to be featured on shemaleyum? is it simply liteskin and long hair or euro features? just some stuff i noticed while i had some down time today. seems that way.
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to be featured on shemaleyum? is it simply liteskin and long hair or euro features? just some stuff i noticed while i had some down time today. seems that way.
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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
It does leave one to wonder, because I assume hair is at the top of the list! It seems as though all of the black t-girls have a least one wig in their wardrobe that consists of the bangs and straight hair cascading over their shoulders; doesn't matter what color, either, but black will get you the pink teddy bear. Or, if they happen to opt for extensions, they must be long and not the cheap kind (real Indian hair); they must be the extensions where it takes at least two Senegalese chicks fours hours to do (I've questioned it and seen it)!
I can’t really speak on the light skinned thing because all of the girls come in a variety of shades, but I believe if they had the wherewithal, they would go head long into the Michael Jackson thing; bleaching the brown out and knocking out the large, air intake ducts! You can take your pick as to whether it’s vanity or just plain self-hate.
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As far as skin-tones I'd say it's not just light skinned as one of my favorite girls Coco was on Shemale Yum two times. And she was quite dark. So at the very least you don't have to be yellow or lighter.
cool. again i don't know if it's true or not. just asking a question that one of my good friends asked me. i know some girls feel like being asked to model for btg is like being asked to play in the d-league of the nba. you know, they think we're good but not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
Yeah I see what you mean. But in reality getting asked to model for any Grooby site is top notch. This ain't some bush league operation.
Shemale Yum is generally non-black TS models. Black-Tgirls is on equal standing to Shemale Yum. Same pay, same exposure and although not as large a membership it's still very large AND dedicated to one ethnicity unlike Shemale Yum.
Criteria, when we started and we had less choice of models we'd sometimes use some black models on Shemale Yum. Some will sometimes slip through if I didn't realize they were black - or they're mixed but I prefer to keep it seperate most of the time with black models (or yum models) graduating to Shemale Pornstar or our DVD sites. The top models from both of those sites often appear on Franks-Tgirlworld.com also.
To put it in that alleged reasoning, which is a very valid point, I guess one could say that BTG is developmental [league] for t-girls, but what could you say is the big kahuanna for black t-girls other than this site? I've been on this site and board for quite awhile and I've seen babes go from salt to sugar, so to speak and I haven't seen any other site that exclusively promotes "black" t-girls such as this one! For example; India, she did a hardcore in '09; look at her developement when she first came to the site in '08 until now. I can safely assume that the site had a lot to do with her growth and exposure. I could name a number of black t-girls who have blossomed by just being on this site. Look at Sheeba's past sets up until now; she's developed quantum leaps since she first graced this site in '03.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
All the girls I know are familiar with this site, want to be on this site and undoubtedly, want to use it as a stepping stone for other endeavors, mainly for escorting notoriety, which many have done.
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you just gave me my exhale momentQuote:
Originally Posted by mrknockout
The whole of Grooby could be called "developmental" - we're the only company that takes so many risks on new models and goes out with such an effort to find new talent, which is why so many models knows of us but they don't graduate to anywhere ... they continue to work on our sites but often as more polished models.Quote:
Originally Posted by TVSURFER
Actually, I don't know if we showed a black model on Shemale Yum in 2010 and can't remember the last one.
I actually filmed Denise Vixen who is mixed with black and she was fairly adamant about appearing on Shemale Yum. So I requested she be put on Yum instead of Black Tgirls and you know what? I feel she would have done a lot better over here on Black Tgirls, as guys didn't really start voting and commenting until her cum scene video went up and then they went crazy. :cool:
I don't find this shocking at all. Unfortunately there are cookie cutter standards of beauty in America which we all have been brain washed with since birth. Funny thing is unless its created surgically the majority of the world does not look like that. I often here such and such is cute for a black girl or cute for a big girl or cute for her age. Until people especially women and transwomen are seen as people and not part of the collective these kinds of attitudes will continue to persist. Womens beauty and worth in general are always described in comparison to another woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy757Photog
Most people say she is cute and leave it at that.
