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When I first met Allannah and offered her a shoot for ShemaleYum she graciously accepted our standard modeling fee without any haggling or complaining that she was worth much more. She has a savy business sense and used her modeling with us to boost her career. A lot of girls who won't shoot with us are just plain stupid and greedy to boot!
that's a very partial way of looking at a business that i've seen you grow over the years. chicken vs. egg theory. you see it as you giving them the opportunity to grow, while they could see it as you exploiting them. would you be where you are at today if it were not for the willingness of the girls to model for your websites? probably not. very few school teachers, cops, office workers, etc. retire young and live lavishly in the tropics...!
among black transsexuals, eve is legendary homie. love or hate her, she does her thing regardless of what most think. that is all i am saying. comparing the accomplishments of a white ts to a black ts in the realm of adult entertainment is a bit foolish. considering that white men control the industry so of course her accomplishments won't match up to those girls in that sense.
^^^I agree with what he said...
I have to disagree here. The modeling business Adult or Mainstream is not what the outsider may think. Most if not all models get paid for the specific modeling gig they are doing. Models for 'Vibe', 'Playboy', 'XXL' or 'Hustler' are not getting a piece of the company in exchange for doing a spread, which is what girls like Eve and other Independent BTGs are asking for. A lot of these BTG's are misinformed and think that we are 'exploiting' them. This is a common business practice that has been followed long before Grooby existed.
We treat and pay models fairly and if they use good business practices, would use the increased exposure they gain from working with Grooby into other lucrative ventures. Black models have the same opportunites as non-black models, it's on the model to take advantage of them instead of 'hating' on a company and sitting in their own lower level world on the net. I don't know the 'stats' but while there may be a bigger market for hot white shemales (I'm not saying there is), there is a big market for hot black shemales. Big enough of a market for many of the BTG's that apply themselves to be very successful. Sexxy Jade and Aniyah Red are doing their thing and more power to them. Most of these BTG models do one shoot and expect the whole world to turn a 180 for them without them doing any actual work for it.
I don't know any of us photogs personally that are retiring young and living lavish in the tropics, but damned if I don't know anyone who doesn't want that. :D
It's fine and dandy to stick up for these gals and I wish them all the best in life as I do everyone, but no one is being 'used' or taken 'advantage' of. Utimately, it's on the model to take advantage of what they 'can' have instead of turning their noses up. Like Tony Vee said, all the Independent models that are successful, have done shoots with us and continue to work with us and other companies as it brings fresh exposure that can be directed back to their own site. Like my man said, these gals have to look in the mirror and stay in touch with their Star Player.
Legendary to who? You?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
I'd applaud chicks like Madison (big dick bitch)...and some newer solo gals like Tracey and Trina who are making some moves. Everyone with a solo site isnt legendary though.
Tony & Remy made a good point. Not much to elaborate on. This is real talk, all of the big name girls these days either ,white or black, got their start at Grooby when more than likely nobody else was trying to shoot them. Our company is the pioneer in tranny porn and have launched a lot of models.
I have watched this thread and many like them before. I just have to add my two cents about what to me is foolish to even debate. I can speak to this topic intelligently from both ends being a model and promoter myself of many girls. I will state this I have no personal stake or stock in Grooby at all. The sites owners have recieved numberous emails from me about what was grinding my gears. I know a few of the photogs here past and present and some are really good friends and others could be on fire and I wouldnt piss on them. With that said let me address several issues that got my panties in a knot.
A) The race card being played here is really sickening especially to a dark girl such as myself who when you wanna say they hating on her cause she black and I look at the girl and she can pass for latin. Most of the "black girls " make up these mixed heritages if they think they can get away with it til they don't get what they want then it becomes "oh they can't take a sista. " Racismn exist in all over and especially in modeling, this has less to do with Grooby or any other major company and more to do with the state of America and the images we are fed about how beauty is defined. Believe it or not many of you play more of a role in this same ignoring of black images as being beautiful than you know. When speak of light skin and "good hair" being better. The same black men that claim to be staunch lovers of black women are the same men that seek out black women with european or latin features.
B) Being successful in the porn industry takes more than getting your naked ass on camera and fucking and putting it on the net. Most of the solo sites the level of quality is not even there to begin to compare it to some of the main stream stuff. There are many pretty girls with big tits big asses that are out there. Nothing about many of the girls you all mention is all that stunning or stand out. Other than the fact that most of these sites offer barebacking, cum swallowing and all kind of other risky behaviors which to me aren't worth my health just for all you to love me or sign up to my site.The video quality is poor, the lighting sucks, girls are doing drugs in movies, girls are in movies looking like they would going to the grocery store or walmart, the boys are usually high, drunk or stupid, no lingerie, no sets, no scenery nothing but the same fuck scene movie after movie different co star. Making yourself legendary is done by making yourself revalant. I will give one example in that of Sexy Jade her site never moved me at all but she is one that has really stepped her game up and her shit is on point. From her look to the material delievered. Its not all about how a girl looks cause even Allanah would look a hot shitty mess in the grainy low quality cam footage that most sites have on them.
C) Models not wanting to work with any agency is fine. I was one of those girls at one time this site especially I wouldnt work with because of past fotogs they have had. I can say Grooby has stepped their game up and this is business not a popularity contest. To be successful its take more than posing. I am not one of those girls that toots her own horn or talks finances with random fans. Issues I have with the industry I take to the people that can do something about it. If you want more, you do more. My success is 20% work I do on cam 80% behind the scenes work. I am my biggest promoter even though there are others that are pushing me backing me and making money off of me. Grooby not being one of those sites I do quite well. I have no complaints and the changes being made to my site are personal choices because I want to take things to the next level. Most girls have no business sense at all. No girl is a porn star just cause she have been filmed having sex. If that is the case every bitch on Xtube is a porn star posting home movies. To achieve porn star status take work out side the bedroom and more in the boardroom.
D) I hated the photographer that did my Black tgirls shoot and still do to this day. He had a shitty ass attitude, he was a horrible fotographer I have taken better pics with my camera phone than what he did and he was basically a shit head who I can't say I am sorry is no longer here. Only wish a house could have dropped on him. I can say however that so many over avenues were opened up to me from those crappy ass pictures. In life Chanel always has to do a assessment am I going to be the victim or turn this to my advantages. I am the Queen of making lemons into lemonade. It might come as a suprise to you but my memory never fails me even when i have only had an online interaction with someone. Many of the same fuckers begging to suck my dick, fuck my ass or get rodded out by me are the same ones a few years back 8 to be exact that told me that I would never make it in this industry with out doing this that or the other. Being "legendary or a star " in any fans eye is moot to me. I know personally how fickle most of you freaks are when your dicks are hard. I have to call it what it is its a "girl du jour " thing with many of you. For those of you not fluent en francais that mean girl of the day. . So I am always baffled when men get on their soap box and preach the evils of this industry and how somone is being mistreated. I am often skeptical and question the motive and intent behind it.
In essence Grooby is not God and can't stop any girl determined enough to do what she has to be a stand out. After that horrendous set of pics I still egged out a career found my niche upped my game made my way on my own completely with the help of a few friends and have become who I am today and you still haven't seen the best of me. So am I gonna sit on the pity pot about how folks do me or am I gonna do me. I choose to do me and I am doing just fine.
You might not, but who signs your check buddy? exactly. and that's the point to it all. if you'd like to pretend that a bias does not exist with regard to black ts erotica, look no further than your very own websites. look at the quality and layout of a franks-tgirls.com or a shemaleyum.com or a ladyboy-ladyboy.com and then look at black-tgirls.com. i am not trying to start a racial argument, i am just stating obvious facts that anyone with two eyes can see. and even if it isn't reality the perception in the eyes of many black ts is that it is. and in there world perception is as a good as fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy757Photog
and here is another hard fact.
you can not compare the opportunities or accomplishements of a white ts to a black (non brazilian) ts. i can't think of 10 titles where a black (english speaking) ts was featured...but you can think of a million that feature white ts, asian, brazilian, etc...etc...if the powers that be don't want it (other rich white porn entrepreneurs such as your boss) it won't get made. which warrants the argument. and in reality, it isn't really his responsibility to make or promote those types of things. there should be some studious black entrepreneur (male or ts) with enough education, drive, and money to take advantage of a gigantic opportunity (black erotic hardcore transsexual porn). if there were no money in it, do you think these girls would have their own websites like many of them now do? think about it. ten years ago, you'd be hardpressed to find a black tgirl outside of a yahoo or aol chat room or on black-tgirls.com. now everybody and there mama has a website because they saw a void and filled a niche, most like the guys who created the company you work for did. simple economics, supply and demand.
the fact that we are even debating this on a company owned message board kind of renders the argument null and void...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DirtySouth
Hold on, are you saying that the quality and layout of black-tgirls.com is subpar to shemaleyum.com and franks-tgirlworld.com ? I have to disagree again, I know you've seen the new and improved design of BTG and I don't think there's a soul here to complain about it. Both Frank's site and Yum feature "btg's" but the focus of each site is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
The opportunities are the same, the accomplishments of white ts and some black ts are different because some of the BTG models are not taking advantage of said opportunities. 10 years ago? Come on dude, since the 70's and 80's btg's been in tg porn films. I remember them old ass Kim Christy productions and quite a few had black tgs in them. You want to see btg's be successful tell them to stop smoking the weed, chasing drama, chasing drama causing men, stop the illegal practices, stop eating junk food, and put their game face on. You want to see a black person running a major tg production company (fuck, can't ya'll be happy with the President LOL J/K) then step up to the plate. Anyone with the money, determination, and know how can do it.
Just because a model spent $100 having a site made for themselves, threw some shit content on it updated once or twice a month doesn't mean they are fillling a niche. It certainly doesn't mean that they are rolling in the dough either. Please let me know which of the independent ONLY models are living lavish AND not tricking (or some other illegal activity)... It's ok, go on search for them I'll wait.... Damn man, I don't even mean to speak bad on the btg models, but seriously they can make it just as easily as a white tg. Mind you it's not easy at all, if the btg models aren't flying out to the industry events, networking, shopping themselves to the other companies and such, who will ever know they exist but their escort clients. You can't blame the system for btg models not being as prominent as wtg's, when some of the btg's aren't trying no where near half as hard to make their presence known.
What in the world does the fact that we are holding this conversation on the BTG Forum have to do with anything? Me and Dirty South (1 sorta black guy :D and 1 black guy) are the moderators we aren't stopping you from having your word or removing your post. What are you saying, you want us to go over to B.D.B forum and have this debate? Would that some how validate this debate for you? I don't go to her site, does she have a forum? Is it free to the public or is she charging members just to conversate with each other? How about we carry it over to HungAngels would that be better or is that still not cool if it's not owned by a black person. I got you, Chanel, do you mind if we conversate about this topic over in your world? lol ;) Sorry I'm an asshole I know, but I don't care for people using the race card for all the ills in the world. Jews were slaves to the white man way before blacks were and they still rose above it.