Former Black-TGirl Model Arrested For Murder

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Asia is a transgendered woman. This society is quite cruel to the transgendered community. Most are forced to live along the margins of our society. Most have no hope to pursue a business or a legitimate profession due to their condition. Most transgendered people are harassed and ridiculed from childhood throughout their entire adult lives. Many who have not been able to suppress their true feelings till after grade school, find it easier to drop-out, so they do.

Most tgirls that I know are either on some type of financial assistance from the government, they live off of relatives, friends, or sex-work. This type of living is a direct result of being continually ostracized by society and discriminated against. For them, the cards of life have been heavily stacked against them. I therefore, sympathize with their plight completely.

In the case of Asia, it is true that I don't know her, but it is also true that there are thousands of Asias out there who have lived through hell due to employment discrimination, social rejection (all of their lives), mental and physical abuse from boyfriends, and last but certainly not least, AIDS.

Asia, I believe felt as though she had been handed the death sentence by Nevith. We don't know if Nevith knew that he had it and didn't tell it or just what the particulars were. However, I lost my sister three years ago because a stupid no good asshole who had AIDS, knew it, but didn't make her aware of it, until she got diagnosed. That's when he finally decided to admit it! Now, they're both dead!

No, I don't like the fact that someone was murdered, Lord knows I'm sick of all the murder that takes place in all our communities. I'm sick of all kinds of killing, peroid. That's why I want us out of Afganistan and Iraq right now! However, I still support our troops, right or wrong!

That's why I say, I support Asia, right or wrong!!!

It's all about Loyalties at this point...

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im sorry to hear about ur sister and totally respect u for sharing ur personal pain. it takes a real dude to open up like u did. but with that said, how do we know that asia bf actually gave her AIDS. she did say in her video that she escorted and traveled to many cities & states. she could have had sexual encounters with hundreds of men. so who knows if she telling the truth or not. im not hating on her, im just the type of person that dosnt take someone word as bond. i usually look at all aspect then come to my conclusion on whatever the topic is. in any event, the article said “a while back she was upset that her bf gave her AIDS” now me being the dude that takes all aspect in account –i have to ask myself, if she knew her bf gave her AIDS, why in the hell would she continue having a relationship with him (sounds kinds fishy)
hope u see or understand my point

Hey there Ty-Clone!

You know, since its true that Asia was a traveling businesswoman, she most probably, was aware of just who and what she was dealing with. Most intelligent Tgirls (and she was very intelligent) don't take any chances with that raw bareback stuff. I don't suspect that Asia would be any different. If I had to guess the more likely probability, I would guess that she became too relaxed with her boyfriend and let up her guard.

However, like you say, we don't know anything for certain at this point. All we can do now, is blow uncertain air within these threads by speculating.

I'll just betcha that their relationship was on the freaking rocks. On one hand, I read that they were living in that apartment for just a few days. Next thing I hear, is that she just came over to visit. We'll just have to wait for more information.

It won't really matter how long I wait, or just what will be revealed as evidence.

I will always support Asia, since I see her as a greater victim of this society.:o

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Hey there Ty-Clone!

You know, since its true that Asia was a traveling businesswoman, she most probably, was aware of just who and what she was dealing with. Most intelligent Tgirls (and she was very intelligent) don't take any chances with that raw bareback shit. I don't suspect that Asia would be any different. If had to guess the more likely probability, I would guess that she became too relaxed with her boyfriend and let up her guard.

However, like you say, we don't know anything for certain at this point. All we can do now, is blow uncertain air within these threads by speculating.

I'll just betcha that their relationship was on the freaking rocks. On one hand, I read that they were living in that apartment for just a few days. Next thing I hear, is that she just came over to visit. We'll just have to wait for more information.

It won't really matter how long I wait, or just what will be revealed as evidence.

I will always support Asia, since I see her as a greater victim of this society.:o

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Man.. you are so wrong on your assumptions. Asia is reckless she is a react first think later person.. I can tell you never spent time with her or you would know. She has a kind heart but as i said she doesnt think first and can be a loose canon.

Sometimes it feels good just to stand where you are standing and to feel what you're feeling, regardless as to what others' opinions may be!

You should be able to relate to that,....right?

The way I see it, Asia was my sister too!

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Sometimes it feels good just to stand where you are standing and to feel what you're feeling, regardless as to what others' opinions may be!

You should be able to relate to that,....right?

The way I see it, Asia was my sister too!

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I just can't stand with you on this. Maybe your projecting it from your own personal and very sad experience but Asia was NOT "your sister too". You are using blind faith to support somebody who potentially is a murderer, based only on the fact that she's a tgirl. You aren't taking other factors into account and making huge assumptions.

