change of pace: the ideal man

fellaz, lets take a backseat on this one and let the ladies (those of u who post as well as those that lurk) describe or explain to us what they, as individuals, feel is their ideal guy. its no right or wrong answer, and u can feel free to post pics if u want. i would just personaly like to know where some of u women are coming from when u say there are no good men around. give us all a reference of a 'good man' in your opinion so we wont have to assume its not always about the looks or the money (if its not)...this post will probably drop like bricks in water but i just figured id put the opportunity out there to discuss something beyond sex and what not...

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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut

fellaz, lets take a backseat on this one and let the ladies (those of u who post as well as those that lurk) describe or explain to us what they, as individuals, feel is their ideal guy. its no right or wrong answer, and u can feel free to post pics if u want. i would just personaly like to know where some of u women are coming from when u say there are no good men around. give us all a reference of a 'good man' in your opinion so we wont have to assume its not always about the looks or the money (if its not)...this post will probably drop like bricks in water but i just figured id put the opportunity out there to discuss something beyond sex and what not...

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Anyone that knows me knows intelligence is first and foremost. He must be secure in himself and his sexuality. He must be sane and possess common sense. I am not that hung up on looks he must be neat in appearance and fit. I can always improve a mans looks but there is no amount of make over that will make a nut dateable. LOL

He should be goal oriented and driven have some kind of plan for his life. He would adore me and respect me. I would be just as beautiful to him in jeans and a tshirt with a pony tail as I am in my fantasy fotos. He would treat me as an equal and he would want the best for me as I do him. He would be supportive and considerate.

In the bed room he would be worried more about my satisfaction than getting his nut especially if I am doing the same for him.

Basically my ideal man would be me with out tits. LOL

I never say there are no good men out there or think that the infractions of a few speak for you all as a whole. Most times men and girls alike get tired and just play the game that everyone else is playing.

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Originally Posted by TSSexyChanel

Anyone that knows me knows intelligence is first and foremost. He must be secure in himself and his sexuality. He must be sane and possess common sense. I am not that hung up on looks he must be neat in appearance and fit. I can always improve a mans looks but there is no amount of make over that will make a nut dateable. LOL

He should be goal oriented and driven have some kind of plan for his life. He would adore me and respect me. I would be just as beautiful to him in jeans and a tshirt with a pony tail as I am in my fantasy fotos. He would treat me as an equal and he would want the best for me as I do him. He would be supportive and considerate.

In the bed room he would be worried more about my satisfaction than getting his nut especially if I am doing the same for him.

Basically my ideal man would be me with out tits. LOL

I never say there are no good men out there or think that the infractions of a few speak for you all as a whole. Most times men and girls alike get tired and just play the game that everyone else is playing.

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Thanks for sharing that Chanel. It really sounds like you just want a man who'll appreciate you and all the special things that you do. Nothing wrong with that.

Seems the problem in finding a good man is that no one knows what a good man is. LOL

Where da responses?

I am sorry it's boring, snowing again and my bff is not on yahoo.

LOL

I'm with u big sis, intelligence is key. I'm no dummy and I need u to match what I bring to the table. Be diverse and able to maintain conversation on things that matter. Humor is huge for me also. Make me smile and u have my attention. I'm a clown so someone dry won't mesh... ummm also well balanced with eclectic taste or at least an open mind.

After that, looks play a major role but that's not as important as the aforementioned... however if I work to maintain myself, so I expect a man to do the same.

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Originally Posted by TSSexyChanel

Anyone that knows me knows intelligence is first and foremost. He must be secure in himself and his sexuality. He must be sane and possess common sense. I am not that hung up on looks he must be neat in appearance and fit. I can always improve a mans looks but there is no amount of make over that will make a nut dateable. LOL

He should be goal oriented and driven have some kind of plan for his life. He would adore me and respect me. I would be just as beautiful to him in jeans and a tshirt with a pony tail as I am in my fantasy fotos. He would treat me as an equal and he would want the best for me as I do him. He would be supportive and considerate.

In the bed room he would be worried more about my satisfaction than getting his nut especially if I am doing the same for him.

Basically my ideal man would be me with out tits. LOL

I never say there are no good men out there or think that the infractions of a few speak for you all as a whole. Most times men and girls alike get tired and just play the game that everyone else is playing.

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So Chanel, what you're saying is that a TGirl wants what every Girl wants and I can appreciate that.

