Just Asking...

[Ms Remy M]

Hanging around set yesterday, the model was talking about how she would need to check with her BF about coming back for a hardcore and in the next breath started showing me pictures of men she has on the side. :confused: If that wasn't enough, she showed me a video of him topping and doing oral both ways sans condom (she kept them in a password protected folder on her Android) so I can see her skills as a bottom. I informed her that she'd need to be tested before she came in for a shoot. In this day and age where you never know who a person had sex with and what they may have it's so important to protect yourself. Even with oral, where I hear the argument that HIV is least likely to be spread and I agree with that, there are still gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, HPV, etc that could potentially be spread to love ones. So, that got me to wondering about how many guys ask for condoms free sexual exploits, or just don't even think about it and take the plunge in the heat of the moment? I kind of feel that the unprotected sex should be left onscreen instead of re-enacting fantasies with people you don't truly know, (heck her BF probably thinks he knows her best, but likely wouldn't be cool with these vids). Understand, I'm not knocking anyone for whatever choice they make, as I know many girls that prefer no condoms in relationships. Just wanted to hear other thoughts on the matter as it's an important adult conversation that people should have, regardless if it's P4P, gf, wife whatever.

[anonymoussonny]

Latex is just the final layer of protection...:(

As you per your report, she isn't a very trustworthy/committed woman, as she has: 1)side dick, 2)secret videos and 3)a charade of a relationship. This is the kind of thing that makes relationships with anyone very serious for me. I have very few people who I call friends, while there are plenty of my associates who probably call me a friend. I value my reputation and lifestyle too much to allow this type of foolishness, as I'm sure most of the men on this site would agree. We men get bad reps for doing this type of thing then being called 'chasers', 'trade', 'thirsty' etc...

Double standards exist all because of perceptions... versus what's reality.

[Ms Remy M]

Latex is just the final layer of protection...:(

As you per your report, she isn't a very trustworthy/committed woman, as she has: 1)side dick, 2)secret videos and 3)a charade of a relationship. This is the kind of thing that makes relationships with anyone very serious for me. I have very few people who I call friends, while there are plenty of my associates who probably call me a friend. I value my reputation and lifestyle too much to allow this type of foolishness, as I'm sure most of the men on this site would agree. We men get bad reps for doing this type of thing then being called 'chasers', 'trade', 'thirsty' etc...

Double standards exist all because of perceptions... versus what's reality.

Well, I only call guys 'chasers' that refuse to openly date a person because they are trans. I have seen a lot of people that will say they would fuck this or that girl, but when it comes to a relationship 'nope'. That's a chaser. Just because a person likes to play the field, in and of itself doesn't make them a chaser. We are all grown consenting adults, just know what you are getting into and play safe. Everyone likes to taste the waters and see what's out there. I've been single for a year now, I'm not chasing, just enjoying life.

I reckon, in part, it's from years of hanging around escorts, and being on these forums, but I've heard so many stories where the guys ask specifically for the girl to cum on their face etc. and I'm just like "dude, you shouldn't want that, you have no idea how many other guys asking for same thing, and then you go back and kiss wife and kids" smh.

[bxboy1984]

Condoms always.
Keep a spare in my wallet just in case me or a friend need one. Only have done condomless with one ex and we were tested once every 3-4 months.

For me, isnt much difference penetration wise,and they make flavored condoms, so Id rather that than something disease wise i cant get rid of.

[DYNACORD]

You know where you have been, but you will never know where the other person has been.

This chick sounds like a real nightmare for anyone who get's involved with her. Good luck to any of the guys.:eek:

[Indy24]

Condom's don't protect you from HPV or HSV-2 if the infected area is around the genitals instead of on it. This is why it's reported that more than 50% of black women have Herpes type 2.

Because of this I've become a lot more paranoid. Relying on sextoys and other hobbies to keep me from doing something stupid. It's like when I am out there I'm chasing an imaginary high anyway....

Meet a bad chick (cis or ts) conquer it with in the process of a 2 weeks then do it all over again.

So yeah... a lot of my previous wild adventures were by the grace of God that I made it out clean. Plus I've seen evidence of infections on women that made me a believer that it's no joke. Which was enough to make me stay in the house more.