I'd be the first to support someone either financially, emotionally or by making a statement if I thought they were being abused by the system. I wish I'd been in a position to support Sylvia Boots more strongly as she got a raw deal off the police and prosecutors but as long as Asia gets a fair trial as any other black woman would, who'd committed the same crime, then I'm not going to jump on the loony train and support her purely because she's a transgender. I'll reserve that for situations in which someone is being abused or not treat fairly, because of their gender status.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole damn world is one big "Looney Train". Once we as human beings, place the crosshairs on a particular group of people, all of their lives become subject to the oppression and denigration of our own ignorance. Our own ignorance becomes the sculptor's knife that carves the masterpiece of shit that becomes the daily lives of a whole group of people. This is true for most ostracized groups of people, but especially gays and transgender people.

I stand in support of Asia not because she is a murderer, I can't do that anymore than anyone because it has yet to be substantiated that she is a murderer. That's because within our legal system, one is assumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I'm concerned, there are far too many people who trample upon that part of our highly revered legal system. I stand in support of Asia because she represents an entire group of people who have been down-trodden and oppressed for far too long all over the world.

Who knows what frame of mind she was in when the incident occurred? If Nevith did give her AIDS, can you even imagine the frame of mind that would catapult her into? Just assume for the moment that your sex partner gave you AIDS, would you not feel any animosity? You might even have prayed and meditated for strength, thought that you had overcome the tragedy both mentally and psychologically, but then suddenly at the instant you're smacked by the same vector that injected you with AIDS, you snap!

Look! There are a thousand scenarios. In the end, most people believe what they want to believe anyway despite the evidence. I'm taking this opportunity to shine greater light upon the plight of the transgendered in general. I'm not upholding the right's of serial killers, child molesters, war mongers, racists, or other despicable people.

I sympathize with the transgender community. I therefore, support the transgender community. If someone is to prove them wrong, then let them do it! However as far as I'm concerned, that's exactly what their going to have to do, prove it!

If that sounds LOONEY, then I'm flying my LOONEY flag as high as I can!

What's really "LOONEY" is, hundreds of thousands of people getting murdered and maimed within the institution of war, all because some "LOONEY" individual screamed, "Weapons of Mass Destruction"!

I therefore, still stand strong in support of Asia!!!

Koanbred, I am truely in support of all things LGBT, but I'm not going to blindly support everyone in the LGBT community. We are all human and fallible, and while I can imagine the torment someone would go through finding out they have AIDS that does not excuse murder. Again, out of all the information given, the one thing that hasn't been under dispute is that Asia admitted to commiting this crime. Having been given AIDS or slapped once wont protect her under the self defense argument either. There was legal actions she could have under taken, but instead she took this man's life away in a brutal fashion. Yes, she will have her day in court and hopefully she will be treated fairly, but I don't feel she should be allowed to roam the streets free as if this never happen. I don't think you should make her your poster child either, there are many TS that are out there doing positive things for society and trying to make a difference, perhaps you should look into supporting someone who can and wants to actually make a change for the better.

Answer this one question for me if you will Koanbred. Do you seriously think Asia did not commit this crime? In your latest post, you almost make it sound like there is some other suspect when you say that they will have to "...prove it". She admitted to her family she stabbed him, do you think the butler came in later while she was having drinks and finished the bf off or something? I am going on the assumption that in confessing to her family she likely also confessed to the police when they arrested her. To me, this seems like a rather easy case for the Prosecutors to close.

Hi there Remy!

There are certain medical and psychological conditions that might play a role in mitigating the circumstances here. Again, we don't know all of the facts.

There's something funny about how so-called legal remedies exit the picture, when you're life has not only been threatened, but ended for certain...

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Anytime I see the opportunity to support the transgender community or any of its members, I will seize it!

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Hi there Remy!

There are certain medical and psychological conditions that might play a role in mitigating the circumstances here. Again, we don't know all of the facts.

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Anytime I see the opportunity to support the transgender community or any of its members, I will seize it!

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I see, so you're hoping she gets off on some kind of temporary insanity plea. Only time will tell I reckon. Again, I've known a lot of tg's that have gone to jail for crimes less severe than this and while I felt bad for them, I absolutely believe that if you do the crime, you deserve to do the time! She has proven herself to be a threat to society, and I for one would not feel safe around an admitted killer whom could potentially snap over something and become violent. I look forward to seeing you support TG's in the community that are doing positive things, and I think this will be my last post on this topic as it has become redundant.

Hey Remy!

I just want to say one thing. Dependent upon conditions and circumstance, anyone can be driven to kill.

Just ask any war veteran or battered wife...

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Koanbred

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Hey Remy!

I just want to say one thing. Dependent upon conditions and circumstance, anyone can be driven to kill.

Just ask any war veteran or battered wife...

