It's not about bottom vs top/verse anymore...

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Originally Posted by Indy24

LOL, Okay Millhouse!

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I was afraid no one would get that. I knew there was a reason I didn't hate you.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

This is pretty much a directory for guys who date TS and don't always get the same experience.

Think of the two descriptions as polar opposites were as Ms Remy has admitted to being somewhere in the middle of the two.

It's not negative for a woman not to use her penis or to obtain SRS. The disconnect comes in when girls like this condemn anything that doesn't live up to the male and female standard that society as a whole dictates on everyone. Which is kind of strange to me since the clinical term "transsexual" goes hand and hand with "grey area" since male and female roles have never been black in white to begin with.

To me a lot of tgirls come off as transophobes, meaning that there is no doubt in my mind that if they were born as genetic females they'd be as ignorant and unbearable as most of those who look down on trannies and the guys they attract.

So when I hear terms like "Cockhound" and "pussyboy bottom" from tgirls. I instantly loose respect for those individuals.

You on the other hand seem to be lightening up a little and you obviously have a man who excepts you for you and from my POV that's what it should be for everyone.

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Amen Indy! Preach my brotha. I feel you. I just posted something of a remotely similar subject in a thread just yesterday.

It's all about individuality and respecting people as individuals. I think some people have a hard time with the definition of individuality. They know what it means but don't apply it to every and all situations. If a 200% masculine man likes to bottom for a transsexual, that doesn't mean that now he's only 180% masculine. LMAO! He's still that 200% masculine guy who likes to bottom. He's an INDIVIDUAL who has his own INDIVIDUAL desires. The person who now questions this man's masculinity just because he likes to bottom is the person who doesn't quite understand the term individuality. The person who now questions this man's masculinity is probably the person who has compared him to their perceptual standard of the "whole" of masculine man society instead of remembering that he is an INDIVIDUAL.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I've come to realize that there are two type of tgirls I encounter

On one hand you've got tgirls who hate everything about the sex they were born as and wished to God that they were born as genetic females. SRS is their ultimate goal and don't usually feel complete until they have this surgery. As a result when they meet guys who may be genuinely straight, they're often rejected when showing any affection towards her penis. To these tgirls their anus represents the vagina.

Then there are tgirls who feel like women yet are still comfortable with their bodies and organs they were born in. Like others they take hormones, get work done, hair removal etc. and their sex lives tend to be more open to guys who don't mind pleasuring their male parts. And most of them have no desire to get SRS. They have their own way of thinking and don't care how society views them.

Both go through life transitioning yet their lifestyles and opinions can be totally different.

For me as a trans attracted male I find it important to distinguish one from the other since not all of them share the same POV as me. Yet we all live in a society ignorance and hypocrisy is the norm. Some wish to conform into that lot while other have could care less when living their lives how they see it.

Either way this helps me to understand TS better when socializing. Do you agree?

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Originally Posted by Indy24

This is pretty much a directory for guys who date TS and don't always get the same experience.

Think of the two descriptions as polar opposites were as Ms Remy has admitted to being somewhere in the middle of the two.

It's not negative for a woman not to use her penis or to obtain SRS. The disconnect comes in when girls like this condemn anything that doesn't live up to the male and female standard that society as a whole dictates on everyone. Which is kind of strange to me since the clinical term "transsexual" goes hand and hand with "grey area" since male and female roles have never been black in white to begin with.

To me a lot of tgirls come off as transophobes, meaning that there is no doubt in my mind that if they were born as genetic females they'd be as ignorant and unbearable as most of those who look down on trannies and the guys they attract.

So when I hear terms like "Cockhound" and "pussyboy bottom" from tgirls. I instantly loose respect for those individuals.

You on the other hand seem to be lightening up a little and you obviously have a man who excepts you for you and from my POV that's what it should be for everyone.

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Not to get caught up in semantics, and come across as being pedantic, but
"top, bottom, verse", are all terms connoting gay male sexual habits, practices
and techniques.

As a post op I usually feel very out of place in responding to or participating
in any of these types of threads as I don't feel that they are apropos.

