Former Black-TGirl Model Arrested For Murder

Koanbred, just because you feel it's ok for her to do what she did under these circumstances does not mean the rest of the human population would have done the same. I personally would never tolerate being in an abusive relationship, and don't even let violent people into my inner circle of friends.

If, for arguments sake, I was in her exact position, I absolutely would have called the police and had him arrested. In domestic violence calls, the police will arrest the offending party. There has been legal precedence were a person gets serious jail time for knowningly infecting others with HIV. I'd rather see the person in jail and suffering than dead. Once a person is dead, the suffering is over, no more to be done. At least in jail, he is stripped of his freedoms and will likely face some very troubling times.

You suggested earlier that we should be on Asia side, I disagree, I'm not going to take any side. I will sit and wait for more factual information, but I do feel that since she admitted to killing him and it wasn't a life or death situation, things probably wont be looking good for her future. Any person who would do this should do some real jail time, none of us are Above the Law.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Koanbred, just because you feel it's ok for her to do what she did under these circumstances does not mean the rest of the human population would have done the same. I personally would never tolerate being in an abusive relationship, and don't even let violent people into my inner circle of friends.

If, for arguments sake, I was in her exact position, I absolutely would have called the police and had him arrested. In domestic violence calls, the police will arrest the offending party. There has been legal precedence were a person gets serious jail time for knowningly infecting others with HIV. I'd rather see the person in jail and suffering than dead. Once a person is dead, the suffering is over, no more to be done. At least in jail, he is stripped of his freedoms and will likely face some very troubling times.

You suggested earlier that we should be on Asia side, I disagree, I'm not going to take any side. I will sit and wait for more factual information, but I do feel that since she admitted to killing him and it wasn't a life or death situation, things probably wont be looking good for her future. Any person who would do this should do some real jail time, none of us are Above the Law.

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Good reply Remy! I hope this would put some butta on this cornbread before he takes us on an excusion to Mars or the farthest reaches of the galaxy!
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Regardless as to what opinions you may or may not harbor. Asia was in a very difficult predicament. It has been suggested that Asia may have been physically abused by Nevith. That alone encompasses a psychopathy that will open the door for temporary insanity. When we add the fact that Asia quite possibly was injected with the AIDS virus, her psychosis takes on a much more profound dimension. Then the catalyst for the actual reaction of murder quite possibly was being smacked in the face. Of course, thus far, practically all of this discussion has been derived from hearsay and assumptions, on both sides of this coin.

Since none of us were there in the apartment at the time and none of us were actually involved within their personal relationship, none of us actually know exactly what transpired or how it transpired. The best that we can do, at this time, is speculate. We're all just speculating!

Therefore, let's just give Asia the benefit of the doubt and fully support her from the bottom of all of our hearts, until more facts are released.

Love,
Koanbred

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

Since none of us were there in the apartment at the time and none of us were actually involved within their personal relationship, none of us actually know exactly what transpired or how it transpired. The best that we can do, at this time, is speculate. We're all just speculating!

Therefore, let's just give Asia the benefit of the doubt and fully support her from the bottom of all of our hearts, until more facts are released.

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No YOU are speculating! Nobody else is, they're remaining calm and basing their thoughts only on the facts.

So let's turn it around and it was Asia who got murdered, for passing HIV to her boyfriend, whom would you support there?
Or how about, if the murdered boyfriend was your brother or son? Would you then be wanting to send her to jail.

Dear Seanchai,

Go back and read through the threads. When you do that, you will find that the most I've stated here on Asia's behalf, is that she's innocent until proven guilty. That assumption is afforded to her by our precious legal system. Now, if you would personally like to brand her as guilty before she has been tried by the courts, then I would say that you are not dealing with the facts and anyone in agreement with you is not dealing with the facts either. That's why we have the courts and a legal system, it's to filter through the information and to dole out the facts.

Now, sometimes the judicial system is flawed and the courts are flawed due to human imperfection. Just like the executive system is often flawed, for the same reason, we're all human and too set in our own prejudicial minds to allow ourselves time to see the truth. If this be the case, then we need to breathe deep a few times, recollect ourselves and cultivate the patience to allow the courts the time to evolve and proceed more objectively, without pressing a premature verdict. We need to do this because, sometimes the court needs extra time, in order to fully digest the information that its given.

Again we need to learn how to give traditionally oppressed group members a fair opportunity when they've been so misjudged by society's standards for so long. I truly do believe that in your heart of hearts, you really do want to see justice done in this matter and you really want the best for all parties, Asia included. To this extent, we share the same objective.

I can tell from the many comments that you've made in the past, that you're really a kind-hearted person with good taste. All I ask is that you give both Asia and the courts the time to prove just exactly how guilty or innocent she truly is, because at this point, we don't know squat.

