Mindless Ramblings of The Cool Ones

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Even the average person can fall into that state of mind in a do or die situation. You never know what to expect from a person once the rules no longer apply. Take away the laws for one day and see just how many people become murderers, rapists, and thieves. People you thought would never do such things, maybe even people you know and trust. These are the situations that truly define a person. And you can never know just who they are until they are in them.

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True enough, some people are just genuinely good spirited though. Not because of laws, but their moral compass, like 'Pig' in Lord of the Flies

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Even the average person can fall into that state of mind in a do or die situation. You never know what to expect from a person once the rules no longer apply. Take away the laws for one day and see just how many people become murderers, rapists, and thieves. People you thought would never do such things, maybe even people you know and trust. These are the situations that truly define a person. And you can never know just who they are until they are in them.

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There was a controversial research project conducted in either the late 70's or 80's where a group of students basically lived like this for a period of days. It was amazing to see the dramatic change in people. Lord of the flies indeed. I studied it in preparation for my masters dissertation/defense.

I've never seen Lord of The Flies but I believe Battle Royale was based on that concept. I can't say laws are the exact reason I haven't gone on a killing spree just yet ( Yeah... yet... ) but even knowing what kind of person I am now doesn't allow me to see what kind of person I would be in a world like that.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

I've never seen Lord of The Flies but I believe Battle Royale was based on that concept. I can't say laws are the exact reason I haven't gone on a killing spree just yet ( Yeah... yet... ) but even knowing what kind of person I am now doesn't allow me to see what kind of person I would be in a world like that.

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No you didn't just compare Lord of the Flies to Battle Royale. Let me say, I love Battle Royale and think it's a stupid awesome movie and was the first time I saw the girl whom would later play Lucy Lu's enforcer in Kill Bill. I would sooner compare Battle Royale to Running Man, before Lord of the Flies though.

Arbitrary rules can't truly define whether a person should live or die. Every life is precious, if it's not in self defense, I'm sorry but I just don't have the capacity to take someone's life. It just shouldn't be that easy, like in a video game or some other form of media. We aren't base animalistic creatures, we are human beings with higher functions and reasoning. Other wise you would just become the monster that you feared. We as humans, without our sentient prowess would have never survived as a species if we just rampaged around killing haphazardly. Even a tiger in a jungle kills only to feed or in self defense. There is always a balance to life. I'd go on further, but I'm finding it difficult not to delve into the more spiritual aspects of my reasoning, as I feel the conversation should stay in the realm of what we all know.

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Originally Posted by raheme

remy, meaning is very subjective. Its like currency. Its only useful if we both agree so. What I value as meaningful and what you value as meaningful can be worlds apart. Who's right & who's wrong?

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There are instances where I can see your point, like your example of currency. However; some things are just instinctively known. A baby crying out doesn't need to explain to you it's wants. You simply pick the baby up. Someone speaking a foreign language can wave hello and you wave back. Someone handing some food out to you is clearly trying to break bread. A person in a desert with parched and cracked lips, needs water. Someone sleeping in the rain, needs shelter etc.

The media has desensitized us to not care about our fellow person. Society in general and corporate america in particular has fostered a reward mentality in us. If we don't get something out of what we do, we don't do it. We go to work because we want the reward of being able to buy the materialistic things we desire. We go to war because we want to expand our domestic business in the foreign countries and export their local resources. We pay our tithe because we want the reward of going to heaven. We rape our own lands because we want the cheap access to resources. If you look back to the Native Americans and even today's tribal peoples, heck even the Amish, you can see the reverence for all things. Again, there needs to be a balance to life and I'd go so far to say that the world as a whole would be way better off if we all lived in smaller tribal communities, opposed to how our current society is. In summation, if my choice was to live for myself alone and not do anything for those around me, well life wouldn't be worth living at all. I've been on a operating table and have flat-lined before, I've realized there is 'more' to life than just living. I'm always hearing people talk about the materialistic things they want and I can understand it to a point, it helps us not think about the monotony of life, but call me simple because I'm happy being loved and having someone to love, I give what I have profusely. Ok, I realized I've gone a bit off subject again, so I'll end here lol

Still want those other conversations going, but also wanted to stay on the topic of Zombie Apocalypse. I was recently playing online with friends CoD Black Ops Zombie Mode, and I posited this question to them, based on the Walking Dead zombie apocalypse.

