Changing Looks???

Why do some T-girls go thru such drastic changes in appearance?? Mostly black girls how can U measure 36- 30 36 or whatever & then end up with a 50" ass later??? Mostly I wonder bout the facial features... what are these girls doing to their faces??? You see a few of the girls on this site(& others, but since I'm mostly into sisters...) who had nice features and in a later update or whatever their cheekbones look like the Joker in the 1st Batman movie or the jawline ould be in USMC recruiting poster!!! I leave out the overdone boob jobs. Why ???

In the mind's eye of every women, trans or natal, they have a vision of what
they ideally could look like.

For women transitioning, they may seek to get as far away from what they
looked like in their birth gender as possible .

Then too, some may subscribe to a hyper-feminine body image.

And for some, they may feel if a little was good, thhen more will be better.

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Originally Posted by junintoiro

Why do some T-girls go thru such drastic changes in appearance?? Mostly black girls how can U measure 36- 30 36 or whatever & then end up with a 50" ass later??? Mostly I wonder bout the facial features... what are these girls doing to their faces??? You see a few of the girls on this site(& others, but since I'm mostly into sisters...) who had nice features and in a later update or whatever their cheekbones look like the Joker in the 1st Batman movie or the jawline ould be in USMC recruiting poster!!! I leave out the overdone boob jobs. Why ???

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One thing that I've noticed is that most black TS that I've ever met either despise females or do not associate with them in their everyday personal lives. How can you despise what you're trying to be like is beyond my understanding. Anyhow, this is a great topic. I used to try to coach girls and advise them on what we as men, and society in general, think is feminine & passable. Nevertheless, they ignore the advice and listen to their friends and the gay community. That its totally understandable, but it seems that they lock themselves into a certain lifestyle once you make drastic changes like that. Even if you do pass, everyone might think you're a stripper or call girl because of the over exaggeration of body parts.

Most black women and TS think that all men want big booty, big titty girls. I can say that for the most part this is true, but some of us black males like naturally fit & trim girls. So now, you see women even getting butt injections and waist reductions to look like a black barbie if you will. The sad part about it is that for the most part, you only see strippers/groupies/club rats/escorts doing that type of elective surgery in the black community. The average woman out here usually deals with what she has.

I think many black TS think that's how women look and they continue to go overboard. More is better. Bigger tits, bigger ass, bigger hips. They do not realize that regardless, they still are building this on a male frame. Meaning that a "thick" black woman with ass and hips can be about 5'4", maybe 135-140lbs, and be naturally curvy. For a black TS, height averaging about 5'9", you're going to be pushing 180-200lbs to accomplish the same effect. That's NFL corner back size. It rarely comes out well put together.

Another thing that I heard from a TS friend of mine is that in some communities, the amount of surgeries you have shows your wealth. When I spent time in Iraq, Sadaam had a good number or lakes, waterfalls, pools, etc. within the walls of his many palaces. Having large amounts of water is a symbol of wealth & power in a desert country. I think it is the same sometimes in the TS community from what I was told and seen. Surgeries and "improvements" is a sign that you are doing well for yourself.

Finally, some girls are just never going to be happy with themselves regardless of who tells them they are perfect. They are always going to strive to look like the newest it girl in Hollywood or entertainment, or what they think looks good.

Regardless of the reasons, its their body and they have a right to change it (or mangle it...just kidding!) anyway they see fit. We are only drooling over them every time they whip out their cock on the porn sites or come to town with an Eros ad. They are the ones that have to look in the mirror and be happy with themselves everyday.

