Mickey D "clowns" transwoman out of a job

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Originally Posted by nycguy

On another related note. When can a transgendered female rightfully aknowledge themselves as females on legal documents? I'm assuming shorty was not legally empowered to do so.

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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

The initial application is the first phase of gaining employment, anywhere! I know the application stated if the person was male or female; check the box or fill in the blank; whether the person is transgendered or not, there is still a factor to be considered on the application if it is duly stated; the person is a male or female, and if the application calls for gender, then the correct gender should be given.

Most applications will state if the applicant has based all the answers in truth. To finalize the application, an employer will ask a young person for validation of age by a birth certificate, state identification or valid driver’s license.

I had to bail a t-girl out of lockup and she asked me over the phone to ask for her by her male name, so that type of information on an employment application shouldn't be questionable. That is if the person really wants the job. Plus, the person should known that in the first place!

If the applicant is insecure about themselves, that’s their problem; they should not have given false information.

They were still born either male or female.

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As always you have raised alot of good points, and ones that I may get back
to.

But at at this juncture, I would like to ask you and other forum members a
few questions:

1. Do you feel that transgendered or transsexual individuals should put their
birth gender or rather the gender that they identify as, on applications such
as the ones under discussion?

2. At what point do you feel that a trans-person can legally and rightfully be
designated as the gender they identify as?

3. If they are not allowed to put the gender they identify as, do you see this
as a potential barrier to legal employment, and what are possible solutions
to this problem?

1. Do you feel that transgendered or transsexual individuals should put theirbirth gender or rather the gender that they identify as, on applications suchas the ones under discussion?

Transgendered individuals who are under certified, medical therapy should use their birth names on documents which are deemed legal until they can prove they have a medical condition, be it physical or mental, to legally changed by a legal, considered court order. All documents, applications, etc. thereafter can be considered as legal. Using a name they arbitrarily picked can be construed as an alias.

2. At what point do you feel that a trans-person can legally and rightfully be
designated as the gender they identify as?

As long as they have their biological sex genitalia they will still be deemed male or female and or until they have SRS (sex reassignment surgery) by a certified medical practitioner, i.e. a surgeon that specializes in sex reassignment surgery. Until then, they will be no different from the club scene in the movie “Good Fellas”, where everybody had an alias, which is basically prevalent today with all the t-girls.

3. If they are not allowed to put the gender they identify as, do you see this
as a potential barrier to legal employment, and what are possible solutions
to this problem?
All they have to do is abide by the language of the legal document. In other words, be truthful! If their birth name is James Jones, then that name should appear on the document. Jimmie or Jamie can be scrutinized by the employer if it is not on requested legal documents, such as birth certificates, state identification or jurisdictional driver’s licenses; everyone must be able identify themselves, legally.
Possible solutions, especially for transgendered persons; they should be who they are, be it male or female. They cannot help how they were born and they shouldn’t be ashamed of meeting the public head on, especially and specifically when their total life is to be considered. But until they can do something about their gender assignment, i.e. taking the steps to legally change their names and or seeking medical help to assure the future they desperately want.
Transgender issues are civil rights concerns; everyone has the right to a life, to have the liberty to a life and to be able to pursue what makes them truly happy under the constraints of our existing laws.
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wow imagine that being dicked down by the fryalator

TV KILLED THIS WITH REPLY. As a former legal official, I have to agree with the response...

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Originally Posted by anonymoussonny

tv Killed This With Reply. As A Former Legal Official, I Have To Agree With The Response...

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Always Do My Brotha....alway's Do.

Except for saying "We don't hire Faggots", which will get him in trouble, I think the manager was right. You cannot lie on an application. It means you are untrustworthy. If manager had just said she lied on her application, he'd be within his rights.

Now it's a DIFFERENT issue whether there was discrimination against Transgenders (or Gays). There is here, as proven by the "We don't hire Faggots" phrase. I'm not sure if McD's will lose $$$, however. On the one hand, one can argue they are not responsible for one manager saying wrong things. On the other hand, they are responsible for training their employers to respect the rights of GLBT, in my opinion, so one can argue they failed in that way. It will depend on the whims of the jury.

