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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

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The flipside to your "case against black men" could very easily be, why not just accomodate the dudes and let them wear a mask or face covering...what the hell are you looking at their faces for? I mean, if it really is that hard why not let em put a mask on so long as there dicks stay hard and they do fuck all night? I just don't get all this shit...simple solutions on both ends...everybody's happy...

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This is hardly a "case against black men" it is just a response to the outcry on this forum for more scenes with black males . . . we do not want you guys to think we don't listen to your requests . . . so we have explained the reason why we do not shoot more scenes with black male talent.

The mask is not a solution as the girls are not pleased performing with a guy who is "embarassed" to be seen with them . . . and viewers like to see expressions on both performers faces. If the girl gives great head you know it by the expression on the male talents face. If her ass is good you know it by the expression on the male talent's face.

So what seems like a simple solution unfortunately is not.

Thanks!

PK Vegas

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Originally Posted by roninva

Wanted to add, if you're a guy wanting to do porn with GG you will totally blow that chance with a lot of the GG porn stars, most of them will not knowingly do a scene with a guy who does Gay or TS porn. there is a small few who will but for the most part once it's out that is what you do they will not work with you...... period
now there are some guys who have started out in gay porn and transition to females, but they are very few and a lot of the straight porn guys will not do a scene with a female you may have worked with, usually the GG who careers are on the wane or newbie will do the crossover guys for the most part.

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This has always been an issue with a few exceptions. Christian has managed to grow his career despite everyone in "straight" knowing about his gay and TS performances. He has now started producing for one of the largest straight companies on the web. They have no problem with it. Some of the biggest male talent names started in gay - Peter North for example. He has worked with every big name girl there is. I think the determining factor is if female talent sees the guy as responsible and knows he is working with tested talent and being careful. Unfortunately our niche is not known for being the safest so some people approach it with a closed mind . .. but I trust this will continue to get better as we move into the future.

Thanks!

PK Vegas

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Originally Posted by nycguy

Sounds good if it works for you! For those more closely associated with the "black norm" things are different. Every persons situation is unique to them. There is no across the board solution to how we want to be percieved or treated by those whose opinons we value. Those in a position to say fuck em all! cool! but most are not as inclined.

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That is why you're the guy from the apple! Very well said, 'guy.
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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

Also,

The flipside to your "case against black men" could very easily be, why not just accomodate the dudes and let them wear a mask or face covering...what the hell are you looking at their faces for? I mean, if it really is that hard why not let em put a mask on so long as there dicks stay hard and they do fuck all night? I just don't get all this shit...simple solutions on both ends...everybody's happy...

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Huh? The only "case against black men" is the fact we can't get a one to perform in the videos with any degree of success - and it's got nothing to do with them being "bottoms" as you mistakenly stated. So you can off that stance as it's dull.

Wearing a mask? When in reality do you see people having sex when one is wearing a mask outside a rape scene?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Huh? The only "case against black men" is the fact we can't get a one to perform in the videos with any degree of success - and it's got nothing to do with them being "bottoms" as you mistakenly stated. So you can off that stance as it's dull.

Wearing a mask? When in reality do you see people having sex when one is wearing a mask outside a rape scene?

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I have to admit, most guys on the indepedant solo sites (not the Club sites) do wear mask of some kind, and while I haven't done any actual research, I reckon some guys may like wearing mask a la "Eyes Wide Shut" or other role playing situations. The way I see it, most guys watching porn, can care less about what the male performer looks like, they just want to see actual penetration which doesn't require looking at his face. They do have those "Robin" masks that block the eye area but still allows for facial experessions to be seen. Just a thought...

dirtysouth put it best
there is a small tolerance for gays in the black community
let me put it in a scenario for the other reason
let's say a black guy decides 2 do a shoot with btg
and a guy in that area is also in btgs
and he sees it, most likely that guy with out that guy that did the shoot but at the same time hide the fact the he is into btg as well

in the black community you don't have 2 prove another guy is gay
all u gotta do is say it and in most cities it will spread around

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

I have to admit, most guys on the indepedant solo sites (not the Club sites) do wear mask of some kind, and while I haven't done any actual research, I reckon some guys may like wearing mask a la "Eyes Wide Shut" or other role playing situations. The way I see it, most guys watching porn, can care less about what the male performer looks like, they just want to see actual penetration which doesn't require looking at his face. They do have those "Robin" masks that block the eye area but still allows for facial experessions to be seen. Just a thought...