Love,
Koanbred

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That's just a silly comment as is your new signature. Who made YOU an ambassador for the transgender community ... maybe the transgender community would have chosen someone that makes a little more sense and doesn't grandstand?

Sincerely, I can kind of see the point you are making and I'm sure your heart is in the right place but taking this as a "cause" is probably a bad choice, given that you don't even know her.

One thing we really need to get sorted out because it doesn't look like you are aware of this, is that being HIV+ is not the death sentence it used to be. Most people with the virus can live a somewhat normal lifestyle for a long time.

seanchai

That's odd, no one has ever accused me of NOT making any sense before this forum.

However, on second thought...Would it really make sense at all, to try to make any sense of what we as humans do, and how we as humans, act?

As a whole, though we do seem to be slowly evolving, we're pretty much a screwed-up species with apparently no guidance at all, with the exception of our own egos. How pitiful!

In all the millions of galaxies within the universe, we find ourselves within this one called the Milky Way. With all the millions of stars within the Milky Way, we find ourselves trapped within this abysmal rock we call, the earth, which appears to be mutually locked into the attractive force of gravitation with our own star, the Sun. This phenomenon appears to be our most salient curse! Just the fact that we are here alone, left to sort things out for ourselves, with no apparent rule of law except for our consciences, which can be so easily persuaded by mass opinion, false perception, and lies.

If neither religion or law protects the defenseless, or people who are traditionally ostracized from society, then just what does make any sense for them?

We've got to help mold this rock into a better place! Not through murder or vice, but by learning to treat entire groups of people, fairly.

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I hope you don't take all signatures seriously...

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I agree with TVSurfer and Ty-Clone statements, no comment probably was the best thing to say, and she and any other ts without a name and sex change will be charged as a him. Asia will go to a male prison and many do offer segregation for HIV victims, gays, and ts if they so choose.

It's way to early for us to speculate over what happen. RIP to the deceased and may the higher powers watch over Asia. We really only know what she told her family members (which doesn't make it the truth) and what they in turn told the media, but what we do know for a fact is that she murdered him, his side of the story wont be heard. Talk of a defense fund sounds a bit premature Koanbred, do you know her personally? If so I can almost understand wanting to jump to her defense, but I dont so I rather wait until more facts are known. I've dealt with domestic violence cases before and from what I've seen the guilty call family to see them one last time with out bars in between, the innocent (self-defense) dial 911.

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I feel what remy is saying about this I gonna pray that everything works out for the best for her, but I can't jump and be ready to defend her until I know more about this situation. Sometimes things happen and people snap.

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

That's odd, no one has ever accused me of NOT making any sense before this forum.

However, on second thought...Would it really make sense at all, to try to make any sense of what we as humans do, and how we as humans, act?

As a whole, though we do seem to be slowly evolving, we're pretty much a screwed-up species with apparently no guidance at all, with the exception of our own egos. How pitiful!

In all the millions of galaxies within the universe, we find ourselves within this one called the Milky Way. With all the millions of stars within the Milky Way, we find ourselves trapped to this abysmal rock we call, the earth, which appears to be mutually locked into the attractive force of gravitation with our own star, the Sun. This phenomenon appears to be our most salient curse! Just the fact that we are here alone, left to sort things out for ourselves, with no apparent rule of law except for our consciences, which can be so easily persuaded by mass opinion, false perception, and lies.

If neither religion or law protects the defenseless, or people who are traditionally ostracized from society, then just what does make any sense for them?

We've got to help mold this rock into a better place! Not through murder or vice, but by learning to treat entire groups of people, fairly.

PS.

I hope you don't take all signatures seriously...

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Well in that diatribe you've just pretty much proved you've nothing really to say that does make sense, it is just swill.

PS - no, but then again most people wouldn't state they were Ambassadors to Transgender Community.

Dear Seanchai,

You simply don't comprehend the gravity of the situation. However, that's ok! You too, deserve the time to absorb the dire complexity of this quagmire of life. It's only through education will we ever truly come to fully appreciate the actual cause and effect relationship between public standard and the ostracized group.

A very large segment of our society will also have to come to grips with the fact that we are here, lost in space, moving at approximately 250 km/s, but swearing up and down that we are motionless. That's only because, that's what we feel. We need time to overcome our prejudicial feelings based upon pure perception.

A perception that is false and totally dependent upon our senses. Senses, which are most times, far too misleading.

Love,
Koanbred

Koanbred, dude, with each post you are getting more and more off subject. If you want to talk meta-physics and the meaning of life, please start a new thread. Let's keep this one dedicated to the news concerning Asia and those relevant topics.

