DJ Caught w/a Tranny

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

wow, so your still judging people like that! what makes you feel they have low self esteem because of your our own personal issue with dl men. btw dont assume a man thats on the down low is ashamed of tgirls. dl is just slang term for meaning discreet, jayz and beyonce was very much this way early in there relationship, do you think they both was ashamed of each other? NO, they felt its was nobodies business

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The difference is that Jay-Z and Beyonce even in the early stages had no problem with family and friends knowing. Yes, they waited to announce to media and the world at large, but friends and family still knew. You are comparing apples and oranges, discretion is completely different from never wanting family and friends to know period, simply because a person is TS.

I also agree that it is a girls low self-esteem that allows them to deal with a man who will never introduce to friends and family under any circumstance, like yourself. They either feel like they can't do any better at the moment or they could be looking for a distraction, or some perceived material gain they hope to accomplish. I've seen it time and time again, but with more and more girls dealing with educated people that hang with intellectual friends this becomes less of an issue. In general, intelligence breeds a higher level of open minded thinking opposed to the simple minded that tend to be the most bigoted and afraid of what others think, who travel in the same circles with other closed minded and less intelligent people.

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

how can you say if he was out and about his sexuality he wouldnt be in the same predicament.
what nba players are you talking about, cause the only ones that came out. did it after they retired. jason collins who was the latest, knew his career was just about over, he had nothing to lose
i know im sounding overly negative about this, but its reality. it would be a great day when a sufficient male pro player can come out, i just aint holding my breathe

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I did some research on Mr Collins and it does seem that his career was on a downward swing long before his announcement, so he may not get picked up after the regular season starts, but he still could... Again, there is also soccer where more than a few players have been open about their sexuality. In Collins case and others I don't think 'coming out' has as much to do with their career status so much as the changing social climate and the huge influx of other celebrities who have also came out.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

The difference is that Jay-Z and Beyonce even in the early stages had no problem with family and friends knowing. Yes, they waited to announce to media and the world at large, but friends and family still knew. You are comparing apples and oranges, discretion is completely different from never wanting family and friends to know period, simply because a person is TS.

I also agree that it is a girls low self-esteem that allows them to deal with a man who will never introduce to friends and family under any circumstance, like yourself. They either feel like they can't do any better at the moment or they could be looking for a distraction, or some perceived material gain they hope to accomplish. I've seen it time and time again, but with more and more girls dealing with educated people that hang with intellectual friends this becomes less of an issue. In general, intelligence breeds a higher level of open minded thinking opposed to the simple minded that tend to be the most bigoted and afraid of what others think, who travel in the same circles with other closed minded and less intelligent people.



I did some research on Mr Collins and it does seem that his career was on a downward swing long before his announcement, so he may not get picked up after the regular season starts, but he still could... Again, there is also soccer where more than a few players have been open about their sexuality. In Collins case and others I don't think 'coming out' has as much to do with their career status so much as the changing social climate and the huge influx of other celebrities who have also came out.

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If lebron james came out and said he was gay. ..he would still get picked ip on any nba team without a doubt. Marginal players resort to rabbit tricks in order to get attention and stay relevant. T.o. did it ochocinco did it and the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by raheme

If lebron james came out and said he was gay. ..he would still get picked ip on any nba team without a doubt. Marginal players resort to rabbit tricks in order to get attention and stay relevant. T.o. did it ochocinco did it and the list goes on.

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Interesting point of view on the matter, of course, we will never truly know until a current star does so I reckon. :cool:

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

a. if someone wouldnt bring me around family or friends simply because im trans than yea you are ashamed.could you imagine someone telling you..."yea I would invite you to the cook out but your black and I wouldn't want people to think im cool with african Americans".if you would deal with someone like that than not only do you not think very highly of yourself (low self esteem) but your also a fool lol.
b. Orlando Cruz is a openly gay boxer who not only went to the olympics but still competes in his sport

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we are debating 2 different things. im talking about a casual thing you are talking about a serious thing. if you meet a guy who is a chill partner -drinks, smoke whatever, im sure your not fully interested into meeting his family & love ones, now if the relationship starts getting deeper that another story. so calling them girls with low self esteem is not fair.

orlando cruz is not a sufficient pro athlete to use as an example, plus he a boxer. its totally different for a person to come out in the open in a team sport where he would have to deal with teammates in the locker room

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

The difference is that Jay-Z and Beyonce even in the early stages had no problem with family and friends knowing. Yes, they waited to announce to media and the world at large, but friends and family still knew. You are comparing apples and oranges, discretion is completely different from never wanting family and friends to know period, simply because a person is TS.