BTW, why do applicants at McD need to declare gender anyway ? I don't see what useful info that conveys on an application. The only thing I can figure is maybe they need an estimate of how physically strong you are, or which bathroom you should go to ... ?

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Originally Posted by peggygee

1. Do you feel that transgendered or transsexual individuals should put their
birth gender or rather the gender that they identify as, on applications such
as the ones under discussion?

2. At what point do you feel that a trans-person can legally and rightfully be
designated as the gender they identify as?

3. If they are not allowed to put the gender they identify as, do you see this
as a potential barrier to legal employment, and what are possible solutions
to this problem?

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Some good questions.

I suppose the main problem is that TG want to act and dress as women in public -- they want to blend in, and if they can declare they are female on the application or on their licenses, there is less trouble.

You cannot demand that they get an SRS just to able to change their gender identity. The SRS is a big and very personal decision, and not everyone wants to go that far. Nevertheless, in their hearts and minds they may be women.

It's a very interesting problem, and I'm actually not sure what the solution is. Last time I checked, there was consensus in the mental health community that transgenderism was essentially a disorder. I don't agree with that, but that's what you're up against here.

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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

1. Do you feel that transgendered or transsexual individuals should put theirbirth gender or rather the gender that they identify as, on applications suchas the ones under discussion?

Transgendered individuals who are under certified, medical therapy should use their birth names on documents which are deemed legal until they can prove they have a medical condition, be it physical or mental, to legally changed by a legal, considered court order. All documents, applications, etc. thereafter can be considered as legal. Using a name they arbitrarily picked can be construed as an alias.

2. At what point do you feel that a trans-person can legally and rightfully be
designated as the gender they identify as?

As long as they have their biological sex genitalia they will still be deemed male or female and or until they have SRS (sex reassignment surgery) by a certified medical practitioner, i.e. a surgeon that specializes in sex reassignment surgery. Until then, they will be no different from the club scene in the movie “Good Fellas”, where everybody had an alias, which is basically prevalent today with all the t-girls.

3. If they are not allowed to put the gender they identify as, do you see this
as a potential barrier to legal employment, and what are possible solutions
to this problem?
All they have to do is abide by the language of the legal document. In other words, be truthful! If their birth name is James Jones, then that name should appear on the document. Jimmie or Jamie can be scrutinized by the employer if it is not on requested legal documents, such as birth certificates, state identification or jurisdictional driver’s licenses; everyone must be able identify themselves, legally.
Possible solutions, especially for transgendered persons; they should be who they are, be it male or female. They cannot help how they were born and they shouldn’t be ashamed of meeting the public head on, especially and specifically when their total life is to be considered. But until they can do something about their gender assignment, i.e. taking the steps to legally change their names and or seeking medical help to assure the future they desperately want.
Transgender issues are civil rights concerns; everyone has the right to a life, to have the liberty to a life and to be able to pursue what makes them truly happy under the constraints of our existing laws.
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Response is forthcoming.

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Originally Posted by MrF

BTW, why do applicants at McD need to declare gender anyway ? I don't see what useful info that conveys on an application. The only thing I can figure is maybe they need an estimate of how physically strong you are, or which bathroom you should go to ... ?

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A box next to "gender" on the McDonald's job application was listed as "optional" information, information Bellamy opted not to disclose. According to the application, "failure to respond will not subject you to adverse treatment."

Potential employees are assured of an ostensible gender "non-discrimination" policy stated on applications for positions at McDonald's.

And just so everyone knows:

The manager of an Orlando, Florida McDonald's who refused to interview a transgender woman and left a voicemail message stating: "We don't hire faggots," has been fired.

In a statement, the company says:

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"Sand Lake Road McDonald’s has a strict policy prohibiting any form of discrimination or harassment in hiring, termination, or any other aspect of employment in the organization. The restaurant requires all employees to comply with local, state and federal employment laws. The behavior of the individual in question is not reflective of the employment policies in the organization. Further, this individual acted outside the scope of his authority and was not responsible for hiring. The individual in question is no longer employed by the restaurant."

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