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Originally Posted by dirtysouth

one Thing That I've Noticed Is That Most Black Ts That I've Ever Met Either Despise Females Or Do Not Associate With Them In Their Everyday Personal Lives. How Can You Despise What You're Trying To Be Like Is Beyond My Understanding. Anyhow, This Is A Great Topic. I Used To Try To Coach Girls And Advise Them On What We As Men, And Society In General, Think Is Feminine & Passable. Nevertheless, They Ignore The Advice And Listen To Their Friends And The Gay Community. That Its Totally Understandable, But It Seems That They Lock Themselves Into A Certain Lifestyle Once You Make Drastic Changes Like That. Even If You Do Pass, Everyone Might Think You're A Stripper Or Call Girl Because Of The Over Exaggeration Of Body Parts.

Most Black Women And Ts Think That All Men Want Big Booty, Big Titty Girls. I Can Say That For The Most Part This Is True, But Some Of Us Black Males Like Naturally Fit & Trim Girls. So Now, You See Women Even Getting Butt Injections And Waist Reductions To Look Like A Black Barbie If You Will. The Sad Part About It Is That For The Most Part, You Only See Strippers/groupies/club Rats/escorts Doing That Type Of Elective Surgery In The Black Community. The Average Woman Out Here Usually Deals With What She Has.

I Think Many Black Ts Think That's How Women Look And They Continue To Go Overboard. More Is Better. Bigger Tits, Bigger Ass, Bigger Hips. They Do Not Realize That Regardless, They Still Are Building This On A Male Frame. Meaning That A "thick" Black Woman With Ass And Hips Can Be About 5'4", Maybe 135-140lbs, And Be Naturally Curvy. For A Black Ts, Height Averaging About 5'9", You're Going To Be Pushing 180-200lbs To Accomplish The Same Effect. That's Nfl Corner Back Size. It Rarely Comes Out Well Put Together.

Another Thing That I Heard From A Ts Friend Of Mine Is That In Some Communities, The Amount Of Surgeries You Have Shows Your Wealth. When I Spent Time In Iraq, Sadaam Had A Good Number Or Lakes, Waterfalls, Pools, Etc. Within The Walls Of His Many Palaces. having Large Amounts Of Water Is A Symbol Of Wealth & Power In A Desert Country. I Think It Is The Same Sometimes In The Ts Community From What I Was Told And Seen. Surgeries And "improvements" Is A Sign That You Are Doing Well For Yourself.

Finally, Some Girls Are Just Never Going To Be Happy With Themselves Regardless Of Who Tells Them They Are Perfect. They Are Always Going To Strive To Look Like The Newest It Girl In Hollywood Or Entertainment, Or What They Think Looks Good.

Regardless Of The Reasons, Its Their Body And They Have A Right To Change It (or Mangle It...just Kidding!) Anyway They See Fit. We Are Only Drooling Over Them Every Time They Whip Out Their Cock On The Porn Sites Or Come To Town With An Eros Ad. They Are The Ones That Have To Look In The Mirror And Be Happy With Themselves Everyday.

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Hey Dirty...can't Be Said Any Better Than That...good Point.

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Originally Posted by DirtySouth

One thing that I've noticed is that most black TS that I've ever met either despise females or do not associate with them in their everyday personal lives. How can you despise what you're trying to be like is beyond my understanding. Anyhow, this is a great topic. I used to try to coach girls and advise them on what we as men, and society in general, think is feminine & passable. Nevertheless, they ignore the advice and listen to their friends and the gay community. That its totally understandable, but it seems that they lock themselves into a certain lifestyle once you make drastic changes like that. Even if you do pass, everyone might think you're a stripper or call girl because of the over exaggeration of body parts.

Most black women and TS think that all men want big booty, big titty girls. I can say that for the most part this is true, but some of us black males like naturally fit & trim girls. So now, you see women even getting butt injections and waist reductions to look like a black barbie if you will. The sad part about it is that for the most part, you only see strippers/groupies/club rats/escorts doing that type of elective surgery in the black community. The average woman out here usually deals with what she has.

