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On this forum many of people have talked about who they would like to fuck and who they would like to be fucked by and so forth and so on. My question to all of the men in this forum: If you had an opportunity to have a serious long term relationship with a BTG would you? If your answer is no why wouldn't you?

I've attempted, and would do so again if I found someone worth the effort.

When you say BTG, are you speaking of girls on the BTG website per-se, hence girls in the sex industry? Or are you speaking about Black Transsexuals in general? Heck yeah, I would date a transsexual for the long haul. Trans-women are beautiful!!! As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP! Don't get me wrong, I still have love and respect for the girls just for battling the daily challenges and struggles they deal with in society merely being who they are. However, I would rather date a girl who has not had to partake in the sex industry. There are far and few in between, but there are some girls out there who haven't touched the sex biz. Far less hang-ups makes for a smoother relationship.

There are expectations on both sides when entering into a relationship. My expectation is....don't treat me like one of the hungry ass Joes that lust after the girls. I'm pretty sure her expectation is........If you don't want me to treat you like a thirsty chaser then don't act like a thirsty chaser when you have a woman right here. I understand that totally. When I enter into a relationship, it's understood that all of my BGC and BTG etc etc will cease and desist, so that is no longer an issue. Being that my issue is now resolved, STOP TREATING ME LIKE A THIRSTY CHASER IF I HAVE STOPPED ALL THE THIRSTY ANTICS!

i would totally date myself! lol....but yea i tried the whole semi dating one of the girls thing.didnt turn out well,turns out i like men to much.its a shame too.im pretty sure my love life would be soooo much easier if i liked girls.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

i would totally date myself! lol....but yea i tried the whole semi dating one of the girls thing.didnt turn out well,turns out i like men to much.its a shame too.im pretty sure my love life would be soooo much easier if i liked girls.

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Not likely. Men and women are both a pain in the ass. Just on different cheeks.

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Originally Posted by vidman

When you say BTG, are you speaking of girls on the BTG website per-se, hence girls in the sex industry? Or are you speaking about Black Transsexuals in general? Heck yeah, I would date a transsexual for the long haul. Trans-women are beautiful!!! As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocrisy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP! Don't get me wrong, I still have love and respect for the girls just for battling the daily challenges and struggles they deal with in society merely being who they are. However, I would rather date a girl who has not had to partake in the sex industry. There are far and few in between, but there are some girls out there who haven't touched the sex biz. Far less hang-ups makes for a smoother relationship.

There are expectations on both sides when entering into a relationship. My expectation is....don't treat me like one of the hungry ass Joes that lust after the girls. I'm pretty sure her expectation is........If you don't want me to treat you like a thirsty chaser then don't act like a thirsty chaser when you have a woman right here. I understand that totally. When I enter into a relationship, it's understood that all of my BGC and BTG etc etc will cease and desist, so that is no longer an issue. Being that my issue is now resolved, STOP TREATING ME LIKE A THIRSTY CHASER IF I HAVE STOPPED ALL THE THIRSTY ANTICS!

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Actually, there are far more girls that have never entered into the sex industry (but may, says the ever recruiting photog lol) than there are girls that have. It's just that much easier for people to find girls "in" the sex industry and thus the perceived ratio is slanted. ;)

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

Actually, there are far more girls that have never entered into the sex industry (but may, says the ever recruiting photog lol) than there are girls that have. It's just that much easier for people to find girls "in" the sex industry and thus the perceived ratio is slanted. ;)

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I see your point. I guess the girls in the industry are more visible, giving the perception that there are more than not. I guess if they were never in the industry, we would never know about it now would we. lol. Hiya Remy! Long time no talk. How are you?:p

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Not likely. Men and women are both a pain in the ass. Just on different cheeks.

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True enough.....sorta lol

More often then not it seems like every fantasy I have that starts off with a genetic female ends with a ts climax.

Would only be fitting if real life ended that way...

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Originally Posted by Kazharlem

On this forum many of people have talked about who they would like to fuck and who they would like to be fucked by and so forth and so on. My question to all of the men in this forum: If you had an opportunity to have a serious long term relationship with a BTG would you? If your answer is no why wouldn't you?

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Heck yeah ! And I would guess that most of the serial posters would. But the non-sex-industry girls, while they may be the majority of TG, are "needles in a haystack" - i.e. rare indeed. C'est la vie.

