DSLR cameras: What's your weapon of choice?

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Originally Posted by eclectic_co

Remy,

Me either, but I am curious if it would make a difference to the comfort level of an inexperienced model?

your thoughts?

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Hell no, lol, the photog would look like some amatuer fool pretending to be a real photographer. I think what really throws the girls off, is the lighting, as it can be intense, especially with the bright strobes, and very bright hotlights. Also some are just very nervous, they aren't posing for a DMV shot here, they are stripping nude and playing with themselves. Despite what many think, these girls aren't just fuck machines, they aren't necessarily going to be instantly into it.

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Originally Posted by nycguy

I'm with ya, I stepped into digital with a Alpha 100, Still use the Mamiya 645 for my more serious work. Love both cameras.

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Its good to see another Alpha user among the sea of Nikon's and Canon's.

Remy,

I would agree completely in cameras past.. but these new pocket cameras that can shoot 1080p I am wondering about some uses for them. Now don't get me wrong. I am not implying that they do or will put the professional camera out of the market just that they might have some use for documentary or comfort level.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Hell no, lol, the photog would look like some amatuer fool pretending to be a real photographer. I think what really throws the girls off, is the lighting, as it can be intense, especially with the bright strobes, and very bright hotlights. Also some are just very nervous, they aren't posing for a DMV shot here, they are stripping nude and playing with themselves. Despite what many think, these girls aren't just fuck machines, they aren't necessarily going to be instantly into it.

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Originally Posted by eclectic_co

Remy,

I would agree completely in cameras past.. but these new pocket cameras that can shoot 1080p I am wondering about some uses for them. Now don't get me wrong. I am not implying that they do or will put the professional camera out of the market just that they might have some use for documentary or comfort level.

:rolleyes:

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Yes, point and shoot cameras are capable of capturing decent photos for web consumption (i.e. Internet profiles, photos albums). Point and shoot and cheap dual purpose cameras are a FAIL for professional purposes. You want to run around taking pics and vids of friends and family out and about having a good time, cool beans. If you want to deliver a product for a company to buy from you, sorry but no. I think I'm kind of biased on this, as I feel it's a bit disrespectful to even think of using some sub-par content producing device. Look at it this way. You sign up for a casting call, you get a gig, show up on set for what's supposed to be next big Hollywood film. All the cameramen are filming with little pink camcorders they can tuck away in their backpocket and it tells you the sports score all at once. Instead of using proper lighting they have some cheap Home Depot setup with regular light bulbs creating god awful shadows and harsh lighting, which they pass as being their lighting equipment. Are you going to feel comfortable about the production level of content you are about to be in? I'd rather know they are using the best tech available to deliver on a great performance.

I mean no offense, but are you a photographer? I think I may be losing you, perhaps you don't know how involved a photoshoot is. Especially a porn photoshoot, where it's your money that you are paying model and location out of pocket for, hoping (it's never guaranteed) the company will buy the content from you so you can make your money back and (maybe) have a little profit. Of course, it could be me, as I've stated, I've had no desire to use a consumer grade product and have done no research into their progress as far as true quality that meets some standards. So wow me, convince me there is some pocket camera out there that is worth using in a professional aspect. Provide some links to a specific camera and I will look at the specs and try and find pics used by said device. There is more to taking photos and vids than having x-amount of megapixels, or 1080p resolution. I'm not saying there isn't some uber device that'll truely deliver in any way possible out there, I just don't know about it. However; I still wont use a point and shoot camera as I KNOW that isn't what makes models uncomfortable in the first place, so it's not really resolving any issue at all. I personally feel, that out of all the photogs, I need to step it up the most in serving quality content, so in my mind, I can't fathom using anyting less than what I already have at my disposal.

Just to let you know where the industry is heading. Now this is not a pocket camera. But before the release of the 5D no one would have thought of doing this. :eek:

I am just speculating where the industry and technology is headed.


http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/c...-finale-direc/

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Yes, point and shoot cameras are capable of capturing decent photos for web consumption (i.e. Internet profiles, photos albums). Point and shoot and cheap dual purpose cameras are a FAIL for professional purposes. You want to run around taking pics and vids of friends and family out and about having a good time, cool beans. If you want to deliver a product for a company to buy from you, sorry but no. I think I'm kind of biased on this, as I feel it's a bit disrespectful to even think of using some sub-par content producing device. Look at it this way. You sign up for a casting call, you get a gig, show up on set for what's supposed to be next big Hollywood film. All the cameramen are filming with little pink camcorders they can tuck away in their backpocket and it tells you the sports score all at once. Instead of using proper lighting they have some cheap Home Depot setup with regular light bulbs creating god awful shadows and harsh lighting, which they pass as being their lighting equipment. Are you going to feel comfortable about the production level of content you are about to be in? I'd rather know they are using the best tech available to deliver on a great performance.

