Jazze Pha Caught with TS Shyla Stacks

[tyrone70]

Famous Hip hop producer outed by MTO. Why Homegirl outed him I don't know. I don't think she'd know he'd be recognized. but anyway you slice it. I'm sure he catching hell now from his boys.

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/66417/mto-shock-photo-top-hip-hop-producer-is-caught-on-camera-snuggling-with-a-transgender-female.html

[SHAUN]

Hell I'd fight someone to snuggle with her, she's cute as a button!

I don't know what kind of a "man" bothers about caring what other "men" think or say about them in respect of this.... Not much of a man, in my opinion.

I hope he just laughs, keeps snuggling with her (or whoever else he want to snuggle with) and tells the jokers/haters to go fuk emselves ;)

blue eyed devil

[james7]

http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/c678afca3fa911e3b9ab22000ae91034_6.jpg

SHIIIIIIIIT ILL FUCK TOO..NO BIG DEAL:D

[tyrone70]

http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/c678afca3fa911e3b9ab22000ae91034_6.jpg

SHIIIIIIIIT ILL FUCK TOO..NO BIG DEAL:D

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If you a celeb you CANNOT I repeat YOU CANNOT be caught w/a TS. No Bueno. Bro. everybody will turn on you

[chubbychaser]

Brotha dun fucked up......Why would sleep around these ts if you a celeb.THEY LOOKING FOR THAT SPOT LIGHT,it only a matter of time before they OUT YOU. But i told yall man, trannies are the new drug, once you get one IT'S HARD TO LET EM GO.

[Ms Remy M]

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If you a celeb you CANNOT I repeat YOU CANNOT be caught w/a TS. No Bueno. Bro. everybody will turn on you

they aren't going to stop doing business with him. why let someone else personal life fuck up their potential for financial success.

[SHAUN]

This kind of "situation" just needs the first celeb man (be he an athlete, a musician/dj, an actor etc) to just shrug and say: "...so what?"

And the first guy to react like that, without giving a shit, will

a) become a legend overnight

and

b) cause a seismic positive change in "society's" attitudes.

Who will be the first to grab such an awesome oppurtunity?

Is there not ONE who is "man" enough?

blue eyed devil

[james7]

b) cause a seismic positive change in "society's" attitudes.

Who will be the first to grab such an awesome oppurtunity?

Is there not ONE who is "man" enough?

blue eyed devil
I think this will happen everybody knows how fine the ts women are also dmx were caught trying to holla at her.. its becoming comical because we all know there freaking hot its just people are scared to admit it but society is about to rapidly change in the next 5 years... shes hot who cares

[werwt22]

fact is it's just not "sociably" acceptable in a world where you always have to be politically correct. Anything that might be looked upon negatively, gets the plug pulled, and being involved in that community in that form (sexually), is opening a can of worms that no one wants to touch. It would take someone of Madonna, Michael jackson, or Lady Gaga's caliber to influence change, not some run-of-the-mill chubby producer.

[werwt22]

they aren't going to stop doing business with him. why let someone else personal life fuck up their potential for financial success.

well he's a producer so his work is behind the scenes anyway. but dont forget how ol' girl killed chingys career even after she admitted it was a lie. damage was done. too many of these chicks trying to be grimey for a comeup and sad part is it works. Everyone everywhere knows who Sydney Starr is. These chicks keep playing around with these guys that have money and they gonna end up floating in the river somewhere. He wouldnt be the first politician or celebrity that threatened to kill a woman or actually did over "allegations/exposure."

[tsamberskyi]

a. people are assuming thats shes the one who outed him.no where did it say who exactly sent in the pic. it could of been possibly taken from his phone.
b i cant stand dudes who think its okay to fuck with ts woman as long as no one knows. i think you kind of guys are cowards and i have very little respect for yall

thumbs up to the guys in this thread who expressed they wouldnt care.thats a sexy ass quality ;) xoxoxo

[tyrone70]

a. people are assuming thats shes the one who outed him.no where did it say who exactly sent in the pic. it could of been possibly taken from his phone.
b i cant stand dudes who think its okay to fuck with ts woman as long as no one knows. i think you kind of guys are cowards and i have very little respect for yall

thumbs up to the guys in this thread who expressed they wouldnt care.thats a sexy ass quality ;) xoxoxo

I know WORLD FAMOUS T-GIRLS those who Escort and those who are "retired" and the census I'm told is "They wish the girls would STFU bcuz they be messing it up for other tgirls in the game" I'm told they should shut up and keep getting paid that hush money. but it messes it up for all tgirls getting paid by celebs bcuz they think they bout to snitch too so they don't f with them

[tsamberskyi]

I know WORLD FAMOUS T-GIRLS those who Escort and those who are "retired" and the census I'm told is "They wish the girls would STFU bcuz they be messing it up for other tgirls in the game" I'm told they should shut up and keep getting paid that hush money. but it messes it up for all tgirls getting paid by celebs bcuz they think they bout to snitch too so they don't f with them

I'm talking about the down low mentality that some men have not an escorts work ethics

[werwt22]

a. people are assuming thats shes the one who outed him.no where did it say who exactly sent in the pic. it could of been possibly taken from his phone.
b i cant stand dudes who think its okay to fuck with ts woman as long as no one knows. i think you kind of guys are cowards and i have very little respect for yall

thumbs up to the guys in this thread who expressed they wouldnt care.thats a sexy ass quality ;) xoxoxo

It really isnt...why?...because theyre no different than the e-thugs on the internet. Everyone talks big shit til it comes to "real life." Doesnt mean everyone isnt genuine, but 99% of the guys here and everywhere else cant wait for a chick to post so they can ride theyre dick. I play devil's advocate because I like the stimulation it brings to my mind, but I dont want that to be confused with my own personal preference either.

[werwt22]

I'm talking about the down low mentality that some men have not an escorts work ethics

that will never go away, just like the people that snitch on you at work and deny it if confronted. Reality is "YOU" cant expect everyone to be as strong as "YOU", and carry that same mentality of not giving a fuck about who knows. Some people just arent built that way...key is to build theyre confidence and lead, not push them further into the dark.

[tsamberskyi]

that will never go away, just like theat allat all people that snitch on you at work and deny it if confronted. Reality is "YOU" cant expect everyone may never willto as strong as "YOU", andwho carry that same mentality of not giving a fuck about who knows. Some people just arent built that way...key is to build theyre confidence and lead, not push them further into the dark.

Im not commenting on or condoning the alleged actions of Miss Shayla.
Im also not going to be understanding of men who want to be intimate with me but don't want other people to know.I don't think it's healthy for the guys who have that mentality or the girls who put up with it.
If your not strong enough than maybe one shouldn't indulge at all

[TurboMan]

So what??..that's his business.

[werwt22]

Im not commenting on or condoning the alleged actions of Miss Shayla.
Im also not going to be understanding of men who want to be intimate with me but don't want other people to know.I don't think it's healthy for the guys who have that mentality or the girls who put up with it.
If your not strong enough than maybe one shouldn't indulge at all

truth is when i first found a real ts, (treasure hunting right LOL) it felt like I found the the door to Narnia. I didnt know anything about this world i stepped into. I had to explore, teach myself a lot, and be educated by many. And im proud of the leaps and bounds I've crossed from who I used to be. You have to allow others time to become who they really are...not everyone is as accepting of the truth...some will choose to stay in denial. And reality is, Transgenders arent your typical subject anywhere...majority of the world is uneducated and unwilling to learn. Im sure that will change within the next couple generations, especially with TS and plastic surgery becoming mainstream now, but my point is let the lurkers lurk. When theyre comfortable, they'll come out or they just might stay in the dark, but in the end it's they're decision. Only other decision to make is whether you choose to deal with it.

[tyrone70]

truth is when i first found a real ts, (treasure hunting right LOL) it felt like I found the the door to Narnia. I didnt know anything about this world i stepped into. I had to explore, teach myself a lot, and be educated by many. And im proud of the leaps and bounds I've crossed from who I used to be. You have to allow others time to become who they really are...not everyone is as accepting of the truth...some will choose to stay in denial. And reality is, Transgenders arent your typical subject anywhere...majority of the world is uneducated and unwilling to learn. Im sure that will change within the next couple generations, especially with TS and plastic surgery becoming mainstream now, but my point is let the lurkers lurk. When theyre comfortable, they'll come out or they just might stay in the dark, but in the end it's they're decision. Only other decision to make is whether you choose to deal with it.

The niggaz I hang around will NEVER be accepting if I ever came out and kept it 100. So I'm like F it might as well take it the DL route

[Boshie]

Damn she looks good I would hit too.

[Juan]

I don't listen to Hip Hop so I am not verse on how transsexuals are looked upon on that scene. However, I am most curious how the Hip Hop community class guys who date Gays versus Transsexuals. Is it a double standard or about the same?

[werwt22]

I don't listen to Hip Hop so I am not verse on how transsexuals are looked upon on that scene. However, I am most curious how the Hip Hop community class guys who date Gays versus Transsexuals. Is it a double standard or about the same?

they look at the situation as the same. They consider TS just "men in wigs" not matter how bad you are.