I think many black TS think that's how women look and they continue to go overboard. More is better. Bigger tits, bigger ass, bigger hips. They do not realize that regardless, they still are building this on a male frame. Meaning that a "thick" black woman with ass and hips can be about 5'4", maybe 135-140lbs, and be naturally curvy. For a black TS, height averaging about 5'9", you're going to be pushing 180-200lbs to accomplish the same effect. That's NFL corner back size. It rarely comes out well put together.

Another thing that I heard from a TS friend of mine is that in some communities, the amount of surgeries you have shows your wealth. When I spent time in Iraq, Sadaam had a good number or lakes, waterfalls, pools, etc. within the walls of his many palaces. Having large amounts of water is a symbol of wealth & power in a desert country. I think it is the same sometimes in the TS community from what I was told and seen. Surgeries and "improvements" is a sign that you are doing well for yourself.

Finally, some girls are just never going to be happy with themselves regardless of who tells them they are perfect. They are always going to strive to look like the newest it girl in Hollywood or entertainment, or what they think looks good.

Regardless of the reasons, its their body and they have a right to change it (or mangle it...just kidding!) anyway they see fit. We are only drooling over them every time they whip out their cock on the porn sites or come to town with an Eros ad. They are the ones that have to look in the mirror and be happy with themselves everyday.

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I can see most of what you're saying when I comes to breast & ass enhanchment. Since I've lived in Atl I've heard guys talk about thik & "GA thik" (lol). Some of these girls TS & GG should be to weight watchers & shit. I haven't been impreesed by breasts since I was 17, I got with this girl w/ large breasts until she took her bra off & they just sagged like on a old lady. but all that aside I can't comment on the phsyc stuff, buut what about the facial stuff???? I was checking out BTG when it 1st got started, I've seen girls with really cute, passable features & later it's like "WHAT THE FUCK!!!" They look like they've been in a car wreck!!!

Good response DS. As far as facial features go, many try to be subtle with the work they get done, but when they use 'sil' injections for these procedures complications can occur like the 'sil' migrating, and the 'pump' doctors are always a gamble anyway. Some others go for an 'overdone' look on purpose as they are into the 'showgirl' scene. While others simply get addicted to having procedures done, and will always find some 'small correction' to go back and fix.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Good response DS. As far as facial features go, many try to be subtle with the work they get done, but when they use 'sil' injections for these procedures complications can occur like the 'sil' migrating, and the 'pump' doctors are always a gamble anyway. Some others go for an 'overdone' look on purpose as they are into the 'showgirl' scene. While others simply get addicted to having procedures done, and will always find some 'small correction' to go back and fix.

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He's alive!!!!!! LOL just kidding.

Good points there RxR. I usually hear the excuse that the constant mods (especially to the face) are to make them look feminine when really they aren't. A lot of times, that can't be helped.

In my book you have three types of TS. The ones that look like men, the ones that look like females, and the ones that look like trannys. That type of thinking lands you in the latter in most circumstances. I just find it odd that most girls do not listen to men (the ones they are ultimately trying to appear attractive to) or females (the ones they are trying to appear like).

Again, it's all up to a girl on how she looks. Whatever suites her. I only voice my opinion when the whole passing agenda or what men prefer comes up

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Originally Posted by junintoiro

I can see most of what you're saying when I comes to breast & ass enhanchment. Since I've lived in Atl I've heard guys talk about thik & "GA thik" (lol). Some of these girls TS & GG should be to weight watchers & shit. I haven't been impreesed by breasts since I was 17, I got with this girl w/ large breasts until she took her bra off & they just sagged like on a old lady. but all that aside I can't comment on the phsyc stuff, buut what about the facial stuff???? I was checking out BTG when it 1st got started, I've seen girls with really cute, passable features & later it's like "WHAT THE FUCK!!!" They look like they've been in a car wreck!!!

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LOL a lot of times, some girls are just too cheap or take bad advice on what to fix with their face. I've seen quite pretty faces ruined by bad ideas and cheap procedures. If Im going to alter what God gave me, I'm damn going to make sure I get the top of the line shit and the top of the line person to administer it.