[mick foley]

question. why is it that so many industries including black-tgirls use condoms when the paperwork is in tact and the actors are safe and clean??? i kno u all wanna promote safe sex but damn its porn, everyone is documented why cant it be RAW lol? its more fantasy and im pretty sure its hotter and feels good.

[werwt22]

We say be careful whom you love but fact is we cant help it. We put our faith in unfaithful "bitches" all the time. The sad part is we perpetuate the stereotype that no one is trustworthy/faithful, and now we all believe no one is, we do what we do, and sabotage our own relationships. Got a lil sidetracked LOL.

[werwt22]

I dont use condoms in my "REAL relationships", but sad part is so many people lie thats its too hard to trust anyone is being true now, and we all suffer. So yea it "should" be wrapped up, but its hard to explain what should be done when your with someone. There is no real right or wrong in that case

[tsamberskyi]

Condom's don't protect you from HPV or HSV-2 if the infected area is around the genitals instead of on it. This is why it's reported that more than 50% of black women have Herpes type 2.

Because of this I've become a lot more paranoid. Relying on sextoys and other hobbies to keep me from doing something stupid. It's like when I am out there I'm chasing an imaginary high anyway....

Meet a bad chick (cis or ts) conquer it with in the process of a 2 weeks then do it all over again.

So yeah... a lot of my previous wild adventures were by the grace of God that I made it out clean. Plus I've seen evidence of infections on women that made me a believer that it's no joke. Which was enough to make me stay in the house more.


It's possible to have hpv and not have symptoms for years and there's no way to test for it in males.who knows you probably have it and don't even know...

[Indy24]

It's possible to have hpv and not have symptoms for years and there's no way to test for it in males.who knows you probably have it and don't even know...
That's why knowledge is power and you do research instead of living in the dark.

There are over 200 different types of HPV, from the little warts you can get rid of with Compound W. Or they kind that women get that causes cervical cancer. The HPV that appears on the exterior of or around genitals can actually regress after 2 years. Plus my kids mom would get pap test frequently when we're together. She shaves her pubic area and so do I so there's no hidden surprises in the folds.

So even if you did have it at one time and didn't know it, your immune system eventually fights it off and couples who only have sex with each other don't pass it back and forth.

http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/genital_warts.html

As far as Herpes goes. Everyone has a form of that shit. What do you think Chicken Pox are? Hell that stays dormant in your nervous system forever then comes back as Shingles when you're about 60.

[tsamberskyi]

That's why knowledge is power and you do research instead of living in the dark.

There are over 200 different types of HPV, from the little warts you can get rid of with Compound W. Or they kind that women get that causes cervical cancer. The HPV that appears on the exterior of or around genitals can actually regress after 2 years. Plus my kids mom would get pap test frequently when we're together. She shaves her pubic area and so do I so there's no hidden surprises in the folds.

So even if you did have it at one time and didn't know it, your immune system eventually fights it off and couples who only have sex with each other don't pass it back and forth.

http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/genital_warts.html

As far as Herpes goes. Everyone has a form of that shit. What do you think Chicken Pox are? Hell that stays dormant in your nervous system forever then comes back as Shingles when you're about 60.



so its possible to have out breaks that arent visible to the naked eye.also because you might not have an out break doesnt mean you no longer have genital warts.out breaks occur when the immune system is weakened.its also possible to have hpv and never have an outbreak.there is no known cure for hpv.i suggest you read thru the links i've provided.i totally agree with you, knowledge is indeed power.

"While there is no cure for HPV, the good news is the infection often clears on its own. If it does not, and treatment is needed, there are many HPV treatment options. Plus, as more people are vaccinated with the new HPV vaccines, the rates of infection may be greatly reduced."

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/hpv-treatment-is-there-hpv-cure

"HPV infection spreads from one person to another through sexual contact involving the anus, mouth, or vagina. You can spread the warts even if you do not see them.

You may not see warts for 6 weeks to 6 months after becoming infected. You may not notice them for years.

Not everyone who has come into contact with the HPV virus and genital warts will develop them."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001889/

[Indy24]

so its possible to have out breaks that arent visible to the naked eye.also because you might not have an out break doesnt mean you no longer have genital warts.out breaks occur when the immune system is weakened.its also possible to have hpv and never have an outbreak.there is no known cure for hpv.i suggest you read thru the links i've provided.i totally agree with you, knowledge is indeed power.