[werwt22]

The niggaz I hang around will NEVER be accepting if I ever came out and kept it 100. So I'm like F it might as well take it the DL route

Just cuz somebody is a friend doesnt mean they have to know every single move I make. Older I get I realize all teh friends I used to have, just not as trustworthy as I thought. Make sure if you did speak on it to only tell the closest of your friends. I started by telling my 2 closest and they didnt give a damn. I eased my way in, after gettin a little more comfortable, and showed 3 of my boys separately that video of pocahontas from WSHH just to see what they'd say, and they didnt even really know what to say. I told em if i saw I might hit if I didnt know LOL. (Lie but just Gauging their reaction) . Come to find out one of my boys hit me up the next day talking bout he went back to watch 3 times and the other one peeped a few different ones. Dont know your situation, but handle it how you feel bruh...you the one living your life.

[Ms Remy M]

well he's a producer so his work is behind the scenes anyway. but dont forget how ol' girl killed chingys career even after she admitted it was a lie. damage was done. too many of these chicks trying to be grimey for a comeup and sad part is it works. Everyone everywhere knows who Sydney Starr is. These chicks keep playing around with these guys that have money and they gonna end up floating in the river somewhere. He wouldnt be the first politician or celebrity that threatened to kill a woman or actually did over "allegations/exposure."

lol Chingy killed his own career. You have no idea how much drama an artist brings on themselves (even crap from before famous) in their life that prevents them from being a proper business professional, not to mention lack of training/education in that regard. They spend more time focused on bling and living up to an image than handling business. Actually, with shows like Love & Hip Hop everyone can now see multiple artist fucking up their own careers because they aren't focused on their business.

Regarding the politicians and celebrity comment, you are right, there has been a long historical issue of people in positions of perceived power being outed for their sexual dalliances so instead of running around trying to hook up with every girl that catches their eye, they should be in a faithful loving relationship and thus not risk exposing their own sexual proclivities.

[Ms Remy M]

The niggaz I hang around will NEVER be accepting if I ever came out and kept it 100. So I'm like F it might as well take it the DL route

Or fuck it and find some real friends. Niggas by definition are ignorant people, step your game up and socialize with people with an open mind that accept you for who you are and not who they want you to be. :cool:

[chubbychaser]

People kill me with this unrealistic way of thinking. Everybody don't agree with a homosexual or bisexual type of lifestyle. Now i don't consider myself gay BUT I DO engage in what would be considered as GAY SEX with transsexuals. Now why would i throw away the bond i have with people THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS even family because im greedy when it comes to sex and like ladies with dick??Hell no, Just keep that shit to yourself, that's why im PRO DOWNLO to the fullestttt, unless your married that is.Nobody has to know what you like sexually.Now alot of you might say "we're not real men" because of this. but we're just trying to avoid conflict THAT'S WHAT MEN DO. A brotha just want some snacks here and there a lil sexual desires filled.... NAH MEANNNNN????WHY attack us because of this. I mean it's easy for transexuals to just tell a brotha to throw aways BONDS he had with people because like i said before, alot of transexuals started out as gay guys and has been ridiculed their whole life even as a woman SO THEY USED TO THE CONFLICT and bullshit. So they want you to suffer the same fate they did. HELL NAWWWWW I wanna still kick it with the same homies i knew for years the same family members and fucks some trannies on the side without anybody knowing cause thats what i like . IM JUST KEEPIN IT REALLL

[Juan]

they look at the situation as the same. They consider TS just "men in wigs" not matter how bad you are.


So if someone in the “hip-hop community” were caught flirting with someone who was gay, he would face the same scrutiny as if he flirted with a transsexual?

For I have witnessed many who would class themselves as hip-hop enthusiasts slyly flirt with other guys through a means of body language, in public assuming the person is gay. I can’t recall seeing it as a big deal in the eyes of others as a hip-hop person flirting with a transsexual in public.

[tsamberskyi]

People kill me with this unrealistic way of thinking. Everybody don't agree with a homosexual or bisexual type of lifestyle. Now i don't consider myself gay BUT I DO engage in what would be considered as GAY SEX with transsexuals. Now why would i throw away the bond i have with people THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS even family because im greedy when it comes to sex and like ladies with dick??Hell no, Just keep that shit to yourself, that's why im PRO DOWNLO to the fullestttt, unless your married that is.Nobody has to know what you like sexually.Now alot of you might say "we're not real men" because of this. but we're just trying to avoid conflict THAT'S WHAT MEN DO. A brotha just want some snacks here and there a lil sexual desires filled.... NAH MEANNNNN????WHY attack us because of this. I mean it's easy for transexuals to just tell a brotha to throw aways BONDS he had with people because like i said before, alot of transexuals started out as gay guys and has been ridiculed their whole life even as a woman SO THEY USED TO THE CONFLICT and bullshit. So they want you to suffer the same fate they did. HELL NAWWWWW I wanna still kick it with the same homies i knew for years the same family members and fucks some trannies on the side without anybody knowing cause thats what i like . IM JUST KEEPIN IT REALLL

You do realize that your basically telling another human being that they're good enough to be fucked by you but not good enough to be associated with.that's hurtful, cowardly, selfish and ignorant as fuck.
Im pro not having anything to do with you down low messes unless your paying me and when im done with school not even dealing with yall on that level.
Im just keeping it real too

[chubbychaser]

You do realize that your basically telling another human being that they're good enough to be fucked by you but not good enough to be associated with.that's hurtful, cowardly, selfish and ignorant as fuck.
Im pro not having anything to do with you down low messes unless your paying me and when im done with school not even dealing with yall on that level.
Im just keeping it real too

I mean we just talking sex and fantasies here, NOT A RELATIONSHIP!! But even if it was a relationship i'd say it should take some time before you actually come out and tell the people whom you have to live with for the rest of your life "ie family" that you with a tranny. THEN AGAIN IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE UP FOR DISCUSSION ,it's nobody business. Brothas should know what their dealing with first because we should not have to throw THE bonds we have with people away just for someone who might just be a hustling ass transsexual "NOT SAYING ALL ARE HUSTLERS" but you know what i mean. It's good to be selfish sista!!Goddamnit i wish i was more selfish in the past I MIGHT BE AT THE TOP RIGHT NOW. Yall have to be more understanding about things,it aint that we're trying to be hurtful , we just want the best for ourselves and you. Cause what about me being hurt, me losing my family and friend will hurt me DOES THAT MATTER?? LOL shiddd!! Downlow brothas have it hardddddddd, nobody understands our pain at all, like this is easy NO WE HUMAN BEINGS TOO. And we talking CAREERS HERE, years of hard work going down the drain cause of stuff like this, we have to be careful. Downlow brothas are tired of being called weak selfish and cowards WE ARE REAL MEN DEALING WITH ODD SITUATIONS trying to make the best out of it.I know alot of yall will say "A REAL MAN WOULD BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT" nooo A real man will look at what he will gain and lose because of this and take the best route of dealing with these type of situations WE AINT RUNNING FROM NUFFINNNN, we just playin it safe baby. Downlow brothas STAND UP AND DEFEND YOURSELVES, we gotta stop letting these people attack us.

[tsamberskyi]

I mean we just talking sex and fantasies here, NOT A RELATIONSHIP!! But even if it was a relationship i'd say it should take some time before you actually come out and tell the people whom you have to live with for the rest of your life "ie family" that you with a tranny. THEN AGAIN IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE UP FOR DISCUSSION ,it's nobody business. Brothas should know what their dealing with first because we should not have to throw THE bonds we have with people away just for someone who might just be a hustling ass transsexual "NOT SAYING ALL ARE HUSTLERS" but you know what i mean. It's good to be selfish sista!!Goddamnit i wish i was more selfish in the past I MIGHT BE AT THE TOP RIGHT NOW. Yall have to be more understanding about things,it aint that we're trying to be hurtful , we just want the best for ourselves and you. Cause what about me being hurt, me losing my family and friend will hurt me DOES THAT MATTER?? LOL shiddd!! Downlow brothas have it hardddddddd, nobody understands our pain at all, like this is easy NO WE HUMAN BEINGS TOO. And we talking CAREERS HERE, years of hard work going down the drain cause of stuff like this, we have to be careful. Downlow brothas are tired of being called weak selfish and cowards WE ARE REAL MEN DEALING WITH ODD SITUATIONS trying to make the best out of it.I know alot of yall will say "A REAL MAN WOULD BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT" nooo A real man will look at what he will gain and lose because of this and take the best route of dealing with these type of situations WE AINT RUNNING FROM NUFFINNNN, we just playin it safe baby. Downlow brothas STAND UP AND DEFEND YOURSELVES, we gotta stop letting these people attack us.

this is pure foolishness lmaoooo
first of all being with a TS WOMAN doesnt automatically mean losing all your family and friends. you would be amazed at what people will accept when it comes to loved ones, especially family.
What exactly do you think you would be saving a ts woman from by being down low? the confidence and joy of knowing that she has a man who loves her, is proud of her and stands by her. that sounds super horrible, the indignities of it all lmao. lets not pretend that its nothing more than saving your own ass from the perceived consequences that you imagine would happen.
while we're on the topic of perceived "consequences" please stop mentioning that career bullshit. its the 21st century no one is going to fire you or pass you up for a promotion because your dating a ts woman. the worst that would happen is some people would think your gay but we now live in a country where being gay isnt stigmatized and your sure as hell not likely to get fired over it. what might have a negative impact is if your company has a morality clause and you got caught seeing ts hookers but thats not the same as openly dating a ts woman is it.
you dl men have noting hard! thats the whole point, your fucking hiding in the shadows afraid of what would happen if people found out your "dirty little secret". hiding to avoid conflict, hardship or consequences is the exact definition of cowardly. you can fool yourself all you want but your not fooling others.
As a ts woman i find it offensive that i went through a long, difficult journey to become the woman i am today (the kind of woman you desire) but you think its okay to want to be a part of my life without having 1/4th of the courage i had to have.fuck out of here with that

side note: remy mad an excellent point about if being on the dl is so hard, that the prospect of your secret getting out so horrible that why even mess with ts woman in the first place.If your perceived consequences mean so much more to you than why even risk it. grow up, learn some self control and live life ts girls free. of course no one responded to that logic.