Yeah, that GA Thick shit is very true. Everyone can't pull it off. If it's natural, let it be. I've seen too many girls woofing down combo meals and large ice teas trying to be something they arent. It ends up looking gross.

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Originally Posted by DirtySouth

One thing that I've noticed is that most black TS that I've ever met either despise females or do not associate with them in their everyday personal lives. How can you despise what you're trying to be like is beyond my understanding. Anyhow, this is a great topic. I used to try to coach girls and advise them on what we as men, and society in general, think is feminine & passable.

Nevertheless, they ignore the advice and listen to their friends and the gay community. That its totally understandable, but it seems that they lock themselves into a certain lifestyle once you make drastic changes like that. Even if you do pass, everyone might think you're a stripper or call girl because of the over exaggeration of body parts.

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Originally Posted by DirtySouth

In my book you have three types of TS. The ones that look like men, the ones that look like females, and the ones that look like trannys.

That type of thinking lands you in the latter in most circumstances. I just find it odd that most girls do not listen to men (the ones they are ultimately trying to appear attractive to) or females (the ones they are trying to appear like).

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I have read many posts, on many forums.

I have heard many statements about many transwomen, from many people.
And I have read all the responses in this thread.

Sadly, I must say that much of what Dirty South has stated is true and
accurate.

Tiime and time again I have heard from 'many' transwomen their disdain,
loathing, and distrust for genetic females.

I must say that I could never understand the animosity that so many of my
trans-sisters felt to our natal sisters.

Further, I feel that you are right, that there are 'some' transwomen who are
caught up and immersed in the tranny and gay life styles. For them they may
never fully make the transition or assimilation to mainstream society.

I have had 'work' done on my body almost from head to toe. And I can fully
understand the need and the desire to correct real or perceived physical
flaws.

However when I was having my procedures done I took my time, did them in
moderation. I knew I didn't want the 'surged look, and I also took the advice
of the females in my family as well as men like my Brother, and male family
members, as well as my surgeons.

I have said it before, and I will say it again: I transitioned to be the woman
that I was born to be, not to forever be transsexual. An important part of
that for me was to be able to assimilate into mainstream society. As such I
have done all that was required legally, socialization wise, surgically - though
in moderation.

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Originally Posted by peggygee

I have said it before, and I will say it again: I transitioned to be the woman
that I was born to be, not to forever be transsexual. An important part of
that for me was to be able to assimilate into mainstream society. As such I
have done all that was required legally, socialization wise, surgically - though
in moderation.

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Thank you Peggy once again for another great point of view from your spectrum.

Sad to say, most girls these days seem to not be planning to transition in mainstream society (i.e. get a real job) and merge into that role of woman instead of transsexual - whether they know it or not. Everyone wants to be an escort or a spoiled rich plaything like Kim Kardashin lol. They do not understand that DDD tits and a 50" ass is not natural on a TS frame and it flat out looks like a lifetime escort/stripper/ghetto.

I know a handful of girls who did not choose this route and do very well for themselves working in the real world and trying to live like a woman. I would hope that more girls would step up and realize that they have to prepare for the long haul. You can't hoe forever.

About what you said about most black TS despising women - it's another sad but true. I understand that women can be callous and mean to a M2F in transistion or even advanced. To despise what you're trying to be like is beyond my understanding as I stated. The realest TS I've met surrond themselves with women. Not just an aunt or cousin....women outside the family circle, outside of the sex industry.

Some very good points in this thread. Very very interesting...... and if we were to dig deeper and be truly honest with ourselves then we'd be in for a surprise. But i'll patiently wait for that thread. I'm totally in sync with Juni..., DS, and Remy's POV's in fact my favorite TLady went and almost messed up her face (Remy you should know who i'm talking about, not sure if you agree). But I'm prepared for whatever she intends to do to her body cause i'm sure its coming. Nonetheless the key words in this discussion are "Natural :)and un-natural:mad:"