You are walking past a car, foraging, not in any imminent danger at the moment, but of course the potential for a zombie horde around the corner is always possible. In this deserted town, there lies a crying baby in the car, do you leave it (it's not yours) or do you pick the baby up and take it with you?

(I will post my answer I gave them, and perhaps some of theirs after a few responses are posted here. We had some wildly varying views, with one person saying he'd reenact the scene from Feast 2, which you are sleeping on if you are a horror movie fan.)

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

No you didn't just compare Lord of the Flies to Battle Royale. Let me say, I love Battle Royale and think it's a stupid awesome movie and was the first time I saw the girl whom would later play Lucy Lu's enforcer in Kill Bill. I would sooner compare Battle Royale to Running Man, before Lord of the Flies though.

Arbitrary rules can't truly define whether a person should live or die. Every life is precious, if it's not in self defense, I'm sorry but I just don't have the capacity to take someone's life. It just shouldn't be that easy, like in a video game or some other form of media. We aren't base animalistic creatures, we are human beings with higher functions and reasoning. Other wise you would just become the monster that you feared. We as humans, without our sentient prowess would have never survived as a species if we just rampaged around killing haphazardly. Even a tiger in a jungle kills only to feed or in self defense. There is always a balance to life. I'd go on further, but I'm finding it difficult not to delve into the more spiritual aspects of my reasoning, as I feel the conversation should stay in the realm of what we all know.

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I said that was the inspiration for the base concept... That's not a comparison. I didn't exactly care for that movie in any case. Preferred the comics much more.

Do you actually believe humans to be any better than the other animals on this planet? Honestly? You're talking about a species that seems to go out of it's way in an attempt to end itself and everything around it. People kill each other just by basis of being slightly different from one another, or even for little slips of paper with the faces of other dead people on it. Your talk of higher reasoning only serves to make them that much worse. Because all it means is that they're fully aware of what they're doing when they do it. Quite frankly humans are the worst pieces of shit on this entire planet. Lying, stealing and killing just for the hell of it. If humans were really as high as you'd like to believe the word genocide wouldn't even exist, because it would be a purely unthinkable concept. Yet several times through history it's come to pass.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

Still want those other conversations going, but also wanted to stay on the topic of Zombie Apocalypse. I was recently playing online with friends CoD Black Ops Zombie Mode, and I posited this question to them, based on the Walking Dead zombie apocalypse.

You are walking past a car, foraging, not in any imminent danger at the moment, but of course the potential for a zombie horde around the corner is always possible. In this deserted town, there lies a crying baby in the car, do you leave it (it's not yours) or do you pick the baby up and take it with you?

(I will post my answer I gave them, and perhaps some of theirs after a few responses are posted here. We had some wildly varying views, with one person saying he'd reenact the scene from Feast 2, which you are sleeping on if you are a horror movie fan.)

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I have no idea what Feast 2 is. But in any case I'd take the baby along with me. No sense in leaving it there and giving zombies another bit of food to survive off of.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

I have no idea what Feast 2 is. But in any case I'd take the baby along with me. No sense in leaving it there and giving zombies another bit of food to survive off of.

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The original Feast (not sure about the sequels) was a student project film executive produced and funded by Ben Affleck and company. It's a creature horror movie that harkens back to a time before slasher films became the norm. Buckets of blood, gore and awesome well crafted creatures with an ensemble cast. It went on to spawn two sequels.

Thanks for your input, do you think the zombies actually require the sustenance or would be just as fine with or without the baby snack?

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

The original Feast (not sure about the sequels) was a student project film executive produced and funded by Ben Affleck and company. It's a creature horror movie that harkens back to a time before slasher films became the norm. Buckets of blood, gore and awesome well crafted creatures with an ensemble cast. It went on to spawn two sequels.