"While there is no cure for HPV, the good news is the infection often clears on its own. If it does not, and treatment is needed, there are many HPV treatment options. Plus, as more people are vaccinated with the new HPV vaccines, the rates of infection may be greatly reduced."

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/hpv-treatment-is-there-hpv-cure

"HPV infection spreads from one person to another through sexual contact involving the anus, mouth, or vagina. You can spread the warts even if you do not see them.

You may not see warts for 6 weeks to 6 months after becoming infected. You may not notice them for years.

Not everyone who has come into contact with the HPV virus and genital warts will develop them."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001889/

Other than the premise of misery seeking out company, what are you getting at?

[tsamberskyi]

Just providing information...instead of an intelligent response I see you choose personal attacks instead lol

[Ms Remy M]

question. why is it that so many industries including black-tgirls use condoms when the paperwork is in tact and the actors are safe and clean??? i kno u all wanna promote safe sex but damn its porn, everyone is documented why cant it be RAW lol? its more fantasy and im pretty sure its hotter and feels good.

There are some producers that film sans condoms. It's more of a personal preference on my part to not film 'raw intercourse'.

[Ms Remy M]

Other than the premise of misery seeking out company, what are you getting at?

I think the premise was more, just because you don't see actual symptoms doesn't mean a person isn't infected.

By the by, there aren't any 'cures' for any virus, not even the common cold. Vaccines and condoms are pretty much your best line of defense, and of course having a honest conversation with your partner.

[sticky]

Well, I only call guys 'chasers' that refuse to openly date a person because they are trans. I have seen a lot of people that will say they would fuck this or that girl, but when it comes to a relationship 'nope'. That's a chaser. Just because a person likes to play the field, in and of itself doesn't make them a chaser. We are all grown consenting adults, just know what you are getting into and play safe. Everyone likes to taste the waters and see what's out there. I've been single for a year now, I'm not chasing, just enjoying life.

I reckon, in part, it's from years of hanging around escorts, and being on these forums, but I've heard so many stories where the guys ask specifically for the girl to cum on their face etc. and I'm just like "dude, you shouldn't want that, you have no idea how many other guys asking for same thing, and then you go back and kiss wife and kids" smh.



wow that's the first time I've seen someone use the term "chaser" intellectually and sensibly. The way you described the term I totally get and agree with.

[Indy24]

I think the premise was more, just because you don't see actual symptoms doesn't mean a person isn't infected.


Oh I know what she's doing...

[anonymoussonny]

Amber & Indy...would y'all two please fuxx and get it over with!!! :cool:

[Indy24]

Amber & Indy...would y'all two please fuxx and get it over with!!! :cool:


Yeah, nothing spells sexual tension like debating over who might have genital warts....

[tsamberskyi]

Yeah, nothing spells sexual tension like debating over who might have genital warts....

im sorry but where did i say you have genital warts?? i said theres a good possibility you might have it and not know it, the same goes for me. grow up dude...

[vidman]

Indy, you are hilarious!

But on a serious note, yes, all of you are correct. I think Rems said that there is no cure for viruses. This is definitely correct. HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) is a virus that is rarely seen by the eyes. In rare occasions, you might encounter a woman with warts (squamous cells) that have grown on the labia majora (outer vagina lips) or somewhere in close proximity, but these squamous cells normally harbor inside the vagina. Once the penis makes contact with the virus, it is not 100% guaranteed that the male will contract the virus but the chances are great. The bad thing about it is that most males won't show warts at all and are asymptomatic (do not show symptoms at all). In most cases, if a man does produce warts, he is prescribed a drug called Condylox or Imiquimod as a topical agent. These drugs burn the wart(s) off the penis literally. Once the wart is gone, it leaves a sore that has to heal before you can resume with your sexual life (unless you just don't give a fuck). Eventually, the warts will not grow back but that doesn't mean your blood is rid of the virus. It just means that you aren't producing warts. Women aren't generally prescribed Condylox or Imiquimod unless the warts have grown outside the vagina. IF they have grown inside, women have to have a procedure done to have the warts surgically removed (scraped) or there is another procedure where the warts are surgically lasered. Even though all of this drug and surgical treatment has taken place, the virus is still streaming in your blood.

