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My thing is like..i get that, i see that and i accept it, but it's asking me a little too much to deal with it. I dont like having to be patient to explain what is so evident. I dont like having to take a back seat to his personal reservations. And across the board black men never ask me on a date, but rather a night of pleasure. lol.
BUt lets not make this thread about my lack of good experiences wth black men. lol.
Let's try & get some perspective here! People of African descent have been the victims of brutality even BEFORE we bought to the Americas 400 yrs ago(middle passages). America was founded through violence (slavery, genocide of Native Americans) and remains a violent society. THAT legacy is on display in that senseless attack in McDonalds, despite the racial dynamic being reversed. Another thing on display in this video is sheer ignorance. The failure of the education system & society at large to educate people properly. How can our kids be tolerant if they don't know the meaning of the word?! The two teens will pay for their crime. One is already in custody. But they're also guilty of being MIS-educated.
Nigga...what? You are everywhere with this b.s. You're one of those Uncle Tom negroes that use the "my only concern is my race" crap because you refuse to call out anybody other than Black people...just like Mr. Cosby who you seem so infatuated with. That's a cop out for people too scared to call out anybody else.
And this "ignorant nigga" phenomenon is a RECENT development. Before 1965 there were more white men in jail than black men. That is a fact that can be checked. There are many things that led to this predicament. Too many to name.
When you say things such as "now i have to explain these people's actions", well just who in the fuck are you going to explain them to? Black people? And for someone who's so concerned with the black state of the union, you KEEP mentioning other races in relation to us! Who gives a fuck if Asians tell their kids to stay away from Black folks? And they do that because of the images they see, because you'd be hard pressed to find a positive image of Black folks in the media. They're either doing ignorant shit or coon shit for the most part.
And you keep missing the point...nobody ordained you to explain black folks to the masses! No one gives a damn about your explanation. You're not the next incarnation of MLK. Nigga give that shit a rest! Why are niggas like you so worried about EXPLAINING? And explaining to WHOM?
You already know why negroes don't take crime to white folks. Just like you, they're scared of them. That's why they shin and grin and buck dance in their faces like it's 1923. And you mean to tell me, that's it's 2011, and you wondering why niggas are more likely to be targeted for crimes? Are you serious man? And no, it's not because of sagging pants and rims, because that's how niggas like you think.
And not once did I mention something from 400 years ago. There are measures that have been put in place and things that have occurred since. How about you read a book? Oh, and because you're probably one of those negroes that won't believe anything unless it's a white person telling you, the books i'm referring to were written by white authors. Distinguished white men with multiple degrees and high social standing, if that helps. I can suggest them if you want, but you'd rather choose to live behind blinders. Nigga it goes beyond slavery, but just like the rest of you sucking up negroes, you believe any and everything they tell you to believe. Like niggas can just break centuries worth of social conditioning while lacking a true identity and prosper in the span of 40 years.
And stop with the nonsense. You're throwing in shit trying to seem intelligent and you're making yourself look like a dumb ass. That light skinned shit has nothing to do with THIS argument. That was just dumb. Most of the shit you said was dumb. And we see the only person thats co-signing your bullshit too.
Keep buck dancing, nigga. Go nigga, go nigga, go nigga, GO!
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Originally Posted by vidman
"QUOTE=da_kid;29905]Nigga...what? You are everywhere with this b.s. You're one of those Uncle Tom negroes that use the "my only concern is my race" crap because you refuse to call out anybody other than Black people...just like Mr. Cosby who you seem so infatuated with. That's a cop out for people too scared to call out anybody else."
So you call out someone. Since you have someone in mind, you go ahead and point someone out. Calling out? Homie, I'm only responsible for myself. If you understood that, then you wouldn't be trying to blame anyone else for your loser life either. Take responsibility and stop holding everyone else accountable for your failures. Go out and find a way to make your own 20 bucks instead of prowling around waiting for people who are weak enough to steal it from.
"And this "ignorant nigga" phenomenon is a RECENT development. Before 1965 there were more white men in jail than black men. That is a fact that can be checked. There are many things that led to this predicament. Too many to name."