I also agree that it is a girls low self-esteem that allows them to deal with a man who will never introduce to friends and family under any circumstance, like yourself. They either feel like they can't do any better at the moment or they could be looking for a distraction, or some perceived material gain they hope to accomplish. I've seen it time and time again, but with more and more girls dealing with educated people that hang with intellectual friends this becomes less of an issue. In general, intelligence breeds a higher level of open minded thinking opposed to the simple minded that tend to be the most bigoted and afraid of what others think, who travel in the same circles with other closed minded and less intelligent people.



I did some research on Mr Collins and it does seem that his career was on a downward swing long before his announcement, so he may not get picked up after the regular season starts, but he still could... Again, there is also soccer where more than a few players have been open about their sexuality. In Collins case and others I don't think 'coming out' has as much to do with their career status so much as the changing social climate and the huge influx of other celebrities who have also came out.

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its not apple & oranges, they both wanted privacy as far as their relationship goes. and do you really know if their family members knew at that time, beynoce sister was ask by a reporter if they were an item and solange said she didnt know. now she could have been lying for them or maybe she really didnt know.

its just not fair to say these girls have low self esteem. you and amber are referring to a serious relationship im not. their are plenty of educated successful women who date thugs / low life's but would you call them women with low self esteem? if thats what they like or dont have a problem with the men they desired if shouldnt be an issue with you nor anybody else.

soccer is more of an international sport so its much easier for them to come out, but in america its totally on another level

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

we are debating 2 different things. im talking about a casual thing you are talking about a serious thing. if you meet a guy who is a chill partner -drinks, smoke whatever, im sure your not fully interested into meeting his family & love ones, now if the relationship starts getting deeper that another story. so calling them girls with low self esteem is not fair.

orlando cruz is not a sufficient pro athlete to use as an example, plus he a boxer. its totally different for a person to come out in the open in a team sport where he would have to deal with teammates in the locker room

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no we are not debating two different things, we are talking about someone being ashamed of a person for who they are rather they be a friend or more.
you can not be my friend if you think its okay to smoke a blunt with me on monday but if i see you at the corner store of thursday with your homie you pretend like you dont know me.that shit is fucked up no matter how you cut it.
you never answered my question about if you would be okay with being friends with a person who didnt want to be known friends with you because you are black.you play ball with this dude, yall kick it watch the game and drink beers but he never invited you to the supe rbowl parties or cook outs because he didnt want his circle to think he was cool with negros...im very interested in your answer....

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

its not apple & oranges, they both wanted privacy as far as their relationship goes. and do you really know if their family members knew at that time, beynoce sister was ask by a reporter if they were an item and solange said she didnt know. now she could have been lying for them or maybe she really didnt know.

its just not fair to say these girls have low self esteem. you and amber are referring to a serious relationship im not. their are plenty of educated successful women who date thugs / low life's but would you call them women with low self esteem? if thats what they like or dont have a problem with the men they desired if shouldnt be an issue with you nor anybody else.

soccer is more of an international sport so its much easier for them to come out, but in america its totally on another level

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you keep thinking we're just talking about a serious relationship but is that the only time you bring people around?you never invited a friend to a cook out, party or get together?
straight up if me and you chilled a few times, had some laughs, shared some drinks and i ran into you at the mall with your cousin would you speak? would you pretend to not know me? run??
would you invite me to the party that your throwing, not even as your girl but as a homie??

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

its not apple & oranges, they both wanted privacy as far as their relationship goes. and do you really know if their family members knew at that time, beynoce sister was ask by a reporter if they were an item and solange said she didnt know. now she could have been lying for them or maybe she really didnt know.

its just not fair to say these girls have low self esteem. you and amber are referring to a serious relationship im not. their are plenty of educated successful women who date thugs / low life's but would you call them women with low self esteem? if thats what they like or dont have a problem with the men they desired if shouldnt be an issue with you nor anybody else.

soccer is more of an international sport so its much easier for them to come out, but in america its totally on another level

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All the people close in their life would respect their privacy and respond to media that way until the couple announced themselves. There is hardly anything that goes on in a celebrity life that the close entourage doesn't see, whether that person be the hair stylist, planner, PA, MUA, assistant, family, friends, someone in the group is seeing stuff that happens that the media never knows.

I wasn't referring to serious relationships, I asked in an earlier post specifically to negate the 'serious relationship' equation saying this:

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M;

I took that to mean you would never introduce a trans woman that you were dealing with relationship wise or just chilling to family or friends. Say for instance you were getting together for a cookout with family or friends, would you take a trans woman along and introduce her as your date for the evening? How about friends going out for couples night, would you invite a trans woman?

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and you replied this

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

to be honest, i most likely wouldnt. but thats why im up front with it

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So you clearly understood that I was just referring to casually. Amber and I go out with friends all the time both guys and girls to cook outs, get together etc no one at the party automatically assumes that because we are invited along that we must be romantically involved with the person that invited us. Even if you go out on a date, most people don't automatically consider that a serious relationship, it's just a date.

