streaming only websites?.... wtf???

Can anybody - especially the grooby guys - shed any light on why a porn site would not allow a subscriber to download their product?...

There's a new SMC site called tgirlpinups which is ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra femme and glam (pretty much my heaven lol), BUT the silly fuks dont allow downloads... They want guys to PAY to subscribe but then you can only stream the vids????

For fuks sake????

Am I missing something here???.. Why would they do this??? Is this kinda shit the future???

Much as I L-O-V-E the look of the site, I sincerely hope it doesn't take off, cos it stinks that a guy cant own his porn!

SHAUN

It's an attempt to deter the piracy of their content.

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It's an attempt to deter the piracy of their content.

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It failed. Pin Up content is appearing on tubes and illegal download sites. The site has the worst traffic compared to all of the other SMC sites.

As much as I like the concept of the site, and everything I've seen thus far is top notch, I wonder how long it can keep up with that specific of a niche. I actually wrote a script some time ago, that would be perfect for that setup though.

I really despise that kind of business model, it's like fucking iTunes, with renting the content instead of actually owning it like you would if you purchased DVD but you are generally still paying the same price. At least make it half the price if you intend to only allow streaming. The content is still going to be recorded anyway, there are tons of screen capture types of software specifically to get around streaming only options. The quality may drop some but more than good enough to enjoy show at your own leisure so why do it at all. Well, because they are counting on viewers to not be tech savvy and care about owning what they pay for. I do agree, there does need to be help with the piracy issues.

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Stream only causes problems. Not everyone can afford high speed internet. This is awful for those people. Secondly most porn viewers want to download content. Brazzers and Naughty America are at the top of straight porn for many reasons including downloading content.

Is it worth $35 bucks to watch a movie and then have to pay another $35 to view the same movie again? It's paying for the same movie over and over again.

I think the stream only would work IF it had a loyalty program for loyal members to be allowed to download content.

Thanks for your input all......

Guys join porn sites to obtain and COLLECT wanking material (This is a peculiarly MALE/nerd behaviour, desiring to collect things, and it's as true with porn as it is with postage stamps or beer-mats!)..... The beauty of owning porn is that it allows a guy to enjoy a spontaneous wank at any time… This is the case regardless of the media the porn is stored on.... whether a guy has spent his $$$s on magazines, cine film, Betamax tapes, vhs tapes, dvds or downloads…

The media is practically irrelevant; what counts is that a guy, having PURCHASED/SUBSCRIBED to some porn, has the ability to enjoy it whenever he chooses… And in the case of tgirlpinups, SMC has taken an enormously cynical and negative step by ensuring this is not possible…. To enjoy a wank to this site I would have to be a “current subscriber” AT ALL TIMES… FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE (assuming we didn't use the piracy option)

I can easily appreciate the top TOP quality of the site in question, but if they - or any other porn suppliers - seriously think even a serious addict like myself is gonna fall for this uber capitalistic self-slavery they are fukkin deluding themselves LOL!.... Not allowing the avid fans of porn to download your product is a poor and stupid choice….

SHAUN

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As much as I like the concept of the site, and everything I've seen thus far is top notch, I wonder how long it can keep up with that specific of a niche. I actually wrote a script some time ago, that would be perfect for that setup though.

I really despise that kind of business model, it's like fucking iTunes, with renting the content instead of actually owning it like you would if you purchased DVD but you are generally still paying the same price. At least make it half the price if you intend to only allow streaming. The content is still going to be recorded anyway, there are tons of screen capture types of software specifically to get around streaming only options. The quality may drop some but more than good enough to enjoy show at your own leisure so why do it at all. Well, because they are counting on viewers to not be tech savvy and care about owning what they pay for. I do agree, there does need to be help with the piracy issues.

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On a related note........

Ms Remy, I would luv to see you run a site that provided similar content, where the models get to really camp it up and perform a scene, hardcore or solo...