I wouldn't. I'm only in this thing for sexual satisfaction, nothing more. I want biological children and a tranny can't give me that. Friendship is cool though. I also can't be serious with someone sell themselves for a living or who's highly promiscuous. I might (less than a 3% chance) reconsider if the TS has never prostituted, excuse me, "escorted" and actually makes their living the honest, clean way.

Anyone who fucks with me knows upfront not to expect anything more than sex. We can be friends but never anything more than that.

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Originally Posted by Financier

I wouldn't. I'm only in this thing for sexual satisfaction, nothing more. I want biological children and a tranny can't give me that. Friendship is cool though. I also can't be serious with someone sell themselves for a living or who's highly promiscuous. I might (less than a 3% chance) reconsider if the TS has never prostituted, excuse me, "escorted" and actually makes their living the honest, clean way.

Anyone who fucks with me knows upfront not to expect anything more than sex. We can be friends but never anything more than that.

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Interesting comment, I believe quite a few members feel the same way you do. Now, do you ever give a Tgirl the benefit of the doubt? Or do you just consider every Tgirl you meet an Escort?

To quote Vidman " As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP!"

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

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Originally Posted by Kazharlem

Interesting comment, I believe quite a few members feel the same way you do. Now, do you ever give a Tgirl the benefit of the doubt? Or do you just consider every Tgirl you meet an Escort?

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I'm tempted to consider every TS I meet an escort, but that wouldn't be right. I'm not shy about asking them if I have my concerns. Many of them will lie, though. But little do they know, they leave footprints all over which makes it easy to find out who's lying. But since I don't have time to be checking people out, I choose not to get involved with them on a level that would require me to even care if they're escorting or not.

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Originally Posted by Darkness

To quote Vidman " As far as dating a woman in the sex biz, I gave up on that a long time ago. Women in the "industry" find it hard to separate their man from the "industry." Don't treat me like I'm one of the Joes. I think women in the industry have a hard time with hypocricy. They don't want a man to judge them for being in the industry, yet they judge men for admiring the girls in the industry. It's an institution of total discourse which ultimately leads to.......FAILED RELATIONSHIP!"

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

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Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Darkness

I've been there and done that with a couple of BTG's on this site. The fact that a man even knows other trans-women is bad in the eyes of some ladies. I just prefer to date women outside of the industry.

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Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.

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I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

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Originally Posted by vidman

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

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Cosmic Travaler and Vidman, it seems we've followed similar paths.

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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler

Some girl gave me shit because I was " talking to too many girls. " Which was baffling to me because I wasn't aware being social was a crime, especially to someone I wasn't dating.

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The ho/housewife rule still applies so who gives a shit what she thinks at that point? Trust me, you are not her only prospect. They play the game to.

Lol.....you guys are truly amusing

Thank you? >.>

I tried but too many are caught up in "the life" and dont wanna give it up. I have no issues with a girls past but def have a problem if the same continues when were together. I used to hang with a girl that wasnt even in the porn biz...she used to do hair at shows but eventuallly ended up doing porn and it ruined that relationship. Her mentality completely changed when the escorting started.

Fact is most of these girls want real love, but they arent willing to give up what they should to attain it. And in all honesty, most guys that accept an escorting girl, are with you just to say theyre with you. No real man wants to share his girl with anyone. If she's the one then she's the one....not the one plus 15. When I get home or meet my girl, I wanna kiss her. I dont wanna have to worry about if im kissing dick lips everyday. I could only imagine sitting at the bar overhearing how some guy fucked my girl last night #PISSED!!!

I SPEAK TRUTH!!!! =D

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Originally Posted by vidman

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

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I see quite a bit of validity in your opinion. Your opinion also holds true with most "genetic girls" as well. Most people (male & female) love attention. Everyone wants to be the center of someone else's universe, but it seems as if many of us are harder on Tgirls than on everyone else. Why do we see 90 to 99% of Tgirls as escorts or sex industry starlets? I admit the majority of Tgirls I have come across are in the industry either as a model on a porn site or an escort, but that's mainly because of the easy access to them on various porn sites and escort sites. There are 10 times more straight porn sites out there and the "regular escort" sites are also 10 to 20 times larger than Tgirl sites yet I'm sure when you see a nice looking genetic girl on the street you do not automatically think she's an escort or a porn star. Or do you?