[chubbychaser]

this is pure foolishness lmaoooo
first of all being with a TS WOMAN doesnt automatically mean losing all your family and friends. you would be amazed at what people will accept when it comes to loved ones, especially family.
What exactly do you think you would be saving a ts woman from by being down low? the confidence and joy of knowing that she has a man who loves her, is proud of her and stands by her. that sounds super horrible, the indignities of it all lmao. lets not pretend that its nothing more than saving your own ass from the perceived consequences that you imagine would happen.
while we're on the topic of perceived "consequences" please stop mentioning that career bullshit. its the 21st century no one is going to fire you or pass you up for a promotion because your dating a ts woman. the worst that would happen is some people would think your gay but we now live in a country where being gay isnt stigmatized and your sure as hell not likely to get fired over it. what might have a negative impact is if your company has a morality clause and you got caught seeing ts hookers but thats not the same as openly dating a ts woman is it.
you dl men have noting hard! thats the whole point, your fucking hiding in the shadows afraid of what would happen if people found out your "dirty little secret". hiding to avoid conflict, hardship or consequences is the exact definition of cowardly. you can fool yourself all you want but your not fooling others.
As a ts woman i find it offensive that i went through a long, difficult journey to become the woman i am today (the kind of woman you desire) but you think its okay to want to be a part of my life without having 1/4th of the courage i had to have.fuck out of here with that

side note: remy mad an excellent point about if being on the dl is so hard, that the prospect of your secret getting out so horrible that why even mess with ts woman in the first place.If your perceived consequences mean so much more to you than why even risk it. grow up, learn some self control and live life ts girls free. of course no one responded to that logic.

We mess with ts because WE LIKE IT, it's a fantasy ok. Now i agree i don't have alot of self control when it comes to sex I LIKE WHAT I LIKE and when it's on... it's on... MY PENIS has a mind of it's own when it's hard HE'S READY TO FUCK. Being Downlow men is hard because we're trying to avoid conflict from the people we love and care about,and also conflict in public as well.If there was no conflict involved WE WOULDN'T BE DOWNLOW. Im just a guy that hates drama and bullshit and i simply try to avoid it. Now imagine a brotha taking his ts woman to see the family on Thanksgiving AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ,you gonna have people whispering and the energy is gonna be all fucked up, you gonna have ppl making jokes , like what if your girl has to go to the bathroom and one of your relatives say some shit like "make sure you raise the seat up" THAT SHIT IS HORRIBLE.. it's just a way of avoiding conflict so you wont have whoop nobodies ASS!! Yallllll use to having to deal with the bullshit WE NOTTTTT.Alriteee...Being with a downlow brotha stop you from getting into some bs and it saves me from having to get into some bs AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WEEEE CANNN STILL ENJOYYYY EACH OTHER....WE CAN STILL GET ROMANTIC AND EVERYTHINGGGGGG. :cool: I can cook you diners at the HOUSE and you will feel like we at a restaurant!!!WE CAN STILL LOVE EACH OTHER!!! I don't want to live without ts when i can be downlow and get THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. Im just being realllllll. Im comfortable , SHE'S COMFORTABLE that's all dat matters, and nobody has to knowwww what we doing in that bedroom, CAUSE IT GETS REAL NASTYYY:D.

[tsamberskyi]

We mess with ts because WE LIKE IT, it's a fantasy ok. Now i agree i don't have alot of self control when it comes to sex I LIKE WHAT I LIKE and when it's on... it's on... MY PENIS has a mind of it's own when it's hard HE'S READY TO FUCK. Being Downlow men is hard because we're trying to avoid conflict from the people we love and care about,and also conflict in public as well.If there was no conflict involved WE WOULDN'T BE DOWNLOW. Im just a guy that hates drama and bullshit and i simply try to avoid it. Now imagine a brotha taking his ts woman to see the family on Thanksgiving AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ,you gonna have people whispering and the energy is gonna be all fucked up, you gonna have ppl making jokes , like what if your girl has to go to the bathroom and one of your relatives say some shit like "make sure you raise the seat up" THAT SHIT IS HORRIBLE.. it's just a way of avoiding conflict so you wont have whoop nobodies ASS!! Yallllll use to having to deal with the bullshit WE NOTTTTT.Alriteee...Being with a downlow brotha stop you from getting into some bs and it saves me from having to get into some bs AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WEEEE CANNN STILL ENJOYYYY EACH OTHER....WE CAN STILL GET ROMANTIC AND EVERYTHINGGGGGG. :cool: I can cook you diners at the HOUSE and you will feel like we at a restaurant!!!WE CAN STILL LOVE EACH OTHER!!! I don't want to live without ts when i can be downlow and get THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. Im just being realllllll. Im comfortable , SHE'S COMFORTABLE that's all dat matters, and nobody has to knowwww what we doing in that bedroom, CAUSE IT GETS REAL NASTYYY:D.

I've done the whole family holiday thing and it was nothing like that.
Just admit your a coward who can't deal with conflict and not for a girl you love? Not even from the generalal public which is composed of strangers? smh the opinion of strangers means more to you than a person you were hypothetically in love with? Speaks volumes about your character and moral fiber
What real man would even ask or want a woman to put up with a situation like that? What kind of self esteem or psychological side effects would a woman suffer from being in a secret relationship because of her gender? I'm sure you don't care as long as your dick is getting wet you selfish prick smfh
One day there won't be a stigma attached to dating ts woman because other men (like some have expressed on this board) have the confidence and bravery to date/love without shame.You sir would feel and know much like the Africans Americans who didn't participate during the civil rights movement felt...the crushing guilt of cowardice

[Juan]

We mess with ts because WE LIKE IT, it's a fantasy ok. Now i agree i don't have alot of self control when it comes to sex I LIKE WHAT I LIKE and when it's on... it's on... MY PENIS has a mind of it's own when it's hard HE'S READY TO FUCK. Being Downlow men is hard because we're trying to avoid conflict from the people we love and care about,and also conflict in public as well.If there was no conflict involved WE WOULDN'T BE DOWNLOW. Im just a guy that hates drama and bullshit and i simply try to avoid it. Now imagine a brotha taking his ts woman to see the family on Thanksgiving AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ,you gonna have people whispering and the energy is gonna be all fucked up, you gonna have ppl making jokes , like what if your girl has to go to the bathroom and one of your relatives say some shit like "make sure you raise the seat up" THAT SHIT IS HORRIBLE.. it's just a way of avoiding conflict so you wont have whoop nobodies ASS!! Yallllll use to having to deal with the bullshit WE NOTTTTT.Alriteee...Being with a downlow brotha stop you from getting into some bs and it saves me from having to get into some bs AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WEEEE CANNN STILL ENJOYYYY EACH OTHER....WE CAN STILL GET ROMANTIC AND EVERYTHINGGGGGG. :cool: I can cook you diners at the HOUSE and you will feel like we at a restaurant!!!WE CAN STILL LOVE EACH OTHER!!! I don't want to live without ts when i can be downlow and get THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. Im just being realllllll. Im comfortable , SHE'S COMFORTABLE that's all dat matters, and nobody has to knowwww what we doing in that bedroom, CAUSE IT GETS REAL NASTYYY:D.


Chubbychaser,

When do you feel this “Down low” charade will end? Surely, you cannot follow this pattern forever? Your comments are precisely the reason why TS Shyla Stacks has made Jazze Pha sexuality public.

[Ms Remy M]

And we talking CAREERS HERE, years of hard work going down the drain cause of stuff like this, we have to be careful.

Seriously this is the most ignorant part of all that was said. What line of work are you in, that you feel dating a trans woman is going to cause you to lose your job? What evidence do you have to support your belief that when men working jobs mention to their family and friends that they are in a loving relationship with a woman who just happens to be transsexual, you end up losing your job? lol totally laughable

[Ms Remy M]

We mess with ts because WE LIKE IT, it's a fantasy ok. Now i agree i don't have alot of self control when it comes to sex I LIKE WHAT I LIKE and when it's on... it's on... MY PENIS has a mind of it's own when it's hard HE'S READY TO FUCK. Being Downlow men is hard because we're trying to avoid conflict from the people we love and care about,and also conflict in public as well.If there was no conflict involved WE WOULDN'T BE DOWNLOW. Im just a guy that hates drama and bullshit and i simply try to avoid it. Now imagine a brotha taking his ts woman to see the family on Thanksgiving AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ,you gonna have people whispering and the energy is gonna be all fucked up, you gonna have ppl making jokes , like what if your girl has to go to the bathroom and one of your relatives say some shit like "make sure you raise the seat up" THAT SHIT IS HORRIBLE.. it's just a way of avoiding conflict so you wont have whoop nobodies ASS!! Yallllll use to having to deal with the bullshit WE NOTTTTT.Alriteee...Being with a downlow brotha stop you from getting into some bs and it saves me from having to get into some bs AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WEEEE CANNN STILL ENJOYYYY EACH OTHER....WE CAN STILL GET ROMANTIC AND EVERYTHINGGGGGG. :cool: I can cook you diners at the HOUSE and you will feel like we at a restaurant!!!WE CAN STILL LOVE EACH OTHER!!! I don't want to live without ts when i can be downlow and get THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. Im just being realllllll. Im comfortable , SHE'S COMFORTABLE that's all dat matters, and nobody has to knowwww what we doing in that bedroom, CAUSE IT GETS REAL NASTYYY:D.

