so she turned back to he

[raheme]

Has this happened to anyone? A bad chick you used to date decided to give it up and go back to living life as a boy? Did the shit weird you out? I met this chick last year, bad as fuck, feminine, nice fig, pretty face, nice hands and feet, basically all that shit...a year removed and she is now a he. Beard, tats, dreads and all. Even the voice changed. Shook me up for a minute.

[mick foley]

ew. kim carta aka infamous on this site does that all the time. hell yea its creepy

[Ms Remy M]

I can see how some people could feel that way, mostly because they focus on the physical aspects of their being, and not the core of who they are. I've been there once before with someone I was talking to, and had no problem with their decision. I've also known friends that decided to de-transition. It's a very hard and personal decision and me as the person I am could never turn my back on someone on account of that.

[raheme]

I can see how some people could feel that way, mostly because they focus on the physical aspects of their being, and not the core of who they are. I've been there once before with someone I was talking to, and had no problem with their decision. I've also known friends that decided to de-transition. It's a very hard and personal decision and me as the person I am could never turn my back on someone on account of that.

Apples & oranges Remy

If they were a homie, sure I would have there back...but as a potential boo, nah that shit just grosses me out. I think most guys would be repulsed if there nicky minaj turned into nate robinson.

[Indy24]

Apples & oranges Remy

If they were a homie, sure I would have there back...but as a potential boo, nah that shit just grosses me out. I think most guys would be repulsed if there nicky minaj turned into nate robinson.

LOL...You obviously don't know Nicky Minaj's origin.

Fast forward to the 1:05 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttu5-qrsowc


Not quite Nate Robinson but still not the most feminine young girl in the world...

[SHAUN]

I would have no "problem" with anyones decision to flip back and forth between "gender", but I have to admit it would throw me a little... at least until such time as I regain my uniquely perfect balance that only I can attain for myself ;)

As for the vid: intresting stuff, but difficult for me to watch without gagging and throwing up a little in my mouth; I find it very hard to see people pretending to be things that they are not while, er, keeping it real, euuuuchh!

# zombie slaves
# black and white minstrels
# ultimate infinite SELL OUTS

blue eyed devil

[Ms Remy M]

Apples & oranges Remy

If they were a homie, sure I would have there back...but as a potential boo, nah that shit just grosses me out. I think most guys would be repulsed if there nicky minaj turned into nate robinson.

It's not completely apples and oranges as I said I was also in a similar situation. I then also mentioned others who were just "friends". Ultimately, it grosses you out because you aren't entirely comfortable with yourself, and more to the point that individual you are referring to. Love is more than skin deep.

[blk_jnd]

It's not completely apples and oranges as I said I was also in a similar situation. I then also mentioned others who were just "friends". Ultimately, it grosses you out because you aren't entirely comfortable with yourself, and more to the point that individual you are referring to. Love is more than skin deep.

Wow, that's a gigantic leap Remy. It would gross me out too so I don't know what to make of that statement. Say, you got something against red-blooded, skirt-chasing dudes lately?

[raheme]

Wow, that's a gigantic leap Remy. It would gross me out too so I don't know what to make of that statement. Say, you got something against red-blooded, skirt-chasing dudes lately?



Lately??? Lol she's always disliked men. Quite contradicting to me...the ultimate feminist who earns a living via producing porn intended soleley for the purpose of entertaining men.

Is what it is

[tsamberskyi]

Not as contradictory as one would think.Has no one heard of sex positive feminism? Time to whip google out guys lol

[nycguy]

Yall gonna learn about these topics when remy's around lol...smh

[raheme]

Not as contradictory as one would think.Has no one heard of sex positive feminism? Time to whip google out guys lol

You can stuff cream inside a log of shit but that don't make it a twinkie

Sex positive feminism makes about as much since as a pro slavery abolitionist :/

[tsamberskyi]

You can stuff cream inside a log of shit but that don't make it a twinkie

Sex positive feminism makes about as much since as a pro slavery abolitionist :/

what doesnt make sense about woman owning their sexuality and bodies with out legal or social scrutiny.as it applies in this case on can be in the sex industry without being a victim (model,stripper,escort) or predator (porn producers). its about reclaiming power and responsibility.
society (which we all know is patriarchal) tells us that its bad to sell flesh. the same way society tells us that a woman who has had many sexual partners is a slut (outside the norm) but for a man its the status-quo.why? because sexually liberated and independent woman are hard to control.that only men have to right to do as they sexually please.
i understand that for you as a man that is a very radical and threatening thought