I think you're probably right that tgirlpinups is too specific a niche, but you wont catch me complaining about their commitment to glamour, lol (it's just the poxy streaming-only policy that forbids me from subscribing)

If you do start your own site I would luv to see you breathe life into the following fantasies:

BRIDE-TO-BE (trying out her wedding night lingerie)
HOOKER (getting ready in her man-catching outfit)
NYMPHO (rolling around on bed fantasising about getting gang-banged)
HOUSEWIFE (missing her work-away husband and planning seduction of him)
COLLEGE GIRL (in uniform pretending to be all shy, but really she's a slut)
DOMINATRIX (ordering her guy on the ground so she can sit on his face)
TEASE CHICK (where the model teases the living hell out of the guy)
LAP DANCER (where the model sways n moves her ass to the camera)

I know they're not exactly original, but with TS models I would be transfixed lol

SHAUN x

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Thanks for your input all......

Guys join porn sites to obtain and COLLECT wanking material (This is a peculiarly MALE/nerd behaviour, desiring to collect things, and it's as true with porn as it is with postage stamps or beer-mats!).....

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People in general collect things. Most people have hobbies. Collecting stuff does not make someone a nerd. There are plenty of people who watch and collect porn who are NOT nerds.

You'd be hard pressed to think of a guy whose wall is full of animal heads as a nerd... just throwin' that out there.

You're probably right... And thankyou for your valuable input, which didn't sound at all defensive, not one liddle bit; I, on the other hand, am a proud wanker AND a nerd...


...a wankerd?

SHAUN

I have my own personal feelings about streaming porn and I'm not saying we will never go to that model but there has to be some big changes made before that. I believe they are doing it to try and combat piracy but it's failed in that, as Franklin stated, it can be found more than any other sites, as it can easily be downloaded if you have the right software. In my opinion, it will drive people away from the website who are genuine customers.

I think the quality of work on that site is fantastic and some of the best tranny photographs I have ever seen but for my own tastes it suffers from being too artistic and not horny enough. I know I've never ever fantasized about the glamour era that they portray. I'm sure the models love it, being photographed that way but I doubt it could convert into a workable business model.

As it is, it looks like they're all ready offering it as a discount site as part of their SMC network thing that launched this week. I hope they keep producing new content but I can't see it being sustainable which is a shame.

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I have my own personal feelings about streaming porn and I'm not saying we will never go to that model but there has to be some big changes made before that. I believe they are doing it to try and combat piracy but it's failed in that, as Franklin stated, it can be found more than any other sites, as it can easily be downloaded if you have the right software. In my opinion, it will drive people away from the website who are genuine customers.

I think the quality of work on that site is fantastic and some of the best tranny photographs I have ever seen but for my own tastes it suffers from being too artistic and not horny enough. I know I've never ever fantasized about the glamour era that they portray. I'm sure the models love it, being photographed that way but I doubt it could convert into a workable business model.

As it is, it looks like they're all ready offering it as a discount site as part of their SMC network thing that launched this week. I hope they keep producing new content but I can't see it being sustainable which is a shame.

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The site hasn't had a hardcore update in a over a month. That's not a good sign.

I'm a Grooby and SMC supporter. I am disappointed that this site is still stream only after their attempt to avoid piracy failed and the site's traffic isn't so good. You're right it drives loyal members away.

I'm also a big grooby and SMC fan... Both these networks go a long way in satisfying my desires for the rare and beautiful flowers that TS Women are...

Even though SMC video updates are sporadic, when they do come, they are usually right up my street in terms of their attention to ultra femme-fatale glamour!

As for tgirlpinups, I agree that it probably is too niche, but it could easily fore-go its misguided loyalty to 1950s glam and simply expand its representation of uber-glam to include regular scenes of models in extreme/dramatic femme-fatale mode, regardless of this or that decade.... If Tiffany Starr is modelling flesh colored stockings with garter belt and high heels, with gorgeous looking skin and hair and blood-red lipstick etc, then I really don't care if the scene is set yesterday or yester-year!

BUT, as long as they retain a stream-only policy (and even talk of expanding it to other SMC sites!) they will not get my support/subscription...

I would no sooner "rent-a-wank" from a website than I would from a magazine or DVD company.... If I buy/subscribe to a magazine or DVD, then I keep it under my bed and use it for a wank when I choose

There may be a DVD release, which I would buy (just as I buy grooby DVDs) ..... But I suspect most guys will be like me and not EVER renew their membership once they are appalled to discover that they cannot download the very wanking material that they themselves have financially supported!

We must not support porn companies whose express intent is to make schmucks out of us like this!
SHAUN

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On a related note........