You are making up hypothetical that may never actually happen. Based on your logic of avoiding conflict, you shouldn't go outside either because someone may mug you and make you look like a little bitch.

Now, it is true you never know how family is going to act, and I can say that around holidays and events people are gossiping and joking about all manner of shit regardless. They gossiping about who got an abortion, who is cheating on who, who is still on welfare, that's just the way people are. You sit there and deal with that shit like everything else, because you are deluding yourself if you think the fam don't gossip and joke about the genetic girl you are bringing around too, and just like with a trans woman you probably wouldn't hear about it yourself, they'd be doing that amongst themselves. To your face your family will deal with you just the same as they always have, the bold ones may state how they feel about the matter and then keep it moving. The only real extreme examples of outright conflict from family would be by the overly religious right wings. Even then, what's the worst that is going to happen, you are a grown adult with your own place, living your own life, it's not like they are kicking you out of the home and leaving you to fend for yourself in the world.

[ty-clone]

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If you a celeb you CANNOT I repeat YOU CANNOT be caught w/a TS. No Bueno. Bro. everybody will turn on you

yup, see mr cee, i feel bad for him.

[werwt22]

So if someone in the “hip-hop community” were caught flirting with someone who was gay, he would face the same scrutiny as if he flirted with a transsexual?

For I have witnessed many who would class themselves as hip-hop enthusiasts slyly flirt with other guys through a means of body language, in public assuming the person is gay. I can’t recall seeing it as a big deal in the eyes of others as a hip-hop person flirting with a transsexual in public.

unless you were "fooled," the community considers you smashing a tranny the same as smashing a gay guy, mainly because majority of everyone on this planet are uneducated in regards this lifestyle. Half the TS I meet consider themselves gay or still men no matter how far they transition and thats a few "big" names at that. So if they cant even agree on being considered women, why would you expect any other group of people to view TS as women.

[werwt22]

chubbychaser they already know how you feel regardless of how you word it bruh. No way to "win" this argument because they took offense to it, though I understand what you mean in a sense. Im not DL but I dont feel the need to advertise my relationship either. I just want a passable girl that we can live life without everyone questioning shit and pointing fingers.

[tsamberskyi]

But you can't understand what we mean *sucks teeth*
And for the record this is one girl who considers herself a woman ;)

[chubbychaser]

unless you were "fooled," the community considers you smashing a tranny the same as smashing a gay guy, mainly because majority of everyone on this planet are uneducated in regards this lifestyle. Half the TS I meet consider themselves gay or still men no matter how far they transition and thats a few "big" names at that. So if they cant even agree on being considered women, why would you expect any other group of people to view TS as women.

Real shit!!! Most of them do see themselves as men because alot of them started out as gay men they just saw a way of getting they hustle on and saw that they look better as a female. You wouldn't believe how many ts i've talked to that consider themselves GAY. But again if you using your dick and fucking a man that is considered GAY SEX. And again altho i don't consider myself or ts women gay I DO ENGAGE INTO THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WITH THEM. Alot of these ts on here act as if they speak for the majority WHEN THEY DON'T, if you sit back and examine the world of ts THEN they would SEE WHERE WE COMING FROM. They'd see why this shit confuses usss.

[tsamberskyi]

Real shit!!! Most of them do see themselves as men because alot of them started out as gay men they just saw a way of getting they hustle on and saw that they look better as a female. You wouldn't believe how many ts i've talked to that consider themselves GAY. But again if you using your dick and fucking a man that is considered GAY SEX. And again altho i don't consider myself or ts women gay I DO ENGAGE INTO THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WITH THEM. Alot of these ts on here act as if they speak for the majority WHEN THEY DON'T, if you sit back and examine the world of ts THEN they would SEE WHERE WE COMING FROM. They'd see why this shit confuses usss.

Oh trust that we come in contact with and get tho know on a personal level way more ts woman than you do lol.it is my roommates job after all to shoot these lovely ladies lol.
For the record, yes my Saturday night is boring smh

[anonymoussonny]

Sadly enough Jazze is not the first nor will he be the last. You would think that after a certain level of success these men and women would declare themselves but it all comes back to wanting to be seen as accepted in social/professional circles mostly. This thread is a perfect example of the divergent opinions of the TG woman and those of us who admire them privately or openly. I find it really difficult to understand why we can't just agree to disagree as opposed to challenging and somewhat demeaning banter amongst those of us who chose to associate with the elements of the TG world. "No we can't all just get along..." but damn we cant even exist without casting aspersions...:cool:

[werwt22]

But you can't understand what we mean *sucks teeth*
And for the record this is one girl who considers herself a woman ;)

hahaha i didnt say i didnt understand you. but we've had that conversation before so I figured there was no need to speak on it.

[btglover]

Whatever happens in the dark always comes to the light i guess that one got past more than a few of you lol. Ive not seen such a toxic mix of shame, self hate, lust and frankly a misogynistic outlook in a long time. Just cause you lust after transwomen doesn't mean you get a free pass at treating them accessories or even less than that.

[tsamberskyi]

Whatever happens in the dark always comes to the light i guess that one got past more than a few of you lol. Ive not seen such a toxic mix of shame, self hate, lust and frankly a misogynistic outlook in a long time. Just cause you lust after transwomen doesn't mean you get a free pass at treating them accessories or even less than that.

Big wet kiss from me to anywhere you like ;) lol

[Ms Remy M]

Sadly enough Jazze is not the first nor will he be the last. You would think that after a certain level of success these men and women would declare themselves but it all comes back to wanting to be seen as accepted in social/professional circles mostly. This thread is a perfect example of the divergent opinions of the TG woman and those of us who admire them privately or openly. I find it really difficult to understand why we can't just agree to disagree as opposed to challenging and somewhat demeaning banter amongst those of us who chose to associate with the elements of the TG world. "No we can't all just get along..." but damn we cant even exist without casting aspersions...:cool:

Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.

[btglover]

Big wet kiss from me to anywhere you like ;) lol

Only if I can put it away for a rainy day lol:D

[btglover]

[QUOTE=Ms Remy M;49475]Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.[/QUOT


Makes me think of the truth behind the statement that some of the best white supremacists are not white themselves.

[werwt22]

Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.

Since I'm the only one who referenced that I feel the need to clarify. "Me, myself, and I," in no way think its right to kill anyone for putting someone on blast. A good ass whipping maybe, but death, no. I was just saying it happens and its a dangerous game to play with people that are pressured or willing.

[werwt22]

Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.

Amber spoke on more positive trans stories, but whats the news we always get from trans women? "Someone was fooled and he killed her, Someone famous was outed, Someone was busted for prostitution." Reality is trans women, especially "mothers", need to set a better example for the girls they guide and lead them on a better path. I'll sum the point im trying to make up by saying the words "sheep" and "media".

I love women period...gg and trans, but Remy you need to realize you've stepped into a women's world, and these are regular women problems babe. Congrats.....your just as unhappy as most women are LOL.

[SHAUN]

The niggaz I hang around will NEVER be accepting if I ever came out and kept it 100. So I'm like F it might as well take it the DL route

Respectfully, you should do yourself a big favour and stop associating with such people...

People have no right to make anchors of themselves and weigh you down like that... They're smothering and stifling your manliness in a very real way!

Find some resolve and cut yourself loose... I'm not saying you need to fuck 'em all off rudely and provocatively, but ease yourself outta there and live your life manfully; you, and no one else, should answer to zombies!

blue eyed devil

[werwt22]

Respectfully, you should do yourself a big favour and stop associating with such people...

People have no right to make anchors of themselves and weigh you down like that... They're smothering and stifling your manliness in a very real way!

Find some resolve and cut yourself loose... I'm not saying you need to fuck 'em all off rudely and provocatively, but ease yourself outta there and live your life manfully; you, and no one else, should answer to zombies!

blue eyed devil

takes time with people your deeply rooted with bruh. Give the man time....it will work itself out.

[tsamberskyi]

Amber example for trans attracted more positive trans stories, but whats the news we always get from trans women? "Someone was fooled and he killed her, Someone famous was outed, Someone was busted for prostitution." Reality is trans women, especially "mothers", need to set a better example for the girls they guide and lead them on a better path. I'll sum the point im trying to make up by saying the words "sheep" and "media".

I love women period...gg and trans, but Remy you need to realize you've stepped into a women's world, and these are regular women problems babe. Congrats.....your just as unhappy as most women are LOL.

How about you set a better example for ts attracted men instead of condoning and making excuses for their dl behavior.
You don't see the viscous cycle of predatory men and jaded ts woman?
Y'all wonder why some girls prostitute? How many of you desire an open honest relationship with a ts vs. a sexual romp? Judging by the responses on this thread alone not many.so she should be a guys secret play thing for free?? Lmaaooo

[werwt22]

How about you set a better example for ts attracted men instead of condoning and making excuses for their dl behavior.
You don't see the viscous cycle of predatory men and jaded ts woman?
Y'all wonder why some girls prostitute? How many of you desire an open honest relationship with a ts vs. a sexual romp? Judging by the responses on this thread alone not many.so she should be a guys secret play thing for free?? Lmaaooo

LOL very true on the cycle and good points, but Amber you gotta remember a mass of men just dont commit period. Thats been an age old problem. I'm still down for a sexual "romp" (HAhaHAHAHAHA) if I like a chick though. I be like, girl lets have a "sexual romp" LMAO. I needed time to progress though. I understand it hurts because it directly affects you, but I needed time to figure out who I was. I can only allow the next man the same.

