Is this the guide on how Tgirls who top keep their man?

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I'm not a bottom. I'm a verse top but since I'm one of the only few who admits it, I generally get typecast strictly as a bottom as a result.

Oh and I made it clear which part of her video I had concerns with.

But instead of assessing that aspect for what it is you make it to address everything except that hence the conjecture, word manipulation and misdirection I was referring to.

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Actually, from your initial post this is what I had a problem with and was all I was referring to, (by the way, you made NO Mention of assumed rape in the initial OP):

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Originally Posted by Indy24

But I can guarantee that the guy she recorded isn't the same type of guy that she's calling out. So again, how is she any better for making a fool out of that guy?

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and then:

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I'm sure "he" cares. And odds are he didn't give here consent to disclose it in any form. Especially since she's using it for laughs.

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Those are your words from this very thread, and are what made me decide to watch the video and see what was going on. I immediately recognized the performer (a friend) voice and that it was a shoot from one of our sites. Once I pointed it out to you, you tried to act like it didn't matter at all. We've all hung out together multiple times since filming, and he's still wanting another chance to work with her. I further took offense to this line of yours:

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Originally Posted by Indy24

The paid guys on set don't count. It's a win/win for them being that they're already willing to get humiliated.

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You tried to reply by denying you said these very words. Foolishness, and again it's you who has some deep seeded issues somewhere for feeling like "guys on set are willing to get humiliated". What exactly are they humiliated about Indy?

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Originally Posted by Indy24

But what ever... I've posted this thread in other TS forums. So despite your overall stance on the matter and unyielding loyalty to person in question. There were a few tgirls who top that were totally turned off by the very same commentary.

So I thank you for your diagnosis Dr. Remy but think I'll go with the second opinion.... ;^J

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It's not about loyalty to anyone, you clearly having a grudge against her for some reason. I pointed out to you that the one 'other' issue, the "getting drunk and high and then having sex" was a form of humor called sarcasm, in poor taste perhaps but a joke nonetheless. You continue to act like you know for a fact it wasn't, as if you've read her manifesto against the world and know what the evil genius is truly up to. And yet you initially claimed that:

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I'm sure "he" cares. And odds are he didn't give here consent to disclose it in any form. Especially since she's using it for laughs.

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So, you at least did acknowledge at one point that this video was "...for laughs" she is smiling and laughing throughout most of the video. So, until you go and ask her yourself, if she was joking about that particular matter or not you are coming off 'half cocked'. I did ask, and my point is the same, it was sarcasm. I'm not protecting or making excuses for her, just breaking it down for the less informed. I didn't overlook any part of your conversation that I took issue with. I stated each plainly, and addressed as such. It is you, who just continues to hammer on with your personal vendetta.

For the record, I don't agree with everything she said either and never said I did. She talking about liking to hear a guy squeal and making them her bitch, and I said 'in this thread' that wasn't my cup of tea, I'd rather a guy still be a guy during sex even if he is on bottom and not go all feminine, but that's my preference. Her overall message with the video is that 'laying down good sex as a TOP will keep a man from feeling like he is always in control'. Now that could easily apply for a bottom as well, which she also pointed out, but since she is TOP she kept it tailored to what she knows. As you pointed out in the initial OP, men do it all the time themselves...

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Originally Posted by Indy24

Hold up...90% of the threads on this site are based on guys having sex with trannies in any and every fashion but when I occasionally do it's "bragging"....?

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I only deal with local TS in the Tri-state area. So the long short of it as you both see it is flawed at best. But go ahead and kiss Remy's ass for the sake of sending cheap shots at ol Indy. The long short of it is clearly that old wounds don't heal to well huh...

Well for all slick remarks about me getting fucked. Why wait until Remy has sand in her pee whole to come at me? Hell you don't even like Amber and all of sudden you wanna chime in when neither you or Remy know what the hell you're talking about.

It's like she's taking this opportunity to fight for the rights of all the tranny porn stars across the globe when that's not really the issue and you're just happy that I'm the target. And Ironically you did the same ho shit, chiming in on Sasha's Facebook page 2 weeks ago.

And for the record...when Seanchai was coming at your neck regarding that issue and Amber was laughing at your physical features did I chime in on that like some cowardly ass vulture...?

