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08-22-2010, 06:46 PM
thookie

Doesn't really make no difference to as long as it looks like the chemistry is there that's all I want.
08-23-2010, 02:30 PM
4mystuffin

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

Dude the day when I can make a living to feed my fam off of ts porn is the day i'll gladly be your go to guy for ts porn. and therein lies the problem. no real black guys (meaning dudes who aren't gay or tranny chasers) are gonna do it for the sake of doing it, signing shitloads of paperwork and showing identification for $100. High risk/low reward. I know how the girls get their guys on camera, my argument wasn't about how they do it but rather pointing out the fact that they do get it done. I always read bs about how black guys won't get on the camera for grooby when that's just half the story being told. I'm sure if you made it worth it (however yall define relative worth) they'd do it. High reward, high risk. But alas, like I said, that's not in the current business model for grooby. You guys have to play by the rules so if you are requiring all that paperwork, all that ID and only paying on the low end, chances are you're not gonna have a lot of quality bruh's showing up to do porn on film. You'll get the gay guy, the guy who wouldn't be able to fuck these girls in 100 years without loot, or some lame. Just keeping it real. At the end of the day, do what's been working for you guys. black girls white guys. it is what it is. that's what you're known for and that's what most people expect to see.
As far as the kowtowing comment, I absolutely do believe it's a fact. I don't even think it's undeniable. Look up the definition of kowtow and the historical/social context of it. Most black tgirls do kowtow to white guys, most latina tgirls do kowtow to white guys, most asian tgirls do kowtow to white guys. why? it's just the way it is. those are often times the guys with the means and are perceived to be easy dates. these girls want the gucci, the louie, the red bottom, etc. You know I know a lot of them and you know i know them on a personal level, deeper than this porn shit, I know what they tell me. the perception is, wrong or right, the white man's ice is colder and his grass is greener. i aint the type to bitch about petty stuff like that. it just is what it is. quite honestly if i were a black guy with means i wouldn't trip or cry about it. you shouldn't have to beg someone to take your money. the funniest shit is when girls who are from other parts of the country come to dc with those same perceptions/prejudices and quickly find out how false of a reality that is. dc is one of those cities where dollar for dollar, blacks are on par earnings wise with whites/asians.

I see what your saying, but to make it worth their while kind of defeats the purpose of the site. I am sure profits are already tight more so now than before, the TS talent is what draws most people to the site. I am sure before you knew about BTG.com you werent googling "black males having sex with black t-girls" as with most of us your concern is on the girl, everything else is extra. ya know.
08-23-2010, 02:48 PM
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

But how often do you see the black homies smashing white, asian or latina shemales? We can go back and forth about the race shit but at the end of the day I can sort of feel where dude is coming from. Its not that guys skin color keeps me from getting a hard on or that it menas im a racist if I don't wanna see him fucking black chicks, maybe im just tired of seeing these chicks kowtow for white guys. Seems like the girls who have solo sites don't have probles finding black men to perform for their sites but for some odd reason grooby does? Without knowing the specifics, I can't comment. Maybe its a $$$ thing. Maybe they just don't view black on black hardcore ts sex as essential to their core business model. Maybe that's a business opportunity awaiting someone with a good business mind.

The business model of this site it to try and appeal to more black men/buyers and to do that, we've tried to get black male models in but I'm certainly not going to pay them more than the white male models who are doing, on a whole, a great job. The budget just doesn't allow it. The girls who are doing the solo sites are just using either a client or a "friend" possibly unknowingly in some cases, we don't have those options.
08-23-2010, 02:53 PM
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

Dude the day when I can make a living to feed my fam off of ts porn is the day i'll gladly be your go to guy for ts porn. and therein lies the problem. no real black guys (meaning dudes who aren't gay or tranny chasers) are gonna do it for the sake of doing it, signing shitloads of paperwork and showing identification for $100. High risk/low reward. I know how the girls get their guys on camera, my argument wasn't about how they do it but rather pointing out the fact that they do get it done. I always read bs about how black guys won't get on the camera for grooby when that's just half the story being told. I'm sure if you made it worth it (however yall define relative worth) they'd do it. High reward, high risk. But alas, like I said, that's not in the current business model for grooby. You guys have to play by the rules so if you are requiring all that paperwork, all that ID and only paying on the low end, chances are you're not gonna have a lot of quality bruh's showing up to do porn on film. You'll get the gay guy, the guy who wouldn't be able to fuck these girls in 100 years without loot, or some lame. Just keeping it real. At the end of the day, do what's been working for you guys. black girls white guys. it is what it is. that's what you're known for and that's what most people expect to see.

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Your making some fair points but you've pulled this shit before THINKING you know about our business and business model, when you are listening to all the wrong people.

1. Shitloads of paperwork = Signing a model release and a 2257. Takes less than 30 secs and it's a straight forward release.
2. ID = a driving license and one other form gets photographed - big deal.
3. $100? We pay more than that, and it's the same amount that other models get. We don't differentiate between races. That's just rubbish so stop spouting it.

Why can we get quality white/latin male performers but not quality black male performers when all other things are equal? That's what needs to be addressed. Tony Vee had 3 new black male performers not show in the same week for a shoot with a hot black tgirl honey ... he had to call in one of his (white) backups.

