Do all T-Girls in general...

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

So then, are all T-girls in limbo?

Since they're not really women, perhaps we should consider them as men?
Is that what you're saying, Dixie?

Personally, I believe that what drew us to the Pre-op T-girls in the first place was the very fact that they had a penis. There is something that most of us males here within this forum find particularly attractive about a "female" with a penis. It's almost like a prerequisite!

I think that it would be fair to say that most of us would prefer a pre-op to a GG and we'd prefer a nice GG to a really slammin' post-op...

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T-Girls still possess fully functional sex organs. There's nothing artificial about that. The reality is, that with male genetalia, they are men, hence the term she-male.
Surgically inverting their penis will not make them a woman. The surgeons can build an artifical vagina out of the penile material and ballczak, but the resultant look will only fool those that are not that familiar with vaginas.
Unfortunately, there's alot more to a vagina than the exterior. There are Bartholin and Skene's glands, a cervix, a uterus, and pelvic muscles and neurological "wiring", etc., etc., that makes it all work LIKE A VAGINA, because the entire pelvic region and beyond is genetically FEMALE.
WOMEN have those things. Men don't. Men, at best, who transition to a woman, have a cosmetically, EXTERNAL rough facsimile of the real thing and NONE of the internal elements that make a woman a woman.

Ok, so no matter how the T-girl feels, herself. No matter what she thinks, how she behaves in general, or how she wants to be perceived, she's still a man to you, because of her genitalia. Well, I could respect your opinion, but it would be at the expense of too many of my brothers and sisters, so therefore, I simply can't!

Well in my opinion, your genitalia doesn't define your gender, it only defines your sex. Your gender dictates your behavior and your personal proclivities. Your sex is just your physical gentalia. We've all seen women who have never even imagined being physically linked to a man and as long as they can help it, they never will. Though, if forced they could become pregnant. If these people don't want to be perceived as women, then so be it.

Though they might have always played with the boys as a child, climbed trees, threw footballs better than any boy you ever knew, took absolutely no crap from anybody, boy or girl, and you never saw them wear anything feminine, in your book, they're still women. Well, that's true, if they see themselves as women!

On the other hand, if they wear baggy pants, brogain-like Timberland boots, and 3X large shirts with buttons on the right, and they dare you to call them a woman or female, then guess what! They're males! They're males because that's how they see themselves and that's what we should honor, their wishes, their desire.

We have no right to add any more pain to their suffering. The same is true for the boy who likes to wear lipstick, plays with dolls, and holds his hand above his waist with a limp wrist. We should celebrate his femininity if that's what nature has bestowed upon him. If he switches when he walks, we don't ridicule or criticize. Instead, we celebrate his difference and be happy that he has the freedom to express the way in which he chooses to express himself when walking and be glad that he can walk. Many people cannot walk!

We are all human beings living along the gender spectrum with regards to our behavior.
We've all been dealt different cards to play within this spectrum. Some women are the most effeminate women in the world and they really want to dress up in the most beautiful and delicately adorned garments ever worn by a woman. Their mannerism are extremely soft and effeminate. They are usually very maternalistic and there would never be any doubt about their gender. DNA dictates that they are mostly submissive!
Most of these women are naturally attracted to their physical opposites, men!

Then of course, you have men. Masculine men, who like to wear dark clothing with exception of the occasional white or light colored shirt. They take great pride in their military histories, conquests, and accomplishments. As children, you could always find them playing cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, and WAR! As they matured, they began to play other "warlike games" like basketball, football, and boxing. Most of these men played with toy guns or bows and arrows as children. Most of them now own at least one gun. Some have extensive collections. Many of them like to hunt and fish. DNA dictates that they instinctively behave in a manner in which they must dominate. Most of these men are attracted to their physical opposites, women!

Then there's all the rest of us in between. We are the masculine women. We are the effeminate men. We are the masculine men who are attracted to other masculine men. We are the men who behave effeminately but we like women. We are the men who like effeminate men, though we ourselves may be masculine. We may be effeminate men who are attracted to other effeminate men. We may be masculine acting men who really feel effiminate but who choose to remain in the closet, but are attracted to both men, women, and T-girls. We may be effeminate women who are attracted to masculine acting women. We may be effeminate women who are attracted to other effeminate women, but we both act as though we're just regular plutonic girlfriends, because we're both married to men.

So you see, our behaviors are all over the place with regards to both our sexual behaviors and our behaviors in general. When boys grow up always enjoying the things that girls usually enjoy and they have an effeminate manner about them, chances are, that they will be gay. There's also the possibility that they will be transgender. People who are transgender feel like members of the opposite sex. Who are we to say that they should be deprived of their identity? Their physical sex does not define who they are as individuals. Our behavior does more to define who we really are than the way in which our genitalia is featured. A photograph can initiate only the beginning of my total comprehension of you. However, if I am able to observe you over a period of time, I can really get to know you. I therefore, would have more to say about your gender. When we meet real transsexuals, usually they act nothing like the members of their own sex, but they act more like members of their opposite sex, and therefore, their own gender. So let's just respect the way that they act and the way that they want to be perceived...PLEASE!!!

