Black Brazilian Transsexuals?

[LongGun]

Brazil is one the places that I want to visit during my lifetime. It seems to be transsexual heaven to me, in terms of the sheer number of transsexuals there. However, my question concerns whether or not so-called black Brazilian transsexuals acknowledge that fact that they are black? I am aware that being black is not a badge of honor amongst certain parts of the Brazilian populace. It is easy for us to call individuals with Africans features black because that is common parlance in the States. Again, do Brazilian trans really own up to the description 'black', or is it the case that they don't care what name you append to them so as long as they get paid?

[kilakali]

I go to Brasil at least 3 times a year(Sao Paulo and Bahia) and I can tell you that for the most part identiy is regional. For instance the tgirls from Bahia indentify with African thats because the majority of the people in that region are direct decendants from Africa (Sudan) with little to no mixture at all. Whereas Sao Paulo/ Rio Tgirls seem to identify with being Portuguese first and evevrything else second. Its kinda similiar to the Latinos from Cuba and the Dominican Republic.
If you decide to go to Brasil I HIGHLY advise you learn some Portuguese and have a friend who is fluent in the language espically if you are African American. My last visit there my friends who are African American were arrested and detained as the police accused them of being American drug dealers (Rio). Luckily I know the language and have been mistaken as a local so i dont get bothered.
I hope I answered your question if you have anymore I will try to the best of my knowledge to answer them.

[DirtySouth]

Im still saving up to make a trip down there someday. I love brazilian TS too my friend, but here is my two cents.

They arent "black". They are Latin. Dark skinned latinas. I view "black" as more or less a term to describe African Americans. What image comes to your mind when someone says "did you see that black girl?" Odds are its not a black brazilian. We can clearly tell the difference. The term is limited to describing skin color but here in America, if you say black, that is usually hand in hand with African Americans, dont you agree? I have an old army buddy that is puerto rican and he says it is very common to see a dark skinned PR person. They still refer to that person as puerto rican, not black. I think the line is blurred when dealing with Latin countries more so than other cultures who tend to use the term in order to seperate (i.e. Americans, Europeans) So I dont imagine themselves identifying themselves as black.

That's if you wanna be anal about it though. In the porn world, I do think it causes a little confusion especially if you're new to the transsexual porn. I've never seen "black brazilians" being hand in hand with african american females in str8 porn. I think it is a different circumstance in this niche. I think most of us dont care.

[kilakali]

Latin is not a race is a culture...Black is a race.. as I said before in some areas of Brasil they DO identify with black...as we call them pretos which means BLACK in Portuguese (Bahia). Since latinos are mixtures of different races most identify with nationality first and race second.

Maybe thats the thinking of people from the south that would explain why when me and my ex who is brasilian were getting stares when we went to Atlanta. The people were asking what we were and we told them we are black. We never were approached like that in the bigger multicultral cities. I guess thats how it is when people are in a certain place and dont travel they have these completely asinine views.

[Ms Remy M]

This is an interesting topic. My knowledge of Brazil and the culture is limited but it is my understanding that there is a distinction between the white and black brazilians. I do think it's awesome if they are above using it to segregate the community, but I don't know whether that's the case or not as I haven't been there.

From what I heard though, the black and white brazilians do get treated differently. Example; I think I remember a story about how overall it's harder for Brazilians to get Visa's to the US but slightly easier for the white Brazilians.

I can care less that the end of the day as they are all beautiful. Despite their oversaturation on the internet, I find the Brazilian Tgirls to be better than North American Tgirls hands down. I personally would luv to go on a romp way south of the border as well!!!! Tally-ho!!! LOL not sure where that came from.

[TVSURFER]

