Yall have been boring the hell out of me as of late

[TSSexyChanel]

I don't know if its the change of seasons or what. But if you intend to have girls be here interact and think of you as more than tricks or freaks you really are gonna have to up your game and give a lil more. There girls are here but mostly looking and lurcking cause many of them could be having these same convos with clients and getting paid for it.

Albeit we are sexual beings and this forum is attached to a porn site does that mean that that is all there is to you all. My god then the level of discussion even when talking about sex girls aren't always flattered cause you are lusting over them and want to fuck them, especially when a girl hears it 500+ times a day from men all over the world.

My best advice and I really mean this in the nicest way is to upgrade in 2009 or lower your standards cause you will get no luck with any tgirl with any amount of self respect or love for herself.

love you

Chanel

[Ms Remy M]

Yes lawd, let them know gal!! :D

This is a porn forum, so talk about what you like about these gals. Keep in mind some of our models do come here too, and when you speak to them some proper decorum should be used, if you want any chance of standing out in their eyes. Treating the models like nothing other than a sex object is liable to get you treated as nothing more than a 'trick'. Think of it like this, if you were talking to one of our models that you ran into at the mall would you say "Yo, I want to fuck right now" or would you put your 'game' face on and come with some smooth lines and finesse your way in?

On second thought, don't answer that LOL you pack of dogs you. j/k ;)

[MrF]

Well, it is a porn forum, and then it's also Christmas -- so I guess a lot of guys are slowing down on the sexy stuff, focusing on family, and putting on their Santa Claus suit. Which is what I plan to do tonight. I believe in Santa !! :D

I already gave my two TG friends their little present and wished them well. Maybe I'm a "trick", by some people's estimate, but I want to be kind and thoughtful to the people in my life. (I can't say that I'm completely successful, though.)

FYI, there are some in-depth conversations over at www.tgirltalk.com, a site which Seanchai also owns. It might be just what the Boredom Doctor ordered.

[MrKnockOut]

no disrespect but if you dumb ass dudes think any girl worth her weight in MAC makeup will actually consider getting to know any dude on here personally, i have a mountain in florida i want to sell you.
the majority of the girls who participate on this board are about those coins, paper, deneiro, moolah, guap...
secondly, hardly anyone particpates on this board...i mean, some dude will post 3 partially nude photos of some girl and we'll get like 4 or 5 oooh's and ahhh's but that's about it. i'd like to see dudes start talking about their experiences with chicks, share knowledge (not distribute lies, etc.) and build...

[Ms Remy M]

Well, it is a porn forum, and then it's also Christmas -- so I guess a lot of guys are slowing down on the sexy stuff, focusing on family, and putting on their Santa Claus suit. Which is what I plan to do tonight. I believe in Santa !! :D

I already gave my two TG friends their little present and wished them well. Maybe I'm a "trick", by some people's estimate, but I want to be kind and thoughtful to the people in my life. (I can't say that I'm completely successful, though.)

FYI, there are some in-depth conversations over at www.tgirltalk.com, a site which Seanchai also owns. It might be just what the Boredom Doctor ordered.

Doesn't sound like your a 'trick' at all then. I was mainly referring to how guys in the past complain about the 'girls' only being after the money. Not knocking anyone at all. Tricking for a lot of guys has it's benefits, in the end your paying regardless, either str8 (sorry TvSurfer) up 'cash' or time, energy, and regular relationship 'gifts'. I don't knock a dude for wanting to skip the potential drama and get the nut off. What I'm really talking about is how we approach them. We all deserve the same level of respect regardless of the profession.

[MrKnockOut]

i dig what your saying. but where i'm from you have to give respect to get respect. most of these girls will look at these dudes as "trade", they don't see men they see cable bill, car note, rent, new shoes, hotel room, e pill, weed, etc. not saying this is true about all the girls who post on here, but i would bet my left pinky toe the majority saw it this way if they were honest.

[TGirls4Me]

I don't know if its the change of seasons or what. But if you intend to have girls be here interact and think of you as more than tricks or freaks you really are gonna have to up your game and give a lil more. There girls are here but mostly looking and lurcking cause many of them could be having these same convos with clients and getting paid for it.

Albeit we are sexual beings and this forum is attached to a porn site does that mean that that is all there is to you all. My god then the level of discussion even when talking about sex girls aren't always flattered cause you are lusting over them and want to fuck them, especially when a girl hears it 500+ times a day from men all over the world.