There is a vaccine for HPV called Gardisil and it's made by Merck Pharmaceuticals. This is only a vaccine, not a cure. It's the same concept as the Varicella vaccine that we receive as part of our immunizations when we are children. Varicella Zoster aka Chicken Pox. Even though we are given the Varicella vaccine, it does not cure Chicken Pox virus. It only serves to expose our immune system to either active or inactive virus so that our bodies can produce antibodies so that we can fight better. If the vaccine was the cure then there would be no need to get re-immunized after 7 years.

In addition to not wanting nasty warts glued to our body parts, inside or out, the biggest threat of wart producing viruses is the carcinogenic risks associated with them. Yeah, the warts are bad but there's a bigger, badder wolf. Cancer is real and when you involve organs such as the cervix and testicles, cancer is fatal in most cases. Cervical and testicular cancer are the biggest killers of women and men infected with HPV. The reason warts carry a larger risk of producing cancer is becasue of the type of cells that warts are made of. Warts are made of squamous cells, which in most cases, are cancer causing (carcinogenic). If ever you see a mole that doesn't grow plump and round (kinda like your Mama's/Grandmama's moles on her face and neck) but instead grows flat and round......YOU BETTER GET THAT LOOKED AT PRONTO BECAUSE THAT'S A GROUP OF SQUAMOUS CELLS!!!

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I'm no doctor but I am a Biology graduate with tons of post-baccalaureate work and research. Not only that, but I work for a Pharmaceutical Company as a Drug Rep. I know a lot about disease origins and states (Pathophysiology) and I know a lot about drug MOAs (Mechanisms of Actions) and indications.

[tsamberskyi]

** applauds **

[tsamberskyi]

Indy, you are hilarious!

But on a serious note, yes, all of you are correct. I think Rems said that there is no cure for viruses. This is definitely correct. HPV (Human Papilloma Virus) is a virus that is rarely seen by the eyes. In rare occasions, you might encounter a woman with warts (squamous cells) that have grown on the labia majora (outer vagina lips) or somewhere in close proximity, but these squamous cells normally harbor inside the vagina. Once the penis makes contact with the virus, it is not 100% guaranteed that the male will contract the virus but the chances are great. The bad thing about it is that most males won't show warts at all and are asymptomatic (do not show symptoms at all). In most cases, if a man does produce warts, he is prescribed a drug called Condylox or Imiquimod as a topical agent. These drugs burn the wart(s) off the penis literally. Once the wart is gone, it leaves a sore that has to heal before you can resume with your sexual life (unless you just don't give a fuck). Eventually, the warts will not grow back but that doesn't mean your blood is rid of the virus. It just means that you aren't producing warts. Women aren't generally prescribed Condylox or Imiquimod unless the warts have grown outside the vagina. IF they have grown inside, women have to have a procedure done to have the warts surgically removed (scraped) or there is another procedure where the warts are surgically lasered. Even though all of this drug and surgical treatment has taken place, the virus is still streaming in your blood.

There is a vaccine for HPV called Gardisil and it's made by Merck Pharmaceuticals. This is only a vaccine, not a cure. It's the same concept as the Varicella vaccine that we receive as part of our immunizations when we are children. Varicella Zoster aka Chicken Pox. Even though we are given the Varicella vaccine, it does not cure Chicken Pox virus. It only serves to expose our immune system to either active or inactive virus so that our bodies can produce antibodies so that we can fight better. If the vaccine was the cure then there would be no need to get re-immunized after 7 years.

In addition to not wanting nasty warts glued to our body parts, inside or out, the biggest threat of wart producing viruses is the carcinogenic risks associated with them. Yeah, the warts are bad but there's a bigger, badder wolf. Cancer is real and when you involve organs such as the cervix and testicles, cancer is fatal in most cases. Cervical and testicular cancer are the biggest killers of women and men infected with HPV. The reason warts carry a larger risk of producing cancer is becasue of the type of cells that warts are made of. Warts are made of squamous cells, which in most cases, are cancer causing (carcinogenic). If ever you see a mole that doesn't grow plump and round (kinda like your Mama's/Grandmama's moles on her face and neck) but instead grows flat and round......YOU BETTER GET THAT LOOKED AT PRONTO BECAUSE THAT'S A GROUP OF SQUAMOUS CELLS!!!