It's always she is better than x, y and z
or
She fine as yadda yadda
I think we've had this conversation before when I started to put you in contact with some of the girls I knew. The notion was that the 'redbones' got put on yum and everybody else ended up on btg. I guess that the powers that be probably didn't know that is a touchy subject within the black american community. To some it reinforces the stereotype that lighter is better. Some girls felt that they were 'better' than btg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy757Photog
Seanchai I am not sure how to put it. I think for some its like being asked to model for blacktails magazine vs. Being asked to model for playboy. Granted, all things being equal as you stated, I guess the perception is still there that yum is like FOX and btg is like TVONE.
Doesn't mean that the folks over at grooby are wrong for doing what they do. Maybe its just an indicator of how mentally fucked up some of us (black folks) are that even though we may get the same pay and similar exposure on btg (as seanchai pointed out) as yum or franks does that the girls still have this perception that its 'less than' due to color alone.
Actually, as has been stated, Yum has featured a variety of BTG's all colors since it's inception. I, personally thought that it was based on if a girl would do well over there. Like Emma (totally cool girl!) for instance, who isn't light skin but has the punky clothing style and 'chan' lingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
I brought up Denise Vixen to illustrate that just being light skin doesn't mean they will do well on Yum.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
For SOME it MIGHT seem like that but that is there on perception and in-security issues - not ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Did you read what I said? We don't put "red-bones" on Shemale Yum, we put them here ... look at the girls over 2010 that were featured on this site?
I think sometimes people want them to be black to be featured here, when those girls either aren't black - or don't identify with being black (mixed race).
would u put a non black tg on btg if she identified herself as black or as 'urban/hip hop'?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Since u brought up the issue of self identification
I know when it comes to business, a lot of blacks will choose to self identify as other or mixed because its deemed advantagous. Shits been going on since the days of slavery.
Oh fuck off and quit being a cunt. You orchastrated this whole post and ignored anything I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Black Tgirls is for Black transsexuals. Shemale Yum is for non-Black Transsexuals of all races. There is no classification that goes on, there have been some black TS's on SMY, but rarely and none that I'm aware of in the last year other than the one Remy mentioned, which I couldn't even remember.
I don't care about what people think about themselves or other people. I have the final say who gpes where and it's not based on skin tone.
Take the time to read what I've posted before deeming to continue to be a cunt, sir.
I don't think it's unfair or "cunt"-like to ask about the amount of Asian t-girls in the Yum model pool these days. I ask because looking over the Grooby site list, they seem to be the most similarly-situated group to which I could draw a comparison and I'm just curious to see how that's handled.
Even though I can completely understand why a business-minded person would steer black models (especially new ones) toward BTG instead of Yum, I've gotta say that it's a bit glaring to see Yum described as being for "Non-black transsexuals" since -- as stated -- it seems like being black is the main criteria for exclusion.
Bring me the one called Emma...
( I'm off this topic. <__< )
im sure senchai has a grasp on what his customers want to see.
a quota doesn't mean much when it comes down to the bottom line.
plus if you want to see black tgirls, you have an option to.
if you want asian or anything else, you can see that too.
there's an outlet for every type you want to see.
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Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
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Originally Posted by seanchai
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Originally Posted by seanchai
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Originally Posted by seanchai
Wow. That was a totally classless and uncalled for childish response to a discussion topic. Id expect more from a guy like you...dissappointing to say the least. Perhaps you've not read this post in its entirety or any of my responses, none of which were negative or acussatory.
I personally refrain from saying things to or about people that I wouldn't say in person, man 2 man, in their face. Calling me a cunt is out of bounds dude. I don't care who's website this is. If you feel that bravo or brave, I welcome you to contact me via inbox and we can exchange contact information to meet face to face like real men. I'm not one of these dudes who hides behind an email or avatar. A few people on here know me in real life, I assure you, I am not that guy you want to play with like that. Period.
Your reply to mines and to the tone of this post is completely off base. Maybe you are dealing with some personal issues and chose to take a shit in this post, I don't know. Whatever the case may be, don't call me out of my name again in your life, sir. I guess rules apply to everyone BUT you...as you stated you have the final say...interesting.
Ttyl
Xoxo
Phi the problem is that I am attempting to have an objective and open DISCUSSION based on the criteria that has been stated in this post by the powers that be.Quote:
Originally Posted by phi0820
Only problem is that I don't think any of them are capable of viewing the situation from outside of the circle.