Thanks for your input, do you think the zombies actually require the sustenance or would be just as fine with or without the baby snack?

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Well, if we're talking Walking Dead here then they do. As the zombies have been shown to decay to a point of being unable to move without eating. Even though they're still... undead... like... able to move... You get what I mean.

One thing I've come to know as a fact is that there is no such thing as a utopian society. Communist north korea is about as isolationist and single minded a country you can find...but the very leaders (and late ones) live for self at the expense of their people. Given long enough, capitalism and materialism erode even the steepest reverent mountains.

I think the key word here is choice. I can choose to hear the baby cry. I can choose to acknowledge the hello. I can choose to receive that meal and break bread. Its my choice if I so choose to. Likewise its my choice to care or not.

Choice is not instinctive, its nurtured.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

There are instances where I can see your point, like your example of currency. However; some things are just instinctively known. A baby crying out doesn't need to explain to you it's wants. You simply pick the baby up. Someone speaking a foreign language can wave hello and you wave back. Someone handing some food out to you is clearly trying to break bread. A person in a desert with parched and cracked lips, needs water. Someone sleeping in the rain, needs shelter etc.

The media has desensitized us to not care about our fellow person. Society in general and corporate america in particular has fostered a reward mentality in us. If we don't get something out of what we do, we don't do it. We go to work because we want the reward of being able to buy the materialistic things we desire. We go to war because we want to expand our domestic business in the foreign countries and export their local resources. We pay our tithe because we want the reward of going to heaven. We rape our own lands because we want the cheap access to resources. If you look back to the Native Americans and even today's tribal peoples, heck even the Amish, you can see the reverence for all things. Again, there needs to be a balance to life and I'd go so far to say that the world as a whole would be way better off if we all lived in smaller tribal communities, opposed to how our current society is. In summation, if my choice was to live for myself alone and not do anything for those around me, well life wouldn't be worth living at all. I've been on a operating table and have flat-lined before, I've realized there is 'more' to life than just living. I'm always hearing people talk about the materialistic things they want and I can understand it to a point, it helps us not think about the monotony of life, but call me simple because I'm happy being loved and having someone to love, I give what I have profusely. Ok, I realized I've gone a bit off subject again, so I'll end here lol

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

Still want those other conversations going, but also wanted to stay on the topic of Zombie Apocalypse. I was recently playing online with friends CoD Black Ops Zombie Mode, and I posited this question to them, based on the Walking Dead zombie apocalypse.

You are walking past a car, foraging, not in any imminent danger at the moment, but of course the potential for a zombie horde around the corner is always possible. In this deserted town, there lies a crying baby in the car, do you leave it (it's not yours) or do you pick the baby up and take it with you?

(I will post my answer I gave them, and perhaps some of theirs after a few responses are posted here. We had some wildly varying views, with one person saying he'd reenact the scene from Feast 2, which you are sleeping on if you are a horror movie fan.)

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The good raheme says of course id rescue the baby. The naive raheme says well, this is an apoclpye and food is short perhaps this baby is a trap to fish out prey (big meaty humans). The bad raheme says if I'm not able to provide for the child, if I'm struggling just to survive on my own, id probably have to mercy kill the child to save him/her from becoming a meal or dying a horrible death.

The only problem I have with this ideology is that we look at humans as if we are separate or beyond the scope of nature. Perhaps in all our humanly fuckedupedness, we are imperfectly perfect at doing what we were designed to do...reset life on planet earth and beyond. Ashed ground yields the most fertile soil...destroy and rebuild. That's the balance of nature. Maybe this is our manifest destiny.



[QUOTE=CosmicTraveler;41185]I said that was the inspiration for the base concept... That's not a comparison. I didn't exactly care for that movie in any case. Preferred the comics much more.