Thanks

I dont see how you (Koanbread) can turn a blind eye to what happened. What exactly are you supporting her for? Just because she's transgender? You have no form of a meaningful relationship with this girl and you want her to get away with murder? That's like a skinhead's mentality. What if she's guilty? Hell, what if she's found innocent? I wouldnt wanna be around some girl that could shank me up at any given moment. On top of her still sleeping around with AIDS. I know all the facts arent available yet, but with whats been said so far makes me feel safer that someone "in the community", that was a "danger to to the community" is now locked up. I'm sorry it had to come to that, but it's better for everyone.

All I'm saying is that you have no freaking idea as to what frame of mind Asia was in when this tragedy occurred. That's because we're all missing huge segments of information.

Here we're supposed to be a transgender oriented site and people are throwing Asia under the bus, primarily based upon what her brother stated.

Just for one moment, can you imagine that you knew the identity of the person who directly gave you AIDS? Having said that, can you then imagine being smacked by that same person? If it were me I wouldn't give a darn what the legal consequences would be at that instant, and I personally don't believe that most of you would give two shakes about it either!

Just let somebody give your civil-talking asses, AIDS, and then smack you afterwards! That's worst than somebody even spitting in your face!

Yeah! It's time to get meta-physical, because that's the only place to go with something this outrageous!

We've all done regretful things in our youth. We should not be judged by juvenile behaviors like "thugging on the streets" or what have you. Those things are nowhere near the magnitude and severity of murder!

All I'm saying is, let's start out on Asia's side at least! For goodness sake, some of you actually knew her. Did she really appear to be a murderous psychopath to you? Goodness gracious! Give her a chance!

I continue to support Asia with all my heart!!!

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All I'm saying is that you have no freaking idea as to what frame of mind Asia was in when this tragedy occurred.

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Neither do you dude... neither do you.

Let's get the facts straight from what we know already.

1. Asia admitted killing her boyfriend to her Mother, Brother and the Police
2. The police allegedly reported multiple stab wounds to the boyfirends back and arms
3. Asia did not call 911
4. Vidman has suggested that Asia shared stories and memories with him about domestic violence but she did not indicate (from what has been said) that the domestic violence was inflicted by her late boyfriend.
5. The press have suggested that her boyfriend gave her HIV or AIDS

The rest we can only speculate. From what I have read about the incident in my opinion Asia would be charged with manslaughter or something similar under US state law (forgive I am not familiar with the legal system in the US). I beleive that although it appears the murder had some premeditation (mulitple stab wounds, some to the back and Asia did not call 911) it may not have been intentional or, Asia may not have been aware of her actions at the time. I think it is very likely that Asia's boyfriend gave her HIV or AIDS and domestic violence was probably present but I can only speculate as I do not know for sure. It is plausible that they argued often about these things or generally (as Asia required a knife to aide her in her fight this time). It is also likely due to her reported subdued behaviour (sitting alone on her porch. 'blacking out' during the alledged incident) that she was in a lot of shock and was perhaps not aware of her surroundings or actions at the time. Also the fact that the body was found in a blanket with a pillow would suggest to me immediate remorse as she is positioning her boyfriend into a comfortable position.

Again I can only speculate and share my opinion but, from what we know I wouldn't think that anyone could back her 100% as there is not enough information available to make such a statement especially if you don't know Asia personally. You just seem to backing her because she is a trangendered woman and happens to be attractive, in my opninion

All I will say is that i send my deepest consolences to both families affected by this tradgedy and I hope that Asia recieves a fair and unbiased trial.

Based upon what you've just stated, I think we've got a better idea than ever before!

Let's see, the boyfriend has a history of domestic violence. He is suspected of infecting Asia with the AIDS virus and addition to these horrendous things, for the last time, he smacks the crap out of her.

Had he done all of those things to you, would you yourself call 911. Why? Because you so seriously want him to have something that he so surreptitiously but intentionally has denied you from having. Yeah, right!

Even you don't believe that BS!

Koanbred, just because you feel it's ok for her to do what she did under these circumstances does not mean the rest of the human population would have done the same. I personally would never tolerate being in an abusive relationship, and don't even let violent people into my inner circle of friends.

If, for arguments sake, I was in her exact position, I absolutely would have called the police and had him arrested. In domestic violence calls, the police will arrest the offending party. There has been legal precedence were a person gets serious jail time for knowningly infecting others with HIV. I'd rather see the person in jail and suffering than dead. Once a person is dead, the suffering is over, no more to be done. At least in jail, he is stripped of his freedoms and will likely face some very troubling times.

You suggested earlier that we should be on Asia side, I disagree, I'm not going to take any side. I will sit and wait for more factual information, but I do feel that since she admitted to killing him and it wasn't a life or death situation, things probably wont be looking good for her future. Any person who would do this should do some real jail time, none of us are Above the Law.