I mentioned earlier that I can see the grooby perspective from a business standpoint and I also mentioned that maybe the issue is an internal (psychological) issue with some of the girls BUT this cat comes back and calls me a cunt...adding nothing substantive to the post AT ALL.
Perhaps he forgot that he said with his own words, not mine, that yum is for non black transsexuals. The post is titled what is the criteria for black tgirls to be featured on yum. His employees come back with 'weve had a few black girls on there' and he cosigns, which is being defensive off the jump. I didn't ask if they had black tgirls on there, I asked what's the criteria.
Reading is fundamental
I thought this was a discussion board about black tgirls and transgendered issues. I apologize to all for trying to have a civil, honest, and adult conversation.
Let's make post # 9,870,987 about who has the biggest black tgirl dick
Again phi, thanks for taking the time to actually read the post and reply with common sense.
I answered your post with decorum and class and you ignored it and continued to twist it to your own agenda (which this whole discussion seems aimed at) and now you feel like you need to threaten me with having to meet me in person?
It's tiring and futile to have to deal with people like you - and adds nothing to the site. By all means, ask the question you did - but don't ignore it when the answer wasn't supporting what you want.
1. I'll gladly refund your membership to Black-Tgirls, PM me your subscription number and you can go and take your issues elsewhere.
2. I'm easy to find. I'll be at the Tranny Awards, I'm at numerous shows throughout the country. Would I call you a cunt to the face, probably not as I'm fairly amiable in person but if you continued to ignore MY answers to questions that only I can answer, then yes, I would.
Your a fine one to talk about class.
You are asking a fair question and I'd expect that when I answer it, you'll accept my answer and not ignore it to continue on a fixed agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by phi0820
What is your question about Asian-Tgirls? Shemale Yum/Black-Tgirls have always been sister-sites with neither being better or worse than the other. They both get new models and existing stars and update with a mixture of both. Black-Tgirls has recently went to hardcores every week (SMY is still on every two weeks) as it's something the members wanted, increasing the budget substantially).
When models come in, the black models go on Black Tgirls and the non-blacks on Shemale Yum. If we started a site with all Asian American/European or Native American Tgirls, then those models would go that direction. The only ulterior motive, is that we've found that by seperating the sites instead of making them one site, we can provide more models and keep more people happier which makes for a more profitable business model.
No, your trying to make a statement and not a discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Circle?? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
I didn't need to add anything more substantive than what I'd stated and you'd ignored. The girls might have an issue if SMY was seen as a better site (it's not) but it's you that obviously as an internal (psychological) issue with having to keep at it, even though I'd stated this wasn't the case, therefore, calling me a liar. I'm not a "cat" but you are being a cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
... and your question was answered, you just chose to ignore it and continue on a diatribe of what YOU thought the criteria was.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Understanding what you read, is more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
No, it's a dicussion board for Black-Tgirls the website, if other black transgender issues come into this, then that's all the better. Grooby have the only sites I know of that allow public discourse but if you don't like the answers then don't ask the questions and certainly, don't dispute/ignore a direct answer to a direct question to me to carry on your own bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
There shouldn't be any need name calling here by anyone, it's rude and distracting to the discussion. Anyway, what I provided is an example of a BTG model that would be good for Yum. Seanchai did answer your question here as well on the 1st page of this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Black Tgirls is a site dedicated to black transexual models, so why do you feel they should be on Yum? You wouldn't see an American black model on Shemale Japan, Ladyboy-Ladyboy, or Brazilian Transexuals either. If the black model appeared on Yum, the BTG members would miss out, which is why I regretted requesting Denise Vixen go on the Yum site.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
remy you are stating the obvious. I never said I FEEL like they should be on YUM. i asked what is the criteria for black tgirls to be featured on YUM. that was it. you and seanchai added all this other stuff in there, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remy757Photog
I've probably been around grooby sites for way longer than you were on board good friend, probably going on 12 years now. i think my pedigree speaks for itself. I know what i've seen over the years and i know what i've heard asked.
this post didn't need to end up like this...AT ALL
Your EMPLOYER very rudely sent it there
i guess the term class is only reserved for you blue bloods? the nerve of a lowly american negro to try and have a civil conversation about what has obviously been now pointed out as a hypocritical and unclear policy in "your house".Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Neither and neither - how predictable to bring up my "blood" which is far from blue. Just a sad individual who is trying to prove a point. What's your subscription number, I want to refund you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
Cant we all just get along! :D
This has really taken a turn for the worst. Everyone please calm down and perhaps we can bring this discussion back to a civil course... or maybe just drop it completely. There's no need to be so hostile after all. So please, before someone gets slapped with a glove, let's just move on.
