Can I Tell The Truth?

I tried to have this discussion on BGC a good while back. But the people on there are so out of touch with reality, that it was a waste of time.

In all seriousness, I really believe that too many people in this lifestyle are using it to live a lie. It's safe to assume that if you're a guy on this site, then you like transsexuals (TS). With that said, it's time for dudes and trannies to quit lying to themselves about what they are and about their own sexuality. There's no such thing as a straight man that fucks TS'. In all reality, TS' are just men that live as women, but they're not women. So if you're fucking TS', then you're bisexual in the least. It's time for both trannies and men to quit lying to themselves about this.

I came to peace with myself about this a long time ago. I like the thought of being with a man that looks and feels like a woman, but has male sex organs. I could never fuck with a post-op TS, because I like male parts, but I don't like "guys." So, I'm bisexual at least. All of you other guys can be at peace with yourselves when you admit this as well. To all the TS -- you aren't women. To all the men -- if you fuck with TS', you aren't straight. I actually think it's disrespectful to call a TS a woman. All of you were given birth by a woman, so to say that a man who imitates them is the same as them, that's disrespectful.

I don't have anything against TS, I like them a lot. A lot of guys don't want to admit that they like the same sex, so by them fucking with a TS, they feel as if it's not the same thing. Also, some of the TS don't wan to be labeled gay or bisexual, so they convince themselves and others that they're women. That's a lie, and it's time for all the lies in this lifestyle to cease.

Wait a minute..hold-up..for your information this is a DEAD ISSUE. I for one didn't come on this forum to discuss why i like ts women.if i thought it was a problem..i would go somewhere where i could get help for my problem. It seems as if you are consumed with guilt.this is not a problem solving forum..this is an admirer's forum.take that SHIGGITY back to bgc live.

Why would I be guilty? I'm at peace with myself and totally honest with myself. You on the otherhand, are typing with extreme anger, which proves guilt on your part. I obviously struck a nerve with you. I obviously made you look in the mirror and face what you've been lying to yourself about all this time. Is there too much truth for you contained in what I said? I don't care if it's a dead issue, I revived it.

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Originally Posted by Occultist

Why would I be guilty? I'm at peace with myself and totally honest with myself. You on the otherhand, are typing with extreme anger, which proves guilt on your part. I obviously struck a nerve with you. I obviously made you look in the mirror and face what you've been lying to yourself about all this time. Is there too much truth for you contained in what I said? I don't care if it's a dead issue, I revived it.

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Repeat...DEAD ISSUE.

I think any issue that sparks lively debate is welcomed, or at least should be. My stance on the greater issue is this. Online communities are called virtual reality for a reason. it's not supposed to be real life because its not! just like it was stated that ts are not "real" woman because they are not. So its weird to condemn an alternate reality community for not being "real!"

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I actually think it's disrespectful to call a TS a woman. All of you were given birth by a woman, so to say that a man who imitates them is the same as them, that's disrespectful.

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That's interesting.

Yeah I've seen this topic beaten up over here and over at BGC. I still don't understand people care about how other people classify themselves, especially when there can be so much to consider when determining why one person is sexually attracted to another. The issue isn't as black and white as some people try to make it out to be, and the debate can get a bit silly when ultimately any decision I make to label myself will have no impact on anyone else here.

Still, since these discussions tend to focus on transwomen, I always like to throw out the notion of a genetic man/transman (FTM) relationship and see if that changes the opinion any.

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Originally Posted by TurboMan

Wait a minute..hold-up..for your information this is a DEAD ISSUE. I for one didn't come on this forum to discuss why i like ts women.if i thought it was a problem..i would go somewhere where i could get help for my problem. It seems as if you are consumed with guilt.this is not a problem solving forum..this is an admirer's forum.take that SHIGGITY back to bgc live.