I mean no offense, but are you a photographer? I think I may be losing you, perhaps you don't know how involved a photoshoot is. Especially a porn photoshoot, where it's your money that you are paying model and location out of pocket for, hoping (it's never guaranteed) the company will buy the content from you so you can make your money back and (maybe) have a little profit. Of course, it could be me, as I've stated, I've had no desire to use a consumer grade product and have done no research into their progress as far as true quality that meets some standards. So wow me, convince me there is some pocket camera out there that is worth using in a professional aspect. Provide some links to a specific camera and I will look at the specs and try and find pics used by said device. There is more to taking photos and vids than having x-amount of megapixels, or 1080p resolution. I'm not saying there isn't some uber device that'll truely deliver in any way possible out there, I just don't know about it. However; I still wont use a point and shoot camera as I KNOW that isn't what makes models uncomfortable in the first place, so it's not really resolving any issue at all. I personally feel, that out of all the photogs, I need to step it up the most in serving quality content, so in my mind, I can't fathom using anyting less than what I already have at my disposal.

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Originally Posted by eclectic_co

Just to let you know where the industry is heading. Now this is not a pocket camera. But before the release of the 5D no one would have thought of doing this. :eek:

I am just speculating where the industry and technology is headed.


http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/c...-finale-direc/

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Dammit, I posted two paragraphs just for that response ^ No this doesn't qualify at all. For the record I do believe Nikon (?)came out with the first HD DSLR not Canon's 5D so someone was thinking of doing it.

I already know of this DSLR camera, we aren't referring to these cams at all. I know about the 5D already, I know it's a fantastic camera. I totally know what it's capable of, we talked about it earlier...in this thread *sheesh* :p I personally don't use the 5D because I already have a capable HD camcorder, which meets company requirements for archival purposes, which the 5D doesn't. The whole point you were making, was using the small point and shoot camera instead of DSLR. This portion of the topic is really starting to seem redundant now. Yes, if you are filming multimillion dollar budget tv shows, commercials and such with certified actors, perfect lighting and proven talent the 5D is a perfect tool. Now shooting a $.... budget :) solo girl porn production, with no acting/performing talent, well that's just a little overkill. I can imagine the huge number of 10 Gig memory cards would be needed for the video segments. When I currently upload vids they come out over 10gigs btw. Not to mention most of us schedule many shoots back to back so the 45mins needed to upload video and another 20 mins to upload pics all seems like a waste of precious time. Yes, if I'm some rich fuck with loads of money and not caring about making a profit and just want to be around naked trannies, yes I would use 6 separate 5D's all at once and create masterfully shot 10min solo girl scenes. She'll probably be scared out of her mind by all the equipment but who cares the camera shoots HD and still photos Hooray :rolleyes: *Side Note* I shoot at 1080p now, if it doens't look that way it's because we have to downgrade vid some for easy web consumption, less you want to spend hour and half downloading one 10 minute video.

Your point was to show how using a point and shoot INSTEAD of a DSLR will make models [On a porn shoot] more comfortable. Professional models woudnt have a comfort issue anyway. DSLR's all have similar look so how will using an even more expensive DSLR + Mic fittings added on for audio [You are FAIL if using on board Mic] will make the model more comfortable? By the way, the 5D has NO software to negate camera shake so it has to be used on Tripod, which goes against the Gonzo style of shooting we do here. There is also NO auto focus with HD video side of the 5D so it will take an extremely skilled, patient, photog and model to create what you want, drastically increasing the workflow of what should be a simply shoot. Please, actually do the research on the camera before recommending it.

Not sure on current prices for the 5D now that newer model (I think ?) is out, but I will assume it's probably in the $2500 range for body only. I still can't justify the price of the separate lens (the best lens start around $1000+) that would be needed specifically for HD video use. Do I want a 5D, sure mostly for the FULL FRAME not the damn HD Video which is an admittedly nice perk, would I use it on our shoots here, maybe with the right girl who wouldn't waste my time and effort. Will it make the models more comfortable... NO!