Too many to name? Dude, I got all day. I would like to hear. So what happened that let blacks to being the largest incarcarated group of people in jail in only 40 years time? Seems to me that you're typing words but you aren't saying anything. So this 2nd paragraph was an empty one.....meaningless!!
"When you say things such as "now i have to explain these people's actions", well just who in the fuck are you going to explain them to? Black people? And for someone who's so concerned with the black state of the union, you KEEP mentioning other races in relation to us! Who gives a fuck if Asians tell their kids to stay away from Black folks? And they do that because of the images they see, because you'd be hard pressed to find a positive image of Black folks in the media. They're either doing ignorant shit or coon shit for the most part."
So now you're supporting my point of view? Huh? Homie, this is what I was just explaining in my post! You're an idiot!!! My point is......if we wouldn't get in front of the camera and be coons and do ignorant shit, then there would be no reason to call us coons and ignorant. Duh!!!
"And you keep missing the point...nobody ordained you to explain black folks to the masses! No one gives a damn about your explanation. You're not the next incarnation of MLK. Nigga give that shit a rest! Why are niggas like you so worried about EXPLAINING? And explaining to WHOM?"
So you're saying that MLK was a sellout too? I'm not sure where you're going with this, again, empty statement. I don't have to be ordainded to do anything. I don't have to get permission from you or anyone else to express my discontentment with the current state of affairs.
"You already know why negroes don't take crime to white folks. Just like you, they're scared of them. That's why they shin and grin and buck dance in their faces like it's 1923. And you mean to tell me, that's it's 2011, and you wondering why niggas are more likely to be targeted for crimes? Are you serious man? And no, it's not because of sagging pants and rims, because that's how niggas like you think."
Niggas like me think? Come on man. I didn't tell that cop to go and beat a black man down. I had nothing to do with the phenomenon that is occuring in our community. So why is that blacks show so much more respect and fear to another race as opposed to their own. Fool, I live with you everday! I speak to you everyday! I interact with you everyday! Why do I have to also watch my back around you!!!! Dumb ass, you don't get it do you? Apparently not.
"And not once did I mention something from 400 years ago. There are measures that have been put in place and things that have occurred since. How about you read a book? Oh, and because you're probably one of those negroes that won't believe anything unless it's a white person telling you, the books i'm referring to were written by white authors. Distinguished white men with multiple degrees and high social standing, if that helps. I can suggest them if you want, but you'd rather choose to live behind blinders. Nigga it goes beyond slavery, but just like the rest of you sucking up negroes, you believe any and everything they tell you to believe. Like niggas can just break centuries worth of social conditioning while lacking a true identity and prosper in the span of 40 years."
Go ahead, be my guest, suggest me some authors if you really do know some. I bet I will be waiting for a long time for this response. 40 years??? What in the hell are you talking about....40 years!!! What happened 40 years ago. Let's see that puts us right around 1970ish? What happened in the 70s? Man, you're totally wack! You haven't made one valid point the only thing you're letting come out of your mouth is emptyness. You haven't validated or proven one single point in your post. You keep saying things like...."I can suggest some if you want." or "There are too many to name at this time." The reason your dumb ass won't expound on anything is because you are totally clueless and you are one of those ignorant kats that sit around blaming everyone else for your failures. Share with me some accomplishments of your life. What's your educational background? What kind of job do you have? Have you any post-baccalureate education, or maybe Post Graduate education? Have you ever been employed by corporate America? LEt me here some of your accomplishments in life. Well let me ask you this......Have you ever been to jail? I'll bet you have.
"And stop with the nonsense. You're throwing in shit trying to seem intelligent and you're making yourself look like a dumb ass. That light skinned shit has nothing to do with THIS argument. That was just dumb. Most of the shit you said was dumb. And we see the only person thats co-signing your bullshit too."
My brotha, I don't have to make it seem like anything. Many many people, whether from this site or in my day-to-day can definitely vouch for me. I have accomplishments and accolades that I would be more than happy to share with you. I mentor younger and older unaccomplished blacks EVERYDAY to aspire to be successful. Not successful to the white man's standards, but successful to their own. I have got so many young black men and women (bio and transgendered) jobs in the past 5 years of my life. What have you done for your community besides feed them the bullshit that you're feeding me. No one's entitled to anything chump!!! We all have to put in work to acheive and accomplish! And I'm not going to let a marred past stop me from accomplishing things in life that I want to accomplish. Tell me what generational wealth is and have you began to address that issue yet?