My best advice and I really mean this in the nicest way is to upgrade in 2009 or lower your standards cause you will get no luck with any tgirl with any amount of self respect or love for herself.

love you

Chanel

Please Chanel,

With you being the exception there has not been another girl willing, or respectful enough, to answer questions, give suggestions (such as yours above) or be honest about themselves in their interviews. Frankly the girls here portray exactly what it is we men fantasize about. And, I am willing to bet, that the only real interaction the majority of members have had with TGirls has been as "tricks" or "dates" (and we all know how that always turns out).

This is not the forum for meaningful social interaction between men whom love, adore and honestly appreciate TGirls nor the place for the girls to be lurking for them. If the girls are lurking here then it would be my educated guess that they (present company an exception as stated above) aren't looking for anyone other than the "trick" or "date".

There are forums for open and honest talk (my favorite being TGirlTalk) where the men and women can have open discussions about experiences and relationships yet even at those sites the overall interaction with TGirls is minimal because the girls do not participate. There are one or two or three regulars on the site and those are the only opinions or insights we get. Then there is the Trans forum on Craigs List where pretty much the only participants are a few people that claim to be TGirls but are such men haters you can't get an honest or respectful answer to honest and respectful questions.

I still believe that the problem lies in that many of the girls and guys are so jaded that the majority of girls see men as "dates" (or sugar daddies) and the men see the girls as "escorts" while secretly hoping they'll find one that won't charge them. And please don't think me naive. I have been in a nine year monogamous relationship with a Black TGirl that traveled and entered the Pageants across the States and I have seen the same behavior time and again. Suddenly finding myself single again (Sara was a victim of a hit and run driver -Please no sympathies as I only mention it as a reference) I truely have realized just how fortunate I was in finding a TGirl that honestly wanted a LTR, just, I'm sure, as it is difficult to find a man that's comfortable enough to be in an open and committed relationship with a TGirl.

I guess with all that said my dear Chanel, the point I'm trying to make is that this site is where many of us go to have a glimpse of our fantasies (which may or may not include a personal relationship deeper than just a sexual encounter). Those of us that want, and are ready, for this type of relationship know we need to look elsewhere. Please, give us some credit.

With respect, love and admiration Chanel, I wish you and yours, as well as all who read this, the best of times these holidays and a grand New Year.

Clinton.

[sticky]

no disrespect but if you dumb ass dudes think any girl worth her weight in MAC makeup will actually consider getting to know any dude on here personally, i have a mountain in florida i want to sell you.
the majority of the girls who participate on this board are about those coins, paper, deneiro, moolah, guap...
secondly, hardly anyone particpates on this board...i mean, some dude will post 3 partially nude photos of some girl and we'll get like 4 or 5 oooh's and ahhh's but that's about it. i'd like to see dudes start talking about their experiences with chicks, share knowledge (not distribute lies, etc.) and build...

^ exactly

[Ms Remy M]

i dig what your saying. but where i'm from you have to give respect to get respect. most of these girls will look at these dudes as "trade", they don't see men they see cable bill, car note, rent, new shoes, hotel room, e pill, weed, etc. not saying this is true about all the girls who post on here, but i would bet my left pinky toe the majority saw it this way if they were honest.

This is true, some of the models are just looking for the next dollar, I'm not going to knock the hussle as some guys are also just looking for the next nut. Just the manner in which we go about it is what matters. Like you said respect is due where it's given, but how many question have been asked of these models that weren't of the sexual variety? I know my gal sweet&seductive, isn't really into the escorting game and would like a real boyfriend. This itieration of the BTG Forum is new to most of the models and they are just starting to trickle in but hopefully they will start making a bigger presence known.

I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about all the earthly pleasures that brought us to this site in the first place, that's what it's for. That does not mean we shouldn't type in a grammatically correct manner :D or hold conversations of more substance.