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Amen, TurboMan, amen!
Occultist, you have reconciled with your conscience and that’s cool, but the dudes who are on this board have done that a long time ago! You're preaching to a choir that went home to eat the chicken dinner! We've heard this hymn before. It’s an old song.
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Occultist,

Not sure why you feel you have to tell TS's - "you're a man" and tell the TS admirers around here - "you're bisexual at least". If a man chooses to dress and live as a woman that's his business - I know several TS's and I respect their decision. I don't know what qualifies you to label people you don't even know as bisexual but that's something you need to think about. Live and let live brother.

Occultist

why do care what people think about themselves. it an overweight, big belly, flat chest, no ass, short hair GG feels she’s just as beautiful as beyonce (what it is to you). are you the type of person that gets a thrill on telling people how you or society feels about their look or their sexual orientation?

This is a kind of "am I gay ?" thread which receives a lot of scorn on HungAngels.com, and I think the Admin frowns on them here. Most guys on this forum have accepted what they are and know what they like. Yeah, I guess it makes me gay in most people's eyes. So what ?

On the other hand, there is an issue to think about: guys being on the "down-low", and not being open with TGirls, being ashamed to be in public with them, etc. I'm not accusing anyone here of that, but I've heard and read the complaints from the TGirls, and it's a real problem. So, the guy who can be open and honest wins the prize. (If she is a prize, that is.) Something to think about.

Having said that, I see no advantage to posting my identity here. I've never been about trying to pick up chicks online, or making contact with people. I've got enough in real life. Here it's all about the discussion for me.

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Originally Posted by ty-clone

Occultist

why do care what people think about themselves. it an overweight, big belly, flat chest, no ass, short hair GG feels she’s just as beautiful as beyonce (what it is to you). are you the type of person that gets a trill on telling people how you or society feels about their look or their sexual orientation?

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Thanks Ty..sho ya right.

Do a search on this and deal with reading the posts there, we're not going to get into it here and you've already created a bad smell since coming in here ... so be prepared to leave, if you don't have better manners and brush your teeth.

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Originally Posted by phi0820

That's interesting.

Yeah I've seen this topic beaten up over here and over at BGC. I still don't understand people care about how other people classify themselves, especially when there can be so much to consider when determining why one person is sexually attracted to another. The issue isn't as black and white as some people try to make it out to be, and the debate can get a bit silly when ultimately any decision I make to label myself will have no impact on anyone else here.

Still, since these discussions tend to focus on transwomen, I always like to throw out the notion of a genetic man/transman (FTM) relationship and see if that changes the opinion any.

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Strength comes in numbers and homo's are the weakest group of people on the planet.

So there's no wonder why they're always trying to recruit who ever they can....

Some people say Transsexuals are the "Third Gender" so how would fucking with someone who is neither male or female be gay?

I personally see them as female (the quality ones of course) so let the homos, transophobes and all around pressed idiots scream till they're blue in the face, Indy is straght!!!!

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Originally Posted by MrF

This is a kind of "am I gay ?" thread which receives a lot of scorn on HungAngels.com, and I think the Admin frowns on them here. Most guys on this forum have accepted what they are and know what they like. Yeah, I guess it makes me gay in most people's eyes. So what ?

On the other hand, there is an issue to think about: guys being on the "down-low", and not being open with TGirls, being ashamed to be in public with them, etc. I'm not accusing anyone here of that, but I've heard and read the complaints from the TGirls, and it's a real problem. So, the guy who can be open and honest wins the prize. (If she is a prize, that is.) Something to think about.

Having said that, I see no advantage to posting my identity here. I've never been about trying to pick up chicks online, or making contact with people. I've got enough in real life. Here it's all about the discussion for me.

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I agree 100%. Our sexuality is our business and no one elses. I'm not ashamed of my sexuality, i'm proud of it. I'm here to enjoy the beautiful Tgirls and engage in pleasant conversations with like minded people.

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Originally Posted by cumshooter69

I agree 100%. Our sexuality is our business and no one elses. I'm not ashamed of my sexuality, i'm proud of it. I'm here to enjoy the beautiful Tgirls and engage in pleasant conversations with like minded people.