[raheme]

what doesnt make sense about woman owning their sexuality and bodies with out legal or social scrutiny.as it applies in this case on can be in the sex industry without being a victim (model,stripper,escort) or predator (porn producers). its about reclaiming power and responsibility.
society (which we all know is patriarchal) tells us that its bad to sell flesh. the same way society tells us that a woman who has had many sexual partners is a slut (outside the norm) but for a man its the status-quo.why? because sexually liberated and independent woman are hard to control.that only men have to right to do as they sexually please.
i understand that for you as a man that is a very radical and threatening thought


That's one hell of a stretch in logic mr fantastic...

If you (not personally) want to be a jump off/freak and fuck 80 guys in one year by all means do it...its your walls & balls not mine. But please don't confuse that with one being sexually liberated...and please don't try to pass that off as some new form of feminism.

The basic underlying principle of what you've modeled for and escorted for is to provide pleasure for men who seek to pay you for your services...the same is true for Remy. She's paid to provide a service...a service which most "feminist" would not agree with.

[tsamberskyi]

That's one hell of a stretch in logic mr fantastic...

If you (not personally) want to be a jump off/freak and fuck 80 guys in one year by all means do it...its your walls & balls not mine. But please don't confuse that with one being sexually liberated...and please don't try to pass that off as some new form of feminism.

The basic underlying principle of what you've modeled for and escorted for is to provide pleasure for men who seek to pay you for your services...the same is true for Remy. She's paid to provide a service...a service which most "feminist" would not agree with.

That is the exact definition of sexual liberation, being able to do what one wants to do sexually without legal or social scrutiny (much like the judgment your passing now).
Any way I'm not here to educate.if you ever feel like expanding your horizons for the sake of academia look up the "feminist sex wars"and the sex positive movement.
You don't agree with the concept cool...just don't be surprised when you run across someone in the industry (like Remy) who has a code of ethics

[raheme]

That is the exact definition of sexual liberation, being able to do what one wants to do sexually without legal or social scrutiny (much like the judgment your passing now).
Any way I'm not here to educate.if you ever feel like expanding your horizons for the sake of academia look up the "feminist sex wars"and the sex positive movement.
You don't agree with the concept cool...just don't be surprised when you run across someone in the industry (like Remy) who has a code of ethics

I've never seen a "war" where all parties agree...

[SHAUN]

Of course you're all making sound points, so I'm not looking to contradict anyone...

But I will say, as per the original point, that I retain the "right" to be thrown off my orbit (TEMPORARILY) in the circumstances of someone "flipping" genders....

(I wouldn't go as far as to say it would "gross me out", but I know what they mean)

To flip genders one hundred times or more in a year is a "right" of whom so ever chooses to do so....

And to be a little confused, dazed, thrown, or even grossed out etc, is a "right" of whom so ever observes this and cannot quite deal with the information in a 100% perfect textbook fashion.

Like I said, it wouldn't "gross me out", but it would certainly throw me out of orbit for a moment or two...

And that is MY right, as per Mother Nature ;)

blue eyed devil

[Indy24]

I just focus on the ones who choose to stay female.

[thepiedpiper]

interesting topic.. I personally would have no issue with a transgendered woman deciding to de-transition and would be supportive of that person as a friend.

As far as being romantically involved I would find that difficult. This is not about me not being comfortable a with myself but rather about what I find sexually attractive or appealing. Among other things I am attracted to femininity and traits exhibited as feminine. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with gender identity as for the most part they are two separate constructs however I am only sexually attracted to a feminine appearance. For some one to de-transition there would also be underlying psychological changes in my opinion. I'd feel in this situation it would generally be human nature for that person to now exhibit what might be considered on a social level highly masculine traits - a beard, deep voice macho temperament etc which, is not attractive to me. I'm sure this is not always the case but it would be interesting to see if people who do de-transition then over compensate once back to their biological gender.

I bet in a lot of cases you would find that MTF transgendered people acted more masculine than before they transitioned and vice versa with FTM.

In comment to Amber I found your discussion about sex-positive feminism interesting. I would like to comment that in the case of female sex workers (Raheme's point) that sexual liberation is not going to be a primary reason for being a sex worker in my opinion but rather a secondary reason. I'd find it hard to believe that some women partake in escort work to simply make a point. I'm not disputing that it would be sexually liberating but I don't buy that it would be the primary cause.