[TSSexyChanel]

So many girls have gone thru being objectified to the point that many can't come out of hoe mode to have normal convos so I completely feel you. On the flip side so many men have been looked at and treated as walking ATM's for so long they cant come out of trick mode. When I chastize its really cause I think people don't realize the stuff they are doing. I have visted many forums on as a whole whats here is a whole lot better than whats available I have not visited that tgirl talk but Imma check it out. I myself had to learn to think before I act or speak. We go thru life so much just going thru the motions not really knowing why we are doing what we are doing. Change comes about not by complaining about it but doing something about it and the change should be personal first before looking outside oneself. Most people spend their life saying what others need to be doing instead of doing the personal work to enrich thier own life. No one here or anywhere else bothers me really cause my life in in tact so I can walk away from the stuff that don't matter like who thinks I am pretty or who wants to fuck me or if I get this award or that one. I only come here to share so much of myself with all you men so that you can get an understanding of the transexual mind and thinking. Maybe it can help you in your personal interactions. I guess I will be harder on you all cause I dont see the men here at lost causes as are most men in my eyes that troll the net.

The girls are no different I took think its tacky and puts the wrong message out when men comment to you or compliment you and you can't speak or give a fake ty, only to turn around you are on "tour" to come post about that. The person that I am I wouldnt be so willing to give my 200 plus dollars up I dont care how fine or hung she is to go see her if I can only get words from you when you need whats in my wallet. For far too long especially amoung black men and black transexuals there has been a riff and a level of disrespect that I think we need to heal and move past. Like many of the lying men that talk about what they want from me and how they gonna meet thinking I am one of those girls that live off of compliments or my chest gets puffed out cause you wanna fuck me. My esteem doesnt come from who wants to sleep with me I wake up with it. Alot of girls don't have that. Some of the most beautiful girls have the lowest self esteem and value for themselves. I don't care how much they scream Im beautiful they are trying to convince themselves of that more than anyone else. Beautiful people just are they don't have to announce it to the world. Constantly.

I am very long winded but in esence Yall aint the worst but yall can do better. Even in a strickly sexual situation or financial transaction you should want to be more than a trick. Girls should want to be more than a hoe. Man or transexual no one should give up so much of yourself no matter what you are doing that you cant look at yourself in the mirror behind it and feel ok with yourself. For the time no one here has offended me to the point of me leaving in fact the few that grated my nerves too much have actually left they weren't paying members anyway so who gives a fuck lol.

[Handandsom]

In fact i started my journey in this field a few years ago. I never did any research other than looking at a few pics and thinking. I'm going to try that. I've always was an ass lover. Didn't have any idea it was to the level that its at today. (My, have i changed) But Sexy Chan you make some sense. I've only been with a handfull of girls only cause I really have a problem with paying for equal pleasure (which is another topic). But once in fact I do donate to the sex-ed fund my mind frame becomes business like. So the relationship seems to only last about 30min the most and it starts from the time you call till the time you make the exchange of funds. Of course this is my opinion. But their seems to be different personalities that come with each girl. You, Sexy Chan... come with your personality and the others come with theres' but I personally think we should all be upfront with it.

[DirtySouth]

I don't know if its the change of seasons or what. But if you intend to have girls be here interact and think of you as more than tricks or freaks you really are gonna have to up your game and give a lil more. There girls are here but mostly looking and lurcking cause many of them could be having these same convos with clients and getting paid for it.

Albeit we are sexual beings and this forum is attached to a porn site does that mean that that is all there is to you all. My god then the level of discussion even when talking about sex girls aren't always flattered cause you are lusting over them and want to fuck them, especially when a girl hears it 500+ times a day from men all over the world.

My best advice and I really mean this in the nicest way is to upgrade in 2009 or lower your standards cause you will get no luck with any tgirl with any amount of self respect or love for herself.

love you

Chanel

Ugh, this is porn as you said. There are other forums out there for the guys to talk about non-sexual subjects. Your opinion is well stated but, NOBODY should be coached into talking about anything other than what they desire to talk about. This IS the place for us to be tricks, freaks and to express our sexual desires. We all have our normal, off-line lives to do otherwise.

Most of us, including you, are in the sex industry, fans and/or were brought here due to sex. Why should anyone "step it up". Lets keep it real, and I mean no disrespect by this....im just speaking my mind, anyone can have most of the t-girls they desire if they come correct with the $$$ and not a thing more. I don't think anyone on here is looking to date or find their next tgirl relationship on this particular forum. We have great places like Hung Angels, U R not alone, for outlets like that if we choose so.

Guys, gals and members. Feel free to be yourself and talk about what you want to talk about on here.