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WELL STATED! :rolleyes:

Someone tell the 'Occultist' to GTFO!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TurboMan

Wait a minute..hold-up..for your information this is a DEAD ISSUE. I for one didn't come on this forum to discuss why i like ts women.if i thought it was a problem..i would go somewhere where i could get help for my problem. It seems as if you are consumed with guilt.this is not a problem solving forum..this is an admirer's forum.take that SHIGGITY back to bgc live.

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i couldnt have said it better

Y'all DL HOMMOS r a trip, grow a set, put up a real pic of urself, & come out of the closet. The bottom line is all y'all luv big dicks which makes u as gay as the day is long. Convincing urself otherwise makes u no less gay than openly gays who fight 4 gay rights everyday. How the hell we gone change this don't ask don't tell nonsense when queers like y'all play into the stereotype. Just cause the dick u suck comes wit a weave, thong, & high heels u convince urself ur not hommo? WRONG!!! God bless big dicks! Now fight the power u spineless cocksuckin fags!

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Originally Posted by GayPride

Y'all DL HOMMOS r a trip, grow a set, put up a real pic of urself, & come out of the closet. The bottom line is all y'all luv big dicks which makes u as gay as the day is long. Convincing urself otherwise makes u no less gay than openly gays who fight 4 gay rights everyday. How the hell we gone change this don't ask don't tell nonsense when queers like y'all play into the stereotype. Just cause the dick u suck comes wit a weave, thong, & high heels u convince urself ur not hommo? WRONG!!! God bless big dicks! Now fight the power u spineless cocksuckin fags!

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Name calling ain't gonna win you a prize..takes one to know one..crawl back under da rock from whence you came..FOOL.

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Originally Posted by MrF

On the other hand, there is an issue to think about: guys being on the "down-low", and not being open with TGirls, being ashamed to be in public with them, etc. I'm not accusing anyone here of that, but I've heard and read the complaints from the TGirls, and it's a real problem. So, the guy who can be open and honest wins the prize. (If she is a prize, that is.) Something to think about.

Having said that, I see no advantage to posting my identity here. I've never been about trying to pick up chicks online, or making contact with people. I've got enough in real life. Here it's all about the discussion for me.

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Exactly!

You know, I'm only seen around town with TGirls. A select few. That is what I like, and only have relationships with. I'm still in one with a girl who has a current shoot up. We go out to all kinds of cool spots. I'm seen all over town and not once do I think I'm gay. That's because I like the person I'm with and whom they are. I'm not worried what others may perceive that we are about or into. I know for a fact, the guys want to know who my partner is. I know this because, when I get up to go to the John, there's always some "Mother Fucker" trying to talk to my girl or friend. We are'nt GAY. We are just men and women out and about in regular society.
Myself and my friends don't live for a sexual label. Sure they know they are a Transexual and that's because they have chosen that life style. But they don't run around saying they are GAY. And nether do I.
Bottom line thought here is, if you conduct yourself as a normal, courtious, friendly adult no matter what your sexuality is. You can pretty much go anywhere and fit in with other people.

OOOPs! I don't even know if I'm on topic at all. LMAO!

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Originally Posted by GayPride

Y'all DL HOMMOS r a trip, grow a set, put up a real pic of urself, & come out of the closet. The bottom line is all y'all luv big dicks which makes u as gay as the day is long. Convincing urself otherwise makes u no less gay than openly gays who fight 4 gay rights everyday. How the hell we gone change this don't ask don't tell nonsense when queers like y'all play into the stereotype. Just cause the dick u suck comes wit a weave, thong, & high heels u convince urself ur not hommo? WRONG!!! God bless big dicks! Now fight the power u spineless cocksuckin fags!