Do you actually believe humans to be any better than the other animals on this planet? Honestly? You're talking about a species that seems to go out of it's way in an attempt to end itself and everything around it. People kill each other just by basis of being slightly different from one another, or even for little slips of paper with the faces of other dead people on it. Your talk of higher reasoning only serves to make them that much worse. Because all it means is that they're fully aware of what they're doing when they do it. Quite frankly humans are the worst pieces of shit on this entire planet. Lying, stealing and killing just for the hell of it. If humans were really as high as you'd like to believe the word genocide wouldn't even exist, because it would be a purely unthinkable concept. Yet several times through history it's come to pass.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by raheme

One thing I've come to know as a fact is that there is no such thing as a utopian society. Communist north korea is about as isolationist and single minded a country you can find...but the very leaders (and late ones) live for self at the expense of their people. Given long enough, capitalism and materialism erode even the steepest reverent mountains.

I think the key word here is choice. I can choose to hear the baby cry. I can choose to acknowledge the hello. I can choose to receive that meal and break bread. Its my choice if I so choose to. Likewise its my choice to care or not.

Choice is not instinctive, its nurtured.

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Regardless of the government I think it's the people in power that corrupt. America is supposed to be a nation for the people and by the people. Largely though, it's the big company lobbyist that influence government the most, though not always thankfully.

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Originally Posted by raheme

The good raheme says of course id rescue the baby. The naive raheme says well, this is an apoclpye and food is short perhaps this baby is a trap to fish out prey (big meaty humans). The bad raheme says if I'm not able to provide for the child, if I'm struggling just to survive on my own, id probably have to mercy kill the child to save him/her from becoming a meal or dying a horrible death.

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Interesting response.

I, of course would do all I could to take care of the baby.

One of my friends (during our gaming session) stated that they would try to do the same, but if trouble came, they would do like Shane did Otis and drop the baby to distract the zombies so that he could get away. lol fucking bastard

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Well, if we're talking Walking Dead here then they do. As the zombies have been shown to decay to a point of being unable to move without eating. Even though they're still... undead... like... able to move... You get what I mean.

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I kind of felt that it has never been fully explained. With regards to the tv show, they gut a zombie looking for Sophia remains, and the woodchuck was there undigested.

Overall, I can see them processing food, since being reanimated as given them basic functions of other senses it is not much of a reach for them to process food. It actually keeping them from rotting though? That would also mean that there is full on blood circulation going to deliver said nutrients to the various body parts etc. If that is occurring then wounds would continue to bleed and fester and rot from bacteria and other general infections, like massive total body gangrene.

I tend to think that the process of eating is more so just mechanical from the small part of the brain. Perhaps, as some actual viruses (rabies) do, they biting is a function that serves the virus to spread from host to host, not so much of a conscious decision on the host part.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

I kind of felt that it has never been fully explained. With regards to the tv show, they gut a zombie looking for Sophia remains, and the woodchuck was there undigested.

Overall, I can see them processing food, since being reanimated as given them basic functions of other senses it is not much of a reach for them to process food. It actually keeping them from rotting though? That would also mean that there is full on blood circulation going to deliver said nutrients to the various body parts etc. If that is occurring then wounds would continue to bleed and fester and rot from bacteria and other general infections, like massive total body gangrene.

I tend to think that the process of eating is more so just mechanical from the small part of the brain. Perhaps, as some actual viruses (rabies) do, they biting is a function that serves the virus to spread from host to host, not so much of a conscious decision on the host part.

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I gotta be honest, I don't have any real response for you here.

Just watched this really great movie called Carnage by Roman Polanski. It's nothing but fantastic dialogue and if you don't mind that, I highly suggest checking it out. Cosmic, this movie actually plays to your comments about how a persons fortitude for civility dissolves in the face of tribulation. :cool: It's not a long film, barely 1hr 20mins and basically just one long conversation. If anyone has seen the film I'd love to pick your brain over it.

Random question...is it possible to be attracted to someone based off of intellect/communication regardless of gender/sexual orientation?

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Originally Posted by raheme

Random question...is it possible to be attracted to someone based off of intellect/communication regardless of gender/sexual orientation?

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Absolutely, I'd like to think that my situation in a particular person is a prime example for initial attraction.