Ms Remy, I would luv to see you run a site that provided similar content, where the models get to really camp it up and perform a scene, hardcore or solo...

I think you're probably right that tgirlpinups is too specific a niche, but you wont catch me complaining about their commitment to glamour, lol (it's just the poxy streaming-only policy that forbids me from subscribing)

If you do start your own site I would luv to see you breathe life into the following fantasies:

BRIDE-TO-BE (trying out her wedding night lingerie)
HOOKER (getting ready in her man-catching outfit)
NYMPHO (rolling around on bed fantasising about getting gang-banged)
HOUSEWIFE (missing her work-away husband and planning seduction of him)
COLLEGE GIRL (in uniform pretending to be all shy, but really she's a slut)
DOMINATRIX (ordering her guy on the ground so she can sit on his face)
TEASE CHICK (where the model teases the living hell out of the guy)
LAP DANCER (where the model sways n moves her ass to the camera)

I know they're not exactly original, but with TS models I would be transfixed lol

SHAUN x

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I like your ideas, but I have reservations on how successful my own site would be. Takes a lot of capital to do a site right, though I've tried finding people to invest before. Had a restaurant owner/friend totally on board, but his wife put the kibosh on that. I seriously need studio space, I turn down a lot of projects, cause I don't like the hotel suite setting for certain stuff and I refuse to do a project that would suffer from me not being able to be creative in the fashion I would like. Rather just stick to the regular BTG/YUM projects I know hotels are acceptable for.

I actually wanted to explore horror porn (sensual stuff like a girl in a tub naked full of blood, chick walking rooftop naked ready to jump) I'm a bit morbid lol and animal play (girls acting as cats, wolfs, I've seen awesome dildos that have tails attached for that aspect, on all fours lapping up milk, being walked on lease etc)

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The site hasn't had a hardcore update in a over a month. That's not a good sign.

I'm a Grooby and SMC supporter. I am disappointed that this site is still stream only after their attempt to avoid piracy failed and the site's traffic isn't so good. You're right it drives loyal members away.

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No offense, but how do you know traffic isn't good? Are you simply a viewer of porn, or are you industry insider? :confused:

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My man, there are many tools that you can download to capture imbedded videos on porn websites which you have described.

I personally use Mozilla Firefox and they have a utility called download helper which is excellent and easy to use.

All you have to do is start playing the video, go to download helper tool, and you'll see the link to the file and then you download the file to your computer. I use it a lot for sites like [edited] and I download the .FLV files and play them on my computer.

I also recently had a membership to [edited] and all of her videos are embedded and you can't download anything because there are no links. If you get download helper, you can download all of the video on the site.

I hope this helps.

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My man, there are many tools that you can download to capture imbedded videos on porn websites which you have described.

I personally use Mozilla Firefox and they have a utility called download helper which is excellent and easy to use.

All you have to do is start playing the video, go to download helper tool, and you'll see the link to the file and then you download the file to your computer. I use it a lot for sites like [edited ] and I download the .FLV files and play them on my computer.

I also recently had a membership to [edited] and all of her videos are embedded and you can't download anything because there are no links. If you get download helper, you can download all of the video on the site.

I hope this helps.

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I tried to use that download helper thing...shit made me wanna go drink lol...

Maybe I just need to practice more lol

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No offense, but how do you know traffic isn't good? Are you simply a viewer of porn, or are you industry insider? :confused:

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You can see a site's traffic using traffic sites. I use Alexia to see a site's traffic.

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You can see a site's traffic using traffic sites. I use Alexia to see a site's traffic.

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Very good then! A lot of people don't know about sites like that, wonders if you are into affiliate sales...

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Very good then! A lot of people don't know about sites like that, wonders if you are into affiliate sales...

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Alexa is fairly worthless for most serious analysis. Traffic is only part of the equation, sign up ratio is for more important.
Some of our smaller sites rank higher than our larger ones on Alexa.

I think a lot of people like me will sign up to tgirlpinups because it looks almost perfect...

But once they are disgusted to discover they cannot download vids...... how many will ever renew or return?

SHAUN

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I think a lot of people like me will sign up to tgirlpinups because it looks almost perfect...

But once they are disgusted to discover they cannot download vids...... how many will ever renew or return?