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Ummm Remy! relax dude :cool:

This is hilarious...... Why state the obvious? As others have said this is a dead topic. I give props to all the Ladies and gentlemen who are comfortable in their sexuality to know what a load of BS this is! Hope that Occultist is able to find peace Love and happiness within himself as it seems he struggling with his own identity. Love is love, Lust is Lust why do labels matter? Enjoy life for we only have one! Peace and love xoxoxo Honey FoXXX

[QUOTE=DYNACORD;23602]Exactly!

You know, I'm only seen around town with TGirls. A select few. That is what I like, and only have relationships with. I'm still in one with a girl who has a current shoot up. We go out to all kinds of cool spots. I'm seen all over town and not once do I think I'm gay. That's because I like the person I'm with and whom they are. I'm not worried what others may perceive that we are about or into. I know for a fact, the guys want to know who my partner is. I know this because, when I get up to go to the John, there's always some "Mother Fucker" trying to talk to my girl or friend. We are'nt GAY. We are just men and women out and about in regular society.
Myself and my friends don't live for a sexual label. Sure they know they are a Transexual and that's because they have chosen that life style. But they don't run around saying they are GAY. And nether do I.
Bottom line thought here is, if you conduct yourself as a normal, courtious, friendly adult no matter what your sexuality is. You can pretty much go anywhere and fit in with other people. No u can't go anywhere, this is my point. I'm in the Navy.....I'm not tryna flaunt my sexuality in any1's face but damn I pay taxes 2...u can bring ur friend on base 4 lunch cause he appears 2 be a woman so ur cool but I can't bring my man I been with 7 yrs...y not step up & fight the power. Anything else is down right selfish.

[QUOTE=GayPride;23614 Bottom line thought here is, if you conduct yourself as a normal, courtious, friendly adult no matter what your sexuality is. You can pretty much go anywhere and fit in with other people. No u can't go anywhere, this is my point. I'm in the Navy.....I'm not tryna flaunt my sexuality in any1's face but damn I pay taxes 2...u can bring ur friend on base 4 lunch cause he appears 2 be a woman so ur cool but I can't bring my man I been with 7 yrs...y not step up & fight the power. Anything else is down right selfish.[/QUOTE]


Well don't get mad at us, Sailor boy! You knew that going into the Navy you couldn't have a butt buddy, so don't vent on us and call us names! If you pay taxes, write your congressman , he's the one screwing (no pun intended). I feel sorry for you!
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This is one of those...ummm...threads that need to vanish...lol

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Originally Posted by nycguy

Ummm Remy! relax dude :cool:

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You RANG!!! lol nah just kidding. :p I've already spoken with GayPride (indirectly) after those first two initial post went live. I'm hoping this person will conduct themselves in a more respectful manner, otherwise...

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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

Well don't get mad at us, Sailor boy! You knew that going into the Navy you couldn't have a butt buddy, so don't vent on us and call us names! If you pay taxes, write your congressman , he's the one screwing (no pun intended). I feel sorry for you!
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many congressmen have been written trust me on this! If YOU DL GAYS would man up & write a congressman maby we could accomplish something. Just maby u would have the right 2 marry a shemale...unless of course ur just a trannychaser!
A few seem 2 be sensitive 2 the words homo & fag, these words r used amongst gays all the time there's nothing negative about them. The mainstream try 2 make these words negative but that's just ignorance like u surfer they should do their reserch on the true origin of these words.

Hope is to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives!........R u kidding me? 4 u 2 use that statement is complete & utter hypocrisy!

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Originally Posted by gaypride

hope is to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives!........r u kidding me? 4 u 2 use that statement is complete & utter hypocrisy!

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five .....

Are "Occultist" & "Gay-Pride" one and the same?!?! :p

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Originally Posted by WhereChyna

Are "Occultist" & "Gay-Pride" one and the same?!?! :p

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no, I only speake 4 myself chief

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Originally Posted by Occultist

I could never fuck with a post-op TS, because I like male parts....

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Color me happy, hell make that ecstatic.

:D

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Originally Posted by GayPride

Hope is to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives!........R u kidding me? 4 u 2 use that statement is complete & utter hypocrisy!