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Originally Posted by raheme

Random question...is it possible to be attracted to someone based off of intellect/communication regardless of gender/sexual orientation?

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I'd say so. Though rarely does someone actually inspire such feelings in me. It is possible.

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Originally Posted by raheme

Random question...is it possible to be attracted to someone based off of intellect/communication regardless of gender/sexual orientation?

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I believe you call those "friends".

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I believe you call those "friends".

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That can be a lonely category for some lol

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I believe you call those "friends".

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Can you be sexually attracted to someone that purely turns you on intellectually/mentally?

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Originally Posted by raheme

Can you be sexually attracted to someone that purely turns you on intellectually/mentally?

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Absolutely. I've been that way around a lot of such people myself, and I've gotten many a question from others as to why or how I could possibly be into them. Their questions of course regard the people I choose based on how they look.

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Originally Posted by t3h EMMA

Absolutely. I've been that way around a lot of such people myself, and I've gotten many a question from others as to why or how I could possibly be into them. Their questions of course regard the people I choose based on how they look.

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Is that right...? Who said what... spill it... Someone's dead meat.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Is that right...? Who said what... spill it... Someone's dead meat.

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You look out for me so well. I appreciates it. It was more friends of mine back in the day before we all had grown. :o

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Originally Posted by raheme

Can you be sexually attracted to someone that purely turns you on intellectually/mentally?

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Y'know what? Methinks I can also answer this question with this picture, 'cause you know aesthetics may not have brought these two together.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ER/Thisguy.jpg

...as much as it could have, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised either way. :D

Too many scenarios popping through my head with that one.

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Originally Posted by t3h EMMA

Y'know what? Methinks I can also answer this question with this picture, 'cause you know aesthetics may not have brought these two together.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ER/Thisguy.jpg

...as much as it could have, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised either way. :D

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Which one is the chick???

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Originally Posted by raheme

Which one is the chick???

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I'd be a bald-faced liar if I said that didn't cross my mind; very androdgynous the one on the right is. ^^;

They do say opposites attract...

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

They do say opposites attract...

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To quote Bill, " Horse shit. "

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

They do say opposites attract...

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I 'member the video for the Opposites Attract song; Paula Abdul is a furry!! :D

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Originally Posted by t3h EMMA

Y'know what? Methinks I can also answer this question with this picture, 'cause you know aesthetics may not have brought these two together.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ER/Thisguy.jpg

...as much as it could have, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised either way. :D

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id be willing to bet that there were copious amounts of liquor involved pre-picture

R.I.P. Shane

yes, he was an asshole, volatile, and all of that but I also saw his point on a lot of stuff.

Man, can i get a big FUCK YOU to Lori, please!

A true EVE if i've ever saw one...

I honestly didn't expect Shane to be gone so soon ( until I noticed they were in a dark, moon lit film ) I will certainly miss his contribution of cold, yet sensible suggestions.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

I honestly didn't expect Shane to be gone so soon ( until I noticed they were in a dark, moon lit film ) I will certainly miss his contribution of cold, yet sensible suggestions.

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last night was hella dope in the way that the entire end scene was shot in total darkness...that shit was super suspenseful and eerie at the same time like there was a feeling of impending doom/dread. they got rid of 2 major cast members which should free up money to hire 2 or 3 newer permanent cast members.

I have to admit, while I did agree with a couple choices Shane wanted to make, (though not his execution of said choices) I'm glad to see this broken triangle come to an end. It felt like the drama was just going on and on. I thought it was symbolic how both father and son killed Shane as well. Overall, the episode seemed nearly perfect and I'm anxiously awaiting the finale.

Looks like they've already cast The Governor for the next season, which goes into production in April. :cool:

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Originally Posted by raheme

R.I.P. Shane

yes, he was an asshole, volatile, and all of that but I also saw his point on a lot of stuff.

Man, can i get a big FUCK YOU to Lori, please!

A true EVE if i've ever saw one...

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I'm he was a sociopath, murderer and potential rapist.so I say good riddance!