sorry. I still enjoy what I do in the capacity that I do it and just because i dont like fucking a guy in the ass doesn't mean i wont jerk off for him on camera or in his face and in his mouth.

I think while you may know a lot of trans women, you dont understand them very well. You dont understand their motivations and you don't understand how they think. And well, you never could. Just because I dont want to go to your porn party doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. I'd just rather go to a party that has more fun less networking. Simple as that.

And again, if you have little respect for me, well i never cared for your respect. I dont need validation from men and i dont need validation from your audience. I have more than enough men in my life to keep me satisfied and attended to enough. If I wanted attention I'd work in your industry in larger ways than I already do. And well i'm pretty sure if I did, I could be successful. I don't want attention. Fact of the matter is, i'm in it because i'm an exhibitionist and because i like money. I'm just not afraid of admitting it.

[GroobySteven]

Why did you come in through a different name?

I've let you have the last word, now take your agenda and all your other issues and come back, when you can show the aforementioned respect.

You think you know men who like transsexuals, you don't.
Get out of here.

[TDIY]

Well i'm pretty positive we can figure out why i came back with another name. :)

Listen Steven, i made a little comment about how i'd like there to be less porn funded parties in the LA area and you took it to heart. I'm fascinated as how Ms Remy can sit there and agree with me yet you still don't really get where I"m coming from. It's nothing personal against you or your company, but rather my personal preference. I find the way you reacted to be pretty petty. Specially when the comments weren't a personal attack.

I dont understand trans attracted men and I never will. I do however know that a trans girl who uses and loves and embraces her dick is valued over those who feel differently. If things weren't that way you wouldn't have the parameters for your own porn shoots. You wouldn't feature trans girls on the covers of your DVDs with captions about big dicks. Trans attracted men like trans cock. That's what they pay for that's what they want. And while I can't pretend i understand them, i've allowed them to define themselves. I know from my own personal experience and extensive conversations, interviews and interrogations i've personally given men the the primary fascination with trans women IS their penis. And if that weren't true, they'd just fuck cisgendered women.

But that's all. You dont value my opinion or my bluntness. Most men who can't stand the truth can.

The reason I've come through on a different name is because i'm pretty sure you're going to ban me. Which if you do, I'm going to need you to remove everything i've uploading to this website. Thanks.

[GroobySteven]

Well i'm pretty positive we can figure out why i came back with another name. :)

Listen Steven, i made a little comment about how i'd like there to be less porn funded parties in the LA area and you took it to heart. I'm fascinated as how Ms Remy can sit there and agree with me yet you still don't really get where I"m coming from. It's nothing personal against you or your company, but rather my personal preference. I find the way you reacted to be pretty petty. Specially when the comments weren't a personal attack.

I dont understand trans attracted men and I never will. I do however know that a trans girl who uses and loves and embraces her dick is valued over those who feel differently. If things weren't that way you wouldn't have the parameters for your own porn shoots. You wouldn't feature trans girls on the covers of your DVDs with captions about big dicks. Trans men like trans cock. That what they pay for that's what they want. And while I can't pretend i understand them, i've allowed them to define themselves. I know from my own personal experience and extensive conversations, interviews and interrogations i've personally given men the the primary fascination with trans women IS their penis. And if that weren't true, they'd just fuck cisgendered women.

But that's all. You dont value my opinion or my bluntness. Most men who can't stand the truth can.

The reason I've come through on a different name is because i'm pretty sure you're going to ban me. Which if you do, I'm going to need you to remove everything i've uploading from this website. Thanks.

It doesn't explain why you came in with a different name? Your original name was working and yes, you are pretty much inline for taking a break from this site, not only for the fuck you.

Anybody who constantly has to assert that they "are smart" probably isn't that smart. They can read a book and pass an exam, they can use long words but they have no experience in life and even less at handling their own mindset. As I mentioned, most people grow out of that, so I really hope you do.

I understand exactly where you are coming from. I understood from your first post when I simply told you, to try it for yourself, instead of listening to others. Unless you experience and form your own opinions from that direct experience, then you don't have the right to comment. It's a shame that Buddy closed his night, as successful as it was and now you won't get the opportunity to try. Your constantly coming back at me, is an attack. If you don't understand that, then try learning how to communicate properly, that would be "smart". Being "blunt" isn't necessarily the virtue you think it is, great communication skills are far more important.

You could do a lot worse than behave more like Ms. Remy, who doesn't need to show her body on a black transsexual porn forum for validation from men, whom she doesn't understand (I think you understand them just fine). Apart from when Ms.Remy is purposely confusing me, her communication skills, manners and class, speak volumes.

Of course a "penis on a female" is a major underlying factor in those interested in transsexuals but it doesn't mean that every guy wants to get fucked by it or every guy into TS's obsess on it, although I concur that does account for a lot of interest in the porn side of it.
I digress though, that was never even a discussion or an issue here, apart from specifically calling you out on your hypocrisy of showing off your penis, when it suits you, for reward - yet complaining about guys who are into dick.

So once again, I'll ask nicely. Stay or go, if you stay, start having some respect - if you go, then you are welcome to return when you can understand the difference between being blunt and communication, and then show that respect here.
If you aren't interested in either of those options, then with the same due respect, you give me, you know what you can do.

This doesn't need a response.

[CosmicTraveler]

If you guys are gonna fight, it should be for your right to party.

Edit: That wasn't there when I started typing this... >_>

[vidman]

If you guys are gonna fight, it should be for your right to party.

Edit: That wasn't there when I started typing this... >_>

Did somebody say fight:confused:

[Ms Remy M]

I would like to add that Seanchai didn't come off as taking it personal and/or attacking you. Well, that did change after the "go fuck yourself" bit which raised my eyebrows, as it seemed unwarranted. Respect, for everyone here should allows be maintained and to reduce yourself, unnecessarily to cursing shows how personal you are taking it Kitty. It's just a party, not something to make a big deal out of. Your lack of attendance would say all that needs to be said.

I'm also not saying that the party's aren't 'fun', just not the type of scene I want to spend my night in. I know what I like 'from experience' though I haven't been to those trans clubs, I know I like to hear a live band, over a bombardment of stripper/club music. I know I want to be able to still hold a conversation with someone without having to raise my voice. I know I like to be around like minded people that aren't going to judge or put me down off in the corner, cause I don't dress up in label dresses and whatnot, I'm a rocker girl at heart, so when I show up I'm in tight jeans, motorcycle boots, and a halter top, that's about as dressed up as this girl gets. I'm not knocking anyone who wants to go to these type of events, because meeting someone you have been a fan of can be a powerful moment, being able to chill out and yuck it up with the who's who, does mean something to some people. There's no one I could possibly meet out there way across the country that would benefit me, but again, if I actually lived out there, and they featured live local bands, I might stop through for hot minute. I will be the first to admit that I'm a peculiar person, I enjoy being unique and a bit off kilter, and occasionally, I like pissing people off, but to a point.

85% of the time you seem like a very cool girl and someone to get to know more fully, but you do tend to take things very personally yourself Kitty. Some battles are worth fighting, and others not so. I didn't even see this as a real debate at first. Simply stating that the porn trans parties aren't your scene was fine and should have been left at that, but it persisted. I do agree with you mostly, and I tried to explain as best I could how 'we' see it differently from the guys that are attending these events. Chile, all I can say is it's not really that big of deal, the events will go on with or without one or two girls attending. Have fun where you do enjoy yourself at, and enjoy life because not everyone is out to attack you. The hormones chile! They will put you in one emotional state, there have been more than a few times, were I've typed something out and then in hindsight I realized I might just be 'bitching' and removed it. Then later after I've calmed down, I realized it wasn't that big of a deal and I was glad I removed it. I really do appreciate your bluntness, but you can be blunt, debate, get your point across without lowering yourself in the process, and THAT is where you lost me.

Respect!


----------------
Now playing: Puscifer - Queen B (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/puscifer/track/queen+b)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[GroobySteven]

I actually don't care for clubs. Even at the TS clubs you are more likely to find me at the bar or outside, I just don't care for the music or how loud it is.

Like yourself Remy, give me some live tunes - rock, jazz, blues, a nice long bar or lounge and I'd rather sit there and listen to the music and talk with mates.