But since SRS has been mentioned a number of times, here goes;

The following views expressed are strictly my own, and I won't attempt to
speak for other post op women, or those that are predisposed to having the
surgery.

1. Pre operatively, I never thought of my anus as my vagina. Yes, in lieu of
having a vagina, I did engage in anal sex, and will admit to enjoying it. At this
point in time, now that I have a vagina I rarely engage in anal sex. I find it
somewhat painful, and vaginal sex is so much simpler, and feels more natural
to me.

2.Pre operatively, I never turned away a man that I was mutually attracted to
that knew of my genitial status. However, in my almost 40 years full-time, I
have never penetrated a man anally, and have rarely had men attempt to
perform oral sex on me.

Why?

Luck of the draw, the aura I give off, I don't know. But no man that I have
been casually or seriously involved with has wanted the dick.

3.

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Both go through life transitioning yet their lifestyles and opinions can be totally different.

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Trans is a Latin noun or prefix, meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the
opposite side".

Thus the very definition of trans sexual / gender denotes a woman that is or
has crossed over to another sex or gender.

GRS is for the most part the last stop on the "transitioning train ride". For
me, and most post ops, we no longer think or concern oursselve's with
the various stops on the train: HRT, electro, FFS, Silicon, orchiechtomy, GRS.

Yes, for some there me be a need for some mental, emotional adjustments,
post everything, but hopefuully they have done that work before they got on
the train.

Thus I would posit that many women "do not go through life transitioning".

At this stage of my life, I am just another Black woman, with the usual Black
woman issues, concerns, and goals.

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Originally Posted by vidman

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Amen Indy! Preach my brotha. I feel you. I just posted something of a remotely similar subject in a thread just yesterday.

It's all about individuality and respecting people as individuals. I think some people have a hard time with the definition of individuality. They know what it means but don't apply it to every and all situations. If a 200% masculine man likes to bottom for a transsexual, that doesn't mean that now he's only 180% masculine. LMAO! He's still that 200% masculine guy who likes to bottom. He's an INDIVIDUAL who has his own INDIVIDUAL desires. The person who now questions this man's masculinity just because he likes to bottom is the person who doesn't quite understand the term individuality. The person who now questions this man's masculinity is probably the person who has compared him to their perceptual standard of the "whole" of masculine man society instead of remembering that he is an INDIVIDUAL.

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For me it's a stand against a perception based of a ignorance.

A man getting pleasure from his ass will not prevent him from scoring a winning touchdown, becoming a war hero, or any other manly characteristics people can come up with.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

At this stage of my life, I am just another Black woman, with the usual Black
woman issues, concerns, and goals.

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Temporary lay-offs, easy credit rip-offs, scratchin' and survivin', hangin' in a chow line?

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Originally Posted by Indy24

This is pretty much a directory for guys who date TS and don't always get the same experience.

Think of the two descriptions as polar opposites were as Ms Remy has admitted to being somewhere in the middle of the two.

It's not negative for a woman not to use her penis or to obtain SRS. The disconnect comes in when girls like this condemn anything that doesn't live up to the male and female standard that society as a whole dictates on everyone. Which is kind of strange to me since the clinical term "transsexual" goes hand and hand with "grey area" since male and female roles have never been black in white to begin with.

To me a lot of tgirls come off as transophobes, meaning that there is no doubt in my mind that if they were born as genetic females they'd be as ignorant and unbearable as most of those who look down on trannies and the guys they attract.

So when I hear terms like "Cockhound" and "pussyboy bottom" from tgirls. I instantly loose respect for those individuals.

You on the other hand seem to be lightening up a little and you obviously have a man who excepts you for you and from my POV that's what it should be for everyone.

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Originally Posted by vidman

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Amen Indy! Preach my brotha. I feel you. I just posted something of a remotely similar subject in a thread just yesterday.