Sorry if I come off as mean it's not my intention, the best thing the now nearly year old 5D offers to a photographer is the Full Frame Sensor, any photog should realize that first and foremost. It's these kind of components that are not in point and shoot cameras which make DSLR's the cameras to use by professionals and drives up the price of the device considerably. You can search tech sites and see a wide range of Proof of Concept devices which may be available in some distant future (10+years) but massively expensive cameras that can do all manner of things. I saw one camera at a convention with the equivalent of 250 lens all each focusing independantly (kind of like a fly eye) to deliver the pefect shot all the time. No price tag as it cost millions just to create the concept device they had showing. So yes I know where the industry is going, but lets get back from the future and talk about what's currently available.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Yes, point and shoot cameras are capable of capturing decent photos for web consumption (i.e. Internet profiles, photos albums). Point and shoot and cheap dual purpose cameras are a FAIL for professional purposes. You want to run around taking pics and vids of friends and family out and about having a good time, cool beans. If you want to deliver a product for a company to buy from you, sorry but no. I think I'm kind of biased on this, as I feel it's a bit disrespectful to even think of using some sub-par content producing device. Look at it this way. You sign up for a casting call, you get a gig, show up on set for what's supposed to be next big Hollywood film. All the cameramen are filming with little pink camcorders they can tuck away in their backpocket and it tells you the sports score all at once. Instead of using proper lighting they have some cheap Home Depot setup with regular light bulbs creating god awful shadows and harsh lighting, which they pass as being their lighting equipment. Are you going to feel comfortable about the production level of content you are about to be in? I'd rather know they are using the best tech available to deliver on a great performance.

I mean no offense, but are you a photographer? I think I may be losing you, perhaps you don't know how involved a photoshoot is. Especially a porn photoshoot, where it's your money that you are paying model and location out of pocket for, hoping (it's never guaranteed) the company will buy the content from you so you can make your money back and (maybe) have a little profit. Of course, it could be me, as I've stated, I've had no desire to use a consumer grade product and have done no research into their progress as far as true quality that meets some standards. So wow me, convince me there is some pocket camera out there that is worth using in a professional aspect. Provide some links to a specific camera and I will look at the specs and try and find pics used by said device. There is more to taking photos and vids than having x-amount of megapixels, or 1080p resolution. I'm not saying there isn't some uber device that'll truely deliver in any way possible out there, I just don't know about it. However; I still wont use a point and shoot camera as I KNOW that isn't what makes models uncomfortable in the first place, so it's not really resolving any issue at all. I personally feel, that out of all the photogs, I need to step it up the most in serving quality content, so in my mind, I can't fathom using anyting less than what I already have at my disposal.

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That's too funny "rocking Home Depot lights". :D

Truly enjoyed reading your responses. And I do understand your sentiments
about the Canon 5D.

Though I do get the sense that there is a market demand for a good DSLR,
and HD video camera combo at a decent price point. Folks really would like
to have the best of both worlds, without breaking the bank.

The pro will stick with dedicated devices, they won't want a "Swiss Army
knife". And the average user, Mom and Pop, shooting baby photos of little
Tyrese and Shaniqua will be more than happy with the point and shoots.

But the prosumer is going to demand something better, and I feel that
manufacturers will feed this need at some point.

Remy,

Do not worry you are not coming off as mean. It is all good.
I re-posted the 5D information as a means of qualifying my speculations on the pocket cameras and where they might be in the NEAR future. In the above postings the use of the 5D in professional production was not covered. From what I can discover the Nikon was not first but neither was the 5D.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...lrs.this.year/

Also, I think you confused my point. It was not to show anything, it was to speculate on the future and gain insight to the thoughts of other photographers on the site. I hope you don't confuse my speculation on what is coming in the NEAR future with what I use currently or even with what I like.
I just wanted other folks thoughts on the pocket cameras and you and Peggyee provided.

Thanks to both of you for your insights.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Dammit, I posted two paragraphs just for that response ^ No this doesn't qualify at all. For the record I do believe Nikon (?)came out with the first HD DSLR not Canon's 5D so someone was thinking of doing it.

I already know of this DSLR camera, we aren't referring to these cams at all. I know about the 5D already, I know it's a fantastic camera. I totally know what it's capable of, we talked about it earlier...in this thread *sheesh* :p I personally don't use the 5D because I already have a capable HD camcorder, which meets company requirements for archival purposes, which the 5D doesn't. The whole point you were making, was using the small point and shoot camera instead of DSLR. This portion of the topic is really starting to seem redundant now. Yes, if you are filming multimillion dollar budget tv shows, commercials and such with certified actors, perfect lighting and proven talent the 5D is a perfect tool. Now shooting a $.... budget :) solo girl porn production, with no acting/performing talent, well that's just a little overkill. I can imagine the huge number of 10 Gig memory cards would be needed for the video segments. When I currently upload vids they come out over 10gigs btw. Not to mention most of us schedule many shoots back to back so the 45mins needed to upload video and another 20 mins to upload pics all seems like a waste of precious time. Yes, if I'm some rich fuck with loads of money and not caring about making a profit and just want to be around naked trannies, yes I would use 6 separate 5D's all at once and create masterfully shot 10min solo girl scenes. She'll probably be scared out of her mind by all the equipment but who cares the camera shoots HD and still photos Hooray :rolleyes: *Side Note* I shoot at 1080p now, if it doens't look that way it's because we have to downgrade vid some for easy web consumption, less you want to spend hour and half downloading one 10 minute video.