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I'm no doctor but I am a Biology graduate with tons of post-baccalaureate work and research. Not only that, but I work for a Pharmaceutical Company as a Drug Rep. I know a lot about disease origins and states (Pathophysiology) and I know a lot about drug MOAs (Mechanisms of Actions) and indications.

i will say i am confused tho. i gave him an intelligent response backed by scientific fact and he tries to insinuate something via an insult but he's the funny one *scratches head*
remember i told you to be careful about what you co sign

[vidman]

i will say i am confused tho. i gave him an intelligent response backed by scientific fact and he tries to insinuate something via an insult but he's the funny one *scratches head*
remember i told you to be careful about what you co sign


Amber, what I've noticed about you is that you are either very insecure or too sensitive. Why do you care so much about who supports who? You spend most of your time trying to police what others are doing/saying. If you spent 6 months getting your own house in order and the other 6 months staying out of other people's houses, who knows where you would be. Even though I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else, let me just clarify this situation. When I typed "Indy, you are hilarious", your post hadn't yet popped up there. So right when I was about to click send, your comment popped up there microseconds before I clicked send. So it appears that I was saying that Indy was hilarious even after you clarified your comment with him. Get it? So in essence, my comment was really a response to this......."Yeah, nothing spells sexual tension like debating over who might have genital warts.... " which is what Indy said. YOU actually took it the wrong way. Indy was only making light humor of it. He wasn't specifically speaking about genital warts. So again, your sensitivity has clouded your ability to rationalize and perhaps chuckle at a lightly humored comment. The bottom line, Amber, is that you worry about the wrong things ma. I can cosign, support, propagandize, sensationalize etc etc anyone or anything I want. I could care less about what you think of me because you have already told me what you think of me and people like me who browse sites like these. So lets be clear, lets not derail this great informative, substantive thread, which is exactly what you just did. If you want to bitch about it, start another one. I probably won't meet you there. See, this is the reason I don't participate on here much anymore. It seems that its the same 2 or 3 people always bitchin about something. I've noticed that lots of people, besides me, have slowed way down on this forum. I would say people are just sick and tired of the bitching and constant scrutiny/policing of every little thing that comes out of someone's mouth by the same few folks.

"Remember I told you to be careful about what you co sign." Woman please!!! Who the hell are you??? You aren't my teacher, Mother, guardian, parole officer, pastor, author or finisher of my fate. Don't chastice me!!! To hell with what you "told" me. Like you're gonna put me in time-out or something. Now, back to the ORIGINAL subject matter. :cool:

[mick foley]

There are some producers that film sans condoms. It's more of a personal preference on my part to not film 'raw intercourse'.

But its the best remy lol

[Indy24]

im sorry but where did i say you have genital warts?? i said theres a good possibility you might have it and not know it, the same goes for me. grow up dude...

God, even sarcasm is lost on you...

I'll grow up and you lighten the hell up.

[ROC]

that's cute, i've never heard a t-girl say dude before.,...smiling

[tsamberskyi]

Amber, what I've noticed about you is that you are either very insecure or too sensitive. Why do you care so much about who supports who? You spend most of your time trying to police what others are doing/saying. If you spent 6 months getting your own house in order and the other 6 months staying out of other people's houses, who knows where you would be. Even though I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else, let me just clarify this situation. When I typed "Indy, you are hilarious", your post hadn't yet popped up there. So right when I was about to click send, your comment popped up there microseconds before I clicked send. So it appears that I was saying that Indy was hilarious even after you clarified your comment with him. Get it? So in essence, my comment was really a response to this......."Yeah, nothing spells sexual tension like debating over who might have genital warts.... " which is what Indy said. YOU actually took it the wrong way. Indy was only making light humor of it. He wasn't specifically speaking about genital warts. So again, your sensitivity has clouded your ability to rationalize and perhaps chuckle at a lightly humored comment. The bottom line, Amber, is that you worry about the wrong things ma. I can cosign, support, propagandize, sensationalize etc etc anyone or anything I want. I could care less about what you think of me because you have already told me what you think of me and people like me who browse sites like these. So lets be clear, lets not derail this great informative, substantive thread, which is exactly what you just did. If you want to bitch about it, start another one. I probably won't meet you there. See, this is the reason I don't participate on here much anymore. It seems that its the same 2 or 3 people always bitchin about something. I've noticed that lots of people, besides me, have slowed way down on this forum. I would say people are just sick and tired of the bitching and constant scrutiny/policing of every little thing that comes out of someone's mouth by the same few folks.