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well put my man...couldn't have said it better

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Originally Posted by Nassau

dirtysouth put it best
there is a small tolerance for gays in the black community
let me put it in a scenario for the other reason
let's say a black guy decides 2 do a shoot with btg
and a guy in that area is also in btgs
and he sees it, most likely that guy with out that guy that did the shoot but at the same time hide the fact the he is into btg as well

in the black community you don't have 2 prove another guy is gay
all u gotta do is say it and in most cities it will spread around

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I have to admit, I dont understand a word of this! lol... But! my scenario is this. You(meaning the reader) decides to do a scene with your local BTG photographer with your top rated girl on this site. Unknown to you, someone that your aqauinted with watches the shoot. Now this isn't a friend, more like a friend of a friend. He sees it and tells someone some story about how he came across your scene. He gets questioned a little, but you are forever known as a gay porn dude. And trust, anyone who may know you will find out about it eventually. Since you do not consider yourself gay, and still mess with GG's, all that is over in your area. no girl would share dick with a guy who fucks guys in any fashion, real talk. Most of the people you was cool with are now avoiding you to avoid suspicion themselves. you may have some cats that are cool with you regardless, but even that relationship is forever changed. It's all about your comfort area. In a place like this one (NYC) spreading around the city is pretty unlikely, It's just too dam big and crowded here. And its done all the time by those who never had a comfort area growing up. It's also why most gay and ts here are from somewhere else! Even a move from bronx to brooklyn is a totally different world/city to most. But for those who value their comfort areas, being blown up is not an option.

As far as the robin mask, Cant see that working. Neccesity is the mother of invention. If the only way you can get quality talent is using a mask, work it into the shoot like other folks do, with very good results I might add!

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Originally Posted by nycguy

He sees it and tells someone some story about how he came across your scene. He gets questioned a little, but you are forever known as a gay porn dude.

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Really? I think the guy would probably see you as his personal 'hero' and want you to school him on your tgirl knowledge. After all nobody is coming across tgirl porn that aren't looking for it, so the guy obviously like tgirls himself. What purpose do you think "outing" you would serve? Would you "out" someone you knew when you saw them appear in a video? Seriously, question your choice in friends if they would hate on you so badly. Why befriend a bigot and/or homo-phobe? Would you befriend a racist? Befriend those who can accept you for you. All others can simply be associates whose personal opinions of you are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by nycguy

And trust, anyone who may know you will find out about it eventually. Since you do not consider yourself gay, and still mess with GG's, all that is over in your area. no girl would share dick with a guy who fucks guys in any fashion, real talk. Most of the people you was cool with are now avoiding you to avoid suspicion themselves.

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That sounds like something that might possibly happen in a small "Fargo" kind of town, where everyone knows each other and grew up together. We producers, (with a couple exceptions) are in major Metro areas and it's viturally impossible for someone to tell every single female that you were in a tgirl porn video. This is like worrying about the sun exploding or a car jumping the curb and killing you Final Destination style. Yeah, techincally it can happen, but it's not a problem to sit and hide wringing your hands over. Live your life and be happy. Take off the mask you wear for society and be your true self.

You are seriously mistaken if you believe every female would shun you for liking tgirls. There are a great many females that are into tgirls themselves, and even more that are into gay/bi men. Nearly every single female I've been in a relationship with was aware of my lifestyle, and being a bit androgynous, many of them were bi themselves.

I fail to see why so many guys look for the approval of society, complete strangers, and half assed friends when, in reality they care "fuck all" about you.

Do the mindless minions of society congratulate you on your hard day at work when you come home?

Do they whisper sweet nothings to you when you lay down at night?

Do they offer solace when you stub your toe at night, or are late on a bill?

Do you fear no one will show up at your funeral if it's known you liked tgirls, is it even possible to care once you're decaying flesh in the ground? :)

Micheal Jackson fondled little boys and everyone still went ape-shit for him. So if you are some kind of celebrity or big wig CEO on the otherside of the pc, know that at the end of the day all the bs you worry "might" happen means nothing. Everything turns into yesterdays news rather quickly, even for those who are always in the "public eye", meaning celebrities.

Lil Wayne likes to kiss Baby on the mouth, look how long that was 'news'.

R Kelly likes to piss on underage girls, look how long that was 'news'.

Chingy looks and acts like a butch queen, how long was that news.

There's been a few actors that have been caught with tgirl escorts, how long was that relevant news?

Everybody has their own 99 problems to deal with. Quit fabricating potential problems to excuse your own insecruities and man the fuck up.

... but this is all by the by ... the performers just can't do IT!
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