[tsamberskyi]

It's sexually liberating because it's her choice to barter her body and sexuality in exchange for goods.she shouldn't be penalized legally or socially.often times society devalues woman who enter the sex trade and treat them like second class citizens.i mean look at the comments directed to me on this forum.people would like me to believe that because I'm an escort I'm not intelligent, don't have a voice and am of less value than woman who don't escort.
I'm merely trying to make the point that one can be in the adult industry in whatever form and still be a decent person worthy of respect.

[thegreat1]

That's one hell of a stretch in logic mr fantastic...

If you (not personally) want to be a jump off/freak and fuck 80 guys in one year by all means do it...its your walls & balls not mine. But please don't confuse that with one being sexually liberated...and please don't try to pass that off as some new form of feminism.

The basic underlying principle of what you've modeled for and escorted for is to provide pleasure for men who seek to pay you for your services...the same is true for Remy. She's paid to provide a service...a service which most "feminist" would not agree with.

My man, you're wasting your time. A criminal can always justify their crimes, a liar always seems to be able to justify their lies and a preacher always has a way of justifying their religion. Get the analogy?

[blk_jnd]

I'm merely trying to make the point that one can be in the adult industry in whatever form and still be a decent person worthy of respect.

Not many here would argue with that.

[thepiedpiper]

It's sexually liberating because it's her choice to barter her body and sexuality in exchange for goods.she shouldn't be penalized legally or socially.often times society devalues woman who enter the sex trade and treat them like second class citizens.i mean look at the comments directed to me on this forum.people would like me to believe that because I'm an escort I'm not intelligent, don't have a voice and am of less value than woman who don't escort.
I'm merely trying to make the point that one can be in the adult industry in whatever form and still be a decent person worthy of respect.

I don't disagree with you Amber. I can see why it is sexually liberating and the reason behind your arguments. what I was trying to say is that women who become sex workers wouldn't do this just to make a point about feminism. If ones primary reason for escorting is to strive for sexual equality then being a an escort is a rather extreme way to make that point.

[Ms Remy M]

Wow, that's a gigantic leap Remy. It would gross me out too so I don't know what to make of that statement. Say, you got something against red-blooded, skirt-chasing dudes lately?

What gigantic leap, I quoted what he himself said. He is the person that finds another human being situation as "gross" for trying to be who they want to be. It is common for people to hide and show disdain for what people can't understand about themselves or others. I have nothing against skirt chasing dudes, I have something against ignorance no matter which gender it manifests itself.

You don't want to be with a man that's fair enough. I'd wager that your primary interest was physical and not emotional which would explain how easily one can dismiss her de-transitioning as "gross". It says a lot that you cared not a wit to mention the situations she may have been going through to bring about such a change in lifestyle, it was all just "weird" and "gross" right? I find this person you refer to, to be a much braver person than the many DL men who can't handle reality so hide behind the facade and anonymity of the internet and travel to places no one knows you to partake with trans women. I imagine most of your family, friends, and customers that come to your business would find you "gross" should they find out about your sexual proclivities, and you would be hurt by such reaction.

It is really easy to see why you can't grasp the possibility of sex positive feminism, time to broaden your horizons by reading a bit. Just because a woman chooses to produce porn doesn't mean she can't be a feminist or that it devalues the movement. Sex positive feminism is in part about women taking control of their sexual desires and activities instead of having them dictated to them by men. Anyone who has been on my set would attest to the fact that I aim to show these women as they want to be seen, never forcing them to try and please anyone but themselves and to display themselves in a way that they personally find appealing.

[blk_jnd]

What gigantic leap, I quoted what he himself said. He is the person that finds another human being situation as "gross" for trying to be who they want to be. It is common for people to hide and show disdain for what people can't understand about themselves or others. I have nothing against skirt chasing dudes, I have something against ignorance no matter which gender it manifests itself.

You don't want to be with a man that's fair enough. I'd wager that your primary interest was physical and not emotional which would explain how easily one can dismiss her de-transitioning as "gross". It says a lot that you cared not a wit to mention the situations she may have been going through to bring about such a change in lifestyle, it was all just "weird" and "gross" right? I find this person you refer to, to be a much braver person than the many DL men who can't handle reality so hide behind the facade and anonymity of the internet and travel to places no one knows you to partake with trans women. I imagine most of your family, friends, and customers that come to your business would find you "gross" should they find out about your sexual proclivities, and you would be hurt by such reaction.