[tsamberskyi]

LOL very true on the cycle and good points, but Amber you gottaa remember a mass of men just dont commit period. Thats been an age old problem. I'm still down for a sexual "romp" (HAhaHAHAHAHA) if I like a chick though. I be like, girl lets have a "sexual romp" LMAO. I needed time to progress though. I understand it hurts because it directly affects you, but I needed time to figure out who I was. I can only allow the next man the same.

Smh...so in the mean time while he figures out who he is its doesn't matter how many ts he indirectly hurts? his feelings mean more than ours?
Its sad that only one man has spoken out in our favor and defence.that only one man gets it.to me that's a real man.the only kind of man I want to deal with.

[werwt22]

Smh...so in the mean time while he figures out who he is its doesn't matter how many ts he indirectly hurts? his feelings mean more than ours?
Its sad that only one man has spoken out in our favor and defense.that only one man gets it.to me that's a real man.the only kind of man I want to deal with.

never said you were wrong for feeling how you feel and i never said they were right for carrying it that way, and to be honest I dont feel the need to defend you because you seem to hold your own very well. I was just speaking on the situation. I dont value you feelings any less than anyone elses, and I never said it was ok to hurt yours either, but if a DL dude chooses to stay DL, it shouldnt take long for a girl to figure that out. It's just as many fucked up guys out there that will take you anywhere openly and still play you for whatever reason they deem fit. I was just saying some people have a good chance of changing and need time...never said you had to deal with it or wait.

[raheme]

Smh...so in the mean time while he figures out who he is its doesn't matter how many ts he indirectly hurts? his feelings mean more than ours?
Its sad that only one man has spoken out in our favor and defence.that only one man gets it.to me that's a real man.the only kind of man I want to deal with.

That's bullshit but atleast you are honest with yourself.

Whoa is the beautiful, multicultural, well traveled, intelligent, statuesque, transgendered woman...

[Ms Remy M]

Amber spoke on more positive trans stories, but whats the news we always get from trans women? "Someone was fooled and he killed her, Someone famous was outed, Someone was busted for prostitution." Reality is trans women, especially "mothers", need to set a better example for the girls they guide and lead them on a better path. I'll sum the point im trying to make up by saying the words "sheep" and "media".

I love women period...gg and trans, but Remy you need to realize you've stepped into a women's world, and these are regular women problems babe. Congrats.....your just as unhappy as most women are LOL.

Stop using MTO and WSHH as your news sources and try using trans advocacy news sources and you'll find all manner of positive news daily. See you only care to look for the sensationalism of trans issues and not the actual hard work being done every day to push for acceptance and outreach that is far more plentiful online.

lol You are clueless if you think I look to men for happiness, I'm completely happy and that comes from my inner self. A man would be lucky to lick the mud off my motorcycle boots, is how much I care to do anything or look for anything from misogynistic men. There is nothing a man could do for me that I don't do for myself even better already. You really have no idea who Ms Remy M is and what I'm about. I'm standing up for the civil rights our trans women issues, not personally complaining about my own relationship experiences. I've never once entertained a DL person in my presence. What exactly are you saying is regular women problems? Being told that trans women can never be taken home to family and friends? Trans women being told that they should die because they are talking about their own personal sex life? It's funny because guys don't have their lives threatened when they talk about the women they fuck. Hell, even genetic women aren't threatened with death. You see anyone talking about killing Tiger Woods mistresses, how about Kobe Bryant mistress, anyone talking about killing them? Women attained rights legally long ago that trans women are still fighting for in the work place, in the medical community, in school. Do you really know anything that you are talking about or are you just talking out the side of your neck.

[tsamberskyi]

That's bullshit but atleast you are honest with yourself.

Whoa is the beautiful, multicultural, well traveled, intelligent, statuesque, transgendered woman...

Im not really sure what those sentences are trying to convey.....

[btglover]

ok i did pick up an air of audacity when reading a few replies...... I'm thinking dude you just told a transwoman you know transwomen better or as well they do because ..wait for it....wait for it...I know alot of escorts!! Wouldnt you think if thats your primary view of their lives your take might be a lil warped?

[tsamberskyi]

ok i did pick up an air of audacity when reading a few replies...... I'm thinking dude you just told a transwoman you know transwomen better or as well they do because ..wait for it....wait for it...I know alot of escorts!! Wouldnt you think if thats your primary view of their lives your take might be a lil warped?

Lol that's like an escort thinking all men are like her clients...but wait some do and y'all call those woman jaded.
It's all about perspective and perception.it's best to keep that in mind and not think in absolutes when it comes to a group of people

[werwt22]

Stop using MTO and WSHH as your news sources and try using trans advocacy news sources and you'll find all manner of positive news daily. See you only care to look for the sensationalism of trans issues and not the actual hard work being done every day to push for acceptance and outreach that is far more plentiful online.

lol You are clueless if you think I look to men for happiness, I'm completely happy and that comes from my inner self. A man would be lucky to lick the mud off my motorcycle boots, is how much I care to do anything or look for anything from misogynistic men. There is nothing a man could do for me that I don't do for myself even better already. You really have no idea who Ms Remy M is and what I'm about. I'm standing up for the civil rights our trans women issues, not personally complaining about my own relationship experiences. I've never once entertained a DL person in my presence. What exactly are you saying is regular women problems? Being told that trans women can never be taken home to family and friends? Trans women being told that they should die because they are talking about their own personal sex life? It's funny because guys don't have their lives threatened when they talk about the women they fuck. Hell, even genetic women aren't threatened with death. You see anyone talking about killing Tiger Woods mistresses, how about Kobe Bryant mistress, anyone talking about killing them? Women attained rights legally long ago that trans women are still fighting for in the work place, in the medical community, in school. Do you really know anything that you are talking about or are you just talking out the side of your neck.

HAHAHA really though? Dont forget I use TMZ mainly -_______-. You seemed to have completely overlooked my earlier point when I told you most of teh world was uneducated in regards to this lifestyle. There should be a bigger push to make those stories mainstream, instead of the girl who went to jail for injecting concrete. I deal with trans women in more ways than backpage/craigslist thanks. Whats up with the insults? "Regular women problems" referred to men not wanting to claim women period, finding a man that wants to do more than show up and fuck. Had nothing to do with you being gg or TS, being below anyone, or being killed. I never spoke on you needing a man so I have no clue where that came from or about you entertaining a DL dude. I only spoke on some guys that are DL need time to make a major life-changing decision. You'll pop off at the mouth like its so damn easy to just up and leave all your friends/family behind just because they might not agree. I've already passed that mark for myself so I know how hard it is. Why are we talking about trans rights when I said we needed more positive leaders instead of so many pointing these girls in the direction of prostitution? That wasnt pointing the finger at you, but you seem to have taken offense to it. As far as the girls getting threatened or killed, YES THAT"S TRUE. That's not talking out the side of my neck, (whatever that is). The black community is not very accepting of that lifestyle, no matter how much money you make. I've been in management oersonally witnessed "certain people" not get the job or lose it, because others werent comfortable working with them when they found out. So yes, guys go that extra mile to not get caught. Not saying its ok, but I just was saying these girls put theyre life on teh line when they do those things.

[tsamberskyi]

HAHAHA really though? Dont forget I use TMZ mainly -_______-. You seemed to have completely overlooked my earlier point when I told you most peopleworld was uneducated in regards to this lifestyle. There should be a bigger push to make those stories mainstream, instead of the girl who went to jail for injecting concrete. I deal with trans women in more ways than backpage/craigslist thanks. Whats up with the insults? "Regular women problems" referred to men not wanting to claim women period, finding a man that wants to do more than show up and fuck. Had nothing to do with you being gg or TS, being below anyone, or being killed. I never spoke on you needing a man so I have no clue where that came from or about you entertaining a DL dude. I only spoke on some guys that are DL need time to make a major life-changing decision. You'll pop off at the mouth like its so damn easy to just up and leave all your friends/family behind just because they might not agree. I've already passed that mark for myself so I know how hard it is. Why are we talking about trans rights when I said we needed more positive leaders instead of so many pointing these girls in the direction of prostitution? That wasnt pointing the finger at you, but you seem to have taken offense to it. As far as the girls getting threatened or killed, YES THAT"S TRUE. That's not talking out the side of my neck, (whatever that is). The black community is not very accepting of that lifestyle, no matter how much money you make. I've been in management oersonally witnessed "certain people" not get the job or lose it, because others werent comfortable working with them when they found out. So yes, guys go that extra mile to not get caught. Not saying its ok, but I just was saying these girls put theyre life on teh line when they do those things.