By all means, KEEP IT REAL. Don't just make shit up and then say it's real. You are not in the loop.
08-23-2010, 02:58 PM
GroobySteven

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08-23-2010, 07:58 PM
MrKnockOut

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Your making some fair points but you've pulled this shit before THINKING you know about our business and business model, when you are listening to all the wrong people.

1. Shitloads of paperwork = Signing a model release and a 2257. Takes less than 30 secs and it's a straight forward release.
2. ID = a driving license and one other form gets photographed - big deal.
3. $100? We pay more than that, and it's the same amount that other models get. We don't differentiate between races. That's just rubbish so stop spouting it.

Why can we get quality white/latin male performers but not quality black male performers when all other things are equal? That's what needs to be addressed. Tony Vee had 3 new black male performers not show in the same week for a shoot with a hot black tgirl honey ... he had to call in one of his (white) backups.

By all means, KEEP IT REAL. Don't just make shit up and then say it's real. You are not in the loop.

$100 was a figure of speech, not a fact.
As I've said many many times before (and maybe you overlooked it), I prefer parity in porn. Doesn't have to be all black or all white, just would like to see a fair amount of fucking going on. No white guy wants to watch a bunch of black guys fuck super bad white girls all the time. Why? Because itd ruin the fantasy for most of them. Don't know why this is so hard for people to comprehend. Its porn. Its a fantasy to most guys. People live through the exploits of porn stars. We don't have to get all jesse jackson about the shit. I just pointed out, as others have, that there is a lack of parity in what you shoot. You and others have agreed as much. We just differ on the details. You say its because black men don't show up, etc, etc and I say otherwise, pointing out examples of sites that have no shortage of black male talent. Don't kill the messenger.
Look, your business model is your business model man. I never claimed to know what your m.o. Is. Hence the useage of the words might not, maybe, probably. If you actively want to appeal more to black men (as you said, not me) listen to them instead of preaching to them or reacting negatively when someone's opinion doesn't 'jive' with your own. I've been down with you guys for years, probably more years than id care to acknowledge and I've probably steered a fair share of women toward your site that would have otherwise not done it, I don't need to know your business model in order to know what the streets say. Not sure why you would choose to come at me disrespectfully when my post wasn't disrespectful to you or grooby. Im soooooooo not that guy you want to do that with. I will just leave that at that.
08-23-2010, 08:08 PM
MrKnockOut

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Originally Posted by seanchai

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Now this is parity my melaninely challenged brother! Equal opportunity fucking going on lmao. My only gripe is that dude looks like a middle aged 50 cent...and I hate 50 cent!
08-23-2010, 09:24 PM
TurboMan

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

Now this is parity my melaninely challenged brother! Equal opportunity fucking going on lmao. My only gripe is that dude looks like a middle aged 50 cent...and I hate 50 cent!

Naw KO...this kat is a dead ringer for porn star FM Bradley...Remember him?
08-23-2010, 09:26 PM
TVSURFER

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

Now this is parity my melaninely challenged brother! Equal opportunity fucking going on lmao. My only gripe is that dude looks like a middle aged 50 cent...and I hate 50 cent!

Damn KO, hate is a very strong rap! What did Fifty do to you for you to HATE him, or was that just a figure of speech?!? Plus, I thought the guy looked like R. Kelly!
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08-23-2010, 09:32 PM
GroobySteven

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

$100 was a figure of speech, not a fact.
As I've said many many times before (and maybe you overlooked it), I prefer parity in porn. Doesn't have to be all black or all white, just would like to see a fair amount of fucking going on. No white guy wants to watch a bunch of black guys fuck super bad white girls all the time. Why? Because itd ruin the fantasy for most of them. Don't know why this is so hard for people to comprehend. Its porn. Its a fantasy to most guys. People live through the exploits of porn stars. We don't have to get all jesse jackson about the shit. I just pointed out, as others have, that there is a lack of parity in what you shoot. You and others have agreed as much. We just differ on the details. You say its because black men don't show up, etc, etc and I say otherwise, pointing out examples of sites that have no shortage of black male talent. Don't kill the messenger.
Look, your business model is your business model man. I never claimed to know what your m.o. Is. Hence the useage of the words might not, maybe, probably. If you actively want to appeal more to black men (as you said, not me) listen to them instead of preaching to them or reacting negatively when someone's opinion doesn't 'jive' with your own. I've been down with you guys for years, probably more years than id care to acknowledge and I've probably steered a fair share of women toward your site that would have otherwise not done it, I don't need to know your business model in order to know what the streets say. Not sure why you would choose to come at me disrespectfully when my post wasn't disrespectful to you or grooby. Im soooooooo not that guy you want to do that with. I will just leave that at that.

Well you did kinda come at us with saying we pay $100 and make it so hard for the black guys to work ... which isn't true - but fair enough I hear you.

Porn is fantasy and it needs to appeal to a broad group of members otherwise we wouldn't have enough members to make a budget for the site - but - many people (most) need an identifier in porn and it's hard to do that when the male performer is a completely different race. On lesbian/tranny on tranny porn, people are identifying with being one of the girls ... and I think in a lot of tranny porn, I guarantee, people are identifying with being the tranny and getting boned. There needs to be some black males in this site's scenes because that's representative of this site's membership make-up - and our business model is to please our members.

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