"Remember I told you to be careful about what you co sign." Woman please!!! Who the hell are you??? You aren't my teacher, Mother, guardian, parole officer, pastor, author or finisher of my fate. Don't chastice me!!! To hell with what you "told" me. Like you're gonna put me in time-out or something. Now, back to the ORIGINAL subject matter. :cool:

thats cool vid but when i have certain perceptions about you based on your comments on here or what you choose to co sign than dont wonder why or try to explain.
and how exactly do i feel about the men on here?? i never said anything other than i wouldnt socialize in my personal life with any man off of this forum because i have a strict separation between the industry and my personal life.i however recently broke that rule and ended having my point proven.

[tsamberskyi]

God, even sarcasm is lost on you...

I'll grow up and you lighten the hell up.

...deal lol

[vidman]

thats cool vid but when i have certain perceptions about you based on your comments on here or what you choose to co sign than dont wonder why or try to explain.
and how exactly do i feel about the men on here?? i never said anything other than i wouldnt socialize in my personal life with any man off of this forum because i have a strict separation between the industry and my personal life.i however recently broke that rule and ended having my point proven.

I don't wonder why you have certain perceptions Amber because I don't care what your perception is of me. What I do know is my respect level for the girls on this site or in the industry or of women PERIOD is through the roof and you really wouldn't know that unless you sat down and got to know me on a more solid basis as opposed to a 3 or 4 word comment posted on BTG. If your perception of me is anything other than positive, then you've been paying too much attention to the meaningless 4 word "co-sign" comments and not the real substantive comments that I have left on here in the past.

Again, you took Indy's comment the wrong way. I knew he was being funny. He knew he was only being funny. It seems to have gone over your head. My "hilarious" comment was only in reference to his sarcastic comment and not about the true content of the post. I'm glad you agreed to lighten up a bit. ;)

[tsamberskyi]

I don't wonder why you have certain perceptions Amber because I don't care what your perception is of me. What I do know is my respect level for the girls on this site or in the industry or of women PERIOD is through the roof and you really wouldn't know that unless you sat down and got to know me on a more solid basis as opposed to a 3 or 4 word comment posted on BTG. If your perception of me is anything other than positive, then you've been paying too much attention to the meaningless 4 word "co-sign" comments and not the real substantive comments that I have left on here in the past.

Again, you took Indy's comment the wrong way. I knew he was being funny. He knew he was only being funny. It seems to have gone over your head. My "hilarious" comment was only in reference to his sarcastic comment and not about the true content of the post. I'm glad you agreed to lighten up a bit. ;)

We both know that's not true.if you didn't care what I think you wouldn't of had me call you in the past to explain certain situations and comments made.any way i'm done with this,I have to masturbate now.

[vidman]

We both know that's not true.if you didn't care what I think you wouldn't of had me call you in the past to explain certain situations and comments made.any way i'm done with this,I have to masturbate now.

Can I watch?:eek:

[Ms Remy M]

lmao...

Aside from the pointed sarcasm, I think we are all in agreement that protection and getting to know you partner is very important. Trust when I tell you there are a great many guys and girls out there that don't give a damn about spreading what they already have to the next person.

[vidman]

lmao...

Aside from the pointed sarcasm, I think we are all in agreement that protection and getting to know you partner is very important. Trust when I tell you there are a great many guys and girls out there that don't give a damn about spreading what they already have to the next person.

Ahhh! Now I couldn't agree with you more Ms. Remy. 100%

[Unisex]

Hmm.. I will comment later when I get a chance to thoroughly think more on this.

[Kazharlem]

lmao...

Aside from the pointed sarcasm, I think we are all in agreement that protection and getting to know you partner is very important. Trust when I tell you there are a great many guys and girls out there that don't give a damn about spreading what they already have to the next person.

I totally agree with you on this. Also this is one of the liveliest threads I have read in a while. Thanks for the original question.