Omg, just stop it! Not every man who openly dates a ts woman leaves or losses his family.For some this maybe be a possible reality for sure but for most I imagine people will eventually come around or not care.
You guys talk about this shit like it's the red scare.Stop buying into the hysteria.I've meet a few friends/family.Were there a few awkward questions here and there? Hell yea lol but I have yet to experience any drama, disrespect or disownment (I made that word up lol) towards my male friends/lovers or myself.
To be honest I don't believe your statement that people are getting passed up on jobs frequently because they are gay,ts or ts attracted.I personally know more lgbt people with jobs than I know those without.I'm sure I can find statistics if you want them.You probably have the same likely hood to be passed up for being black as being gay.
How about you stop making excuses for dl men and start giving reasons why theyt should be open....im going to wait (literally).....
Don't talk about ts rights or what the ts community should do when you can't even.claim a girl openly or encourage others to stop treating ts woman as play things.you sound fucking silly even trying to do so...much like the peope who always complain about the state of the US but never votes or exercise any of their political rights as a citizen

[tsamberskyi]

Yooo why is this even a debate tho....
Can yall niggas really not see how fucked up it is to tell someone that its only ok for yall to hang and have sex as long as no one knows about it because of what they are?!?!
Cant believe that this something yall think is ok.smh....shaking my goddamn head.niggas aint shit

[werwt22]

Omg, just stop it! Not every man who openly dates a ts woman leaves or losses his family.For some this maybe be a possible reality for sure but for most I imagine people will eventually come around or not care.
You guys talk about this shit like it's the red scare.Stop buying into the hysteria.I've meet a few friends/family.Were there a few awkward questions here and there? Hell yea lol but I have yet to experience any drama, disrespect or disownment (I made that word up lol) towards my male friends/lovers or myself.
To be honest I don't believe your statement that people are getting passed up on jobs frequently because they are gay,ts or ts attracted.I personally know more lgbt people with jobs than I know those without.I'm sure I can find statistics if you want them.You probably have the same likely hood to be passed up for being black as being gay.
How about you stop making excuses for dl men and start giving reasons why theyt should be open....im going to wait (literally).....
Don't talk about ts rights or what the ts community should do when you can't even.claim a girl openly or encourage others to stop treating ts woman as play things.you sound fucking silly even trying to do so...much like the peope who always complain about the state of the US but never votes or exercise any of their political rights as a citizen

SMH how about I've been giving reasons in several threads for them to be open and how it feels like a burden being lifted when the discussion comes up. Just because I'm more compassionate than you in regards, and willing to listen to what they have to say, I'm accepting of their behavior in how they treat women? NO, but that's a decision that they have to make and you dont just make it overnight. Your right, everybody I told was pretty accepting other than a few that I dont really fuck with anymore anyway, but 90% of that shit is mental and its just a hard decision to make. There would been no hope for me if I got constantly bashed everytime I said I was scared of gettin caught or that I liked TS in the past. But you'll are no better for degrading that person right back...all that good shit you speak falls on deaf ears the way you'll communicate it. As far as the job goes, I have TS friends, an aunt in human resources, a VP immediate family member, and being management myself, that all say the same about how often this happens. No one cares what the numbers are because the fact is the shit gets swept under the rug and whatever numbers you find arent real. No they wont "say" they fired you for being gay, but they will put you under a microscope until they find a reason to get rid of you. We still have a long way to go as far as tolerance here.

[werwt22]

Yooo why is this even a debate tho....
Can yall niggas really not see how fucked up it is to tell someone that its only ok for yall to hang and have sex as long as no one knows about it because of what they are?!?!
Cant believe that this something yall think is ok.smh....shaking my goddamn head.niggas aint shit

Yea it sounds real fucked up, and yes some of them are fucked up yea, but most are just scared. Being black, I've went through this several times with white girls when I was a little younger, but I dont bear any hatred or ill will for them feeling that way. In the end, a lot of them just dont have the courage or strength, which makes those such admirable qualities. There are still plenty of racist around that will never change their views/opinions, but I also see a more tolerant generation coming up below us so apparently the message being spoken from my generation seems to be a good one. We just live in fucked up times, and though change will never be immediate, I'm just happy to know its headed in the right direction.

[raheme]

Im not really sure what those sentences are trying to convey.....

You're way too sexy and intelligent to use such crutches. ..

[Indy24]

Yooo why is this even a debate tho....
Can yall niggas really not see how fucked up it is to tell someone that its only ok for yall to hang and have sex as long as no one knows about it because of what they are?!?!
Cant believe that this something yall think is ok.smh....shaking my goddamn head.niggas aint shit

You're not likely to marry any guy posting in this thread.
So get in where you fit in....

Condemning the men who simply jerk off to your vids/pics is a waste of time.

[raheme]

You're not likely to marry any guy posting in this thread.
So get in where you fit in....

Condemning the men who simply jerk off to your vids/pics is a waste of time.

Pretty much lol

Searching for moral victories on an online message board dedicated to the objectification of said women is a fail.

[werwt22]

You're not likely to marry any guy posting in this thread.
So get in where you fit in....

Condemning the men who simply jerk off to your vids/pics is a waste of time.

she just might =D. Never know LOL

[werwt22]

Pretty much lol

Searching for moral victories on an online message board dedicated to the objectification of said women is a fail.

LMAO very true

[Ms Remy M]

your just as unhappy as most women are LOL.

So, what was the point of this statement?

[Ms Remy M]

SMH how about I've been giving reasons in several threads for them to be open and how it feels like a burden being lifted when the discussion comes up. Just because I'm more compassionate than you in regards, and willing to listen to what they have to say, I'm accepting of their behavior in how they treat women? NO, but that's a decision that they have to make and you dont just make it overnight. Your right, everybody I told was pretty accepting other than a few that I dont really fuck with anymore anyway, but 90% of that shit is mental and its just a hard decision to make. There would been no hope for me if I got constantly bashed everytime I said I was scared of gettin caught or that I liked TS in the past. But you'll are no better for degrading that person right back...all that good shit you speak falls on deaf ears the way you'll communicate it. As far as the job goes, I have TS friends, an aunt in human resources, a VP immediate family member, and being management myself, that all say the same about how often this happens. No one cares what the numbers are because the fact is the shit gets swept under the rug and whatever numbers you find arent real. No they wont "say" they fired you for being gay, but they will put you under a microscope until they find a reason to get rid of you. We still have a long way to go as far as tolerance here.

Sounds like a crock of shit. Sure any employee may get fired behind what was really a personal preference, but at the end of the day if the employee is fucking up then that is their fault, not their gender identity or sexuality fault.

A person that says to reject statistical science and solely rely on anecdotal evidence is as foolish as the Republicans claiming that global warming isn't real and that drilling and mining doesn't effect the environment. They are really just more concerned with getting their own point across, and want to dismiss any and all facts.

[werwt22]

Sounds like a crock of shit. Sure any employee may get fired behind what was really a personal preference, but at the end of the day if the employee is fucking up then that is their fault, not their gender identity or sexuality fault.

A person that says to reject statistical science and solely rely on anecdotal evidence is as foolish as the Republicans claiming that global warming isn't real and that drilling and mining doesn't effect the environment. They are really just more concerned with getting their own point across, and want to dismiss any and all facts.

yes remy. thats my point. a lot people arent accepting of that type of person and they get fired over shit that they would normally let go for someone else. And statistical evidence is BULLSHIT. Using a group of 10,000 to represent 100 million? 1 in 10 people feel blah blah blah. IDK if youve taken the class, but the results are skewed in, not all, but most studies. Statistics are in no way facts. If you disagree Remy that's cool, but of course imma try to make my point.

[anonymoussonny]

Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.

I find your premise laughable. You're on a Black Tgirl Porn Blog expecting to find nirvana and acceptance to all your issues...:confused: Just because you cute don't mean I or anyone else has to agree with you or your 'roomie/friend'! We are all entitled to our opinions and you are starting to sound like the 'angry black woman' who finds no peace because she refuses to promote it. I hope this is only a phase for you because you were remarkably level headed in the past and rarely ranted like this. Maybe you've changed...we haven't chatted in a while so i'm not sure.

You assume I am only supporting trans women 'from the confines of jerking off behind a computer' but that's a hell of a lie. My family employs gay and transgendered staff and has promoted & judged TG Balls... among other things. Be careful about your assumptions as I may be behind a computer as I type this message but when I log off, I AM THE BOSS and make decisions that support families, friends and employees. One day maybe you'll be blessed enough to have that perspective;).

[Ms Remy M]

I find your premise laughable. You're on a Black Tgirl Porn Blog expecting to find nirvana and acceptance to all your issues...:confused: Just because you cute don't mean I or anyone else has to agree with you or your 'roomie/friend'! We are all entitled to our opinions and you are starting to sound like the 'angry black woman' who finds no peace because she refuses to promote it. I hope this is only a phase for you because you were remarkably level headed in the past and rarely ranted like this. Maybe you've changed...we haven't chatted in a while so i'm not sure.

You assume I am only supporting trans women 'from the confines of jerking off behind a computer' but that's a hell of a lie. My family employs gay and transgendered staff and has promoted & judged TG Balls... among other things. Be careful about your assumptions as I may be behind a computer as I type this message but when I log off, I AM THE BOSS and make decisions that support families, friends and employees. One day maybe you'll be blessed enough to have that perspective;).

I'm not expecting to find nirvana, just common sense and human decency lol things that go over people heads until they are the one being offended. I'm not an angry black woman, I'm just a woman that demands respect and is not scared to state my opinions. If you can't take opinions you shouldn't be on this forum, go hire an escort that will only tell you what you want to hear. There is a reason no models come on here to have casual conversation with you guys, because they see how you guys really think of them and don't want anything to do with guys on here unless it is making them money.

uh huh, and I'm the Queen of England, see since you are all anonymous there really is no accountability on your part. In all the years of being on here this is the first time you've said such a thing, so it comes off like the person saying whatever it takes to be 'right'. But you certainly can prove your words and take a picture of yourself cutting those checks for your LGBT employees at this mysterious job, just like the girls do for their confirmation photos lol Truly it would be awesome if your 'family' is operating such a business, though it seems odd you would not point this out in the many instances in which guys claim trans/gay people can't get jobs or men are fired for being associated with trans/gay people. For the record, I already do those things.

