im sure that if our friends and family knew what we were doing they would think so.
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im sure that if our friends and family knew what we were doing they would think so.
depends on the person. I believe a majority of people would say we are gay, but I do not see it that way. When im with a tgirls I always see them as a woman so in my head I am not gay. Plus if you are not passable and sexy im not gonna do ya! I have run into men with wigs on and walked away. I meet too many bullshitters on the party line that are always saying they are passable when in reality they are laughable.
No im not gay, do not see myself as gay either. A real tgirls lives her life as a woman and wants to be treated like a woman. So I see myself with a woman.
J.M.
Its always been my understanding that gay guys want men that look like men, whether they are a skinny twink or a muscle bound stud, they want men. They want nothing to do with femininity as an attraction in a mate, otherwise many say they would go out with a woman if they wanted that.
The spectrum of human sexuality is so varied that you can only go after what you like, without worrying about the labels.
I'm sure there are dudes who will have sex with Women/Transsexual Women/Transvestites/Cross Dressers, etc, if the ass is being given up they will take it and get theirs, :)
Then there are the dudes who will like strickly women, nothing else, then there are guys who will like strictly dudes, no questions.
Me personally I like Women - be they Transsexual or Genetically born women. If they have a narrow waist, are soft and smooth with wide hips and embrace femininity I like them. Could never see myself with some other dude with muscles and hairy chest, that would do nothing for me, it has no attraction.
I'm very dominant sexually and thus Transsexuals are a compliment to that because many, not all of course enjoy a man who will handle his business with them. :)
For the most part I agree with what you have stated above, that "true" gayQuote:
Originally Posted by BlkMuscleTop
men are only interested in men that conduct themselves as men. They are
not into natal or trans women or anybody who in their heart and mind's
identifies as a female.
What I personally feel has a connotation or inference of being gay is when the
man indulges in acts that are traditionally performed by the female ie. he
sucks dick or gets fucked, if the woman is still a pre op.
I of course on an intellectual level realize that the act in and of itself does not
make the man gay, but at an emotional level for me it takes away some of
his masculinity and such a person who has actively engaged in that type of
sexual activity wouldn't be a viable mate for me.
Aah, hence the mystery of it all Peggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
I mean there are those Tgirls who will say even though they like to penetrate a guy as a pre-op that they are all woman in the end. There are the ladies who are all bottom and the guys who like to bottom and those like myself who like to top. The mere fact that we even use these terms bottom and top, terms usually associated with the homosexual community bears a pause for thought. :)
This is why I'm fascinated with the whole human construct, because you can have two transsexual women together and they will have differing feelings about their interaction with a man and what that implies.
Take me for example, I'm an open minded guy, I would even pleasure a transsexual pre or post op orally if it is something she desires, but I have no desire to be penetrated, but I don't really know why it is that is the case.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Pun intended as well. :)
Its all definitely some intriguing stuff, there can be no right or wrong answer, only what one is into because of the greatest sexual organ on earth the human mind and those emotions that emanate from it. You are right it all comes back to the socio-emotional level of what turns one on in their sexual interactions with another person. Wether we realize it or not we are a product of our society and that tends to affect our actions be it conscious or not.
Excellent response. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlkMuscleTop
And I too take great care to not use the terms "top" and "bottom" because
they are from the gay vernacular, and I do not view transsexual as being
in any way related to that lifestyle. Indeed I feel that the "T" should be
removed from under the LGBT umbrella and more properly should be in the
heterosexual camp, but I digress.
There are indeed many transwomen who will only act as the penetrative
partner, and will adamantly feel that this does not detract from their
femininity. The same can be said of men who may adopt a stereotypically
feminine position in the bed room, but are all man when they leave.
As you have alluded to, and as the research of Kinsey has borne out, human
sexuality is not binary, it is not simply gay or straight, black or white, but
rather on the continuum there are many shades of grey.
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resou...ting-scale.jpg
0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6- Exclusively homosexual
dayum Good Question.........
Forget labels, if you get excited by it then thats cool. I see nothing wrong with gay men or gay woemn. An Ex of mine who was older had 2 gay daughters and I loved them. Sexuality does not define a person and I think its the conservative media and society that causes people to see homosexuality as a taboo or a bad thing.
my personal feeling is if you suck dick and get fucked in the ass your gay, this doesn't apply to T-Girls because they feel they are women, for a guy to like to get hit in the rear or suck dick, that's too much bitch like for me, that's what gays guys do, hell if you let a GG fuck you in the ass with a dildo, I feel your sortta gay.
I never want to or having any desire to do either, that doesn't come into the equation for me.
I'm not being nasty or mean, just my thoughts, if that's what your into.... cool, just not for me.
I'm going to side with you on this, and take it one step farther: cause if we(those of us that are natural men) are having sexual relations with people with penises then i think it is safe to say that we are having sex with men. Thus we are all gay (at least those of us who fit under this umbrella- ella - ella - aye). Sure nuff the female look is what attracts us originally heterosexual men to those Transexuals but i think its the adrenaline rush with a mixture of conquer and destroy that allows most of us to continually be attracted to the best of both worlds.Quote:
Originally Posted by roninva
I think that is part of the beauty of the attraction to Tgirls
Some guys like to penetrate
Some guys like to be penetrated
Some guys will get down in any old freaky way
Some transsexuals like to be penetrated
Some transsexuals who are pre-op like to penetrate
Variety is certainly the spice of life, as long as its two consenting adults doing what they want, its all good.