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Originally Posted by Kazharlem

I see quite a bit of validity in your opinion. Your opinion also holds true with most "genetic girls" as well. Most people (male & female) love attention. Everyone wants to be the center of someone else's universe, but it seems as if many of us are harder on Tgirls than on everyone else. Why do we see 90 to 99% of Tgirls as escorts or sex industry starlets? I admit the majority of Tgirls I have come across are in the industry either as a model on a porn site or an escort, but that's mainly because of the easy access to them on various porn sites and escort sites. There are 10 times more straight porn sites out there and the "regular escort" sites are also 10 to 20 times larger than Tgirl sites yet I'm sure when you see a nice looking genetic girl on the street you do not automatically think she's an escort or a porn star. Or do you?

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I see your point Kaz but I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. You cant really compare it like that because there are more genetic women than transsexual women. For example, 5000 biological women who escort out of 100,000 total biological women doesn't look as bad as 5000 transsexuals who escort out of 5500 total transsexuals. Do you see my point? An overwhelming majority of transsexuals work in the industry. Not the case with biological women. Another example....we all know that our prison system consists of whites and blacks, about 49% to 47% respectively. That doesn't look so bad. But when you look at the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the total US population and we are taking up almost 50% of the occupancy when white people outnumber blacks in this country 7 to 1.......now it looks bad. These are the same examples that apply to the transsexual world.

I find it very interesting that you guys can make generalities about girls in the industry (and ts woman as a whole) but when ever a girl make generalities about men y'all call foul....#hypocrites

From reading these replies, it sounds like y'all boys are dealing with a lot of unnecessary drama that could potentially stress you out. But I thank you for all for sharing your opinions because y'all have basically strengthened the point I made earlier.

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Originally Posted by Financier

From reading these replies, it sounds like y'all boys are dealing with a lot of unnecessary drama that could potentially stress you out. But I thank you for all for sharing your opinions because y'all have basically strengthened the point I made earlier.

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Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.

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interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.

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I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Indy24

Drama tends to come with the territory but that doesn't mean you have to leave with it...


On another note. I've accepted that chaser role to a some degree and basically ran with it... So in this day and age if ho's don't like being called "ho's" then perhaps they should be "escorting" something other than bodily fluids...

Just saying is all.

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My lifestyle requires that I keep drama and negative emotions to a minimum because I need my mind to be clear in order to think objectively. If you can continue to deal with it, then you're a better man than me.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

interesting that you can call us hoes but if we call you a faggot for taking dick y'all wanna cry about it....y'all niggas is a trip.
I'm just saying how bout y'all show us the same amount of respect that you would want us to show you.

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In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

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Originally Posted by Financier

I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

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EXACTLY!!!!!!!! It's not like transsexuals were born biological women. As far as society sees it, they are men in dress-up. So for them to call us fags is baseless considering they are the same. Good point Finance.

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Originally Posted by vidman

In my experiences, when I do show a girl respect, she still disrespects me in the utmost way. Perfect example....the situation I just dealt with from a certain girl in DC (you know who). I don't think it matters with you girls Amber. You all are so jaded by the industry until your sense of normal communication and relationships is skewed. You girls think that all men are the guys that call your phone looking to P4P. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I can honestly say that I have NEVER disrespected a woman in my life! There is not one thread on here with me dogging or disrespecting a single woman. Even those threads where a girl is snapping on me, I never retaliated with disrespect.

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I actually thought you got a bit disrespectful towards Remy during y'all last spat but that's not really my place to speak on.
But yea I guess we can keep the cycle of abuse going.the guys disrespect the girls, the girls disrespect the guys and so forth.
I actually give all guys the benefit of the doubt at first.its not until the guy says or does something that I start to feel a certain way.you can ask Remy, i'm always defending men much to her annoyance lol.I've been lucky enough to meet a few nice guys so I know that they're out there.
I may be overly opinionated and abrasive at times but I don't call you guys tranny chasers or faggots.I don't chastise y'all or call you all names for what y'all like but you guys do it to girls in the industry.
P.s. interestingly enough you still want thru some drama and that girl wasn't in the industry.speaking on that subject real quick, if what you say is true than I might owe you an apology.at the very least i'm sorry to have gotten into it on the forum, that was messy of me.