Here’s my nickel: I would have to disagree with you South on the description of Brazilians of African descent. Yes, they are black, as described as a person color, and yes they are Latin in correlation of the region they hail and call home, but the word Latin is derived from the Italic regions of ancient Rome, i.e. Spain and Portugal (also called Romanic because ancient Rome ruled those areas during its reign). Those Latin influences were brought to North and South America from Spain and Portugal, thus the term Latin was thrown around loosely by those visiting those regions. Latin is a culture. A white Mexican can be called a Latin (Yes, there are white Mexicans).
A Latina is described in certain Spanish dialects as a Spanish woman; a negra is described as a black woman in Spanish. Negro is an adjective in Spanish of the color black. The latter day, so-called African American is only about twenty-five years old, to that degree. Before the Civil Rights era, we were known as Negroes, after, we were described as black. Go figure?
Black Africans who were enslaved in the Portuguese regions, such as Brazil were mated with the indigenous people of that region, who were also enslaved; giving you the dark-skinned people with native, African - type features, i.e. straight hair and thick lips and wide noses and high cheek bones; a different persona of look and skin color.
In categorizing these people, such as was done with African slaves in North America and Europe, they were undoubtedly, described as black because of the dominant African, continental facade!
It is Nationalism that these people refer to themselves; Brazilian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc. not skin color. I don’t refer to myself as an African American, semantics not withstanding, but as an American of African descent; I don’t what nationality I am and my heritage cannot speak for a whole continent, which is Africa. My ancestors had to come from some country in Africa!
So, in the porn world, if I see two dark-skinned people fucking, I wouldn’t know where they were from until they start talking.

[DirtySouth]

Latin is not a race is a culture...Black is a race.. as I said before in some areas of Brasil they DO identify with black...as we call them pretos which means BLACK in Portuguese (Bahia). Since latinos are mixtures of different races most identify with nationality first and race second.

Maybe thats the thinking of people from the south that would explain why when me and my ex who is brasilian were getting stares when we went to Atlanta. The people were asking what we were and we told them we are black. We never were approached like that in the bigger multicultral cities. I guess thats how it is when people are in a certain place and dont travel they have these completely asinine views.

WTF is your problem?

Last I checked, Latin was right under the bubble in for black, white, etc. So Im pretty sure everyone on here knew what I was getting at, even if the statement was off. I work in this niche everyday and thats what I was speaking of from an AMERICAN point of view and of that from someone inside the industry. Yes, my point of view comes from a black man's pov of the world . Thats just what it is, MY POINT OF VIEW.

As far as this immature comment - "I guess thats how it is when people are in a certain place and dont travel they have these completely asinine views" - Im not gonna to waste my time giving that a responce.

Try to put the internet tough guy role on ice. If you have something constructive to say, lets keep it cordial. Everyone has their opinion and is should be allowed to speak up about it on this forum w/o being attacked for it.

[DirtySouth]

Here’s my nickel: I would have to disagree with you South on the description of Brazilians of African descent. Yes, they are black, as described as a person color, and yes they are Latin in correlation of the region they hail and call home, but the word Latin is derived from the Italic regions of ancient Rome, i.e. Spain and Portugal (also called Romanic because ancient Rome ruled those areas during its reign). Those Latin influences were brought to North and South America from Spain and Portugal, thus the term Latin was thrown around loosely by those visiting those regions. Latin is a culture. A white Mexican can be called a Latin (Yes, there are white Mexicans).
A Latina is described in certain Spanish dialects as a Spanish woman; a negra is described as a black woman in Spanish. Negro is an adjective in Spanish of the color black. The latter day, so-called African American is only about twenty-five years old, to that degree. Before the Civil Rights era, we were known as Negroes, after, we were described as black. Go figure?
Black Africans who were enslaved in the Portuguese regions, such as Brazil were mated with the indigenous people of that region, who were also enslaved; giving you the dark-skinned people with native, African - type features, i.e. straight hair and thick lips and wide noses and high cheek bones; a different persona of look and skin color.
In categorizing these people, such as was done with African slaves in North America and Europe, they were undoubtedly, described as black because of the dominant African, continental facade!
It is Nationalism that these people refer to themselves; Brazilian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc. not skin color. I don’t refer to myself as an African American, semantics not withstanding, but as an American of African descent; I don’t what nationality I am and my heritage cannot speak for a whole continent, which is Africa. My ancestors had to come from some country in Africa!
So, in the porn world, if I see two dark-skinned people fucking, I wouldn’t know where they were from until they start talking.

Thanks for the enlightenment. That was a lot more informative. This is a porn site though. I was simply stating my opinion from that my point of view when it comes to porn, not a world view. Promoting this niche I have found that a lot of surfers that are into black tgirls are into AMERICAN black tgirls. So from that point of view, I have seen a distinct difference. From a world point of view, you are 100% right. Although if a dark skinned brazilian was walking through downtown...Im sure you wouldnt refer to her as black.

[Ms Remy M]

YES thank you TVSurfer, very good points all around. I am all for debates, but there is a need for some proper decorum. We are, after all brothers in our mutual luv for Tgirls (especially black-tgirls). KilaKali, I've been all around the world, and I've been asked what my ethnic background is so I seriously doubt it has anything to with "..people are in a certain place and dont travel they have these completely asinine views." If I am correct, a good portion of Atlanta's populace is from other places and the city is a great travel hub itself.