It is really easy to see why you can't grasp the possibility of sex positive feminism, time to broaden your horizons by reading a bit. Just because a woman chooses to produce porn doesn't mean she can't be a feminist or that it devalues the movement. Sex positive feminism is in part about women taking control of their sexual desires and activities instead of having them dictated to them by men. Anyone who has been on my set would attest to the fact that I aim to show these women as they want to be seen, never forcing them to try and please anyone but themselves and to display themselves in a way that they personally find appealing.

I take your first point but, sorry, the product consumed on this and many other porn sites is "physical". People subscribe to this and many other porn sites because they are attracted to the way the women are presented - big ol booties, tits, fine face etc.

Despite what you say, you are complicit in packaging the product to appeal to this market. If a girl's idea of a session is to show up and present herself sitting there reading a book, you won't go for it. Perhaps your USP is you don't tell her to "wiggle dat booty" or "spread dat hole". No, your moires are more subtle but the end result is the same. You and the girl have an understanding of what the market want, try as you might wanna hide it behind some positivism stuff.

It's all good though, no one's fronting on that score as long as we understand it's all on the physical on this side. As in, if I see a person I've jerked of one in full male mode, I'll be grossed out. If I see Belladonna with a full-on moustache, hairy pits and a beer paunch, I'd be grossed out too. It is a reaction to my sexual pendulum being scrambled at that point it doesn't mean I'm hating on the person or dissing their lifestyle like you immediately assumed.

You don't gotta turn around and get all psychoanalytical on your market as you're doing lately. You end up making all those gigantic leaps.

[tsamberskyi]

it goes just beyond allowing a girl to present herself the way she wants to be presented.
this industry is a male dominated and often a often chauvinistic one.i cant tell you how many times remy and i hear really awful stories about the girls being taking advantage of.everything from fake ass "producers" promising to build girls websites (and never following thru) while their true intentions are getting to take some free explicit pics of a hot girl to out right violence against the models.
Remy is all about giving the girls a safe avenue to express them selves sexually and make some money without being disrespected or victimized.that is what feminism is about after all, respect and equal treatment for woman in ALL arenas of life.

[methodman]

I can see how some people could feel that way, mostly because they focus on the physical aspects of their being, and not the core of who they are. I've been there once before with someone I was talking to, and had no problem with their decision. I've also known friends that decided to de-transition. It's a very hard and personal decision and me as the person I am could never turn my back on someone on account of that.

Agreed. As older guy I've seen she go back to he several times. When I was younger and more obsessed with the myth of physical appearance it was off-putting but now I understand.

[Ms Remy M]

Just filmed two more young trans women. Both in early 20's, one from Philly and another from DC. Both currently in college, don't do any sex work at all, and are on various popular 'straight' social networks. Don't see why you guys have such a hard time, that's 8 pretty young non sex worker trans women I've met since 2013 started. ;)

[werwt22]

wow this thread is all over the place LOL. Very valid points from several of you.

[raheme]

Just filmed two more young trans women. Both in early 20's, one from Philly and another from DC. Both currently in college, don't do any sex work at all, and are on various popular 'straight' social networks. Don't see why you guys have such a hard time, that's 8 pretty young non sex worker trans women I've met since 2013 started. ;)

Uh I'm gonna call bs on this.

Maybe I'm jaded but in order for u to meet them they gotta have a get money attitude.

[tsamberskyi]

Just because a girl may do a photo shoot from time to time for the excitement or extra money doesn't change the fact that they are
A.not escorts
B.in college

[Ms Remy M]

Uh I'm gonna call bs on this.

Maybe I'm jaded but in order for u to meet them they gotta have a get money attitude.

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.

[raheme]

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.

We can agree to disagree. ..no prob

[thegreat1]

haha So now I'm a liar. Sure, there is a financial incentive, but they don't want to be porn stars or sex workers the money is a plus. They simply wanted to let their exhibitionist side loose. You've already stated that you do not believe in the concept of sex positive feminism, so this will be hard for you to comprehend. Sometimes women just want to express themselves sexually because they simply can, it's 2013 not 1910 and women have a myriad ways of expressing themselves. They express their intellect through higher education advancing their potential career advancements, and sexually by attending sex themed expos, web cam (not the pay ones), and sometimes even porn productions.


So you're saying that just because 'sex work' (e.g. Porn, video/webcam shows, escorting) isnt their PRIMARY or sole source of income, that means they arent sex workers? Or did mis-understand?