[DirtySouth]

no disrespect but if you dumb ass dudes think any girl worth her weight in MAC makeup will actually consider getting to know any dude on here personally, i have a mountain in florida i want to sell you.
the majority of the girls who participate on this board are about those coins, paper, deneiro, moolah, guap...
secondly, hardly anyone particpates on this board...i mean, some dude will post 3 partially nude photos of some girl and we'll get like 4 or 5 oooh's and ahhh's but that's about it. i'd like to see dudes start talking about their experiences with chicks, share knowledge (not distribute lies, etc.) and build...

Amen brutha.

On the second half...You mustve just signed up. We've been talking about a lot more than what chick looks good or not for months now. Look through the archives.

[iketurner]

TS Chanel we are tricks I do agree. real rap this lifestyle is nocturnal we hunt at night for the prey on the stroll, eros craigslist etc. We do this and pay for this service because we as men want our cake and eat it too. 80%/20% rule applies here 80% of the men here, members of btg, strokers etc live two lives. The 80%, freak off with ts and normal women. 20% may support this lifestyle from dawn to dusk. The 80% only deal with this lifestyle from dusk to dawn.

I pose a question to my fellow tricks. Real rap when is the day you bring your ts friend to christmas dinner wit Grandma. Talk about "guess who is coming to dinner". The 80% will no and the 20% will be yes/maybe.

I am a trick to ts but I pay for a service.
1) I pay to freak off wit TS.
2) I pay them to leave
3) I pay them to keep quiet especially in public.

In short, to maintain that seperate lifestyle that service fee will be necessarry.

PS

TS Chanel Do you agree yaw need the money? to maintain that image it cost twice as much for natural born male to look as good as normal woman. Think about it clothes, larger shoes, implants, hormones, nice clean apt/house for your tricks. All this is needed to command the higher price. How many time have you said to yourself these skank ts are fuckin the market up turnin $50 tricks. We ain't dum if you fine, groomed well, functional and have a discreet place where we can freak you can have client/trick for a long time and charge more. FYI, we are happy wit dat.

[Handandsom]

Not sure i'd be happy wit the "more", part. Big Pimpin:cool:

[DirtySouth]

TS Chanel we are tricks I do agree. real rap this lifestyle is nocturnal we hunt at night for the prey on the stroll, eros craigslist etc. We do this and pay for this service because we as men want our cake and eat it too. 80%/20% rule applies here 80% of the men here, members of btg, strokers etc live two lives. The 80%, freak off with ts and normal women. 20% may support this lifestyle from dawn to dusk. The 80% only deal with this lifestyle from dusk to dawn.

I pose a question to my fellow tricks. Real rap when is the day you bring your ts friend to christmas dinner wit Grandma. Talk about "guess who is coming to dinner". The 80% will no and the 20% will be yes/maybe.

I am a trick to ts but I pay for a service.
1) I pay to freak off wit TS.
2) I pay them to leave
3) I pay them to keep quiet especially in public.

In short, to maintain that seperate lifestyle that service fee will be necessarry.

PS

TS Chanel Do you agree yaw need the money? to maintain that image it cost twice as much for natural born male to look as good as normal woman. Think about it clothes, larger shoes, implants, hormones, nice clean apt/house for your tricks. All this is needed to command the higher price. How many time have you said to yourself these skank ts are fuckin the market up turnin $50 tricks. We ain't dum if you fine, groomed well, functional and have a discreet place where we can freak you can have client/trick for a long time and charge more. FYI, we are happy wit dat.

Welcome to the forum my intelligent brother. Well said.

[iketurner]

Welcome to the forum my intelligent brother. Well said.

thanks dirty;

Keep up the good work...love the new sets of Mrs. Porsche.

[DirtySouth]

thanks dirty;

Keep up the good work...love the new sets of Mrs. Porsche.

Thank you! Dont forget to vote for her for BTG of the year. Send your emails in!

[TSSexyChanel]

TS Chanel we are tricks I do agree. real rap this lifestyle is nocturnal we hunt at night for the prey on the stroll, eros craigslist etc. We do this and pay for this service because we as men want our cake and eat it too. 80%/20% rule applies here 80% of the men here, members of btg, strokers etc live two lives. The 80%, freak off with ts and normal women. 20% may support this lifestyle from dawn to dusk. The 80% only deal with this lifestyle from dusk to dawn.