Your point was to show how using a point and shoot INSTEAD of a DSLR will make models [On a porn shoot] more comfortable. Professional models woudnt have a comfort issue anyway. DSLR's all have similar look so how will using an even more expensive DSLR + Mic fittings added on for audio [You are FAIL if using on board Mic] will make the model more comfortable? By the way, the 5D has NO software to negate camera shake so it has to be used on Tripod, which goes against the Gonzo style of shooting we do here. There is also NO auto focus with HD video side of the 5D so it will take an extremely skilled, patient, photog and model to create what you want, drastically increasing the workflow of what should be a simply shoot. Please, actually do the research on the camera before recommending it.

Not sure on current prices for the 5D now that newer model (I think ?) is out, but I will assume it's probably in the $2500 range for body only. I still can't justify the price of the separate lens (the best lens start around $1000+) that would be needed specifically for HD video use. Do I want a 5D, sure mostly for the FULL FRAME not the damn HD Video which is an admittedly nice perk, would I use it on our shoots here, maybe with the right girl who wouldn't waste my time and effort. Will it make the models more comfortable... NO!

Sorry if I come off as mean it's not my intention, the best thing the now nearly year old 5D offers to a photographer is the Full Frame Sensor, any photog should realize that first and foremost. It's these kind of components that are not in point and shoot cameras which make DSLR's the cameras to use by professionals and drives up the price of the device considerably. You can search tech sites and see a wide range of Proof of Concept devices which may be available in some distant future (10+years) but massively expensive cameras that can do all manner of things. I saw one camera at a convention with the equivalent of 250 lens all each focusing independantly (kind of like a fly eye) to deliver the pefect shot all the time. No price tag as it cost millions just to create the concept device they had showing. So yes I know where the industry is going, but lets get back from the future and talk about what's currently available.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

That's too funny "rocking Home Depot lights". :D

Truly enjoyed reading your responses. And I do understand your sentiments
about the Canon 5D.

Though I do get the sense that there is a market demand for a good DSLR,
and HD video camera combo at a decent price point. Folks really would like
to have the best of both worlds, without breaking the bank.

The pro will stick with dedicated devices, they won't want a "Swiss Army
knife". And the average user, Mom and Pop, shooting baby photos of little
Tyrese and Shaniqua will be more than happy with the point and shoots.

But the prosumer is going to demand something better, and I feel that
manufacturers will feed this need at some point.

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Indeed, I do think the 5D is great camera, just very expensive (considering lens and accessories) for that same point and shoot demographic so I felt it was a poor example. However; your example of the Panasonic was spot on and more in line with what I was expecting to see. I went and looked around a few reviews for it, and personally, I still wouldn't want it for MY use, but looks fairly capable and vids well-suited for the youtube kind of usage (ease to upload vids, etc.). Outdoor pictures I saw with this camera were good, indoor pics were so-so. In the right hands I'm sure it can still be put to good use.

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Originally Posted by eclectic_co

Remy,

Do not worry you are not coming off as mean. It is all good.
I re-posted the 5D information as a means of qualifying my speculations on the pocket cameras and where they might be in the NEAR future. In the above postings the use of the 5D in professional production was not covered. From what I can discover the Nikon was not first but neither was the 5D.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...lrs.this.year/

Also, I think you confused my point. It was not to show anything, it was to speculate on the future and gain insight to the thoughts of other photographers on the site. I hope you don't confuse my speculation on what is coming in the NEAR future with what I use currently or even with what I like.
I just wanted other folks thoughts on the pocket cameras and you and Peggyee provided.

Thanks to both of you for your insights.

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First I do want to apologize, I was pms-ing and you didn't deserve my flippant remarks. You are fairly new to our forum and I've already enjoyed your questions and comments here, thank you.

Interesting link, 39 point AF is very drool inducing. I wont be switching to Nikon but nice to see what they have lined up.

Really, if you do photography as a hobby, ditch the point and shoot and get a low end Canon or Nikon DSLR. They have loads more features, are only a couple hundred more than the top of the line point and shoot cameras. While you may lose the HD component the point and shoot cameras may have, you will gain the ability to switch lenses. That is another crucial feature for a photog, to be able to switch lens for whatever application presents itself. I carry 5 different lens wherever my camera goes. I've also recently started playing around with different lens during shoots, though none that are currently up, I think Luxury and Chastity Kane 'coming soon' were the first shoots I started using multiple lens with.