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Originally Posted by Financier

I mean....y'all calling guys faggots is a contradiction, really. So I don't understand why y'all even call guys faggots for doing the same thing you're doing...being a male engaging in sex with another male. The dress up thing is cool and whatnot, but don't forget who you really are, especially to the point where you start condemning guys for doing what you're doing.

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I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.

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I understand clearly but what you don't understand is that regardless of what amount of "respect" is given that's not gonna give the average escort the red carpet treatment regarding relationships. You fight the disparaging names being called but you can't deny the justifications for them stating the matter. And not knowing if his lovely escort companion has a "hair bump or a cold soar" could change his life for the remainder....

Your opinion is a result of self preservation so only you and TS women of your profession will co-sign that evasive "Pretty Woman" fetish you all tend to dream upon.

Oh and for a tranny to call a man a fag for embracing tranny cock. It can not be proven w/o his co-contributor. So you might wanna use another example to plead your case moving forward.

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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi

I don't call men fags, you totally missed the point I was trying to make *sigh*.
Whenever i'm on this forum I feel like a brick wall would comprehend me better lol.
And what do you mean what I really am?I hate when y'all try to throw that in our face like that is supposed to mean something.i'm a woman, inside and out that's my truth.
I always find it surprising that the regular people in society that I interact with have an easier time accepting me as a woman than the men who so called admire us.I get called a man by y'all way more often than normal societies does.

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I understand the point you were making. I just wanted to say that because I see it far too much. LOL

By the way, what exactly are you all calling disrespect on here? When dealing with females and TS, disrespect usually means not letting them talk to you and treat you any ole kind of way. In other words, setting them straight when you have to. That's usually what they mean by disrespect. So, is that how you all gauge disrespect on here too?

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Originally Posted by vidman

I've noticed that a lot of transsexuals have delusions of grandeur, Cos. They like to feel larger than what they really are. They don't want you paying the same attention to another girl if you're giving her that attention regardless if you two are only friends or more than friends. The insecurities are deeply rooted, so attention makes them feel as if they have separated themselves from the rest, hence the feeling of security. Once they see you begin to show someone else the same attention it makes them feel par again. You know, like the rest.....nothing special.

Disclosure: This is only MY opinion! Nothing factual stated here. Only based on my experience with some transsexuals and the patterns are similar. One can only deduce that there may be some validity to my presumption.

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I mostly agree with the sentiments here as more than a few girls popped into my mind whilst reading this bit. I would add that many guys also fall right into the same category once the tables are reversed though.

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Originally Posted by vidman

I see your point Kaz but I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. You cant really compare it like that because there are more genetic women than transsexual women. For example, 5000 biological women who escort out of 100,000 total biological women doesn't look as bad as 5000 transsexuals who escort out of 5500 total transsexuals. Do you see my point? An overwhelming majority of transsexuals work in the industry. Not the case with biological women. Another example....we all know that our prison system consists of whites and blacks, about 49% to 47% respectively. That doesn't look so bad. But when you look at the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the total US population and we are taking up almost 50% of the occupancy when white people outnumber blacks in this country 7 to 1.......now it looks bad. These are the same examples that apply to the transsexual world.

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Basically I'm rehashing what I said to you in another thread. The absence of evidence is not evidence of it's absence. Your numbers are completely arbitrary and have no factual numbers to support it. You may primarily know escorts compared to non escorting ts, but that absolutely does not mean that is what the majority of the Trans population consist of just what you've been exposed to.

This isn't toward you specifically vidman, but I do find it interesting how trans admirers claim to only be willing to be involved with non sex industry trans women but practically refuse to engage with trans women outside of the sex industry (i.e porn forums, escorts, porn etc). Step out to a Ball/Pageant, Pride Marches, or the many other LGBT events that are occurring year round and Im certain many trans admirers eyes would widen at the huge population of trans women that have nothing to do with the sex industry.

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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M

Step out to a Ball/Pageant, Pride Marches, or the many other LGBT events that are occurring year round and Im certain many trans admirers eyes would widen at the huge population of trans women that have nothing to do with the sex industry.

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Meh....they're too damn clingy.