Is it fair for TS to critisize men for not taking on their battle?

It's also kind of sidestepping. Like what if in Braveheart everyone just said to the one guy " Well I mean... they really only killed your wife... sooo... I mean y'know... We're just gonna go back in the house. Yeeaaah. "

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

It's also kind of sidestepping. Like what if in Braveheart everyone just said to the one guy " Well I mean... they really only killed your wife... sooo... I mean y'know... We're just gonna go back in the house. Yeeaaah. "

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lol "...to the one guy" = William Wallace.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

lol "...to the one guy" = William Wallace.

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Yeah, I did indeed neglect to mention the name. I didn't even realize I'd forgotten it. Also because I was trying to decide between using him, or the other guy whose wife had been soiled.

But yeah, over all, this fellow seems to be rather ashamed of what he's doing and I guess that's sort of the thrill for him. That being said, escorts are for you. Not girls looking for real relationships.

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lol still missing the point. Life obviously isn't "perfectly content" if running and hiding and coming here in secret. That's the mouse scratching to get free of it's cage. The tiger in it's zoo pen may feel it's in it's proper environment, but let that tiger run free in the jungle and you'll see real happiness. I'm not saying that people wont judge, I am saying that their judgement doesn't matter, it means nothing, the only weight their judgement holds is in what you allow it to hold. To hell with Atlanta and LA, you are still in America and there are openly gay and trans people and admirers all around in every state. This issue is as baseless and excuse driven as "ts escort because they can't find jobs" in my opinion.

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yeah you are right perfectly content is not the right term. But more content in many cases. Again, this is the rock and hard place again. There really isn't a jungle for most TS admirers to go to if their current cage rejects them. They live lifestyles of heterosexual men. If that cage rejects them, what jungle do they go to? The vibrant tranny chaser community lol?? Didn't know there was such a thing.This isn't like a gay dude coming out who can then be part of that gay culture, which is large.

As a side note, most dudes into TS are only into the porn. I am not sure about how many TS admirers actually every have any physical interaction, because you don't see hot TS everyday walking down the street, and many don't want to do the escort thing. So I bet most dudes into TS are only watching porn of them. Do you think they need to be freed from their cages too? What would they gain by "coming out" in this case?

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Yeah, I did indeed neglect to mention the name. I didn't even realize I'd forgotten it. Also because I was trying to decide between using him, or the other guy whose wife had been soiled.

But yeah, over all, this fellow seems to be rather ashamed of what he's doing and I guess that's sort of the thrill for him. That being said, escorts are for you. Not girls looking for real relationships.

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I am not ashamed, I personally am in the "don't give a fuck what others think of me" category because that is my nature in all things, this case being no different. But to expect that from everyone does not make sense. It goes against human nature. We do what is in our best interest. And if the truth would change someone's life for the worse, some things are better left unsaid.. This isn't an emotionally charged issue for me since I've never been treated like a dirty little secret, so I probably like sensitivity there and I understand why this can be an emotional issue. But they have to put the shoe on the other foot to understand the man's dilemma as well.

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yeah you are right perfectly content is not the right term. But more content in many cases. Again, this is the rock and hard place again. There really isn't a jungle for most TS admirers to go to if their current cage rejects them. They live lifestyles of heterosexual men. If that cage rejects them, what jungle do they go to? The vibrant tranny chaser community lol?? Didn't know there was such a thing.This isn't like a gay dude coming out who can then be part of that gay culture, which is large.

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*sigh* Ok, I'm giving you some info I don't normally share, but what the hell, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem eh.

There are events held usually monthly called 'Munch'. Any major city has one going on and you will not notice unless you are part of said Munch. Munch is a meeting of like minded individuals, started by the BDSM community but has grown since. Everyone meets in casual attire somewhere like Applebees (my fav chain restaurant) or any pub or restaurant, and everyone is into TS and ts also are present. The munch allows the curious to talk to like minded folk and socialize in public without fear of incrimination. Newbs will usually have a 'safe' person that is very 'vanilla' (normal looking) you can approach to ask a question or if you want to be introduced to someone. You've neglected to state where you are located, but I'm positive if it's one of at least 48 states, there is a Munch going on near you.