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Koanbred, just because you feel it's ok for her to do what she did under these circumstances does not mean the rest of the human population would have done the same. I personally would never tolerate being in an abusive relationship, and don't even let violent people into my inner circle of friends.

If, for arguments sake, I was in her exact position, I absolutely would have called the police and had him arrested. In domestic violence calls, the police will arrest the offending party. There has been legal precedence were a person gets serious jail time for knowningly infecting others with HIV. I'd rather see the person in jail and suffering than dead. Once a person is dead, the suffering is over, no more to be done. At least in jail, he is stripped of his freedoms and will likely face some very troubling times.

You suggested earlier that we should be on Asia side, I disagree, I'm not going to take any side. I will sit and wait for more factual information, but I do feel that since she admitted to killing him and it wasn't a life or death situation, things probably wont be looking good for her future. Any person who would do this should do some real jail time, none of us are Above the Law.

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Good reply Remy! I hope this would put some butta on this cornbread before he takes us on an excusion to Mars or the farthest reaches of the galaxy!
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Regardless as to what opinions you may or may not harbor. Asia was in a very difficult predicament. It has been suggested that Asia may have been physically abused by Nevith. That alone encompasses a psychopathy that will open the door for temporary insanity. When we add the fact that Asia quite possibly was injected with the AIDS virus, her psychosis takes on a much more profound dimension. Then the catalyst for the actual reaction of murder quite possibly was being smacked in the face. Of course, thus far, practically all of this discussion has been derived from hearsay and assumptions, on both sides of this coin.

Since none of us were there in the apartment at the time and none of us were actually involved within their personal relationship, none of us actually know exactly what transpired or how it transpired. The best that we can do, at this time, is speculate. We're all just speculating!

Therefore, let's just give Asia the benefit of the doubt and fully support her from the bottom of all of our hearts, until more facts are released.

Love,
Koanbred

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Since none of us were there in the apartment at the time and none of us were actually involved within their personal relationship, none of us actually know exactly what transpired or how it transpired. The best that we can do, at this time, is speculate. We're all just speculating!

Therefore, let's just give Asia the benefit of the doubt and fully support her from the bottom of all of our hearts, until more facts are released.

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No YOU are speculating! Nobody else is, they're remaining calm and basing their thoughts only on the facts.

So let's turn it around and it was Asia who got murdered, for passing HIV to her boyfriend, whom would you support there?
Or how about, if the murdered boyfriend was your brother or son? Would you then be wanting to send her to jail.

Dear Seanchai,

Go back and read through the threads. When you do that, you will find that the most I've stated here on Asia's behalf, is that she's innocent until proven guilty. That assumption is afforded to her by our precious legal system. Now, if you would personally like to brand her as guilty before she has been tried by the courts, then I would say that you are not dealing with the facts and anyone in agreement with you is not dealing with the facts either. That's why we have the courts and a legal system, it's to filter through the information and to dole out the facts.

Now, sometimes the judicial system is flawed and the courts are flawed due to human imperfection. Just like the executive system is often flawed, for the same reason, we're all human and too set in our own prejudicial minds to allow ourselves time to see the truth. If this be the case, then we need to breathe deep a few times, recollect ourselves and cultivate the patience to allow the courts the time to evolve and proceed more objectively, without pressing a premature verdict. We need to do this because, sometimes the court needs extra time, in order to fully digest the information that its given.

Again we need to learn how to give traditionally oppressed group members a fair opportunity when they've been so misjudged by society's standards for so long. I truly do believe that in your heart of hearts, you really do want to see justice done in this matter and you really want the best for all parties, Asia included. To this extent, we share the same objective.

I can tell from the many comments that you've made in the past, that you're really a kind-hearted person with good taste. All I ask is that you give both Asia and the courts the time to prove just exactly how guilty or innocent she truly is, because at this point, we don't know squat.

Love,
Koanbred

Koanbred, I like you, I like that you stand up for the community and I think that's probably why I'm still posting on this thread instead of just saying "fuck it" as was my intention in an earlier post. Yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, hell even Timothy Mcveigh was, but we all know it as fact that she commited the crime. Yes, we all want her to have a fair trial. What I feel needs to be determined is the level of punishment for said crime which does still require more facts which the police through their investigation will hopefully deliver. Someone suggested a degree of Manslaughter might be what she recieves and I think thats acceptable, but if it's found that this crime was premeditated and not "in the heat of the moment", well then 1st-3rd degree murder sounds about right.

You keep trying to make this discussion about oppressed groups and what not but it wasn't an oppressed group of people that commited this crime, it was Asia, which is why she alone turned herself in.

Koanbred,
I've stated that if it wasn't going to be a fair trial based on her gender then I would have an issue - but in all your comments, you seem determined to support her, no matter what? I don't think there has been any such slant towards otherwise from the media or the authorities. Your overall attitude is that she's a transgender so needs to be treat differently.