Also... uhhh... Seriously... give me Emma. I want!
Lmbo.....The brother didn't ask for refund, stop the ego trip and update the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Dude, seriously? You're egging this on?
2 posts and this is what you made (and yes I saw your deleted one from a few weeks ago also).Quote:
Originally Posted by starski
You're outta here. It's nothing to do with ego, I don't need to compete. He didn't ask for a refund because I doubt he even has a membership.
Just shows how easily that subjects of a racial nature can still spark heated debate, even in the 21st century. I understand KO's point and somewhat agree. I also understand Seanchai's/Remy's point and can definitely understand how they are explaining the criteria. I've seen black transsexuals on SMY, but most were of the lighter complexion. However, there are a few darker complexioned girls on SMY like India (with the tremendous cum shots). She definitely can't be mistaken for a European girl. As Seanchai said, "a few slip through the cracks" that you can't necessarily tell are black unless they told you. I've seen some mixed (light-skinned) girls on BTG as well that you would think are SMY material based on skin tone. I don't think Grooby was being racially discriminating when developing the different sites. I think it would have been a huge slap in the face if SMY had been named European T Girls or something like that. At that point, I think KO would have more of a justification to his argument. It's almost like gentrification of a neighborhood. We all know why they clean up an area, build expensive condos and highrises, raise the property value and re-populate the area with a different type of people but one not dare say the true reason because if one said "it was only to clear out the blacks because the whites want this area back", then one would be considered racist, playing the race card, or pushing a racist agenda. It's not very easy to talk about sensitive issues like race in this society because no one wants to be considered a racist. Even though most of us have our stereotypical views, no one dare admits it.
I don't know if I clearly made my point but, I tried to make it without stepping on toes. You know, treading lightly?
...but post Black Transsexuals that appeared on SMY in 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by vidman
By the way, while we're on this subject, why don't you take a look at our "so-called Premium" site http://www.shemale-pornstar.com and look at the skin tone of the black models that we dared mix with the white models!
I haven't recently had a SMY account so I 'm not familiar with what's been going on over there. But in the past I kept a subscription active and I do remember seeing some black girls over there. Which supports what you said Seanchai.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
I wasn't aware that the site had been around for so long. But I think Vidman has a point. This topic is really touchy. However One could argue about why the caucasian t-girls have to share their site with all other races while the Asians, Blacks and Brazilians all have their own site. Does it sound ridiculous?
It should.
The thing is, the sites have been set up to appeal to certain demographics. Are we going to pitch a fit because Justin Bieber isn't targeting black males as his audience? I hope not.
But, I suppose to answer the original question, there is no real criteria for a black t-girl's appearance on Shemale Yum. On one hand you have light skinned girls like Denise something who was mentioned earlier and on the other you have dark girls like Lisa Cage. So... I guess the criteria is how well shemale yum viewers will react... as Remy said earlier I believe. I'm really just reiterating points here without all the... anger.
Didn't know that was a "premium site" lol. But I just checked it out and I see a few black girls on there of all shades. Just on the front page I saw Mia Isabella, who is of the lighter complexion. I saw Natassia Dreams who is clearly of the darker persuasion. I also see Katie Coxx who is somewhat in between. Again, I'm not disagreeing with you and Remy, Seanchai. I can just see where KO was going. He tried to innocently pose it as a simple question, but he was trying to go there. I understand why he was going there and I agree with your retort. I think we get caught up on words sometimes. The title "Black-Tgirls." Anytime you put a color in anything, especially when you associate it to people, you're gonna get some pushback/defiance by someone. Maybe if it was called Shemale Sistas or something? LOL!!!!! But my point is, emphatically, that even in this day and age, race is a very very charged subject matter. As long as we've been dealing with race on this planet, it still remains the most touchy subject of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai