Question

[Kazharlem]

On this forum many of people have talked about who they would like to fuck and who they would like to be fucked by and so forth and so on. My question to all of the men in this forum: If you had an opportunity to have a serious long term relationship with a BTG would you? If your answer is no why wouldn't you?

[CosmicTraveler]

I've attempted, and would do so again if I found someone worth the effort.

[vidman]

When you say BTG, are you speaking of girls on the BTG website per-se, hence girls in the sex industry? Or are you speaking about Black Transsexuals in general? Heck yeah, I would date a transsexual for the long haul. Trans-women are beautiful!!! As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP! Don't get me wrong, I still have love and respect for the girls just for battling the daily challenges and struggles they deal with in society merely being who they are. However, I would rather date a girl who has not had to partake in the sex industry. There are far and few in between, but there are some girls out there who haven't touched the sex biz. Far less hang-ups makes for a smoother relationship.

There are expectations on both sides when entering into a relationship. My expectation is....don't treat me like one of the hungry ass Joes that lust after the girls. I'm pretty sure her expectation is........If you don't want me to treat you like a thirsty chaser then don't act like a thirsty chaser when you have a woman right here. I understand that totally. When I enter into a relationship, it's understood that all of my BGC and BTG etc etc will cease and desist, so that is no longer an issue. Being that my issue is now resolved, STOP TREATING ME LIKE A THIRSTY CHASER IF I HAVE STOPPED ALL THE THIRSTY ANTICS!

[tsamberskyi]

i would totally date myself! lol....but yea i tried the whole semi dating one of the girls thing.didnt turn out well,turns out i like men to much.its a shame too.im pretty sure my love life would be soooo much easier if i liked girls.

[CosmicTraveler]

i would totally date myself! lol....but yea i tried the whole semi dating one of the girls thing.didnt turn out well,turns out i like men to much.its a shame too.im pretty sure my love life would be soooo much easier if i liked girls.

Not likely. Men and women are both a pain in the ass. Just on different cheeks.

[Ms Remy M]

When you say BTG, are you speaking of girls on the BTG website per-se, hence girls in the sex industry? Or are you speaking about Black Transsexuals in general? Heck yeah, I would date a transsexual for the long haul. Trans-women are beautiful!!! As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocrisy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP! Don't get me wrong, I still have love and respect for the girls just for battling the daily challenges and struggles they deal with in society merely being who they are. However, I would rather date a girl who has not had to partake in the sex industry. There are far and few in between, but there are some girls out there who haven't touched the sex biz. Far less hang-ups makes for a smoother relationship.

There are expectations on both sides when entering into a relationship. My expectation is....don't treat me like one of the hungry ass Joes that lust after the girls. I'm pretty sure her expectation is........If you don't want me to treat you like a thirsty chaser then don't act like a thirsty chaser when you have a woman right here. I understand that totally. When I enter into a relationship, it's understood that all of my BGC and BTG etc etc will cease and desist, so that is no longer an issue. Being that my issue is now resolved, STOP TREATING ME LIKE A THIRSTY CHASER IF I HAVE STOPPED ALL THE THIRSTY ANTICS!

Actually, there are far more girls that have never entered into the sex industry (but may, says the ever recruiting photog lol) than there are girls that have. It's just that much easier for people to find girls "in" the sex industry and thus the perceived ratio is slanted. ;)

[vidman]

Actually, there are far more girls that have never entered into the sex industry (but may, says the ever recruiting photog lol) than there are girls that have. It's just that much easier for people to find girls "in" the sex industry and thus the perceived ratio is slanted. ;)


I see your point. I guess the girls in the industry are more visible, giving the perception that there are more than not. I guess if they were never in the industry, we would never know about it now would we. lol. Hiya Remy! Long time no talk. How are you?:p

[tsamberskyi]

Not likely. Men and women are both a pain in the ass. Just on different cheeks.

True enough.....sorta lol

[Indy24]

More often then not it seems like every fantasy I have that starts off with a genetic female ends with a ts climax.

Would only be fitting if real life ended that way...

[MrF]

On this forum many of people have talked about who they would like to fuck and who they would like to be fucked by and so forth and so on. My question to all of the men in this forum: If you had an opportunity to have a serious long term relationship with a BTG would you? If your answer is no why wouldn't you?

Heck yeah ! And I would guess that most of the serial posters would. But the non-sex-industry girls, while they may be the majority of TG, are "needles in a haystack" - i.e. rare indeed. C'est la vie.

[Financier]

I wouldn't. I'm only in this thing for sexual satisfaction, nothing more. I want biological children and a tranny can't give me that. Friendship is cool though. I also can't be serious with someone sell themselves for a living or who's highly promiscuous. I might (less than a 3% chance) reconsider if the TS has never prostituted, excuse me, "escorted" and actually makes their living the honest, clean way.

Anyone who fucks with me knows upfront not to expect anything more than sex. We can be friends but never anything more than that.

[Kazharlem]

I wouldn't. I'm only in this thing for sexual satisfaction, nothing more. I want biological children and a tranny can't give me that. Friendship is cool though. I also can't be serious with someone sell themselves for a living or who's highly promiscuous. I might (less than a 3% chance) reconsider if the TS has never prostituted, excuse me, "escorted" and actually makes their living the honest, clean way.

Anyone who fucks with me knows upfront not to expect anything more than sex. We can be friends but never anything more than that.

Interesting comment, I believe quite a few members feel the same way you do. Now, do you ever give a Tgirl the benefit of the doubt? Or do you just consider every Tgirl you meet an Escort?

[Darkness]

To quote Vidman " As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP!"

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

[Financier]

Interesting comment, I believe quite a few members feel the same way you do. Now, do you ever give a Tgirl the benefit of the doubt? Or do you just consider every Tgirl you meet an Escort?
I'm tempted to consider every TS I meet an escort, but that wouldn't be right. I'm not shy about asking them if I have my concerns. Many of them will lie, though. But little do they know, they leave footprints all over which makes it easy to find out who's lying. But since I don't have time to be checking people out, I choose not to get involved with them on a level that would require me to even care if they're escorting or not.

[vidman]

To quote Vidman " As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP!"

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

Totally agree.

[CosmicTraveler]

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.

[vidman]

Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

[Darkness]

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

Cosmic Travaler and Vidman, it seems we've followed similar paths.

[Indy24]

Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.
The ho/housewife rule still applies so who gives a shit what she thinks at that point? Trust me, you are not her only prospect. They play the game to.

[tsamberskyi]

Lol.....you guys are truly amusing

[CosmicTraveler]

Thank you? >.>

[werwt22]

I tried but too many are caught up in "the life" and dont wanna give it up. I have no issues with a girls past but def have a problem if the same continues when were together. I used to hang with a girl that wasnt even in the porn biz...she used to do hair at shows but eventuallly ended up doing porn and it ruined that relationship. Her mentality completely changed when the escorting started.

[werwt22]

Fact is most of these girls want real love, but they arent willing to give up what they should to attain it. And in all honesty, most guys that accept an escorting girl, are with you just to say theyre with you. No real man wants to share his girl with anyone. If she's the one then she's the one....not the one plus 15. When I get home or meet my girl, I wanna kiss her. I dont wanna have to worry about if im kissing dick lips everyday. I could only imagine sitting at the bar overhearing how some guy fucked my girl last night #PISSED!!!

I SPEAK TRUTH!!!! =D

[Kazharlem]

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

I see quite a bit of validity in your opinion. Your opinion also holds true with most "genetic girls" as well. Most people (male & female) love attention. Everyone wants to be the center of someone else's universe, but it seems as if many of us are harder on Tgirls than on everyone else. Why do we see 90 to 99% of Tgirls as escorts or sex industry starlets? I admit the majority of Tgirls I have come across are in the industry either as a model on a porn site or an escort, but that's mainly because of the easy access to them on various porn sites and escort sites. There are 10 times more straight porn sites out there and the "regular escort" sites are also 10 to 20 times larger than Tgirl sites yet I'm sure when you see a nice looking genetic girl on the street you do not automatically think she's an escort or a porn star. Or do you?

[vidman]

I see quite a bit of validity in your opinion. Your opinion also holds true with most "genetic girls" as well. Most people (male & female) love attention. Everyone wants to be the center of someone else's universe, but it seems as if many of us are harder on Tgirls than on everyone else. Why do we see 90 to 99% of Tgirls as escorts or sex industry starlets? I admit the majority of Tgirls I have come across are in the industry either as a model on a porn site or an escort, but that's mainly because of the easy access to them on various porn sites and escort sites. There are 10 times more straight porn sites out there and the "regular escort" sites are also 10 to 20 times larger than Tgirl sites yet I'm sure when you see a nice looking genetic girl on the street you do not automatically think she's an escort or a porn star. Or do you?

I see your point Kaz but I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. You cant really compare it like that because there are more genetic women than transsexual women. For example, 5000 biological women who escort out of 100,000 total biological women doesn't look as bad as 5000 transsexuals who escort out of 5500 total transsexuals. Do you see my point? An overwhelming majority of transsexuals work in the industry. Not the case with biological women. Another example....we all know that our prison system consists of whites and blacks, about 49% to 47% respectively. That doesn't look so bad. But when you look at the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the total US population and we are taking up almost 50% of the occupancy when white people outnumber blacks in this country 7 to 1.......now it looks bad. These are the same examples that apply to the transsexual world.

[tsamberskyi]

I find it very interesting that you guys can make generalities about girls in the industry (and ts woman as a whole) but when ever a girl make generalities about men y'all call foul....#hypocrites

[Financier]

From reading these replies, it sounds like y'all boys are dealing with a lot of unnecessary drama that could potentially stress you out. But I thank you for all for sharing your opinions because y'all have basically strengthened the point I made earlier.

[Indy24]

From reading these replies, it sounds like y'all boys are dealing with a lot of unnecessary drama that could potentially stress you out. But I thank you for all for sharing your opinions because y'all have basically strengthened the point I made earlier.

Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.

[tsamberskyi]

Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.

interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.

[Financier]

interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.
I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

[Financier]

Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.
My lifestyle requires that I keep drama and negative emotions to a minimum because I need my mind to be clear in order to think objectively. If you can continue to deal with it, then you're a better man than me.

[vidman]

interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.

In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

[vidman]

I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!! It's not like transsexuals were born biological women. As far as society sees it, they are men in dress-up. So for them to call us fags is baseless considering they are the same. Good point Finance.

[tsamberskyi]

In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

I actually thought you got a bit disrespectful towards Remy during y'all last spat but that's not really my place to speak on.
But yea I guess we can keep the cycle of abuse going.the guys disrespect the girls, the girls disrespect the guys and so forth.
I actually give all guys the benefit of the doubt at first.its not until the guy says or does something that I start to feel a certain way.you can ask Remy, i'm always defending men much to her annoyance lol.I've been lucky enough to meet a few nice guys so I know that they're out there.
I may be overly opinionated and abrasive at times but I don't call you guys tranny chasers or faggots.I don't chastise y'all or call you all names for what y'all like but you guys do it to girls in the industry.
P.s. interestingly enough you still want thru some drama and that girl wasn't in the industry.speaking on that subject real quick, if what you say is true than I might owe you an apology.at the very least i'm sorry to have gotten into it on the forum, that was messy of me.

[tsamberskyi]

I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.

[Indy24]

I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.

I understand clearly but what you don't understand is that regardless of what amount of "respect" is given that's not gonna give the average escort the red carpet treatment regarding relationships. You fight the disparaging names being called but you can't deny the justifications for them stating the matter. And not knowing if his lovely escort companion has a "hair bump or a cold soar" could change his life for the remainder....

Your opinion is a result of self preservation so only you and TS women of your profession will co-sign that evasive "Pretty Woman" fetish you all tend to dream upon.

Oh and for a tranny to call a man a fag for embracing tranny cock. It can not be proven w/o his co-contributor. So you might wanna use another example to plead your case moving forward.

[Financier]

I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.
I understand the point you were making. I just wanted to say that because I see it far too much. LOL

[Financier]

By the way, what exactly are you all calling disrespect on here? When dealing with females and TS, disrespect usually means not letting them talk to you and treat you any ole kind of way. In other words, setting them straight when you have to. That's usually what they mean by disrespect. So, is that how you all gauge disrespect on here too?

[Ms Remy M]

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

I mostly agree with the sentiments here as more than a few girls popped into my mind whilst reading this bit. I would add that many guys also fall right into the same category once the tables are reversed though.


I see your point Kaz but I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. You cant really compare it like that because there are more genetic women than transsexual women. For example, 5000 biological women who escort out of 100,000 total biological women doesn't look as bad as 5000 transsexuals who escort out of 5500 total transsexuals. Do you see my point? An overwhelming majority of transsexuals work in the industry. Not the case with biological women. Another example....we all know that our prison system consists of whites and blacks, about 49% to 47% respectively. That doesn't look so bad. But when you look at the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the total US population and we are taking up almost 50% of the occupancy when white people outnumber blacks in this country 7 to 1.......now it looks bad. These are the same examples that apply to the transsexual world.

Basically I'm rehashing what I said to you in another thread. The absence of evidence is not evidence of it's absence. Your numbers are completely arbitrary and have no factual numbers to support it. You may primarily know escorts compared to non escorting ts, but that absolutely does not mean that is what the majority of the Trans population consist of just what you've been exposed to.

This isn't toward you specifically vidman, but I do find it interesting how trans admirers claim to only be willing to be involved with non sex industry trans women but practically refuse to engage with trans women outside of the sex industry (i.e porn forums, escorts, porn etc). Step out to a Ball/Pageant, Pride Marches, or the many other LGBT events that are occurring year round and Im certain many trans admirers eyes would widen at the huge population of trans women that have nothing to do with the sex industry.

[Indy24]

Step out to a Ball/Pageant, Pride Marches, or the many other LGBT events that are occurring year round and Im certain many trans admirers eyes would widen at the huge population of trans women that have nothing to do with the sex industry.

Meh....they're too damn clingy.

[Ms Remy M]

I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

Sounds like you may have some deep seeded problems toward trans women, in that you feel trans women are 'males' and just 'dressing up'. A trans woman having sex with a man is not the same as a man having sex with a man. Anal sex in and of itself is not homosexual, it becomes so when done man on man.

[Ms Remy M]

In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

I beg to differ, but I'm passed it so moving on... :cool:

[Ms Remy M]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!! It's not like transsexuals were born biological women. As far as society sees it, they are men in dress-up. So for them to call us fags is baseless considering they are the same. Good point Finance.

Uh, case in point of utter disrespect... :confused:

[Financier]

Sounds like you may have some deep seeded problems toward trans women, in that you feel trans women are 'males' and just 'dressing up'. A trans woman having sex with a man is not the same as a man having sex with a man. Anal sex in and of itself is not homosexual, it becomes so when done man on man.
I have no issues whatsoever, so the pseudo-psychological stuff isn't going to work with me. I just choose to face the truth about what I'm engaging in rather than lie to myself about it by convincing myself a person is something they aren't. Last time I checked, if I'm having sex with someone with a dick and an asshole, its homosexual sex, no matter what the person identifies themselves as. People thinking the way you do is why we have so many men running around, fucking trannies and each other, and still telling the world they're straight.

[tsamberskyi]

I have no issues whatsoever, so the pseudo-psychological stuff isn't going to work with me. I just choose to face the truth about what I'm engaging in rather than lie to myself about it by convincing myself a person is something they aren't. Last time I checked, if I'm having sex with someone with a dick and an asshole, its homosexual sex, no matter what the person identifies themselves as. People thinking the way you do is why we have so many men running around, fucking trannies and each other, and still telling the world they're straight.

wow...this is the reason right there why so many girls (not that im one of them) dont like getting involved with "transsexual admirers".we want someone whos going to accept us as a woman regardless of whats between our legs, not an extension of your homosexual impulses/urges.

[Financier]

wow...this is the reason right there why so many girls (not that im one of them) dont like getting involved with "transsexual admirers".we want someone whos going to accept us as a woman regardless of whats between our legs, not an extension of your homosexual impulses/urges.
What I choose to see you as or what you choose to see yourself as isn't quite in line with the truth. Like I said, the whole dressing up and living as a girl thing is cool and I like it, but I'd be living a lie if I told myself you really were a woman. I can see you as a woman all I want, but that's not gonna change the scientific/physiological truth.

So...you'd rather me just close my eyes to who/what you really are and live my life in denial? You'd rather me call myself straight instead of bisexual or gay? I don't know where y'all are getting this stuff from, but the point my words have been nothing but me stating that I'm not gonna lie to myself. In fact, you CAN'T lie to yourself because subconsciously, you know the truth. If you have a problem with me not lying to myself, then your problem isn't with me....you have an internal issue of your own that you need to work on.

[tsamberskyi]

I understand clearly but what you don't understand is that regardless of what amount of "respect" is given that's not gonna give the average escort the red carpet treatment regarding relationships. You fight the disparaging names being called but you can't deny the justifications for them stating the matter. And not knowing if his lovely escort companion has a "hair bump or a cold soar" could change his life for the remainder....

Your opinion is a result of self preservation so only you and TS women of your profession will co-sign that evasive "Pretty Woman" fetish you all tend to dream upon.

Oh and for a tranny to call a man a fag for embracing tranny cock. It can not be proven w/o his co-contributor. So you might wanna use another example to plead your case moving forward.

i have no problem with some guys not preferring to date girls in the adult industry.i have my own preferences as well, like i would never get involved with someone in the entertainment industry or aspiring to do so.
what i do have a problem with tho it seems that you guys forget that we are people too.ive said it time and time again that just because im an escort i dont cease to be human and have the same desires that drive us all.i know i just want to be loved, accepted and cared for like everyone else.
i also have a problem with men calling woman in the industry hoes,bitches and etc. using words like that to describe someone is a way to objectify and dehumanize them.again we (escorts and porn actresses) are people too.i recently had a convo with a fellow forum member who said we shouldnt break people down to nouns,instead of pronouns.
also please dont pretend to know my motivations,dreams or aspirations.i in no way have ever subscribed to that pretty woman bullshit way of thinking that a man is going to come in and save me.ive had many guys offer and express a desire to take care of me but i know everything isnt what it seems and comes at a price.i for one am not willing to sacrifice my freedom so some dude can take care of me and run my life.yall can keep that lol.

[tsamberskyi]

What I choose to see you as or what you choose to see yourself as isn't quite in line with the truth. Like I said, the whole dressing up and living as a girl thing is cool and I like it, but I'd be living a lie if I told myself you really were a woman. I can see you as a woman all I want, but that's not gonna change the scientific/physiological truth.

So...you'd rather me just close my eyes to who/what you really are and live my life in denial? You'd rather me call myself straight instead of bisexual or gay? I don't know where y'all are getting this stuff from, but the point my words have been nothing but me stating that I'm not gonna lie to myself. In fact, you CAN'T lie to yourself because subconsciously, you know the truth. If you have a problem with me not lying to myself, then your problem isn't with me....you have an internal issue of your own that you need to work on.


that whole "scientific/physiological" argument doesnt work.if you bother to do any actual research on transsexual woman than you would know that scientist have actually found biological and psychological differences in transsexual people.
your truth isnt the truth hun.just because you decree something doesnt make it so.
to be honest i dont care what guys call themselves.ive dated/talked to them all...straight,bi,gay whatever lol.my only thing is if you cant see, respect and treat me as a woman we have nothing to talk about.

[Ms Remy M]

I have no issues whatsoever, so the pseudo-psychological stuff isn't going to work with me. I just choose to face the truth about what I'm engaging in rather than lie to myself about it by convincing myself a person is something they aren't. Last time I checked, if I'm having sex with someone with a dick and an asshole, its homosexual sex, no matter what the person identifies themselves as. People thinking the way you do is why we have so many men running around, fucking trannies and each other, and still telling the world they're straight.

Hey, you are fine labeling yourself gay congrats to you and welcome to the LGBT community, but it isn't your place to label others. I think you have cross dressers (men who dress up in womens clothes) confused with transsexuals (who live their lives as women) there is a huge difference. We don't think, act, or live our lives like men. There are countries that already identify transsexuals as a third sex because the scientific evidence points towards such.


What I choose to see you as or what you choose to see yourself as isn't quite in line with the truth. Like I said, the whole dressing up and living as a girl thing is cool and I like it, but I'd be living a lie if I told myself you really were a woman. I can see you as a woman all I want, but that's not gonna change the scientific/physiological truth.

So...you'd rather me just close my eyes to who/what you really are and live my life in denial? You'd rather me call myself straight instead of bisexual or gay? I don't know where y'all are getting this stuff from, but the point my words have been nothing but me stating that I'm not gonna lie to myself. In fact, you CAN'T lie to yourself because subconsciously, you know the truth. If you have a problem with me not lying to myself, then your problem isn't with me....you have an internal issue of your own that you need to work on.

We are women through and through, you just aren't capable of accepting that. So, since you don't lie, if your friends were to ask about your porn collection would you tell them you watch gay/trans porn? Do you openly identify to the real world around you as gay or is this just the gospel of the anonymous 'Financier'?

[GroobySteven]

What I choose to see you as or what you choose to see yourself as isn't quite in line with the truth. Like I said, the whole dressing up and living as a girl thing is cool and I like it, but I'd be living a lie if I told myself you really were a woman. I can see you as a woman all I want, but that's not gonna change the scientific/physiological truth.


There is plenty of scientific/biological theories to prove otherwise. You don't have the "scientific/physiological truth", it's just a theory you're choosing to go with, I choose to go with another.

All of this is moot. This is a website that mainly featured transgendered women. It's not open for debate, the whole "Am I gay?", "Am I bi" or "is a tgirl a real girl" has been done to death. You're entitled to your opinions but I don't want to hear it on this forum, you can take it elsewhere if you can't get with the ethos of this forum and the girls on this site.

[Indy24]

I have no issues whatsoever, so the pseudo-psychological stuff isn't going to work with me. I just choose to face the truth about what I'm engaging in rather than lie to myself about it by convincing myself a person is something they aren't. Last time I checked, if I'm having sex with someone with a dick and an asshole, its homosexual sex, no matter what the person identifies themselves as. People thinking the way you do is why we have so many men running around, fucking trannies and each other, and still telling the world they're straight.

Huh...different name same bullshit I see.....

What are you taking gay trolling on the road now? So how many born again gays have you recruited then huh? How many have seen the light?

Yeah your post are like a finger print no matter where you crawl from with your
"Pseudo" this..."Pseudo" that. All while posting bullshit in the same breath.

In your world "Pseudo science" is AKA "I wont read a book" Which I guess is an easy way to dismiss anything valid.

But if you wanna classify as an ignorant homo then go right ahead. Indy has other plans.....They all require common sense though.

[Financier]

Huh...different name same bullshit I see.....

What are you taking gay trolling on the road now? So how many born again gays have you recruited then huh? How many have seen the light?

Yeah your post are like a finger print no matter where you crawl from with your
"Pseudo" this..."Pseudo" that. All while posting bullshit in the same breath.

In your world "Pseudo science" is AKA "I wont read a book" Which I guess is an easy way to dismiss anything valid.

But if you wanna classify as an ignorant homo then go right ahead. Indy has other plans.....They all require common sense though.
Born again? Seen the light? Negro....I'm not even religious.

I'm not even gonna bother debating with you because you're nothing but a guy who likes to get fucked in the ass and still running around claiming he's straight. So apparently, the truth of my words was that ether that made your soul burn slow.

[Financier]

There is plenty of scientific/biological theories to prove otherwise. You don't have the "scientific/physiological truth", it's just a theory you're choosing to go with, I choose to go with another.

All of this is moot. This is a website that mainly featured transgendered women. It's not open for debate, the whole "Am I gay?", "Am I bi" or "is a tgirl a real girl" has been done to death. You're entitled to your opinions but I don't want to hear it on this forum, you can take it elsewhere if you can't get with the ethos of this forum and the girls on this site.
Did you just say that a THEORY proves your nonsensical views of the trans community? The views that fuel your denial, I mean. That is an oxymoron. A theory isn't even a fact, so how can it PROVE anything? I'm gonna need you, guys like you and these trannies to get their knowledge up before debating with a intellectual powerhouse life myself.

[vidman]

uh oh:eek:

[Indy24]

Born again? Seen the light? Negro....I'm not even religious.

I'm not even gonna bother debating with you because you're nothing but a guy who likes to get fucked in the ass and still running around claiming he's straight. So apparently, the truth of my words was that ether that made your soul burn slow.
Ether was what sent your remedial ass packing from the other site as most would recall, and can't say that even your kind misses your silly ass either.... So now you wanna post in here as if you'll fair differently? LOL I doubt it, so don't unpack. Lets set the poll at 24-48 hrs.

See... you can't debate anybody when you can't even comprehend anything beyond "Pee Pee's" and "Wee Wee's" So tell me another one son...

[TurboMan]

Lmao @ so don't unpack. Damn!!..Financier you just got shitted on. I just love this shiggity.

[GroobySteven]

Did you just say that a THEORY proves your nonsensical views of the trans community? The views that fuel your denial, I mean. That is an oxymoron. A theory isn't even a fact, so how can it PROVE anything? I'm gonna need you, guys like you and these trannies to get their knowledge up before debating with a intellectual powerhouse life myself.

No you moron, I stated that what YOU claimed was "scientific/physiological truth" was nothing more than a theory or a bunch of theories and there are other theories out there.

"A theory isn't even a fact, so how can it PROVE anything?" - my point exactly, you fuckwit.

[Kazharlem]

In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

I have to admit this senario is one I've seen and heard the most. Many women in the insdustry do get jaded and they do tend have a skewed view. But then again we who are not in the industry can not fathom the amount of assholes they have to deal with on a regular basis. I mean for some men they do begin as the most gentlemanly and repectful men on the planet to get close to a woman only to treat her like shit once they have achieved their goal of "fucking" a pornstar. I've seen it with Tgirls and Genetic Girls.


P.S. Why does every thread posted always go off on some tangent? It's so hard to stay on topic.

[Rozay]

I would why wouldn't I