She's a person - and she needs to be treat like any other person in the same situation. End of story.

I really do like you too, Remy!

It's because I like you, that I ask you to stand firm with me in support of Asia, until all the facts are out.

I thank you in advance for your support!

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I truly do believe that society made the path that Asia followed. This path was conducive to shaping her as an individual.

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I truly do believe that society made the path that Asia followed. This path was conducive to shaping her as an individual.

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I have had this debate with others before, and I'm split on the topic. I think in other countries where opportunities are not as prevelant as in America this may be true, but not here in the USA. I, for example, am a Military Brat, Father was in Navy (now police detective in Hawaii) and Hindu from India, and Mother in Army (now retired) Creole Catholic from Louisiana so I've always had a multi-cultural surrounding which helped shaped me into a very understanding and 'accepting of others' individual. However; I chose my own path, I refused to follow in their steps and join the Armed Forces, and I reject organized Religion in place of Spirituality (I'm Agnostic). So I chose a very different path than the friends I had, many of whom went into the military like their parents. I'm really tall so everyone wanted me to play Basketball, but in high school I leaned more towards baseball, skateboarding (until I tore my ACL) and playing in a band (bass and drums among other instruments). I also know people who came from a very hard urban life "thugging on the streets" that are now in comfortable positions with very successful companies. So while society can shape the experinces we may be exposed to, we each as individuals choose the path we shall go down.

Society didn't force Asia to be an escort and to stay in an abusive relationship, she chose those things. I've seen girls in similar situations to her (escorting/bad relationships) and seeing how hard they have it, makes it clear that, that is not a path I would want to go down. I have also met too many transexuals who are doing positive things to believe that is the only option she had. I just met a ts who does acting and has been in a few mainstream movies (though small parts) one of which just premiered in NYC two nights ago. I live down the street from a ts that works for NASA here in Va. I know a young TS (early 20's) in Philly who is a film Producer and has worked on a reality tv show in that position. We have a local asian ts that works as a teacher in Va Beach (beautiful lady but refuses to do porn :) ) I know a local ts who helped bring our TS clinic to the area and works as a shrink for the community. I've spoken online in the past with other TS that are lawyers, so I say rubbish to your "...society made the path Asia followed" statement.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

I have had this debate with others before, and I'm split on the topic. I think in other countries where opportunities are not as prevelant as in America this may be true, but not here in the USA. I, for example, am a Military Brat, Father was in Navy (now police detective in Hawaii) and Hindu from India, and Mother in Army (now retired) Creole Catholic from Louisiana so I've always had a multi-cultural surrounding which helped shaped me into a very understanding and 'accepting of others' individual. However; I chose my own path, I refused to follow in their steps and join the Armed Forces, and I reject organized Religion in place of Spirituality (I'm Agnostic). So I chose a very different path than the friends I had, many of whom went into the military like their parents. I'm really tall so everyone wanted me to play Basketball, but in high school I leaned more towards baseball, skateboarding (until I tore my ACL) and playing in a band (bass and drums among other instruments). I also know people who came from a very hard urban life "thugging on the streets" that are now in comfortable positions with very successful companies. So while society can shape the experinces we may be exposed to, we each as individuals choose the path we shall go down.

Society didn't force Asia to be an escort and to stay in an abusive relationship, she chose those things. I've seen girls in similar situations to her (escorting/bad relationships) and seeing how hard they have it, makes it clear that, that is not a path I would want to go down. I have also met too many transexuals who are doing positive things to believe that is the only option she had. I just met a ts who does acting and has been in a few mainstream movies (though small parts) one of which just premiered in NYC two nights ago. I live down the street from a ts that works for NASA here in Va. I know a young TS (early 20's) in Philly who is a film Producer and has worked on a reality tv show in that position. We have a local asian ts that works as a teacher in Va Beach (beautiful lady but refuses to do porn :) ) I know a local ts who helped bring our TS clinic to the area and works as a shrink for the community. I've spoken online in the past with other TS that are lawyers, so I say rubbish to your "...society made the path Asia followed" statement.

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I think this is the best post I've ever read of yours. Beautifully spoken. i feel the same way and believe the same exact thing.

Hey Remy,

Your argument is so reminiscent of the 60's and 70's when people were saying, that "negroes" were just making it hard for themselves and that if they really wanted to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, that they could. However, all along, discrimination in all of the major institutions of learning, manufacturing, and engineering was running rampant. Everyone was aware of just how prevalent racism was, but they would still say these ridiculous things.

Today, we have the same situation with Transgenders. Everyone is aware that they're being discriminated against. Everyone is aware that this discrimination is pervasive. However, there's still this big question mark over their heads. Are they crazy? Are they mentally-ill? Do we really want to work and live with them? Do we want them actually coming into contact with our children? It's questions like these that I truly believe are retarding transgender inclusion and passing of ENDA.

So yes, we like to acknowledge and highlight the few successful extractions from the transgender community. However, as you must know, reality reflects a much dimmer picture from the transgender community. Most are on some type of governmental financial assitance. Many are high school drop-outs because they just couldn't take the harassment and gender pressure anymore. Many are high school drop-outs because they were kicked out of their homes as juveniles and were therefore, rendered homeless as teenagers. The same is true for many gay teens. Far too many transgenders make their living via sex-work and the adult entertainment industry.

The cards of life are heavily stacked against them. So love, to your argument, I say, poppycock!

Crazy and Mentally-ill are perhaps too strong of words. By default anyone experincing gender-dsymorphia should seek psychiatric help of some sort, and this is required to attain SRS and/or government assistance. This shouldn't be looked upon as a bad thing. Many citizens seek psychiatric help for a wide variety of issues, and this is no different.

"...few successful extractions from the transgender community" You are on a porn forum, of which many of us photogs find easy recruitment for models from the portion of this community that is already exposed to the sex business. There are other venues where you will find this group to be the minority. Yes, too many find themselves performing escort work. Life isn't fair or easy for anyone. You keep trying to make it sound as if there is some brick wall preventing transgendered people from acheiving success and/or gainful employment (recession aside) and that is just bullshit. Yes, discrimination exist, but too often that is simply the excuse the lazy use to explain away why they chose escorting and not the actual reality of the matter.

You really want to help transexuals in society, gather up the girls you know personally and help them find gainful employment. Make them understand the importance of having a job and that escorting should only be a means to an end not their life long goal. Do something about the concerns you have, take them to a support group, a job training seminar or something. I mean no disrespect, but I've seen post by you where it seems the girls you know are taking advantage of your kindness. I've been there too. Surround yourself with girls that want to rise above their problems, that are willing to help themselves, and help them. It sounds mean and cold, but don't waste your time, energy, and resources with girls that will just try to slowly milk you dry when there are so many that can better appreciate your efforts.

I have to say, I don't like how you tried to turn your nose up to transexuals in the "adult entertainment industry". I decided to apply to work for Grooby specifically to help the girls make legal money and get away from the pitfalls and dangers of escorting. I wish I still had my original email I sent to Grooby asking to be a photog. This is an opportunity for them, sometimes a career, sometimes just another 'means to an end'. As I've said before, I try to empower every model I meet in the ways that I can, not exploit them. I deeply applaud Grooby for giving so many girls a chance to make money and make a name for themselves in this business, and there are few others (in this Industry) that try as much as Grooby does to pay respect and homage to the transgender community, and I thank Seanchai so much for allowing me to be a small part of it.

I have had very few regrets since joining Grooby, but there is one model that always comes to mind where I am still thinking "did I do the right thing". To explain a little more, when I first met this model from Richmond, she was just barely 19 and working a regular job and hadn't yet been exposed to the Adult Industry of Porn or escorting (to my knowledge she doesn't escort at all). When we worked together she quickly became a Yum favorite and probably one of the most popular models on that site, certainly one of the most successful models that I found and brought to the world of Porn. We were very good friends and she was so sweet and kind hearted. She moved from Va to more popular urban cities to further pursue her new found career in porn and to my knowledge is doing well in the business. However; I don't really speak with her like we used to and from what others have reported, her demeanor and attitude has changed greatly from what I knew her to be. It hurts me deeply to know that I played a small part in creating such a change in her, though business wise it has been good for her. I sometimes wonder, did I really do the right thing (?), where would she be now if I hadn't recruited her (?), but at the end of the day, she made her own decisions and I feel it's perhaps the people she chose to surround herself with that lead to the change in her attitude, and not the fact that I brought her to porn. We provided her with a lot of work, and money that I know she needed at the time. I do miss my friend though, and I try to rest my mind in the fact that she is doing well for herself, that she took advantage of the opportunity we presented and she ran with it with real dedication and goals in mind. I wish her well in all her endeavors. *ok that's enough of that, I've made myself weepy eyed thinking back to my friend whom I've drifted apart from*

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Originally Posted by kilakali

Man.. you are so wrong on your assumptions. Asia is reckless she is a react first think later person.. I can tell you never spent time with her or you would know. She has a kind heart but as i said she doesnt think first and can be a loose canon.

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Right on the money, Kali. Don't let those little innocent photoshoots fool you, she is not innocent by any means. She was a thug at heart. Not only that, but she never was a traveling businesswoman. She escorted right there in Philly. Never left the state unless it was a personal trip, but NEVER for business.

Hey Remy!

I didn't mean to cast any aspersions upon the adult entertainment industry. The adult entertainment industry has put food on the table for many of its models and I'm personally glad to see that it exists due to obviously many reasons, as I too, am a happy subscriber. I'm certainly thankful that it has been used as a financial resource to the many of the models who have exploited its availability. It's just that, for the upwardly mobile, educated, and financially successful individual, I don't think that the adult entertainment industry would be her first choice.

Gender dysphoria, is another topic altogether. Most tgirls that I'm aware of, are not depressed and have no dysphoria, because, both mentally and psychologically-speaking, the are living out their "true" genders. Since gender, is psychological and sex is physical, I truly do believe that their correct gender is expressed by how they both think and feel. Their sexual genitalia is just that, their sexual genitalia!

The only people experiencing gender dysphoria are those girls who are still living the lie of being men, when actually, they know that their true feelings about who they really are deep inside, is just the total opposite! Those people are the one's in need of drugs and psychotherapy, because they are suffering from depression. Most Tgirls aren't depressed at all!

Also, this venue is not the best for determining the overall success rate of the entire transgender community. Many studies and surveys have been done on the financial status of the MTF transgender community. They are below the poverty level! Only a few can attest to good earnings with benefits. The rest can be accurately categorized as defeated with a "basement" mentality, or perhaps socially exhausted. I would not cast them as, "lazy".

I am always so very proud of the ones who make it!

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Originally Posted by vidman

Right on the money, Kali. Don't let those little innocent photoshoots fool you, she is not innocent by any means. She was a thug at heart. Not only that, but she never was a traveling businesswoman. She escorted right there in Philly. Never left the state unless it was a personal trip, but NEVER for business.

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Ok, Vman! Please tell me that you didn't use to be her friend!!!

God forbid that someone uses your quote in her trial...FRIEND!

YIKES!!!!

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Ok, Vman! Please tell me that you didn't use to be her friend!!!

God forbid that someone uses your quote in her trial...FRIEND!

YIKES!!!!

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Say what? uhh, cornbread, I've read your ridiculous posts and have journeyed with you to Mars and other galaxies while you tirade on with your nonsense and rhetoric. Let's keep this simple dude. Regardless of whether Asia was my friend or not, I'm quite sure that anything typed on this site is far from submissable in the court of law so it really doesn't matter what I say on here. Afterall, I doubt if you know my real name, Mr. Cornbread. Unlike you, I support Asia from a standpoint of personal association. Afterall, I have known her for a very long time. Your support is dictated merely by her being a transsexual and that you have unconditional support for t-girls. If you didn't love transsexuals, I'm sure Asia wouldn't have your unconditional support. In my case, I support her because I know her on all levels. Even if it does turn out that she maliciously killed this guy, I would still support her, but I wouldn't condone what she did. I would support her in the ways of hoping she's okay while she serves her prison time. I would support her in the ways of hoping that she can deal with the rest of her life in jail, mentally. That doesn't mean that I would support her even though she killed someone out of malice. You sir, support anything she does, right or wrong, just because you like t-girls. Again, ridiculous rhetoric coming from someone who seems quite intelligent.

Well said Vidman. :cool:

Ok Vman!

It's just that to say, "She was a thug at heart" seems a bit damning to me. If I was truly a life long friend or even an associate who's known her for some time, I would have reserved that comment for familiar people. I wouldn't have stated that over the internet. That's all I'm saying...

If you really think about it, this thugging stuff was most probably something that she did in her youth, right?

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Originally Posted by vidman

Say what? uhh, cornbread, I've read your ridiculous posts and have journeyed with you to Mars and other galaxies while you tirade on with your nonsense and rhetoric. Let's keep this simple dude. Regardless of whether Asia was my friend or not, I'm quite sure that anything typed on this site is far from submissable in the court of law so it really doesn't matter what I say on here. Afterall, I doubt if you know my real name, Mr. Cornbread. Unlike you, I support Asia from a standpoint of personal association. Afterall, I have known her for a very long time. Your support is dictated merely by her being a transsexual and that you have unconditional support for t-girls. If you didn't love transsexuals, I'm sure Asia wouldn't have your unconditional support. In my case, I support her because I know her on all levels. Even if it does turn out that she maliciously killed this guy, I would still support her, but I wouldn't condone what she did. I would support her in the ways of hoping she's okay while she serves her prison time. I would support her in the ways of hoping that she can deal with the rest of her life in jail, mentally. That doesn't mean that I would support her even though she killed someone out of malice. You sir, support anything she does, right or wrong, just because you like t-girls. Again, ridiculous rhetoric coming from someone who seems quite intelligent.

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Amen Vid, very well said!
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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

Amen Vid, very well said!
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Gee, thanks Surf. :D