But, as you said some (all sexes) get tired and play the games. The largest obstacle for us men that want a LTR with a Transgendered woman is that tag of "Tranny chaser". I live in San Fran. and there are really no places to go to meet the ladies in a social way. The few places where you can find them are simply the places they go to find a "date" (which I am not against - lol). The minute you walk in you are nothing more then that (for the most part) and it's harder than heck to get them to let their guards down long enough to show that I'm serious about an honest relationship - or a simple dinner date or movie and not just sex. I do understand their position but at the same time how in the world can they expect to find a guy for anything more then sex or a sugar daddy? Even when I meet a girl in a store or walking down the sidewalk and I try to speak to them they either give me a very cold shoulder or want to know if I want a "date".

I've had two LTR's (if you can one year for one and eight months with the other long) that ended because niether of them contributed to the relationship. Not financially or mentally. I paid the rent and food and movies and some clothing and I was supportive of the fact they were both entertainers and pageant girls and encouraged them to be the best. They made good money but it never ended up in the communal pot and this brought on the spats. Then there was of course the occassional "dates" I eventually found out about but hey - I knew that one going in. I'd of just felt better about them had they not lied and said they weren't dating anymore.

So, I think to add to the original question of what do you ladies want I'm asking how do we men get through to the ladies that we're not "tranny chasers" in the sence that we just want sex. I personally want a TGirl for a relationship as I'm no longer interested in GG's and that's my personal preference but how in the world can a guy get a girl to understand that?

If of all, looking for a ‘good man’ is nothing more than a superlative brought about by a societal fantasy of what “real” should be. If a person has never been in a noteworthy relationship then they are bullshitting themselves in believing what is real.
A relationship is an experience that one will never forget. It has value that will live to the next relationship and the substance drawn from it will make a person wiser and stronger from it.
Most t-girls [I know] have never been in a substantial relationship, never! It is easy to say they want a good man, but do they know how to be a “good woman”? That is an ideal!
It is idealistic to say a person should be intelligent; have good looks; money, whatever, it is still an ideal! Do they (woman/man) know how to be a good person? That is really what this boils down to! Do they (woman/man) know how to give rather than take; a virtuous concept that should be shared by all? That premise works if its man on man; woman on woman; man on woman, woman on man, etc.; everyone craves reciprocal affection and mutual respect. To be in a relationship is nothing to bullshit with; it cannot be one-sided. It’s not TV; it’s not “When Harry meets Sally”, its red pill for all that it’s worth, it’s real!
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A guy who is handsome and not dumb as dirt; and funny, kind, considerate -- all those things are a given. But there is something different about TGirls, from my studies of the phenomena.

And that is that many wish to find a straight guy who at first thinks they are a genetic girl (GG), and only after a period of time and getting to know her, realizes that she is a TG, and then in a flash of enlightenment decides she is a true woman and that his love for her is more important than what's between her legs. ... Something like that.

They'd prefer the above Prince Charming scenario over an experienced trannychaser -- no offense intended. Although a chaser is presumably better than a straight guy who recoils in terror, or a prejudiced guy who hates her from the minute he realizes her status, etc, etc. Maybe the TGirls could like a reforming chaser who is willing in principle to settle down. :)

The last two replys make good sense I'm glad TVSURfer added woman in on that notion of not knowing how to be in a relationship. Most of them have no idea of their roles in a relationship. Which really makes me wonder about the obstacles of the TS community. Its all one big game and I'm almost totally convinced of this. As MrF put it w/o using the exact word these ladies search for what they think they want to only find out that its not what they thought they wanted, and if analyzed would understand it to be the hunt/challenge that never got out of their systems. Can't transform that.

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Originally Posted by MrF

A guy who is handsome and not dumb as dirt; and funny, kind, considerate -- all those things are a given. But there is something different about TGirls, from my studies of the phenomena.

And that is that many wish to find a straight guy who at first thinks they are a genetic girl (GG), and only after a period of time and getting to know her, realizes that she is a TG, and then in a flash of enlightenment decides she is a true woman and that his love for her is more important than what's between her legs. ... Something like that.

They'd prefer the above Prince Charming scenario over an experienced trannychaser -- no offense intended. Although a chaser is presumably better than a straight guy who recoils in terror, or a prejudiced guy who hates her from the minute he realizes her status, etc, etc. Maybe the TGirls could like a reforming chaser who is willing in principle to settle down. :)

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^ this..........