[Ms Remy M]

I actually don't care for clubs. Even at the TS clubs you are more likely to find me at the bar or outside, I just don't care for the music or how loud it is.

Like yourself Remy, give me some live tunes - rock, jazz, blues, a nice long bar or lounge and I'd rather sit there and listen to the music and talk with mates.

Yep, another reason we get on so well. Toss in some Sierra Nevada's and a ton of laughs and it's a great night. Love to sit around talking comics, film, and general life all night long.

----------------
Now playing: Puscifer - Queen B (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/puscifer/track/queen+b)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[GroobySteven]

Try this one.

[Ms Remy M]

Try this one.

That's a new one for me, don't think I've heard of it. Micro brews are my favs though when it comes to lagers so next time I'm out and about will try asking for it. Might have to try the Tap House, local bar with over 200 lagers on tap, and more bottled.

----------------
Now playing: Arctic Monkeys - Arctic Monkeys - Dancing Shoes (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/arctic+monkeys/track/arctic+monkeys+-+dancing+shoes)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[SHAUN]

Wow, gr8 stuff!...

Might this mean - in some roundabout way - we're gonna get more stretched and gaping ass shots?...

...If so, this debate/non-debate has been most worthy!

Joking aside, a lot of the points on both sides resonated with me, despite the fact that the apparent debate - about club nights - was just a "trojan horse" for more serious points to be aired... (And nothing wrong with that; the inception of most valuable feelings and opinions often have their origins in apparent trivia)

As for the trivia: I also would much rather sit around a bar with live music where I can chat and hear what's being said without raising voices.

As for the real debate: I would have to agree that TS porn-stars/performers are fetishised and marketed SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY for their cock, as opposed to the fact that they are sexxxy and gorgeous and willing to perform in a whole variety of visually stimulating ways, which surely is the pertinent thing!...


Ordinary Female pornstars/performers are not fetishised and marketed specifically and exclusively for their vagina, so why are TS performers so (in)conveniantly boxed thus?

There is not enough room to give the answers here, BUT, there can be little doubt that the PORN INDUSTRY, following the path of least resistance, collaborates with a specific male sub-culture that is literally obsessed (I repeat, OBSESSED) with "tranny cock"... (This is where I agree with Kitty, and to take her point to its logical conclusion, one could argue that the TS wing of the Porn Industry caters almost exclusively, and most slavishly and unimaginatively, to repressed homosexuals who are not quite ready to shake off the chains of social convention and take the leap of faith that their loins crave, bless them)

I don't mean to blame the TS Porn Industry for this dynamic; it's EASY $$$s to cater for this one dimensional, monolithic, single issue, cock-worshipping fraternity... (Athough I would point out that even MORE $$$$s can, and will, be made by representing ALL the errogenous zones of TS Women, not just their dicks... The TS sites that fill this vacuum first will reap massive rewards)

And I certainly dont mean to promote myself as some hippy goody-goody shining knight on a white horse trying to fight for the right of TS Porn performers to be represented in a more realistic and rounded way.... Hell knows, I'm selfish AND I'm a paying customer, and I just want MORE pics n vids of spread-open TS ass!

Like I've argued for a decade or so now: a TS Porn performer is more than a DICK with a babe attached!!!!... And us guys - the silent majority here - continue to want MORE ass shots!

If TS porn is ever going to escape the cock-obsessed circus side-show it has made of itself, and in the process, maybe, just maybe, do something really cool for TS Women at large, then it will have to continue to address how it promotes it's stars and performers.

Having said that, I have to acknowledge that Grooby - particularly with contributions from Ms Remy, Buddy Wood and Frank - is well on its way to representing TS performers completely fully as seductive, slutty, bewitching feminine sirens (which, of course, is how most men prefer women when watching porn, duh!) and not just a dick-on-legs.

More and more on Grooby sites I am enjoying the gorgeously femme models stroke and caress EVERY part of their bodies, not just their dick... And even better than that, I am loving the increased attention to TS models PLAYING WITH THEIR ASS.... spreading it, stretching it, fingering it, rubbing it etc, and teasing/inviting the viewer while doing so... THIS is feminine seduction how most guys want it!

I think Kitty made some really good points - notwithstanding her comments about "not understanding" men who like TS dick - but she should not expect the TS Porn Industry to cater for, or resolve, the vulnerable position of TS Women in larger society...