I just want you to keep that little character flaw in mind the next time you wanna bring up my sex habits in negative way. And for all your co-signing and bandwagon jumping. If Sasha was to hypothetically "get you drunk or high then fuck the shit out you"...Just maybe you'd be able to put your petty ass animosity from the past to the side to understand what this topic is really about. Because that's what she was proposing in the video clear as day. The porn aspect really doesn't matter. She's fixing to fuck everybody...top, bottom etc. and you're here frothing at the mouth simply because they all disagree with me disapproval of that particular part of the video.

So to me this is just a simple case of popularity outweighing common sense.

SMH at the audacity....

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Dude, i could give a fuck less about amber's thoughts on my looks, remy 'backing me up' or how seanchai feels about anything i say. Makes me no nevermind. Just like i give a fuck less about your 'acknowkedgement'. You ever thought that maybe i didnt see the thread until after someone replied so it 'appears' as if im chiming in? Couldnt be that huh? Like i said, do you. Its still ironic that you're so proud of being twisted up like a pretzel, yet you're on some 'be gentle with me' shit. THAT was my point. NOT the fact that you bottom.

And again, where did she mention raping someone? Still dont recall that part. Just admit you're mad cuz she wont fuck you.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Seems like this has some how gotten more personal than it needs to be. A lot more. Maybe everyone relax and remember that none of this actually affects any of your life outside of these forums.

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I'm taking your advise, I'm done reading this thread.

There's nothing productive to come from it at this point...

after seeing her vid again I kinda see what she's trying to get at, and basically i take it as GREAT sex is a powerful tool, be it bomb pussy , dick , or head, which i think most of us know already. Just from her point of view, her style is hard drilling, others may be slow seduction, it varies from person to person. hard fucking won't get every person hooked, a big dick won't get everyone hooked, her vid was entertaining for the most part, I think maybe people kinda taking it a little personal

I made an inquiry..... "THEY" made it personal.

As a "chaser" my goal is to be as knowledgeable as possible. This allows me to become a better chaser. Thus being stubborn or bias is counter-productive. Now I initially came across this video while searching for something entirely different. But I didn't go into it hoping to hate on it (hell red is my color). Some things I felt were spot on and other things were way off base.

But what's funny is that none of the people opposed to the thread really answered the thread's question.

Now if a tgirl who tops not just on film but in her regular life came in here and said "Yeah Sashsa speaks the truth, I do the same thing!" and other one said "Yeah I second this, that's why my man put a ring on it" Then that would be progress. That would have answered the question. Just because I wasn't aware that the guy in the recording was a co-star doesn't give anyone a moral victory....the initial question still exists.

And as a guy who does pursue verse trans-women, was it wrong for me to open up a discussion about it in the first place..?

Instead of legit feedback all I got was..."You obviously just don't like her" or "Oh you're just mad that she wont fuck you"

Really......?

1) She lives no where near me and odds of meeting her or any other chick on this sites is highly unlikely.
2)She doesn't even know what I look like. So on the odd chances that she was to visit my area and I tapped her on the shoulder and gave her my government name. Who's to say that she wouldn't like what she see's or hears..?
3)I chase on the field, that means up close in personal. So to be uptight about a chick potentially shooting me down on a website who has never seen me in her life just sounds retarded...

I've been cussed out by the finest and fucked by even better. So being butthurt over rejection doesn't apply to me.

I did learn some things from this thread though... One being that "No one cares what I have to say" and yet this thread has over 800 views..

Anyway welcome back Vidman, glad that issue was resolved quickly.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I made an inquiry..... "THEY" made it personal.

As a "chaser" my goal is to be as knowledgeable as possible. This allows me to become a better chaser. Thus being stubborn or bias is counter-productive. Now I initially came across this video while searching for something entirely different. But I didn't go into it hoping to hate on it (hell red is my color). Some things I felt were spot on and other things were way off base.

But what's funny is that none of the people opposed to the thread really answered the thread's question.

Now if a tgirl who tops not just on film but in her regular life came in here and said "Yeah Sashsa speaks the truth, I do the same thing!" and other one said "Yeah I second this, that's why my man put a ring on it" Then that would be progress. That would have answered the question. Just because I wasn't aware that the guy in the recording was a co-star doesn't give anyone a moral victory....the initial question still exists.