Since I strictly like to penetrate, I used to believe that guys who want to be penetrated were secretly gay or something, not that anything is wrong with that at all. I then realized though that some pre-op transsexuals like to penetrate guys. If they like to do that then what does it all mean.
The only hard and fast rule I have is I have no desire in being penetrated, but everything else is fair game, I'd even be willing to give her a blow job if she wants that area pleasured.
I'm dominant sexually and therefore like the submissive side of transsexual women, on the other hand there are guys I realize who are submissive sexually and like the dominant side of a transsexual woman. That I think is the crux of it folks.
I know i'm definately not Straight, probably Bisexual would be a better term, i've had sexual encounters with both sexes and found them all to be enjoyable. If that makes me Gay, then Gay I am.
If you like both pussy and dick its make you bi. If you like just dick it makes you gay. I personally have been with all sexes women,tgirls,men,and cd's.I love both dick and pussy. I feel that makes me bisexual.
One thing I have realized is that in being attracted to transsexual women, it makes me at least much more tolerant of those with differing sexualities.
For example I can come across a gay site of men's dicks while searching for transsexuals on the net and not be repulsed by seeing gay guys. I'm just indifferent about it. The most I might think to myself is I wished that cock was fucking the shit out of a soft, bottom transsexual.
Its very weird to me. I can see two gay guys who look like men and there is no turn on for me, but introduce a transsexual, even a very cute CD or TV, meaning very smooth, soft and feminine in their behavior, wearing thongs, panties, lingerie, nails all done and pure fem in their behavior and that shit turns me into a raging bull. I'm living proof guys are more visual indeed. :)
I guess the only thing that indicates is that I have no attraction to masculinity in its basic form.
Its a very fascinating thing to realize. I think there is a whole bunch of things going on in the equation for me when it comes to transsexuals
1. Dominant/Submissive factors in sexuality, I like tgirls with attitude, makes the sexual conquest of them more fun for me.
2. Attraction to hyper femininity
3. The social taboos that runs against the norm of everyday interactions.
As someone posted above if any of this makes me gay, then damn it I'll be happily gay. :)
So it's the women that say they don't need a man for anything - that makeQuote:
Originally Posted by BlkMuscleTop
their own money, can change their own flat tires, and that say they can live
without a man, that turn you on?
Or is it.......
The Buffy the Body, Jessica Rabbit, Barbie Doll, mini skirted, stockings, garters,Quote:
2. Attraction to hyper femininity
heels, ready to fuck 24/7, turn the clock back to the 1950s, undo women's lib
type chick, that puts the lead in your pencil?
Another hard, probing question by Peggygee.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
You know that is a very good question. I would have to say for me the Dominant/Submissive aspect of things is limited to the sexual roles in the bedroom. In the bedroom I'm going to be the dude that takes charge and does the fucking, if you catch my drift.
When it comes to other aspects of the relationship though its all cool with me. I like chicks that are strong willed in everyday life but yet when the lights go down they can give up some of that control to daddy. See what I mean Peggy.
I don't like weak pushover chicks in day to day life, they bore me.
So in summary when it comes to putting the lead in my pencil, like that phrase by the way, I like the women who are strong outside of the bedroom but submissive in it. That stimulates me big time, something about knowing that they are strong willed in carrying out their business but will let their guard down in passionate intimacy in the sheets. :)
I think that contrast in a woman be it transsexual or genetic speaks to their confidence in knowing what they want and not being mousy and timid about it. I think the operative term is a strong willed woman.
no. we are not gay, tgirls are women. some of whom just happen to have a long clitoris
Ask yourself do you like men? Do you like masculine type men/tgirls? Do you take it in the ass? Do you suck dick?
If you answer yes to any of these then, well...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ballznnutzz
Just cause you go to the buffet and don't eat the tomatoes doesn't change the fact that you were at the buffet.
It's amazing to hear dudes talk about messing with someone with a dick but say "Well I didn't suck it and "she" didn't use it so I'm straight."
If you are attracted to someone with a dick then well,....
That's like saying if two dudes get together and only one does fucking/sucking only one is gay.
I'm not gay and don't consider myself gay in any way. I LOVE females and what I consider passable and attractive t-girls and want absolutely NOTHING to do with men, grag queens or transvestites in a sexual, amorous or romantic situation.
I've been with a handful of beautiful girls on this site, a short, but impressive list, including some of the most popular, and believe you me they were ALL very feminine and attractive: girls that I would have a relationship with if only they'd have me! So far I've made mostly good choices, with only one regret over the years.
Besides, I think if we were gay we probably wouldn't be visiting this site, but sites with naked men instead.
Lawd, people and there Delusional Conception of Reality and Life... ... ... ...