[btglover]

I'm not expecting to find nirvana, just common sense and human decency lol things that go over people heads until they are the one being offended. I'm not an angry black woman, I'm just a woman that demands respect and is not scared to state my opinions. If you can't take opinions you shouldn't be on this forum, go hire an escort that will only tell you what you want to hear. There is a reason no models come on here to have casual conversation with you guys, because they see how you guys really think of them and don't want anything to do with guys on here unless it is making them money.

uh huh, and I'm the Queen of England, see since you are all anonymous there really is no accountability on your part. In all the years of being on here this is the first time you've said such a thing, so it comes off like the person saying whatever it takes to be 'right'. But you certainly can prove your words and take a picture of yourself cutting those checks for your LGBT employees at this mysterious job, just like the girls do for their confirmation photos lol Truly it would be awesome if your 'family' is operating such a business, though it seems odd you would not point this out in the many instances in which guys claim trans/gay people can't get jobs or men are fired for being associated with trans/gay people. For the record, I already do those things.

Touche lady touche

[Handandsom]

Jazze Pha getting busted out about, fuels good debates. This thread has some great points and of course some bull.

[Handandsom]

Uh because this should be an accepting community for trans issues, and all most of the guys here want to do is not accept trans issues, and glorify instances in which they would gladly kill a trans woman. You only care to stand up for trans women from the confines of jerking off behind a computer, and even then you demand that we expect nothing but being treated like shit from you.

Thankfully black people got better treatment from white people wanting to help blacks attain rights, or else blacks would still be out picking cotton.

No! you would still be picking cotton :cool:
Black people's plight in this country and a few others, will never compare to the LGBT communities issues.

[Ms Remy M]

No! you would still be picking cotton :cool:
Black people's plight in this country and a few others, will never compare to the LGBT communities issues.

I didn't say anything about lgbt civil rights issues being worse than black civil rights issue, so what exactly are you talking about? Are you saying the only civil rights issues that matter are black? :confused:

[werwt22]

No! you would still be picking cotton :cool:
Black people's plight in this country and a few others, will never compare to the LGBT communities issues.

Dont know if this post is sarcastic but I really hope you didnt compare what AA went through vs LGBT community.

[tsamberskyi]

Dont know if this post is sarcastic but I really hope you didnt compare what AA went through vs LGBT community.

No one said it was exactly the same but all civil rights are comparable

[werwt22]

No one said it was exactly the same but all civil rights are comparable

Blacks were looked at as less than nothing. Killed for trying to learn to read or looking at a white person the wrong way was only a small fraction of the idiotic reasons they were killed. The only thing on the same level was the holocaust. Not saying there arent terrible stories here also, but it's definitely not on that scale.

[unknown5]

My family, mom and friends know about my affiliation and like of transexuals. It's all good, even introduced one to my mother before :) It's all in how you carry yourself in the situation.

[tsamberskyi]

Blacks were looked at as less than nothing. Killed for trying to learn to redor looking at a white person the wrong way was only a small fraction of the idiotic reasons they were killed. The only thing on the same level was the holocaust. Not saying there arent terrible stories here also, but it's definitely not on that scale.

AGAIN, no one said the atrocities were on the same scale but the struggle for rights and equality are the same.
It is beyond disappointing that a group who knows the struggle can't empathize.

[werwt22]

AGAIN, no one said the atrocities were on the same scale but the struggle for rights and equality are the same.
It is beyond disappointing that a group who knows the struggle can't empathize.

sorry if i came off apathetic, but it was just my personal view that slavery and the holocaust were much more than a struggle for equality. I feel you though.

[Handandsom]

Dont know if this post is sarcastic but I really hope you didnt compare what AA went through vs LGBT community.

No sarcasm there. All truth.

[Handandsom]

I didn't say anything about lgbt civil rights issues being worse than black civil rights issue, so what exactly are you talking about? Are you saying the only civil rights issues that matter are black? :confused:

Nope. What I'm saying is a little beyond what MLK did when he lump summed all of black America's plight into the coined phrase "civil rights". But maybe you will or have seen how this has come back to bite all of America...... but listen that is a saga for another site. Simply put black people's trials and tribulations in this country that are still on going today can't be compared to the LGBT communities on any level . I want to say for the same reason as it cannot be compared to the Holocaust I believe someone mentions that.

[Handandsom]

AGAIN, no one said the atrocities were on the same scale but the struggle for rights and equality are the same.
It is beyond disappointing that a group who knows the struggle can't empathize.

Not the same struggle sis which means there is no understanding. But I am curious to know your version of "the struggle"

[werwt22]

Nope. What I'm saying is a little beyond what MLK did when he lump summed all of black America's plight into the coined phrase "civil rights". But maybe you will or have seen how this has come back to bite all of America...... but listen that is a saga for another site. Simply put black people's trials and tribulations in this country that are still on going today can't be compared to the LGBT communities on any level . I want to say for the same reason as it cannot be compared to the Holocaust I believe someone mentions that.

*EDITED* I'm not even gonna try to argue on this one. Need more cheerful stories for Christmas

[raheme]

AGAIN, no one said the atrocities were on the same scale but the struggle for rights and equality are the same.
It is beyond disappointing that a group who knows the struggle can't empathize.

Name me 1 ethnicity or creed in america that as a whole isn't overly homophobic...when the lgbt community singles out blacks as this evil unsympathetic monolithic group of peoplei lose a lot of respect for them and their plight. You don't gain equality by minimizing someone else's struggle or experience.
You think the majority of white folks in america support gay rights? Jews? Muslim? Hindu? Nope...they are just as opposed to gay rights as blacks are, if not more. In fact, sadly most blacks are indifferent to the whole thing as most, the vast majority do not vote unless its an issue tied directly to obama.

[tsamberskyi]

Name me 1 ethnicity or creed in america that as a whole isn't overly homophobic...when the lgbt community singles out blacks as this evil unsympathetic monolithic group of peoplei lose a lot of respect for them and their plight. You don't gain equality by minimizing someone else's struggle or experience.
You think the majority of white folks in america support gay rights? Jews? Muslim? Hindu? Nope...they are just as opposed to gay rights as blacks are, if not more. In fact, sadly most blacks are indifferent to the whole thing as most, the vast majority do not vote unless its an issue tied directly to obama.
issue tied directly to obama.[/QUOTE]

oh you think so? So I wonder why more and more states are supporting gay marriage legislation, or why "don't ask, don't tell" is no longer a policy in the military...cause no one cares right?
I have yet to go to white suburbia and see people yelling "faggot" at obvious gay members but go to the hood tho.....
You know the Baptist church is the only Christian denomination to not have any gay clergy...hmmmm
Again, who is minimizing? I'm pretty sure I said it can't compare when it comes to atrocities...did you choose not to read?

[phi0820]

I'm gonna admit to being a lazy ass and not reading every post in this thread, so I apologize if there's anything redundant here. But I get both sides of the DL issue. Personally, I live by the philosophy that you don't fuck anyone you'd be embarrassed to be seen with, but at the same time, it can be a little more complicated in practice than it is in theory, because there are so many factors to consider, and society at large is just so uneducated about everything. One thing that people kinda gloss over is that trans-attracted men weren't born attracted to t-girls. So especially for a guy that previously never had any homosexual desires, and given what seems to be most women's aversion to bisexual men, isn't it somewhat understandable for him to be hesitant about openly dating t-girls? Do you go out on a limb and date an attractive but still very socially unacceptable t-girl at the risk of being shunned by genetic women? That's a real concern. And I don't see a lot of support for the trans-attracted man, or even any strong examples or role models they can look to to let them know that a "normal" life and an open relationship can be balanced successfully. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I was freaked the fuck out (and that's an understatement) when I realized I was attracted to t-girls, and much of that was because there were NO reliable sources or people to talk to to let me know I wasn't crazy (closest I could find was some psychology articles about how guys only mess with t-girls due to some repressed homosexual desire, which just fucked my head up more). And you get so many anti-gay/anti-bi messages thrown in your face on a regular basis that it can be very tough to deal with. This isn't to say that being on the DL is right per se, but the choice to date a t-girl openly isn't some lightweight decision; there can be a lot of complex issues going on there and, again, not a lot of support.

At the same time, people can't be educated about the subject if no one's open about it, and I don't think being open is as hard as folks make it out to be. I voluntarily told my family about my attraction to t-girls, and even though they gave me a problem about going out with a girl over the summer, it died down, and it hasn't been that much of a big deal. I've openly gone out with a couple of t-girls and the biggest issue I've had publicly was a waiter trying to talk to my girl right in front of me. And I've even discussed t-girls with a couple of female friends of mine, and thus far haven't run into any issues there either. I won't act like I'm walking around wearing "I love t-girls" shirts or anything as far as being open, so I'm far from the best example, but from my experience, no matter how much shit people talk, if they really care about you, they'll be there for you no matter what. In most cases, it's not like people are gonna be that deeply invested in your sex life for it to be an issue, and realistically, TS porn is among the more popular categories of porn out there, so there's a strong possibility that a lot of people whose opinions you're worried about are into it themselves.

[phi0820]

I have yet to go to white suburbia and see people yelling "faggot" at obvious gay members but go to the hood tho.....