"Keep buck dancing, nigga. Go nigga, go nigga, go nigga, GO!"
....and that's exactly what other races see when your bighead ass pops up on TV in handcuffs. Silly coon!!
I'm gonna say it's policy that most establishments of that sort don't interfere and call the cops instead. Its a liability against the company. If they injure someone during the scuffle, the company can get sued. If you look at a similar vid, the manager got jumped when she tried to break up a fight and make everyone leave. You cant knock anyone for not stopping a fight and its not about courage. People carry blades and guns, MALE AND FEMALE, and if anything, the vid helped show how violent and ruthless some people can be. Best thing for the average person to do is call the police. Someone just happened to be recording and whether its for the wrong or right reason, it only helped her case. Thats just IMO. I'm not speaking for me personally, but i know most people arent capable of stepping into that situation and having it end peacefully.
Yeah.
I mean, i understand where everyone's comming from with "omg, they should have done soemthing", but it might have been a bad idea to try to stop them. Girl, i know i wouldn't get involved, but i sure as hell would have called the police.
I hope the poor ts girly is ok..... Oh, wait a second!... We're not talking about her and her seizure anymore are we?...Quote:
Originally Posted by da_kid
We're having a history lesson and talking about 400 years ago and stuff, right?... Cool, just so long as we're on the same page...
I mean, naturally, the talk has shifted from a vulnerable human being beaten to within one inch of her life to the phenonomen of trans-Atlantic Slavery (as opposed to all the numerous other types of enslavement that occured long before pale-skins set foot in Africa and the East, and still occurs today throughout large parts of these same areas... we don't hear too much about THAT though do we?... I wonder why?)
Clearly, this forum/topic, is being used to shoe-horn in certain peoples dogma and ideology.....
Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em....
According to the "1999 Index of Leading Cultural Indicators", African-Americans, though only 13% of the poulation, were responsible for 42% of violent crimes.
According to William Wilbanks's "Frequency and Nature of Interracial Crimes" (1990) white criminals "chose" black victims in 3% of violent crimes, whereas black criminals chose white victims 50% of the time. When the crime was "rape", white criminals chose black victims less than 1% of the time, whereas black criminals chose white victims in 28% of these assaults. Where the crime was robbery, white criminals chose black victims 2% of the time, while black criminals chose white victims 73% of the time.
Ten years after William Wilbanks's study, in 1999, The Washington Post published the findings of a study on "interracial crime" by The New Century Foundation, which relied on the 1994 Justice Department statistics... It observed the following:
In 1994 90% of interracial crime was commited by black criminals
Yet, at this time, African-Americans were only 12% of the population... Thus, according to the figures, in cases of interracial crime it was fifty (50) times more likely that the criminal/aggressor was African-American.
When it came to "gang" rape and "gang" assaults, considering their proportion to the population, African-Americans were more than one hundred (100) times more likely to be the criminal/aggressor/predator.
In Robert Stacey McCain's study on "Hate Crime" (1999) he observed that where the assualt was tried specifically as a "hate crime", African-Americans were twice as likely to be the assailant as the victim.
I have so far not given any opinions about these recorded figures, but about the above "hate crimes" stat I cannot hold back; considering that an African-American assailant would have to practically CARVE the words "I HATE WHITEY" in the dying body of their victim for their crime to be recorded as a hate crime, it is astounding - is it not? - that someone who is categorized as "black" (the inverted commas are pertinent, at least in my world they are) is TWICE as likely to be the assailant.
I should point out that the New Century Fund is headed by a man called Jared Taylor, who most certainly has his OWN agenda going on, to put it mildly (not unlike leading "black" figures within the "Race Relations Industry/Business") HOWEVER, it should also be noted that the figures used and analysed by this organization are from The Justice Department.
This trend is repeated in England...
