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10-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Larryp

Well said

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Originally Posted by Juan

Opinions vary and, mine differs tremendously. Possibly it is due to dating girls that stem from all parts of the world from a wide variety of races/ethnicities.

For example,

If one's experience dating outside their race/ethnicity is minimum to non existent, then you will have difficulty seeing beyond the persons race/ethnicity. If you have a lot of experience dating outside your race/ethnicity, you will look at the person as an individual and not as a group in which society tries to project.

If a boy takes it upon himself to undergo hormonal treatment in order to become a girl, I am going to acknowledge the boy as a girl. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it. She will be treated just like a girl in every aspect. I generally make myself very clear if I stumble upon a boy that transitioned (or transitioning) to girl that I find attractive within our first engagement. For if she is not up for that, it does not make logical sense to get to know each other better.

I can only guess those that choose to cross dress for years without making some type of permanent hormonal transition, wants the best of both worlds. Possibly they are uncertain on where all this cross dressing will lead to in the long run. It appears some guys don't care where, others do. So it is up to the guy to talk to the person on where they stand beforehand.

I would not class girls who fall in the category of a tsamberskyi, in the same group a those who follows a Kim Carta's concept. Both are individuals in their own right. Both will have their own thoughts on the matter and, should not be labeled as one.

I like what you say Juan and think it is true. I'm less concerned with trying to place TSAmber or Kim Carta in a "category." I certainly do not want to offend either. I find both women very attractive. peace.
10-07-2013, 03:50 PM
Handandsom

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

Utter foolishness, do you always make your own definitions for all the words in the English language, or do you act like an intelligent person and look up the definition of a word you don't know. The do have dictionary's online for free nowadays.

Wow now did you check that online dictionary before you responded. Like I mentioned earlier
we can say whatever we want but it is what it is . My online reference would be onelook.com terms that have been in existence for quite sometime "prefix" and all. I try to be careful of what I write whenever I write, the truth of it is I didn't need any real intelligence on all the terms I talked about trans, sexual, gender. Thats a grade school diploma. But i'm learning that even something as foolish as what I've utter here can misconstrued as knowledge:)
10-07-2013, 07:21 PM
tsamberskyi

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Originally Posted by Larryp

I like what you say Juan and think it is true. I'm less concerned with trying to place TSAmber or Kim Carta in a "category." I certainly do not want to offend either. verind both women very attractive. peace.

I think categories do serve some function.
I dont want someone thinking that me and a cross dresser/drag queen are the same (not that im saying kim is). im a woman 24/7.I dont get the luxury of being a man and benefiting from male privilege when its convenient.
also I think people treat you how they perceive you.if someone perceives that you are really male they will ultimately treat you as that.
for example theres a feminine gay male at my school who dresses in female clothes to varying degrees depending on the day.however the other students call him "he" and enteract with him in a very flamboyant manner.
now me on the other hand, while im sure some students have to suspect im ts (only one has asked me so far, I said no lol) im never referred to as anything other than "she" and treated like a normal girl.
10-08-2013, 04:04 AM
joxynn

I find it interesting to see the dichotomy between modes of thinking between (some) males and (some) transsexual females on full display here.

On the one hand, people like chubbychaser seem to fetishize transwomen and are shocked and appalled by anything that ruins the fantasy. For someone only seeking sexual gratification this makes sense. If one identifies himself as straight but is still attracted to transsexuals, then holding on to the idea of them living as women full time can be a way of rationalizing this. The other person's mental state never really enters the equation here because they were only superficially interested in the first place. For someone with this viewpoint, paying for sex makes the most sense. Part a sex worker's job is fulfilling the other person's fantasy. If he has the money and a willing partner, then in the end both people will have gotten what they wanted.

On the other hand you have people like Remy who actively push for rights and acceptance of the transgender lifestyle. For her, what's appalling is generalization and misconstruction of the group she belongs to. For someone with this mentality, a statement like "trannies are basically men who look good as women" probably has about the same impact as "Barack Obama is basically just a nigger in a suit" would have on a black civil rights activist. I honestly have to question whether of forum on a pornographic website is the best place to seek support and understanding for her cause, but she does at least articulate her point of view well and attempt to educate.

No wonder you two clashed though :p
10-08-2013, 06:19 AM
Juan

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Originally Posted by joxynn

I find it interesting to see the dichotomy between modes of thinking between (some) males and (some) transsexual females on full display here.

Why would you feel so?

There are some guys as myself that are just physically attracted to features in which is commonly found with a good portion girls, hence the reason I would date a transsexual if I found one that I considered attractive. It is the primary reason why, many who fall in such a category, do not fancy guy features and, will not date what is commonly known as a gay male.

I have encountered many masculine in looks and personality guys who would class themselves heterosexuals say things to me that would only conclude they are flirting with me when no one is around. This is due to assuming that I fancy gay men, which is not the case.

There are also some guys that fancy cross-dressers due to liking the masculine attributes still lurking within the shadows of a guy. This may be based on facial features and/or personality. There is a higher ratio of such guys who fall in this category dating what society considers a gay male than a guy who does not fancy cross-dressers.

Moving away from physical attributes, mental attraction is not uncommon from a male-to-male perspective, as two guys tend to get along better amongst one another, than two girls paired together. It is rare to hear a guy say “I don’t get a long with guys” however, not uncommon to hear a girl state “I don’t get a long with girls.”
10-08-2013, 06:34 AM
Juan

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Originally Posted by Larryp

I like what you say Juan and think it is true. I'm less concerned with trying to place TSAmber or Kim Carta in a "category." I certainly do not want to offend either. I find both women very attractive. peace.