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As a side note, most dudes into TS are only into the porn. I am not sure about how many TS admirers actually every have any physical interaction, because you don't see hot TS everyday walking down the street, and many don't want to do the escort thing. So I bet most dudes into TS are only watching porn of them. Do you think they need to be freed from their cages too? What would they gain by "coming out" in this case?

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Your side note is not a fact, that's just a statement you are pulling from the ether. Actually, you probably do see TS everyday walking down the street, they just are not broadcasting that they are ts. All animals, yes humans are animals, should be freed from their cages. Freedom is that precious nectar that is gained. Seriously, when you go to the zoo or SeaWorld, none of those animals want to be there, it's not like the world is a better place because we've caged these animals for human viewing pleasure. They want to be free, and many will die from the mental stress of being caged, and the same can be said for humans.

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*sigh* Ok, I'm giving you some info I don't normally share, but what the hell, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem eh.

There are events held usually monthly called 'Munch'. Any major city has one going on and you will not notice unless you are part of said Munch. Munch is a meeting of like minded individuals, started by the BDSM community but has grown since. Everyone meets in casual attire somewhere like Applebees (my fav chain restaurant) or any pub or restaurant, and everyone is into TS and ts also are present. The munch allows the curious to talk to like minded folk and socialize in public without fear of incrimination. Newbs will usually have a 'safe' person that is very 'vanilla' (normal looking) you can approach to ask a question or if you want to be introduced to someone. You've neglected to state where you are located, but I'm positive if it's one of at least 48 states, there is a Munch going on near you.

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......How come you never told me about this? >_> I'm hurt Remy, you cut me deep... real deep.

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......How come you never told me about this? >_> I'm hurt Remy, you cut me deep... real deep.

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Dude, you are in NY, there are so many things going on, clubs, t-parties, everything under the sun is happening there. Also, I like to step out sometimes and not be the "porn producer", I just want to be. One of ways I've found so many women that are into trans :D

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*sigh* Ok, I'm giving you some info I don't normally share, but what the hell, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem eh.

There are events held usually monthly called 'Munch'. Any major city has one going on and you will not notice unless you are part of said Munch. Munch is a meeting of like minded individuals, started by the BDSM community but has grown since. Everyone meets in casual attire somewhere like Applebees (my fav chain restaurant) or any pub or restaurant, and everyone is into TS and ts also are present. The munch allows the curious to talk to like minded folk and socialize in public without fear of incrimination. Newbs will usually have a 'safe' person that is very 'vanilla' (normal looking) you can approach to ask a question or if you want to be introduced to someone. You've neglected to state where you are located, but I'm positive if it's one of at least 48 states, there is a Munch going on near you.



Your side note is not a fact, that's just a statement you are pulling from the ether. Actually, you probably do see TS everyday walking down the street, they just are not broadcasting that they are ts. All animals, yes humans are animals, should be freed from their cages. Freedom is that precious nectar that is gained. Seriously, when you go to the zoo or SeaWorld, none of those animals want to be there, it's not like the world is a better place because we've caged these animals for human viewing pleasure. They want to be free, and many will die from the mental stress of being caged, and the same can be said for humans.

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where is much atl?:)

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All animals, yes humans are animals, should be freed from their cages. Freedom is that precious nectar that is gained. Seriously, when you go to the zoo or SeaWorld, none of those animals want to be there, it's not like the world is a better place because we've caged these animals for human viewing pleasure. They want to be free, and many will die from the mental stress of being caged, and the same can be said for humans.

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Deep stuff, generally true, but not necessarily so in every case imo. Those animals definitely do want to be in the ocean rather than their cages, and yet there are definitely worse places they could be than their (very nice) prison. If the fish broke out of it's cage, it would land on the floor and suffocate, because there's no ocean in sight. That is the rock and the hard place. Like you mentioned with much though, I guess there are clandestine routes to the ocean.