Soccer is played in America too, just like Basketball.

Regarding these girls low self esteem, which is a term used in psychology to reflect person's overall emotional evaluation of his or her own worth. You see, self-esteem is the sum of self-confidence (a feeling of personal capacity) and self-respect (a feeling of personal worth). It exists as a consequence of the implicit judgment that every person has of their ability to face life's challenges, to understand and solve problems, and their right to achieve happiness, and be given respect.

You sir, refuse to give them respect outside of the closed in scenario where no one knows that you two socialize. According to your own words, you let them know that you would never allow them to hang with you in your regular life because you are DL which hinders their ability to achieve any form of real happiness or real respect from you. By them continuing to tolerate your presence is a false friendship that they've built around themselves to have some temporary feeling of happiness that really doesn't even exist, they are merely disillusioned and refusing to reflect upon their own self worth to see it.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

All the people close in their life would respect their privacy and respond to media that way until the couple announced themselves. There is hardly anything that goes on in a celebrity life that the close entourage doesn't see, whether that person be the hair stylist, planner, PA, MUA, assistant, family, friends, someone in the group is seeing stuff that happens that the media never knows.

I wasn't referring to serious relationships, I asked in an earlier post specifically to negate the 'serious relationship' equation saying this:



and you replied this



So you clearly understood that I was just referring to casually. Amber and I go out with friends all the time both guys and girls to cook outs, get together etc no one at the party automatically assumes that because we are invited along that we must be romantically involved with the person that invited us. Even if you go out on a date, most people don't automatically consider that a serious relationship, it's just a date.

Soccer is played in America too, just like Basketball.

Regarding these girls low self esteem, which is a term used in psychology to reflect person's overall emotional evaluation of his or her own worth. You see, self-esteem is the sum of self-confidence (a feeling of personal capacity) and self-respect (a feeling of personal worth). It exists as a consequence of the implicit judgment that every person has of their ability to face life's challenges, to understand and solve problems, and their right to achieve happiness, and be given respect.

You sir, refuse to give them respect outside of the closed in scenario where no one knows that you two socialize. According to your own words, you let them know that you would never allow them to hang with you in your regular life because you are DL which hinders their ability to achieve any form of real happiness or real respect from you. By them continuing to tolerate your presence is a false friendship that they've built around themselves to have some temporary feeling of happiness that really doesn't even exist, they are merely disillusioned and refusing to reflect upon their own self worth to see it.

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casual / serious -is small potatoes to this discussion. guess our views are different, cause in minds, i'm not going to invite someone who i know on a casual level to a event with my fam & love ones. regardless of that person being a tgirl or not.

soccer maybe played in america, but its not regarded on that level

again you are judging these girls unfairly. plenty of people would say anybody partaken into the sex industry porn, stripping, escorting, street walking etc.has low self esteem. and im pretty much sure you would disagree! those people who believe that are being judgmental toward those individuals whom they dont know. just like you, on tgirls who do not have an issue with dl men.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

you keep thinking we're just talking about a serious relationship but is that the only time you bring people around?you never invited a friend to a cook out, party or get together?
straight up if me and you chilled a few times, had some laughs, shared some drinks and i ran into you at the mall with your cousin would you speak? would you pretend to not know me? run??
would you invite me to the party that your throwing, not even as your girl but as a homie??

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if i saw you at a mall with my peoples i would acknowledged you.
invite you to a party im throwing... see my answer below

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

no we are not debating two different things, we are talking about someone being ashamed of a person for who they are rather they be a friend or more.
you can not be my friend if you think its okay to smoke a blunt with me on monday but if i see you at the corner store of thursday with your homie you pretend like you dont know me.that shit is fucked up no matter how you cut it.
you never answered my question about if you would be okay with being friends with a person who didnt want to be known friends with you because you are black.you play ball with this dude, yall kick it watch the game and drink beers but he never invited you to the supe rbowl parties or cook outs because he didnt want his circle to think he was cool with negros...im very interested in your answer....

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actually i currently work with a few people whom im very cool with. we even have drinks after work occasionally -but i would never expect them to invite me to their home with their families. few months back i was talking with one of them after work in a bar, a few drinks in he began to talk about his mother and aunt on how much they both hated president obama -they believe he a double agent mulsim working for some middle eastern group brought here to destroy the united states of america. when he told me we just bust out laughing. now should i not be his friends cause his family are blatantly racist?

which leads into me -im not ashamed of being attractive to tgirls. more or less im ashamed of the portions of family members & love ones that are too religious or ignorant to accept them. and i just would not want to put any girl in harms way or in a uncomfortable situation