And as a guy who does pursue verse trans-women, was it wrong for me to open up a discussion about it in the first place..?

Instead of legit feedback all I got was..."You obviously just don't like her" or "Oh you're just mad that she wont fuck you"

Really......?

1) She lives no where near me and odds of meeting her or any other chick on this sites is highly unlikely.
2)She doesn't even know what I look like. So on the odd chances that she was to visit my area and I tapped her on the shoulder and gave her my government name. Who's to say that she wouldn't like what she see's or hears..?
3)I chase on the field, that means up close in personal. So to be uptight about a chick potentially shooting me down on a website who has never seen me in her life just sounds retarded...

I've been cussed out by the finest and fucked by even better. So being butthurt over rejection doesn't apply to me.

I did learn some things from this thread though... One being that "No one cares what I have to say" and yet this thread has over 800 views..

Anyway welcome back Vidman, glad that issue was resolved quickly.

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Hey Indy! Good to be back man. Just a short vacation. Thanks dude.

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Originally Posted by vidman

Hey Indy! Good to be back man. Just a short vacation. Thanks dude.

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It's Pretzel Day.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

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Originally Posted by Indy24

But what's funny is that none of the people opposed to the thread really answered the thread's question.

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I actually did answer your two initial questions from the Original Post, and was never opposed to the thread in and of itself, just your assertion that guys are 'humiliated' (your words) on camera.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

Can some one tell me how this is any better than the crap the guys get called out for?

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I replied "I too like to top and if I'm topping a girl i want her to sound like a girl, if I'm topping a guy I want him to sound like a guy, unlike what we hear on this clip." and then also added "to each their own..." which is basically saying I don't agree with Sasha, but it's her pejorative .

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Originally Posted by Indy24

But I can guarantee that the guy she recorded isn't the same type of guy that she's calling out. So again, how is she any better for making a fool out of that guy?

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The other question which appears rhetorical, but infers that the male performer is being made a fool. Which was the basis for my initial reply, that nope he really does enjoy being dominated and truly had a great time with her and still does, so she didn't make a fool out of him.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

I made an inquiry..... "THEY" made it personal.

As a "chaser" my goal is to be as knowledgeable as possible. This allows me to become a better chaser. Thus being stubborn or bias is counter-productive. Now I initially came across this video while searching for something entirely different. But I didn't go into it hoping to hate on it (hell red is my color). Some things I felt were spot on and other things were way off base.

But what's funny is that none of the people opposed to the thread really answered the thread's question.

Now if a tgirl who tops not just on film but in her regular life came in here and said "Yeah Sashsa speaks the truth, I do the same thing!" and other one said "Yeah I second this, that's why my man put a ring on it" Then that would be progress. That would have answered the question. Just because I wasn't aware that the guy in the recording was a co-star doesn't give anyone a moral victory....the initial question still exists.

And as a guy who does pursue verse trans-women, was it wrong for me to open up a discussion about it in the first place..?

Instead of legit feedback all I got was..."You obviously just don't like her" or "Oh you're just mad that she wont fuck you"

Really......?

1) She lives no where near me and odds of meeting her or any other chick on this sites is highly unlikely.
2)She doesn't even know what I look like. So on the odd chances that she was to visit my area and I tapped her on the shoulder and gave her my government name. Who's to say that she wouldn't like what she see's or hears..?
3)I chase on the field, that means up close in personal. So to be uptight about a chick potentially shooting me down on a website who has never seen me in her life just sounds retarded...

I've been cussed out by the finest and fucked by even better. So being butthurt over rejection doesn't apply to me.

I did learn some things from this thread though... One being that "No one cares what I have to say" and yet this thread has over 800 views..

Anyway welcome back Vidman, glad that issue was resolved quickly.

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Lol you only THINK no one knows what you look like homie. That being so well known by all the girls thing that you're so proud of means you've been seen many a time. Hell I know what you look. As one of my friends refers to you as her 'cum dumpster'. So keep thinking that you're incognito and moving in the shadows.

And fyi, there's video of you out there as well lol. I just dont air people out. Only reason why it hasnt been posted.