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Are you kidding, me? For you to write in text speak, on a public forum, is absolute and downright ignorance!
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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

Are you kidding, me? For you to write in text speak, on a public forum, is absolute and downright ignorance!
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u didn't answer the question hotshot, r u a trannychaser? Wud u take 1 home 2 mother & tell her ur dating a transexual?

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Originally Posted by GayPride

u didn't answer the question hotshot, r u a trannychaser? Wud u take 1 home 2 mother & tell her ur dating a transexual?

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It's irrelevant - you'd tell her you were dating this PERSON.

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Originally Posted by GayPride

u didn't answer the question hotshot, r u a trannychaser? Wud u take 1 home 2 mother & tell her ur dating a transexual?

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You came on this site, a social site, to be exact, not being fair, ranting and calling member’s names, people you don’t know, attacking their character because you feel you’re not getting a “fair” shake, specifically, from a system, the US Navy, which had policies in place long before you realized you were gay! I can tell by your posts you feel that SOMEBODY owes you something, that you're tired of being on the down-low, in the Navy, but you can’t say anything! You're an insecure loon who had to join the Navy to keep from getting you butt kicked everyday by the neighborhood bullies!
Go to your commanding officer and tell him/her you're gay; tell him/her you’re tired of being on the down-low and call him names and see where that gets you? Tell him/her how you feel that you’re not getting the freedom to sit on deck and tongue kiss your lover or let you go to your quarters and let your boyfriend fellate you for the whole ship to know! See what kind of justice that will be meted out to you after you’ve made your confession! The Navy will court martial your dumb ass! We know who we are, what we like and we don’t have hide because of the consequences hanging over our heads as you do! And learn how to write!
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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

You came on this site, a social site, to be exact, not being fair, ranting and calling member’s names, people you don’t know, attacking their character because you feel you’re not getting a “fair” shake, specifically, from a system, the US Navy, which had policies in place long before you realized you were gay! I can tell by your posts you feel that SOMEBODY owes you something, that you're tired of being on the down-low, in the Navy, but you can’t say anything! You're an insecure loon who had to join the Navy to keep from getting you butt kicked everyday by the neighborhood bullies!
Go to your commanding officer and tell him/her you're gay; tell him/her you’re tired of being on the down-low and call him names and see where that gets you? Tell him/her how you feel that you’re not getting the freedom to sit on deck and tongue kiss your lover or let you go to your quarters and let your boyfriend fellate you for the whole ship to know! See what kind of justice that will be meted out to you after you’ve made your confession! The Navy will court martial your dumb ass! We know who we are, what we like and we don’t have hide because of the consequences hanging over our heads as you do! And learn how to write!
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hope ur lil rant made u feel better!Lmbo..........the question remains r u a tranny chaser?

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Originally Posted by seanchai

It's irrelevant - you'd tell her you were dating this PERSON.

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of course its irrelevant 2 u, u make a living off exploiting clowns like him

A good friend of mine did a shoot 4 this site a while back, he lives as a MAN! His alter ego only comes out 4 special occations, I don't blame him 4 exploiting u DL homos & making y'all whack off 2his dick & balls...after all this site & its members exploit trannys, many of whom r young & dumb, confused & trying 2 discover who they r.

Wait a minute! This guy "Gay Pride" sure seems like the last dude that was asked to leave. Then he came back as a different poster. There can't be this many characters out there that want to cause a commotion on a forum. Or is there?

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Originally Posted by GayPride

A good friend of mine did a shoot 4 this site a while back, he lives as a MAN! His alter ego only comes out 4 special occations, I don't blame him 4 exploiting u DL homos & making y'all whack off 2his dick & balls...after all this site & its members exploit trannys, many of whom r young & dumb, confused & trying 2 discover who they r.

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Before you get banned, I'm curious to know what is your motivation to post here ? Are you trying to instruct us ? Are you trying to improve us "DL homos" ? What is the point ?

And feel free to slam me. Give me your best shot. Because I don't give a shit.