But.......If more and more sites follow Grooby's example of representing TS Porn performers as WHOLE BEINGS then, with a bit of luck, there may be a positive pay-off for TS Women throughout society at large (particularly in terms of men who are too chicken-shit to accept their attraction to all forms of femininity, and who currently view such acceptance as an admission/confession of being a freak or gay.... If I were walking out with Mia Isabella or Luxury on my arm, do you think I would care what anyone else thinks about that lol?... Only a true, genuine POOF would care what others think)

Me personally, being the shallow devil I am, I just want to see more gaping ass shots.

SHAUN

"The last time I checked, TS Women have more than just one errogenous zone" - Me

[GroobySteven]

As for the real debate: I would have to agree that TS porn-stars/performers are fetishised and marketed SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY for their cock,


Ordinary Female pornstars/performers are not fetishised and marketed specifically and exclusively for their vagina, so why are TS performers so (in)conveniantly boxed thus?

SHAUN


I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

[Ms Remy M]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.


I see where Seanchai is coming from here. Go to a sex toy store and you'll see all manner of genital toys marketed specifically off of female stars as well. Looks is another thing I stress toward models, you don't need to be a 'dime' to make it in this industry as it's 75% about the performance. The most beautiful chicks on this planet can try and do porn, but if their performance is bland and boring, few are going to spend money on it. The burst of amateur content over the last few years on the internet has only emphasized this more fully.

----------------
Now playing: Garbage - Supervixen (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/garbage/track/supervixen)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[thegreat1]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.


I see where Seanchai is coming from here. Go to a sex toy store and you'll see all manner of genital toys marketed specifically off of female stars as well. Looks is another thing I stress toward models, you don't need to be a 'dime' to make it in this industry as it's 75% about the performance. The most beautiful chicks on this planet can try and do porn, but if their performance is bland and boring, few are going to spend money on it. The burst of amateur content over the last few years on the internet has only emphasized this more fully.

----------------
Now playing: Garbage - Supervixen (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/garbage/track/supervixen)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

I agree 100%...id much rather see a '7' chick going super hard than a '10' dead-fishing it and trying to look cute...same as in real life with me...I'll tell a chick in a minute ' this isn't porn, there aren't any cameras around...stop tryna look cute AND FUCK!'...

[jigglygmoney]

Nice way to talk your way out of here.

Here's the problem with you Kitty. You are smart and you are opinionated - all of which I respect in any person. However, you are a hypocrite, you are immature, you are desperately naive and you think you are smarter than you actually are. At 20, that's probably fine but let's hope you can grow out of it, like most of us did.

You come into this forum with an agenda which you espouse which generally goes along the lines of "I don't like my dick", "I don't like guys into TS's", "Why do people like to look at dick". It's an agenda which you like to promote and you just aren't that good at it! You are completely happy to sell your dick and your transgenderism either for money, or the attention of guys into TS's and whose validation you seem to desperately need, while putting yourself above them.

... and for those reasons, as well as the fact, you simply refuse to accept anybody who questions anything you have to say, I have little respect for you.

As for the "go fuck yourself" ... get the fuck out of here and come back when you've matured and can give the same respect for the people here, that you claim to want.

Kinda makes me wonder why a girl that feels that way would come into a forum like this. I mean, anyone is welcome as long as they respect others I guess. But this doesnt seem like the place for a girl that feels that way. Girls like Luxury and Sasha are perfect for this forum because they arent turned off by a guy worshipping whats between their legs. They're turned on by it. Those are the kind of girls I like. Funny thing, if you go to yahoo transgender chatroom, you'll find a lot of girls who hate their cock. I was there years ago and got cussed out a couple times. LOL I knew then, that wasnt the place for me. Maybe Kitty would find more identification in a place like that. I'm just sayin.

[raheme]

Wow did this turn into a shit flinging contest or what?

I came in here to say that I've heard that most of these ts clubs and parties are for working girls to meet up with tricks.

That's why I've never went to any. I guess I'm just like old girl, id just want to go to a spot where I can chill and have a good time like I would at a regular club.