Love,
Koanbred

Koanbred, I like you, I like that you stand up for the community and I think that's probably why I'm still posting on this thread instead of just saying "fuck it" as was my intention in an earlier post. Yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, hell even Timothy Mcveigh was, but we all know it as fact that she commited the crime. Yes, we all want her to have a fair trial. What I feel needs to be determined is the level of punishment for said crime which does still require more facts which the police through their investigation will hopefully deliver. Someone suggested a degree of Manslaughter might be what she recieves and I think thats acceptable, but if it's found that this crime was premeditated and not "in the heat of the moment", well then 1st-3rd degree murder sounds about right.

You keep trying to make this discussion about oppressed groups and what not but it wasn't an oppressed group of people that commited this crime, it was Asia, which is why she alone turned herself in.

Koanbred,
I've stated that if it wasn't going to be a fair trial based on her gender then I would have an issue - but in all your comments, you seem determined to support her, no matter what? I don't think there has been any such slant towards otherwise from the media or the authorities. Your overall attitude is that she's a transgender so needs to be treat differently.

She's a person - and she needs to be treat like any other person in the same situation. End of story.

I really do like you too, Remy!

It's because I like you, that I ask you to stand firm with me in support of Asia, until all the facts are out.

I thank you in advance for your support!

PS.

I truly do believe that society made the path that Asia followed. This path was conducive to shaping her as an individual.

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Originally Posted by Koanbred

PS.

I truly do believe that society made the path that Asia followed. This path was conducive to shaping her as an individual.

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I have had this debate with others before, and I'm split on the topic. I think in other countries where opportunities are not as prevelant as in America this may be true, but not here in the USA. I, for example, am a Military Brat, Father was in Navy (now police detective in Hawaii) and Hindu from India, and Mother in Army (now retired) Creole Catholic from Louisiana so I've always had a multi-cultural surrounding which helped shaped me into a very understanding and 'accepting of others' individual. However; I chose my own path, I refused to follow in their steps and join the Armed Forces, and I reject organized Religion in place of Spirituality (I'm Agnostic). So I chose a very different path than the friends I had, many of whom went into the military like their parents. I'm really tall so everyone wanted me to play Basketball, but in high school I leaned more towards baseball, skateboarding (until I tore my ACL) and playing in a band (bass and drums among other instruments). I also know people who came from a very hard urban life "thugging on the streets" that are now in comfortable positions with very successful companies. So while society can shape the experinces we may be exposed to, we each as individuals choose the path we shall go down.

Society didn't force Asia to be an escort and to stay in an abusive relationship, she chose those things. I've seen girls in similar situations to her (escorting/bad relationships) and seeing how hard they have it, makes it clear that, that is not a path I would want to go down. I have also met too many transexuals who are doing positive things to believe that is the only option she had. I just met a ts who does acting and has been in a few mainstream movies (though small parts) one of which just premiered in NYC two nights ago. I live down the street from a ts that works for NASA here in Va. I know a young TS (early 20's) in Philly who is a film Producer and has worked on a reality tv show in that position. We have a local asian ts that works as a teacher in Va Beach (beautiful lady but refuses to do porn :) ) I know a local ts who helped bring our TS clinic to the area and works as a shrink for the community. I've spoken online in the past with other TS that are lawyers, so I say rubbish to your "...society made the path Asia followed" statement.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

I have had this debate with others before, and I'm split on the topic. I think in other countries where opportunities are not as prevelant as in America this may be true, but not here in the USA. I, for example, am a Military Brat, Father was in Navy (now police detective in Hawaii) and Hindu from India, and Mother in Army (now retired) Creole Catholic from Louisiana so I've always had a multi-cultural surrounding which helped shaped me into a very understanding and 'accepting of others' individual. However; I chose my own path, I refused to follow in their steps and join the Armed Forces, and I reject organized Religion in place of Spirituality (I'm Agnostic). So I chose a very different path than the friends I had, many of whom went into the military like their parents. I'm really tall so everyone wanted me to play Basketball, but in high school I leaned more towards baseball, skateboarding (until I tore my ACL) and playing in a band (bass and drums among other instruments). I also know people who came from a very hard urban life "thugging on the streets" that are now in comfortable positions with very successful companies. So while society can shape the experinces we may be exposed to, we each as individuals choose the path we shall go down.

Society didn't force Asia to be an escort and to stay in an abusive relationship, she chose those things. I've seen girls in similar situations to her (escorting/bad relationships) and seeing how hard they have it, makes it clear that, that is not a path I would want to go down. I have also met too many transexuals who are doing positive things to believe that is the only option she had. I just met a ts who does acting and has been in a few mainstream movies (though small parts) one of which just premiered in NYC two nights ago. I live down the street from a ts that works for NASA here in Va. I know a young TS (early 20's) in Philly who is a film Producer and has worked on a reality tv show in that position. We have a local asian ts that works as a teacher in Va Beach (beautiful lady but refuses to do porn :) ) I know a local ts who helped bring our TS clinic to the area and works as a shrink for the community. I've spoken online in the past with other TS that are lawyers, so I say rubbish to your "...society made the path Asia followed" statement.

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I think this is the best post I've ever read of yours. Beautifully spoken. i feel the same way and believe the same exact thing.