SHAUN

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I doubt everyone is as bothered as you think about the streaming only, you want to download it but it doesn't mean everyone does.
You don't automatically get ownership of every pay channel on cable that you buy?

there's a ton of programs that let you download from streaming sites the war against piracy is a lost cause people will always find a way around these types of things.....

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I doubt everyone is as bothered as you think about the streaming only, you want to download it but it doesn't mean everyone does.

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I wonder, can the pictures be downloaded at least? Your statement rings true, as I don't care so much about downloading videos when porn is concerned as I like looking at the pictures better.

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This is the exact explanation I use to justify downloading shows from newsgroups. I do pay for cable tv though I actually cut the cord and don't have any TV's directly connected to cable. I download via PC and stream to my media center to watch on TV.

Once upon a time, I could record all the TV shows I wanted via VCR and it wasn't considered piracy. I could listen to the radio and record songs played via cassette tape. Nothing has changed but the technology used to capture the media, and now all of sudden I'm a pirate. No, it's fair use, so long as I'm not rebroadcasting to the masses or distributing/reselling it around. These are practically an American tradition, who didn't record their favorite shows back in the day on VHS?


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I doubt everyone is as bothered as you think about the streaming only, you want to download it but it doesn't mean everyone does.
You don't automatically get ownership of every pay channel on cable that you buy?

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That's a interesting point... But when people subcribe to a pay channel - whether its content is porn/sports/drama etc - they do not expect to "own" or "store" its output.... I might subscribe to a sports channel for a few months, enjoy the output, then unsubscribe, job done... Storage is not a consideration at any point in the transaction.

However, when a business arranges to take a specific product to the market - a dvd, a magazine, a porn scene - people trade with them so as to obtain that specific product.

I can agree that product stored in the ether of webspace is a grey area here.... but ultimately it just feels all wrong to me.

Put it this way....... If/when SMC produce their own pay channel on my Hi-Def 42 inch TELEVISION, then I would probably take a dip in the water every now and then...

Until that time comes, they are not a pay channel, they are a website... And the reason I subscribe to a website is to view its content and download it if I choose.... If I dont have that choice, then they dont have my $s.

On the positive side, if porn websites act as a cartel and take this cynical step, it will be just the reality-kick I probably need to re-evaluate my spending habits lol

SHAUN

Being part of the network is not some "sign" that a site is doing poor because I have two in them and my solo site for instance is very stable..........So not sure why being part of the network with the same cut of say an affiliate sale is a sign of something wrong .

Also Franklin you know NOTHING about trafffic if you think Alexia is some instrument too whats going on, as Seanchai said. Also its a new site so of course its going to have less traffic ITS NEW.

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Being part of the network is not some "sign" that a site is doing poor because I have two in them and my solo site for instance is very stable..........So not sure why being part of the network with the same cut of say an affiliate sale is a sign of something wrong .

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In itself it's not Wendy but and this is only MY observation based on my experience in business but when a very new site such as this, which obviously costs a lot to produce, can be accessed at discounts, then it's not meeting the budget expectations otherwise, why do it?
For established sites such as yours, I see the benefits or introducing a new traffic source and taking the affiliate cut back into the network.

Either way, I don't think it's only related to streaming content - but I do think the streaming content only, in it's current format, is problematic.

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Also Franklin you know NOTHING about trafffic if you think Alexia is some instrument too whats going on, as Seanchai said. Also its a new site so of course its going to have less traffic ITS NEW.

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You're right that it is new. I should give it some time. Maybe a year?

There are way too many people on board complaining about this. SMC should at least let loyal members download content. The content is still appearing all over illegal sites. There is no just reason at this point to keep it stream only. It is impossible to stop pirates.

I've been trying to watch scenes on this site and everything is loading way too slow. If I wasn't a member of the SMC Network then I would be viewing other things. It simply isn't worth it.

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You're right that it is new. I should give it some time. Maybe a year?

There are way too many people on board complaining about this. SMC should at least let loyal members download content. The content is still appearing all over illegal sites. There is no just reason at this point to keep it stream only. It is impossible to stop pirates.

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Yea its almost Impossible to stop the pirates!! If A pirate really wants to pirate streaming content then they will! A smart enough hacker or code breaker will jus make or find another new program that will get the job done to download the content! So doing all that to prevent piracy is just pointless in my opinion....