But I also agree with seanchai, I've never been to one for myself so I can't judge...only saying why I haven't been to one. I guess the thinking is they aren't for guys like me.

[SHAUN]

I know exactly where you are coming from Shaun in terms of what you like but I think your points above are off.

TS performers are fetishised specifically for the point that they have a cock, correct, otherwise a TS performer without a penis, should be able to be in mainsteam porn and that point, they would become mainstream performers (see below). They are not specifically marketed that way though, other parts of their body depending on what makes them different or stand out. Big ass, big lips, nice tits, great face, chubby, pierced - we market within our genre to different sub-niches, depending.

Your point on mainstream models, I beg to differ. They are marketed on their vagina/asses/tits/lips. Let's face it, most of the mainstream stars aren't that great looking. Tera Partick had a good look but winners like Belladonna, Jenna Haze are fairly average girls with a good/nasty sex drive and performances. Mainstream girls are marketed on what sells them also within their niche, whether it be ethnic, body size, hair colour, hairy/shaved/goth/milf etc. but it's still gential-centric.

Yeh I take your points, no probs....

Genital-centric is a good fitting phrase here..... I suppose I just want the TS ass to be afforded genital status (not that I'm trying to re-write the biology books, or anything like that lol)

So, at the risk of repeating myself: guys like me are craving more shots of TS Models playing with their ass like it really really turns them on, like it's a genuine errogenous zone for them...

Infact, even if they're just acting it out (like a lot of ordinary Women Porn performers do) it's still really horny to see Models play with their ass-holes.

I recognise that I luv TS Porn partly because of the genuine unfakeability of a TS Model cumming by stroking her cock... But I also really like the more mysterious/feminine arousal of internal orgasm (even tho it can acted/faked, but like I said that doesn't necessarily bother me)

Anyways, Grooby is moving on and up...

I'm just here to greedily nag and push for a little more TS ass, thats all ;)

SHAUN

[GroobySteven]

Yeh I take your points, no probs....

Genital-centric is a good fitting phrase here..... I suppose I just want the TS ass to be afforded genital status (not that I'm trying to re-write the biology books, or anything like that lol)

So, at the risk of repeating myself: guys like me are craving more shots of TS Models playing with their ass like it really really turns them on, like it's a genuine errogenous zone for them...

Infact, even if they're just acting it out (like a lot of ordinary Women Porn performers do) it's still really horny to see Models play with their ass-holes.

I recognise that I luv TS Porn partly because of the genuine unfakeability of a TS Model cumming by stroking her cock... But I also really like the more mysterious/feminine arousal of internal orgasm (even tho it can acted/faked, but like I said that doesn't necessarily bother me)

Anyways, Grooby is moving on and up...

I'm just here to greedily nag and push for a little more TS ass, thats all ;)

SHAUN

I hear you, like I said, your tastes and mine are similar.
However, as much as we try to balance, when we do a shoot with the girl playing with her ass more, the cock guys complain and when she plays with her cock the ass guys complain.
Each model is unique, we try to get their best assets (no pun intended).

[SHAUN]

I hear you, like I said, your tastes and mine are similar.
However, as much as we try to balance, when we do a shoot with the girl playing with her ass more, the cock guys complain and when she plays with her cock the ass guys complain.
Each model is unique, we try to get their best assets (no pun intended).

lol, I hear ya...

I just want to see the Models play with ALL of their assets from their lips and tits to their ass and dicks... (but especially their ass lol)

SHAUN

[kilakali]

Good stuff!
Cobra was always fun and I loved Blue Moon Nights - the problem was with Blue Moon, Buddy Wood focussed so much energy into making it a great night and developing it as a breeding ground for new models, that all the other bottom feeders came and hijacked the girls.
Hopefully, they'll stand out more in the new Cobra.

Let's go the next time I'm in town KK!

I am defintely down for that, drinks on me?



lol.
I wish more clubs/parties were like Hamburger Mary's. It's the only party for trans girls that i know of that doesnt' seem like it's all about finding girls to star in porn. I'm turning 21 in a few days and i plan on hitting the clubs and thats the one ill go to. :D
Have you ever been to HM? I am almost always there. HM is no different than the rest of the clubs mentioned.. The LB porstars are always there and so are the producers....