I pose a question to my fellow tricks. Real rap when is the day you bring your ts friend to christmas dinner wit Grandma. Talk about "guess who is coming to dinner". The 80% will no and the 20% will be yes/maybe.

I am a trick to ts but I pay for a service.
1) I pay to freak off wit TS.
2) I pay them to leave
3) I pay them to keep quiet especially in public.

In short, to maintain that seperate lifestyle that service fee will be necessarry.

PS

TS Chanel Do you agree yaw need the money? to maintain that image it cost twice as much for natural born male to look as good as normal woman. Think about it clothes, larger shoes, implants, hormones, nice clean apt/house for your tricks. All this is needed to command the higher price. How many time have you said to yourself these skank ts are fuckin the market up turnin $50 tricks. We ain't dum if you fine, groomed well, functional and have a discreet place where we can freak you can have client/trick for a long time and charge more. FYI, we are happy wit dat.

I agree most girls need money the majority of girls need money the majority of my income is from my cams and my site and movie downloads. I see very few men due to the fact the way escorting has changed. The way most girls work on line is like virtual prostitution. You are so right any girl that looks like something has to invest in herself. I am in no way knocking the Escorting game. Forget you not I am old school fair exchange is no robbery. I still see a few select men but those are only the ones that can stimulate my intellect as much as my body. Any one can suck me off and make me cum even fewer can suck me off and give me that mind fuck at the same time that will make me NUT. 80% of real sex happens in the mind so when that is achieved with the body then you can have the most intense feelings. I think a few of you missed the jist of the whole post but I can be hard to understand at times. Don't think I wasn't saying I wanna sit in here and discuss political or social views. I am just saying remember you got girls here too you say you want to interact with you. If I wasn't so pushy and opinionated yall probably wouldnt see a post from me either. I was just saying instead of talking about each other we can talk to each other. I have no problem with exchanges of sex for money at all cause I still do it and even if i didn't I wouldnt be a hypocrit. And frankly whether putting the money on the dresser for guaranteed sex or taking a girl out on a date having dinner a movie and dancing and hoping she give you some. And all women barter gentic or transexual. Married men are the biggest clients you have to pay and she could never put out again. LOL

Trust me don't want yall to stop being nasty at all let's not forget I get to sit online all day cause someone wants to see that shit. I thnk yall should step your game up in that area too and wank off more to porn. LMAO

[TSSexyChanel]

Ugh, this is porn as you said. There are other forums out there for the guys to talk about non-sexual subjects. Your opinion is well stated but, NOBODY should be coached into talking about anything other than what they desire to talk about. This IS the place for us to be tricks, freaks and to express our sexual desires. We all have our normal, off-line lives to do otherwise.

Most of us, including you, are in the sex industry, fans and/or were brought here due to sex. Why should anyone "step it up". Lets keep it real, and I mean no disrespect by this....im just speaking my mind, anyone can have most of the t-girls they desire if they come correct with the $$$ and not a thing more. I don't think anyone on here is looking to date or find their next tgirl relationship on this particular forum. We have great places like Hung Angels, U R not alone, for outlets like that if we choose so.

Guys, gals and members. Feel free to be yourself and talk about what you want to talk about on here.


We on the same page Dirty I think I was unclear in my post. I don't have an over exaggerated opinion of myself cause I can sit in the comfort of my home that I am not a sex worker. I am selling myself daily even in my sleep. I am a reallist especially about things concerning myself. But being with me cash might get you in the door but cash and the proper attitude will get you The Experience.
;)

[DirtySouth]

We on the same page Dirty I think I was unclear in my post. I don't have an over exaggerated opinion of myself cause I can sit in the comfort of my home that I am not a sex worker. I am selling myself daily even in my sleep. I am a reallist especially about things concerning myself. But being with me cash might get you in the door but cash and the proper attitude will get you The Experience.
;)

Alrighty then.

[n3gomx]

this is a porn site! where models are photog and video in the nude and sometimes in the act of fucking(no disrespect) so what kind of convo do u expect!! 99% of the guys are here cause they have a tgirl fetish!! for all the tgirls viewing the site "this is a porn site,pics,videos,discussion and all news pertaining to black transsexual pornography" hey i luv this site because of the quality and vol. of models and this is the 1# site in the world for blacktgirl porn! and with the utmost respect to all the models,members and whoever i luv everything about tgirls! hey it gets me going lol!!! so ts chanel except it for whats it worth and no disrespect!!! PEACE!