Love,
Koanbred

PS.

Some transgenders don't claim male or female, but only transgender or the "third sex"!

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Ok, so no matter how the T-girl feels, herself. No matter what she thinks, how she behaves in general, or how she wants to be perceived, she's still a man to you, because of her genitalia.

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No. I didn't say that. Her genetic classification is MALE. Period. Regardless of how she perceives herself or looks, that's the fact, Jack! ;)

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

T-Girls still possess fully functional sex organs. There's nothing artificial about that. The reality is, that with male genetalia, they are men, hence the term she-male.

Surgically inverting their penis will not make them a woman. The surgeons can build an artifical vagina out of the penile material and ballczak, but the resultant look will only fool those that are not that familiar with vaginas.
Unfortunately, there's alot more to a vagina than the exterior. There are Bartholin and Skene's glands, a cervix, a uterus, and pelvic muscles and neurological "wiring", etc., etc., that makes it all work LIKE A VAGINA, because the entire pelvic region and beyond is genetically FEMALE.

WOMEN have those things. Men don't. Men, at best, who transition to a woman, have a cosmetically, EXTERNAL rough facsimile of the real thing and NONE of the internal elements that make a woman a woman.

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

That's correct. Not with that other-worldly, artificial, man-made plastic pussy they're not! Anyone ever take a good luck, feel, or smell of one of those artificial pussies in proximal comparison to a REAL ONE? :mad:

it's like a bowlfull of wax fruit compared to the real thing! They're not women, they're no longer men, they're in fucking limbo, as they find out all too soon after it's too late! :(

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

No. I didn't say that. Her genetic classification is MALE. Period. Regardless of how she perceives herself or looks, that's the fact, Jack! ;)

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Congrats, after reading a fair number of your posts, it looks like you've
made it on to my....

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Now, let's see where's the link to the bash Dixie thread.

:mad:

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Originally Posted by peggygee

Congrats, after reading a fair number of your posts, it looks like you've
made it on to my....

http://shopexit9.com/images/products...hitlistpad.jpg

Now, let's see where's the link to the bash Dixie thread.

:mad:

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I'm just the messenger, not God. God gave us all a genetic profile. Biologically, a penis and testes, coupled with a lack of any type of female gentalia and internal sex organs, makes you a man.
This isn't simply my "erroneous" concept. Any science textbook will verify this.

The true issue is whether or not a person considers themselves female or male, but regardless of that self-vision, the fact remains. A penis, makes you a man.
If confused, get locked up and see which population they put you in if you have a tallywhacker. Hint: You'll go in with the other tallywhackers despite your protestations that you squat to pee.
When the surgery takes place, the penis will be gone, replaced by an artificial pseudo-vagina that works nothing like the real thing, becaue the internal physiology is STILL male, despite the absence of balls and a pecker.
A post-op "woman" is nothing more than a modified Castrati, a man without a penis and balls.
Of interest, look up Castrati. It was a barbaric practice of immolation so as boys became men, there voices wouldn't change! They would retain the altissimo vocal range of a boy, but gain the lung power and vocal mechanism of a man.
Their singing voices have been compared to thoe of the world's finest colaturas, but with far more power!

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Originally Posted by peggygee

Now, let's see where's the link to the bash Dixie thread.

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I'm undeterred by your negativity towards me! Like all great humanitarians, I'm here to assist in dispelling your confusion and umbrage. :)

So, if post-ops are really males, and you prefer pre-ops, then you are attracted to the more obvious version of a male. Since you have the same sex of the "male" person that you are attracted to, you could quite easily be described as a homosexual. Right Dixie?

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

So, if post-ops are really males, and you prefer pre-ops, then you are attracted to the more obvious version of a male. Since you have the same sex of the "male" person that you are attracted to, you could quite easily be described as a homosexual. Right Dixie?

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No. I'm a Lesbian. I love women and am attracted to TGs that LOOK like feminine women.
I have not yet taken the plunge with a TG. I've never had a sexual encounter of any type with a man, T-girl or otherwise.
I still don't know if I could pull the trigger, regardless of how good the illusion was.
I'm still T-learning.
One thing for sure is that regardless of how much I love women, I am NOT attracted to a woman once I see an artificial pussy on them.

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Originally Posted by 4mystuffin

there are a few girls on this forum (who I am sure don't need to be named) that seem to have the same generalized negative attitude about many of their fans. But like Remy said certain life events can harden their disposition. Remember for every kind, positive "
admirer" or fan there is probably a couple dozen assholes.

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I agree, but it's a life choice that they made,You can't blame society for you treating the very people who've obviosly excepted your choice to the point of admirering aka cheerleading,yet some,not all still choose to bite the hand thats feeding them escorts exspecially.Again I've been in serious relationships with BTG's.Not raising the argument that its based on geography.But I live in NYC,where you nothing is shocking.I hear alot of BTG's blame society for them being on ready to snap all the time.thats bullshit

Yeah! You're not attracted to a T-girl with an artificial pussy, but what about that pretty T-girl with that big black sho' nuff for real ass dick!!! I'll bet chu any mount a money, you likes that dick!!!

Oh! I'll just becha, Dixie!!!