I always try my best to not pass judgment on the individual when society tries to class the individual into a group.
10-08-2013, 04:00 PM
Ms Remy M

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Originally Posted by Handandsom

Wow now did you check that online dictionary before you responded. Like I mentioned earlier
we can say whatever we want but it is what it is . My online reference would be onelook.com terms that have been in existence for quite sometime "prefix" and all. I try to be careful of what I write whenever I write, the truth of it is I didn't need any real intelligence on all the terms I talked about trans, sexual, gender. Thats a grade school diploma. But i'm learning that even something as foolish as what I've utter here can misconstrued as knowledge:)

I looked at your "onelook.com" site and typing in transsexual brings up on the sidebar more than what you provided. You also stated that transsexual and transgender are the same. Wrong, if you look at my reply toward chubbychaser you will see the appropriate meaning of each term. Which is not what you said, which is why I said your words were foolish.
10-08-2013, 04:10 PM
Ms Remy M

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Originally Posted by joxynn

I find it interesting to see the dichotomy between modes of thinking between (some) males and (some) transsexual females on full display here.

On the one hand, people like chubbychaser seem to fetishize transwomen and are shocked and appalled by anything that ruins the fantasy. For someone only seeking sexual gratification this makes sense. If one identifies himself as straight but is still attracted to transsexuals, then holding on to the idea of them living as women full time can be a way of rationalizing this. The other person's mental state never really enters the equation here because they were only superficially interested in the first place. For someone with this viewpoint, paying for sex makes the most sense. Part a sex worker's job is fulfilling the other person's fantasy. If he has the money and a willing partner, then in the end both people will have gotten what they wanted.

On the other hand you have people like Remy who actively push for rights and acceptance of the transgender lifestyle. For her, what's appalling is generalization and misconstruction of the group she belongs to. For someone with this mentality, a statement like "trannies are basically men who look good as women" probably has about the same impact as "Barack Obama is basically just a nigger in a suit" would have on a black civil rights activist. I honestly have to question whether of forum on a pornographic website is the best place to seek support and understanding for her cause, but she does at least articulate her point of view well and attempt to educate.

No wonder you two clashed though :p

While I see where you are coming from, and truly I understand I am biased. I also know that on other porn forums there is much room for discourse of all varieties aside from strictly porn. I actually acknowledge the main purpose of this forum, which is why I don't comment at all on the threads relegated to "who has the biggest balls" "hottest trans" etc. I still feel it is good to educate people when they are clearly wrong on a particular subject. For instance, someone claimed trans women only work in the sex industry, there was a question about whether assholes have a clitoris lol, most trans women transition for the hustle, things like that are based on that particular person limited view of the world, and I am going to set them straight on what is really out there.
10-08-2013, 06:12 PM
Handandsom

Quote:

Originally Posted by joxynn

I find it interesting to see the dichotomy between modes of thinking between (some) males and (some) transsexual females on full display here.

On the one hand, people like chubbychaser seem to fetishize transwomen and are shocked and appalled by anything that ruins the fantasy. For someone only seeking sexual gratification this makes sense. If one identifies himself as straight but is still attracted to transsexuals, then holding on to the idea of them living as women full time can be a way of rationalizing this. The other person's mental state never really enters the equation here because they were only superficially interested in the first place. For someone with this viewpoint, paying for sex makes the most sense. Part a sex worker's job is fulfilling the other person's fantasy. If he has the money and a willing partner, then in the end both people will have gotten what they wanted.

On the other hand you have people like Remy who actively push for rights and acceptance of the transgender lifestyle. For her, what's appalling is generalization and misconstruction of the group she belongs to. For someone with this mentality, a statement like "trannies are basically men who look good as women" probably has about the same impact as "Barack Obama is basically just a nigger in a suit" would have on a black civil rights activist. I honestly have to question whether of forum on a pornographic website is the best place to seek support and understanding for her cause, but she does at least articulate her point of view well and attempt to educate.

No wonder you two clashed though :p

This is exactly the case perfectly communicated. Ditto!
10-08-2013, 06:32 PM
Larryp

Think I understand!

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

I think categories do serve some function.
I dont want someone thinking that me and a cross dresser/drag queen are the same (not that im saying kim is). im a woman 24/7.I dont get the luxury of being a man and benefiting from male privilege when its convenient.
also I think people treat you how they perceive you.if someone perceives that you are really male they will ultimately treat you as that.
for example theres a feminine gay male at my school who dresses in female clothes to varying degrees depending on the day.however the other students call him "he" and enteract with him in a very flamboyant manner.
now me on the other hand, while im sure some students have to suspect im ts (only one has asked me so far, I said no lol) im never referred to as anything other than "she" and treated like a normal girl.

Hi Amber, I believe I understand what you are saying. You are a woman 24/7 and do not want to be placed in a CD/TV "category" because someone perceives that all trans-sexual women, cross dressers, and transvestites are "kind of similar" and can therefore be lumped together--is that correct?

I was simply trying to say, that I am less concerned with the labels or categories being used---I find both TS women and some CD/TVs attractive. I think Kim Carta is super hot--and without meaning any disrespect to her, I'm not that interested in knowing what "category" she is in. Does that make sense?

For me personally, I would much prefer having a serious long term relationship with a trans-sexual woman, vice with a CD / TV who is only a woman part time or when dressed up. I enjoy the mental and emotional parts of a relationship with a woman as well as the physical part. Having said that--I really haven't had any type of relationship with a CD or TV. No real reason it has not happened, but it just hasn't. Now if someone as sexy as Kim Carta invited me home with her, now that's a different story!! I would have to give that a chance.....Peace.

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