It's all about individuality and respecting people as individuals. I think some people have a hard time with the definition of individuality. They know what it means but don't apply it to every and all situations. If a 200% masculine man likes to bottom for a transsexual, that doesn't mean that now he's only 180% masculine. LMAO! He's still that 200% masculine guy who likes to bottom. He's an INDIVIDUAL who has his own INDIVIDUAL desires. The person who now questions this man's masculinity just because he likes to bottom is the person who doesn't quite understand the term individuality. The person who now questions this man's masculinity is probably the person who has compared him to their perceptual standard of the "whole" of masculine man society instead of remembering that he is an INDIVIDUAL.

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I will admit that I subscribe to a binary definition of gender; male, female.

I remember when I was transitioning and feeling like I was caught in the
Twilight Zone, between the two.

I also recall after my GCS urgery that my parents were almost as glad as
me, as they were concerned about the perils and obstacles that i might
encounter remaining pre op.

Having said that, I will quote a West African parable "That which you eat,
doesn't make me fat.

It is not my peronality or disposition to cast aspersions upon anyone about
the choices they make with their bodies, or who with, and how they have
sex.

I can, and have only chosen that which was right fro me.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Temporary lay-offs, easy credit rip-offs, scratchin' and survivin', hangin' in a chow line?

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"Ain't we lucky we got um, good times".

http://scstestsites.com/ezcell2/imag...tanis-box2.jpg

Bern Nadette Stanis, another middle-aged Blaack woman.

:cool:

She's still fine after all these years.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

Not to get caught up in semantics, and come across as being pedantic, but
"top, bottom, verse", are all terms connoting gay male sexual habits, practices
and techniques.

As a post op I usually feel very out of place in responding to or participating
in any of these types of threads as I don't feel that they are apropos.

But since SRS has been mentioned a number of times, here goes;

The following views expressed are strictly my own, and I won't attempt to
speak for other post op women, or those that are predisposed to having the
surgery.

1. Pre operatively, I never thought of my anus as my vagina. Yes, in lieu of
having a vagina, I did engage in anal sex, and will admit to enjoying it. At this
point in time, now that I have a vagina I rarely engage in anal sex. I find it
somewhat painful, and vaginal sex is so much simpler, and feels more natural
to me.

2.Pre operatively, I never turned away a man that I was mutually attracted to
that knew of my genitial status. However, in my almost 40 years full-time, I
have never penetrated a man anally, and have rarely had men attempt to
perform oral sex on me.

Why?

Luck of the draw, the aura I give off, I don't know. But no man that I have
been casually or seriously involved with has wanted the dick.

3.

Trans is a Latin noun or prefix, meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the
opposite side".

Thus the very definition of trans sexual / gender denotes a woman that is or
has crossed over to another sex or gender.

GRS is for the most part the last stop on the "transitioning train ride". For
me, and most post ops, we no longer think or concern oursselve's with
the various stops on the train: HRT, electro, FFS, Silicon, orchiechtomy, GRS.

Yes, for some there me be a need for some mental, emotional adjustments,
post everything, but hopefuully they have done that work before they got on
the train.

Thus I would posit that many women "do not go through life transitioning".

At this stage of my life, I am just another Black woman, with the usual Black
woman issues, concerns, and goals.

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Well I most apologize since I wasn't aware that Bottom/top/verse were exclusive to the gay community but in my defense TS have been around just as long as they have considering that we can't have the Y before getting the X first. But for the sake of argument lets just call it "pegging" for now LOL!

The difference between you and the others I spoke of are that you, don't seem to carry the same bias.

You had a goal and you went through with it....no one was harmed during the process and you don't come off as better than anyone else.

That said even if someone wanted you to top before you fully transitioned I certain that you would've handled the situation respectfully.

On the same note I've never met a tgirl that has rejected oral sex. Sure not all of them indulge in topping. But things like that should disgussed well before any sexual encounters to begin with.

For the record this thread wasn't meant to attack anyone. And I'll be the first to admit that it isn't an exact science.

But it does explain a lot of the rash comments I get from people who should no better.

F.Y.I. A genetic woman's vaginal lips or Labia majora and minora are made from the same skin tissues as a tgirls scrotum. So what's wrong with indulging in either?

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Originally Posted by thegirlnextdoor

mildly verse means he's mostly top but he has bottomed before and is down to do it again asshole

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Asshole? Really? Wow


I'm gonna act like I ain't see that