[Ms Remy M]

So you're saying that just because 'sex work' (e.g. Porn, video/webcam shows, escorting) isnt their PRIMARY or sole source of income, that means they arent sex workers? Or did mis-understand?

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

[tsamberskyi]

Oh shit...shots fired lol

[thegreat1]

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

You DID notice the punctuation marks, did you not? And i CLEARLY said that i could have misunderstood your post, didnt i?

As for the insults, you dont know me nor my background. Please dont think for a minute that you have me pegged or figured out. You dont. What i AM would shock the shit out of you.

And i believe, even though we may have disagreed on some topics, that i have always been respectful towards you, as well as, spoken very highly of you to many people. So please, let's NOT go down that corridor.

[thegreat1]

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

And by the way, i never said transwomen SHOULD be sex workers. I know a couple girls that have considered doing it and knowing their personalities and future goals, have strongly tried to convince them to do something else. Even if it meant taking longer to reach their transitional goals.

HOWEVER, my motto has always been, 'if you're gonna go, go hard'. So if you're gonna do 'sex work', then go all out, get in, get what you want out of it, then get out. I dont knock anybody for what they do. As long as it doesnt affect MY money, MY health or MY family, who the fuck am i to tell someone what to do with their life?

[Ms Remy M]

You DID notice the punctuation marks, did you not? And i CLEARLY said that i could have misunderstood your post, didnt i?

As for the insults, you dont know me nor my background. Please dont think for a minute that you have me pegged or figured out. You dont. What i AM would shock the shit out of you.

And i believe, even though we may have disagreed on some topics, that i have always been respectful towards you, as well as, spoken very highly of you to many people. So please, let's NOT go down that corridor.

What is there to misunderstand, when all that is required is rereading what is posted? Are you going to sit here and say that because a trans woman is going to college and decided to let her freaky side fly doing a single porn shoot she is a sex worker, because she will get on a web cam and give a free show cause she is freaky she is a sex worker? Well then, you have a sex tape out there on the net so you should be considered a sex worker with that silly logic. Every person that ever posted a home sex tape online is a sex worker too? Do you consider Paris Hilton a sex worker, there is a single vid out on the net of her having sex, and pics of her nude (body parts) lol


And by the way, i never said transwomen SHOULD be sex workers. I know a couple girls that have considered doing it and knowing their personalities and future goals, have strongly tried to convince them to do something else. Even if it meant taking longer to reach their transitional goals.

If you can reread I said "You guys" not you specifically 'thegreat1' the statement was a generalization of what's been said on this thread and a couple other threads on here, based on the state of how some view trans women. One person has continuously alluded to the disbelief that trans women can be nothing but sex workers. Despite the fact that he is conversing with me, a non sex worker trans woman lol

[thegreat1]

What is there to misunderstand, when all that is required is rereading what is posted? Are you going to sit here and say that because a trans woman is going to college and decided to let her freaky side fly doing a single porn shoot she is a sex worker, because she will get on a web cam and give a free show cause she is freaky she is a sex worker? Well then, you have a sex tape out there on the net so you should be considered a sex worker with that silly logic. Every person that ever posted a home sex tape online is a sex worker too? Do you consider Paris Hilton a sex worker, there is a single vid out on the net of her having sex, and pics of her nude (body parts) lol

Per wordiq.com:

A sex worker is anyone who earns their living by providing sexual services. Some use this term to mean only prostitution, although the term is also used by others to refer to other workers in the sex industry such as erotic actors and NUDE MODELS for pornography, striptease dancers and performers in peep shows...

Per sexuality.about.com:

Sex work is an umbrella term used to describe any kind of work that involves sexual services FOR FINANCIAL GAIN

Therefore, yes, they ARE sex workers. And again i repeat, im not judging them BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Oh and by this definition, im NOT a sex worker. Did paris hilton directly gain from her sex tape sales? If so, she is or WAS. If that couple is just posting their vids on a free site, no. If they're receiving 'donations' to view it, then yes.

Dont blame me, i didnt make up the definition, im just going according to it. Now im sure you'll disagree with the definition, which is your right. But again, it is what it is

Ps. I did the 'educated, non-hood' thing and backed my argument up with facts and statements derived from AND supported by those facts. You know, reached back to my debate club days which i participated in when i wasnt running the streets of 'my hood' lol

[Ms Remy M]

Per wordiq.com:

A sex worker is anyone who earns their living by providing sexual services. Some use this term to mean only prostitution, although the term is also used by others to refer to other workers in the sex industry such as erotic actors and NUDE MODELS for pornography, striptease dancers and performers in peep shows...