Well, not all white people live in the suburbs. I've come across all kinds of inner-city dwelling working class whites who are unapologetically anti-gay. Also I went to high school in a suburban white community, and they've definitely got their shit with them too.

[chubbychaser]

I have yet to go to white suburbia and see people yelling "faggot" at obvious gay members but go to the hood tho.....

Yooo,who said this bullshit hahahaha. Obviously they never lived in the suburbs,because from my observation and living around white people they were 10 times harder on gay people. I know plenty of black people with gay family members including myself and is tolerant of gays but my white friends .... HELL NOOOOOOOO especially the religious ones people act as if black people are JUST homophobic when that's not true at all lolll. Shit if anything we learn to be homophobic FROM THEM. Boy growing with white folks they loveeeeeeeee calling somebody a "fucking queer or faggot" QUICKK. Why you think so many Caucasian homosexuals be killing themselves shit's ruff because whites BELIEVE IN LEGACY BEING PASSED DOWN niggas don't, so black gays got it easy if you ask me.

[SHAUN]

Yooo,who said this bullshit hahahaha. Obviously they never lived in the suburbs,because from my observation and living around white people they were 10 times harder on gay people. I know plenty of black people with gay family members including myself and is tolerant of gays but my white friends .... HELL NOOOOOOOO especially the religious ones people act as if black people are JUST homophobic when that's not true at all lolll. Shit if anything we learn to be homophobic FROM THEM. Boy growing with white folks they loveeeeeeeee calling somebody a "fucking queer or faggot" QUICKK. Why you think so many Caucasian homosexuals be killing themselves shit's ruff because whites BELIEVE IN LEGACY BEING PASSED DOWN niggas don't, so black gays got it easy if you ask me.

LOL... WHO WROTE THIS SHIIIIIT?

So...

You "... learn to be homophobic FROM THEM"?

Sounds like "you" learn a lot "from them"?... Well, more fool you lol...

Tell me... How does it feel to systematically absolve yourself (and others on the basis that they share your basic visual characteristics smdh & lol) of all responibilities?... Like a 6 year old child, maybe? Well done!... Cos that's exactly how you're supposed to feel in this Matrix... (words like "malleable" and "parochial" and "deluded" spring to mind, among others)

But hey, you're so right; people who are classed as LGBT are seldom seen in public in "white areas" because they know it's soooooo unsafe for them, right?... On the rare occasions they have to go out you can sense their fear, as they tremble at the possibility, nay, probability, that around the very next corner they turn there will be a middle-aged "white" couple who will attack them horrifically.

JOKE'S OVER: I live in London, and unprovoked attacks on LGBT people have risen MASSIVELY in recent years.... These attacks happen mostly in areas where there is a heavy religiously observant community... And I aint talking Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Buddists... So maybe you can guess who that leaves... (Clue: they tend not to be "white")

And even when there isn't a "religious" angle... The attakkkers still tend not to be "white".

You don't see such "patterns", do you?... You just refuse to acknowledge them, right? (Especially if it means fronting up to certain realities which you might consider too-close-to-home)

Unless, of course, it's the patterns THEY want YOU to see... The patterns you're programmed to see, based on certain visuals that you are programmed to be hypersensitive about..... In such cases, you see patterns very well, don't you hmmm?... Then you see patterns allll around you lol.... Even if they're not really there, you still "see" them, based on visual stimuli and your twisted notions of racial solidarity lol... But hey, at least you've demonstrated your affiliation and loyalty to your position within the matrix LOL

The Matrix thanks you for your unswerving and unquestioning compliance

blue eyed devil

[Handandsom]

LOL... WHO WROTE THIS SHIIIIIT?

So...

You "... learn to be homophobic FROM THEM"?

Sounds like "you" learn a lot "from them"?... Well, more fool you lol...

Tell me... How does it feel to systematically absolve yourself (and others on the basis that they share your basic visual characteristics smdh & lol) of all responibilities?... Like a 6 year old child, maybe? Well done!... Cos that's exactly how you're supposed to feel in this Matrix... (words like "malleable" and "parochial" and "deluded" spring to mind, among others)

But hey, you're so right; people who are classed as LGBT are seldom seen in public in "white areas" because they know it's soooooo unsafe for them, right?... On the rare occasions they have to go out you can sense their fear, as they tremble at the possibility, nay, probability, that around the very next corner they turn there will be a middle-aged "white" couple who will attack them horrifically.

JOKE'S OVER: I live in London, and unprovoked attacks on LGBT people have risen MASSIVELY in recent years.... These attacks happen mostly in areas where there is a heavy religiously observant community... And I aint talking Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Buddists... So maybe you can guess who that leaves... (Clue: they tend not to be "white")

And even when there isn't a "religious" angle... The attakkkers still tend not to be "white".

You don't see such "patterns", do you?... You just refuse to acknowledge them, right? (Especially if it means fronting up to certain realities which you might consider too-close-to-home)

Unless, of course, it's the patterns THEY want YOU to see... The patterns you're programmed to see, based on certain visuals that you are programmed to be hypersensitive about..... In such cases, you see patterns very well, don't you hmmm?... Then you see patterns allll around you lol.... Even if they're not really there, you still "see" them, based on visual stimuli and your twisted notions of racial solidarity lol... But hey, at least you've demonstrated your affiliation and loyalty to your position within the matrix LOL

The Matrix thanks you for your unswerving and unquestioning compliance

blue eyed devil

The Baptist Church was black folks foundation in America once upon a time. It was our governing body. It was one with the black community the pillar of our society. So we learned there was raised there was cared for there was defended there how soon do folks forget... or either have no clue..... most if not all of our civil rights leaders where ministers, hmmmmmm.... You can choose to be and do what you want but there are facts out there that may stop you Dead in your deeds and make you rethink your entire way of life. And so the intolerance among our culture stem from those teachings of the church and the close ties from generations of folk who came up through the church by way of struggle or religious belief. And like you said Ms Amber(btw thanks 4 taking down that avatar) they (the church) are still intolerant.
And b.e Devil I'm still lost as to why you would even take some of the positions you have taken in these matters, duke it doesn't matter where you are from the reason we are having this very conversation about struggle is because of people who look (blued eyed devil like) as my theroy would have you. Those "certain visuals" can be attributed to people who looked like you (based on your signature "B.E.D") If I were to play Devil's advocate and lump all folks of color and the LGBT community together the only groups of folk not talking about rights and struggle tend to be......??? almost certain you don't need the clue.

[kanguru]

I have no idea what the big deal about being famous, black, and being homophobic is. I love my black trannies. The bigger the dicks the better, too. You'd think dudes with money would give less of a fuck about what they like sexually, but I guess not.

Besides, shemales are so hot these days it's a damn lie to say you can't find at least five a completely straight man wouldn't entertain the thought of banging. I love reading these "Random celeb caught with..." threads. Why is it bad to get caught? If I was famous and was sitting on decent money, had a bad bitch with a dick, I'd suck her off in public. Who cares? People need to live their lives, man.

[raheme]

issue tied directly to obama.

oh you think so? So I wonder why more and more states are supporting gay marriage legislation, or why "don't ask, don't tell" is no longer a policy in the military...cause no one cares right?
I have yet to go to white suburbia and see people yelling "faggot" at obvious gay members but go to the hood tho.....
You know the Baptist church is the only Christian denomination to not have any gay clergy...hmmmm
Again, who is minimizing? I'm pretty sure I said it can't compare when it comes to atrocities...did you choose not to read?[/QUOTE]

You're limited view on geography and society as a whole is jarring. In your own words white america = suburbia and black America = the hood. Geez and us, you really need to get out more boo boo. Theres a whole lot of america in between nyc and l.a.

I don't know where you pulled your stat from (no black gay clergy baptist in the entire u.s.) but I will politely disagree.

You don't have to lie or contort the truth in order to gain support. The truth stands on its own merit.

[SHAUN]

You know what, you're all right... you're all correct.... thus:


Humans categorized as LGBT are JUST as likely to be attakkked by Christians/Buddists/Hindus/Sikhs/Agnostics/Atheists/Pagans/Satanists etc as they are by Islamists

And that's not all...


Humans categorized as LGBT in "racially mixed" areas are JUST as likely to be attakkked by people categorized as "white" as they are by people categorized as "black"

And what is more:


Where humans categorized as LGBT are occasionally attakkked by people categorized as "muslim" or "black" or "black muslim" it is not the fault of the attakkkers, but is actually DIRECTLY the fault of all people categorized as "white" because they are the ones who "taught" "non-white" people such nastiness.

And finally:


Any negativity/nastiness in this dimension known as Earth is the fault of "humans" categorized as "white" because they are the ones who transported such nastiness into this Utopia, which, prior to the invasion of such hairy, red-eared, pale-skinned hunchbacks, was of course a place of utter perfection and never-ending peace

Got that?

Everything kool now?

Does that make everything straight and "just so"?

Ahhhh, gooooood :)

Now go back to sleep, diddummms, I'm sorry if I disturbed you... everyting just fine.... nothing to worry about... nothing to see... that's right, go back to sleep... sleeeeeeep :)

Ahhh, sweet dreams babykins, my sweet little oppressed ones, sweet dreams

blue eyed devil

[SHAUN]

Oh, wait a second: Is that a mirror???!!!

Whatever you do - don't look in it!!!

it's one of their inventions, you know...

... Oh no no no

never look in the mirror - it's the devil's trickery!

Leave well alone,

my dear friends,

well, well alone ;)