[TSSexyChanel]

this is a porn site! where models are photog and video in the nude and sometimes in the act of fucking(no disrespect) so what kind of convo do u expect!! 99% of the guys are here cause they have a tgirl fetish!! for all the tgirls viewing the site "this is a porn site,pics,videos,discussion and all news pertaining to black transsexual pornography" hey i luv this site because of the quality and vol. of models and this is the 1# site in the world for blacktgirl porn! and with the utmost respect to all the models,members and whoever i luv everything about tgirls! hey it gets me going lol!!! so ts chanel except it for whats it worth and no disrespect!!! PEACE!

Ummm I don't expect anything. I understand the complete fetish thing which is why I have a MONEY fetish and I felt nothing but disrespect in that reply. I don't come to net looking for anything everything I need I get in my real life and at home. I was invited to this forum and many times I think a very bad idea on the part of those who asked me to come here and interact. I know that you and many other men dont see us as nothing more than a fetish we arent human to you and that is quite ok because I see many of you the same way. You may be used to speaking with a different caliber of girl on the net but remember I don't just play a Domme on the net for profit I am a lifestyle Mistress. You don't have to agree with everything I say but you need to know how to convey your point to me in a way that is to my liking. There is always the option of not reading anything I post. No one is sitting there with a gun to your head force feeding you my opinions. There are way more threads discussing what you say the purpose of this forum why even say anything to me go look at a dick or discuss the latest shoot. If I wanted to be in a forum for conflict I would still be on Hung Angels. When I post here or anywhere I post knowing that my opinions are not law or fact and are only valid to me and I choose my words very careful and read and re read before I hit submit so if anyting I post causes you to have that much of a rise its your issue not mine cause you have yet to see nasty from me I have to many other things that to do in my life than insult nameless faceless freaks when men come to me and get that in life and pay for the privelge. So when you deal with TS Chanel take your own advice boo boo "Accept it for what its worth with no disrespect."

When you tell people the truth about a situation or themselves there is nothing wrong with that but if you have addendum your statement with I mean no harm or No disrespect you know yourself it can mean the very thing they are trying to say it doesn't.

And I mean that in the nicest way, you get my drift?

[TGirls4Me]

Ummm I don't expect anything. I understand the complete fetish thing which is why I have a MONEY fetish and I felt nothing but disrespect in that reply. I don't come to net looking for anything everything I need I get in my real life and at home. I was invited to this forum and many times I think a very bad idea on the part of those who asked me to come here and interact. I know that you and many other men dont see us as nothing more than a fetish we arent human to you and that is quite ok because I see many of you the same way. You may be used to speaking with a different caliber of girl on the net but remember I don't just play a Domme on the net for profit I am a lifestyle Mistress. You don't have to agree with everything I say but you need to know how to convey your point to me in a way that is to my liking. There is always the option of not reading anything I post. No one is sitting there with a gun to your head force feeding you my opinions. There are way more threads discussing what you say the purpose of this forum why even say anything to me go look at a dick or discuss the latest shoot. If I wanted to be in a forum for conflict I would still be on Hung Angels. When I post here or anywhere I post knowing that my opinions are not law or fact and are only valid to me and I choose my words very careful and read and re read before I hit submit so if anyting I post causes you to have that much of a rise its your issue not mine cause you have yet to see nasty from me I have to many other things that to do in my life than insult nameless faceless freaks when men come to me and get that in life and pay for the privelge. So when you deal with TS Chanel take your own advice boo boo "Accept it for what its worth with no disrespect."

When you tell people the truth about a situation or themselves there is nothing wrong with that but if you have addendum your statement with I mean no harm or No disrespect you know yourself it can mean the very thing they are trying to say it doesn't.

And I mean that in the nicest way, you get my drift?

Touche TS Chanel!

I think it was a great idea for you to be invited and I'm grateful you're here.

May the New Year bless you beyond your hopes and desires.

[thepiedpiper]

Perhaps not the way you intended but Chanel you provoked some good responses from people so I'd say people been stepping up their game in the forum . But thats why I like you always inciting good conversation in the forum :) so lets make sure we keep it interesting in the forum so Chanel will stay an active member lol.