Per sexuality.about.com:

Sex work is an umbrella term used to describe any kind of work that involves sexual services FOR FINANCIAL GAIN

Therefore, yes, they ARE sex workers. And again i repeat, im not judging them BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Oh and by this definition, im NOT a sex worker. Did paris hilton directly gain from her sex tape sales? If so, she is or WAS. If that couple is just posting their vids on a free site, no. If they're receiving 'donations' to view it, then yes.

Dont blame me, i didnt make up the definition, im just going according to it. Now im sure you'll disagree with the definition, which is your right. But again, it is what it is

Ps. I did the 'educated, non-hood' thing and backed my argument up with facts and statements derived from AND supported by those facts. You know, reached back to my debate club days which i participated in when i wasnt running the streets of 'my hood' lol

Yes, Paris did make money from it. And if going by those definitions then they are no long sex workers as they were only sex workers for the duration of the production for grooby. Being that they aren't actively working as sex workers, it is now two days since the production and past tense.

[Ms Remy M]

I really don't like to call out the regular 9-5 trans women because the last thing they need is DL men hitting them up, but Janet Mock is a very public figure that is also not a sex worker, for those disbelieving types. You can find her all over the internet, doing massive amounts of positive things in the public light.

[thegreat1]

Yes, Paris did make money from it. And if going by those definitions then they are no long sex workers as they were only sex workers for the duration of the production for grooby. Being that they aren't actively working as sex workers, it is now two days since the production and past tense.

Lol. Ok remy. Im done with it. You win.

[raheme]

You clearly misunderstood. They are college students, not sex workers at all. This was their first time doing a porn shoot ever. I specifically said they did not do sex work, and the web cam stuff they did was playing on stuff like oovoo not charging for the service like ImLive or other sex work web cam services, no escorting either.

With your guys' belief system that trans women should be doing porn when showing themselves online and that trans women are only sex workers, it really is no wonder why so many of the girls don't want to deal with black men, I wouldn't want to deal with ignorance either. Thankfully, there are some well educated, not from the hood black, white, asian, and latin people out there.

I could give a shit about what a hoe thinks about me

Hood...check

Bachelors...check

Masters...check

Own biz...check

Comfy life...chizeckkkkkk

They can suck pink penis till their tongues turn blue

[tsamberskyi]

I wonder if its allot of work being a....*sigh* forget it

[raheme]

I wonder if its allot of work being a....*sigh* forget it

Go figure...someone makes a blanket, disparaging remark re: black men and there's silence...someone makes a blanket, disparaging remark re: a hoes opinions and its man down...lmao...don't cast stones if you live in a glass bubble

[tsamberskyi]

I've been thinking the same thing ever since you popped back on this shit

[thegreat1]

Go figure...someone makes a blanket, disparaging remark re: black men and there's silence...someone makes a blanket, disparaging remark re: a hoes opinions and its man down...lmao...don't cast stones if you live in a glass bubble

You know how that goes pimp. A female pops off at a dude, its just her being a woman. A dude pops off at a female, he's dead wrong.

[Ms Remy M]

I could give a shit about what a hoe thinks about me

Hood...check

Bachelors...check

Masters...check

Own biz...check

Comfy life...chizeckkkkkk

They can suck pink penis till their tongues turn blue

The fact that you think all transsexuals are sex workers because that's all you met, is like saying you don't believe in black holes because you've never seen one with your own two eyes. That's just plain ignorant

[raheme]

The fact that you think all transsexuals are sex workers because that's all you met, is like saying you don't believe in black holes because you've never seen one with your own two eyes. That's just plain ignorant

Its not ignorant, its life. We are shaped by our experiences. Right, wrong, or indifferent.

[tsamberskyi]

So just because I've only been robbed by black men does that men i should assume all black men are criminals...that wouldn't be ignorant right lol

[kanguru]

Yes, I'd be turned off if a shemale I dated transitioned back into a male. If I liked dudes, I'd jack off to them. I like shemales, and I don't mind the dick, but the feminine parts keep me interested. I'm not going to shit on their personal choice, so they shouldn't shit on mine.

[nextlevel75]

Yea, but you wouldn't do it unless money was involved so I think that kind of taints your point a little bit