[kilakali]

As far as this immature comment - "I guess thats how it is when people are in a certain place and dont travel they have these completely asinine views

If you read it correctly i was refering to the people who look at me and my girl and cant see BLACK but some deritive of something else(meaning the people from Atlanta that approached us).

Dirty South i found that offensive to me as saying im not black im latino wtf??? Also its white, black, and hispanic "under the bubble" not Latino.
Hispanic and Latino are not the same.

To Remy irmão I have been around the world as well (many times)and not through some Civil Service. In other words I have been to places where they dont go i.e. Eritrea, Cuba, Sri Lanka. My point is when i go to these places I am NEVER asked what I am. Only smaller areas predominately in the south (USA) is where I get approached.

[kilakali]

Also, I am stating from what I know from the TG experience in Brasil. I have spent time with quite a few of the brasilian t girls from this site as well as from some others (julia jones, Isabelly).

I have also spent time in the adult industry in the past as my namorada's sister was a fluffer for the John A. Stagliano Buttman videos, and we used to be on the sets. I have met him and alot of the GGs so I would say I am a decent spokesman.

From what I heard though, the black and white brazilians do get treated differently. Example; I think I remember a story about how overall it's harder for Brazilians to get Visa's to the US but slightly easier for the white Brazilians.

That is true Remy Brasil is about 50 years behind America when it comes to "equality". They believe the darker you are the more inferior you are to a more lighter skin person. They also believe dark is ugly of course this wasnt the case before colonization, when darker skin was closer to god-like.

[TVSURFER]

[QUOTE=DirtySouth; In the porn world, I do think it causes a little confusion especially if you're new to the transsexual porn. I've never seen "black brazilians" being hand in hand with african american females in str8 porn. I think it is a different circumstance in this niche. I think most of us dont care.[/QUOTE]

I am confused, because on this week's models, there is Shirley Maklow and Carla Arauyo! Are they considered black? They must be, they're on a black t-girl site, yet they are from Brazil?

[DirtySouth]

I am confused, because on this week's models, there is Shirley Maklow and Carla Arauyo! Are they considered black? They must be, they're on a black t-girl site, yet they are from Brazil?

If this site was nothing but dark skinned brazilian girls every week, would you be a member? Or would you start complaining?

I dont recall seeing anyone posting about one of the hot brazilian chicks that pop up on an update every now and then here on BTG. Why is that?

Most surfers prove there is a difference in black brazilians and african american (black) tgirls in what sites they choose to join and maintain memberships - whether you know it or not. That difference sometimes relies in what you may consider "black" to truly be. I run a black shemale website. If I throw a dark skinned brazilian on my website, my surfers will not react positively (a.k.a. making a sale) Most surfers do not consider it the same as most of you are arguing.

I'd rather not get into super detail about it. Im just clarifying that Im not calling any of you wrong, Im just stating my opinion.
Most dark skinned islanders/latin america people that I have came into contact with in the states DO NOT consider themselves black. Some even get offended. There is a certain reasoning behind it but I dont feel like its crucial to go into detail about just so a few of you can understand my position. Lets just enjoy the updates fellas!

[Ms Remy M]

I do like the Brazilians that appear on this site. Most if not all are gorgeous but I'm not one of the individuals that post pics of every hot chick I come across. Especially when we have more than adept posters like ROC and Pipeahoe refreshing our memories of hot chicks. :D

[LongGun]

I go to Brasil at least 3 times a year(Sao Paulo and Bahia) and I can tell you that for the most part identiy is regional. For instance the tgirls from Bahia indentify with African thats because the majority of the people in that region are direct decendants from Africa (Sudan) with little to no mixture at all. Whereas Sao Paulo/ Rio Tgirls seem to identify with being Portuguese first and evevrything else second. Its kinda similiar to the Latinos from Cuba and the Dominican Republic.
If you decide to go to Brasil I HIGHLY advise you learn some Portuguese and have a friend who is fluent in the language espically if you are African American. My last visit there my friends who are African American were arrested and detained as the police accused them of being American drug dealers (Rio). Luckily I know the language and have been mistaken as a local so i dont get bothered.
I hope I answered your question if you have anymore I will try to the best of my knowledge to answer them.


Thanks for the information. I guess people choose (consciously or not) the label that helps them get by in certain locales.