In 1995 a journalist called John Woods carried out a study of the Home Office's "Statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System". He observed that of all the "racially motivated" crimes in 1995, 143,000 were commited against "minorities", whereas 238,000 were commited against "whites". Again, by putting these figures in the context of population percentages, one is afforded an even truer perspective... Thus, since "ethnic minorities" comprised 6% of the English population in 1995 and yet produced 238,000 racially motivated assaults in that year, while the remaining 94% "white" population producaed 143,000, it can be concluded by these FIGURES that "racially motivated" assaults are 25 times more likey to be commited by "ethnic minorities" than by "whites".
It seems to me that criminals who are categorized as "black" (and who meekly submit to that categorization!) tend to "cherry-pick" their victims... i.e. they would rather pick on people who DO NOT remind them of their Mother, Father, Sisters and Brothers, Grand-Parents and Cousins etc.... On the other hand, "white" criminals and thugs tend to show no such strategic pickiness with their victims.... Or to put it another way: given the choice, a "white" criminal would pick on a "white" victim, whereas a "black" criminal would ALSO pick a "white" victim (or at least a "non-black" victim)
BUT, if I were you, I wouldn't believe any of these figures.... I've already described myself as a "blue-eyed-devil"!... Damn, I must be one of those pesky white folks that just wants to tell lies and trick you into feeling all bad about yourself, and rob you of your motivation and destiny, right?... So, for the love of your own self - which is ALWAYS the most important thing - go and check it out for youself.
Along your way you may or may not want to check the following books:
"SCAM" by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson
"The Head Negro in Charge Syndrome" by Norman Kelly
"Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell
"The End of Blackness" by Debra J. Dickerson
"Black Slaveowners" by Larry Koger
"Hating Whitey" by David Horowitz
"Stupid Black Men" by Larry Elder
"Not Out of Africa" by Mary Lefkowitz
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton LaVey
.................................................. .................This is how we are as a species... ALL of us... All shapes, sizes and colors.......
A vulnerable one of us (categorized as a "white" "TS" "girl") is severely beaten...
Our attention is drawn to it by means of an internet link, and a topic is started...
Within a few short moments, the topic has become a his-story lesson.
Have I added to this deluded phenonomen?
(You talked shit..... Now look at this shit lol)
Or have I held up a mirror so that those who obsess with history while the NOW keeps piling on tragedy after tragedy can see themselves as they are?
Oh, but about the poor girl......I hope she's fully recovered xx
SHAUN
On my bookshelf you can find Jewish, Christian and Islamic writings, sat next to Hindu, Bhuddist, Pagan and Satanic philosophies... I take and absorb and discard as I please.
It's not that I'm thinking out of the box....... It's just that I don't have/need my box anymore.... I would urge everyone to try it!... But, of course, it does mean you have to discard some of your packaging... Not just the packaging that "others" put on you, but most importantly the packaging that you embrace for yourself... It's a little cold at first... but then you get to like it.
You're absolutely right Shaun. This is supposed to be about the young lady who was beaten at a fast food restaurant. I think the reason why the topic branched off into "black history" is because the victim's assailants were black. We already face many challenges in this society, why add more fuel to a fire that rages out of control. Thank you for the stats. I surely hope "da kid" takes a look at those before he continues to make himself look foolish. Again, not throwing my people under the bus, but I realize that I have a choice to either steal it or buy it. I can either accept to walk the trodden path or tread my own path. I can either be the stereotype or denounce it. My choices have nothing to do with my ancestors and the so called "mechanisms that have been put in place" that keeps me from being a successful black man. Now on a lighter note......I appreciate your input and all Shaun, but please don't make me read or take part in anything that has Larry Elder's name written on it. I'll pass!! lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAUN
LOL Amen to that vidman... Nothing, I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G, trumps "individuality", least of all "group identity" where it is used - or rather, abused - as a camouflage to explain/exscuse poor choices and appaling behaviour...Quote:
Originally Posted by vidman
As for Larry Elder, lol, I hear you, but you know to absorb wisdom from someone you find repulsive is truly wise... he soes hit some good notes now and then you know lol
SHAUN x
well i see this is a tough topic for both parties short and simple
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