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I'm speechless.... Does this really go on? If so what is the female pornstar suicide rate...
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I'm speechless.... Does this really go on? If so what is the female pornstar suicide rate...
This is wonderfully hilarious.
Yea, degrading women is very fucking hilarious #loser
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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi
If you wanna place blame on anybody for the 'degradation', blame the women who WILLINGLY participate FOR MONEY. And blame the ones who do it MULTIPLE times. Its always easy to blame men for everything, but sometimes its just applicable.
And by the way, some argue that escorting and doing porn is degrading, no matter HOW the person doing explains it as 'empowering' or 'doing what i have to do to pay my bills'
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Originally Posted by tsamberskyi
Btw, this is for the porn site Ghetto Gaggers. Which deals exclusively in content like this. Meaning they know full well what they're getting into when they go in. That is, if they're smart enough to do their research. And if they aren't it's still funny. If you were stupid enough to let this happen to you I'd laugh at you as well. So maybe you get off that high horse.
Degrading women doesn't matter. Degrading PEOPLE is what's funny. You sexist twat.
'LIKE' lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
Yeah, perhaps this hit a nerve because she's..............."Stu-pid"?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
It is degrading. I've seen these before and was fairly disgusted with them at the time. This isn't how anyone should be treat. I work in this industry and I think most companies treat the models with a modicum of respect and professionalism. This is the gutter of the industry.
These "models" have came in for an interview, for whatever reasons wanting to work in the adult industry and to have degrading insults thrown in their face. Who cares what their IQ level is or how much research they've done on this industry. It's basic lack of respect. This shows the level of ignorance of the three of you who are defending it and the level of how you must look at all women.
Very fucking poor.
Did you even watch it? This has got nothing to do with placing blame. They delibrately set out to degrade, insult and humiliate people. It's got nothing to do with porn or escorting so stop trying to muddy the waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreat1
Crusade all you like, but as I said this is a specific niche in porn. Since the site started nothing about it has changed. So if thley're still going in for interviews for this site knowing full well what they're getting themselves into they have only themselves to blame. You don't see me walking into Klan meetings and then complaining about why there's a noose around my neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
And I might add, some people enjoy being treated this way. So the ignorance is really coming from you assuming that everyone lives and thinks the way you do or believe they should. After all last I checked there were people who said porn in general was degrading. Are you gonna stop producing it because they say so? Sometimes I love the bullshit double standards you people like to throw around. I'm gonna go have me some spaghetti.
yes i have watched it...have YOU? if so then you'd see that many of the girls COME BACK A SECOND TIME to do the same shit...not too mention, many of the already established girls in the industry (cherokee, jada fire, etc) have done scenes...and in the beginning of the video, they have ALL said they knew what they were getting in to...so that throws your 'they're being exploited cuz they don't know what's going on' theory right of out the damn window...Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
secondly, just in case you didn't know, ANY kind of porn is viewed as degrading and exploitation by much of society...so by definition, YOU SIR are just as guilty as the gentlemen producing ghetto gaggers...but i bet you aren't gonna shut down all of your sites are you...quite the contrary, you're just gonna sit back and keep getting rich from it...
and when i spoke of placing blame, i meant no one is forcing these girls to do anything...they can always get the fuck up and leave (with if you've actually watched and researched, a few of them have)...
so you keep sitting back and thinking you're better than these dudes mr. 'high and mighty'...whatever helps you sleep at night...
now come with your 'fuck offs', insults and threats of bannings like you usually do...doesn't change a damn thing...
im sorry but what does that say about someones psyche if they get turned on or amused by watching woman (or people) get degraded.
who cares if these woman were willing and knowing before hand its still disturbing to watch.im actually familiar with "ghetto gaggers" and i saw one scene where the girl broke down so bad they had to stop filming.you could literally see something die inside her eyes.the purpose of these films are to degrade woman to say anything else would be a lie.thats the appeal of them.
when i do a scene i am treated with nothing but respect and dignity.if im not cool with something it doesnt happen.i dont have male models or producers screaming at me about how much of a stupid whore i am or smacking me in the face.
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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
I've never watched one. So I couldn't tell you. Of course I've never made my distaste for people anything less than obvious, but that's quite irrelevant though seeing as how this topic isn't about me. Stop derailing threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsamberskyi
As for your other post, perhaps you don't care if they consent to it or not. That's fine, it's not your thing. But the fact of the matter is they willingly put themselves in that situation, so it's their own damn fault. Stand in front of train and it will hit you. It's pretty basic logic for anyone with a fully functional brain. Being judgmental about what people get off to is preeeetty hypocritical of you.
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This is an interesting topic that I had no plan on viewing as I don't usually like watching youtube vids. Given the statements, I decided to see just what was going on.
I have to agree that there is a huge difference between the more vanilla type of porn we film and this genre that this site promotes. It's like the difference between a white comedian doing a joke about black people and a white comedian walking on stage with "black face" (minstrel shows, vaudeville type) making the same jokes. There comes a point where a person crosses the line. I also can't help but think less of the individuals that actually get off to this brand of porn they are promoting. Makes me glad there are people like me in the business that actually care about the model well being and that they are treated fairly.
A similar argument was made about the girl that R. Kelly pissed on, just because someone may think that they want it doesn't mean it should be allowed to occur. People in a position of power (the producers) have a moral obligation to treat people with respect, and until people stand up and show these girls they don't have to put up with bs in order to make a buck in porn the foolishness will just continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M
And again you all seem to be over looking the fact that some people actually enjoy being treated that way. Do these girls? I don't know, it could go either way I don't know the broads. But just as there are people who enjoy doing it, there are people who enjoy having it done to them. So it isn't always about the people who fap to the degradation, but the people who fap ( and shlick ) to the humiliation. People have kinks... get over it. It's not rape, it's not pedophilia, it's not a snuff film. Don't like it... move along. I saw period porn once, damn near threw up. Did I start picketing? No, I moved the fuck along. Quick.
Who hasn't watched one of those celebrity roast on Comedy Central?
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Originally Posted by Ms Remy M
1) just because YOU feel the moral obligation to do such does not mean EVERYONE has to feel, think or live the same way...
2) the r. kelly argument is TOTALLY flawed...there is a huge difference between someone using their celebrity, influence, power, etc to get a young, impressionable individual that may idolize them to do something versus a GROWN ASS person (some of these girls even have kids) that can think and make choices/decisions for themselves to do the same thing...by your logic, jerry sandusky could have pulled the same thing with the 22 year old quarterback (who can DECIDE FOR HIMSELF whether he wants a dick in his ass) that he did with the 8 year old child he was with in the shower...
and again, though you may think/feel/believe that your 'vanilla' brand of porn is palatable, to much of society it is still degrading and exploitation...and you, an individual who makes money off of these girls, because some may do it because they're in a financial bind (as i believe was the case in you, vidman and amber's little tiff a few weeks ago), are exploiting them as well...just because you aren't slapping or choking them doesn't make it any different...this isn't karate...there aren't varying degrees of exploitation...but im sure you will continue to shoot the pictures & video and collect a check from it...
and again, NO ONE IS MAKING THEM DO IT...just like amber said, if she's not cool with it, its doesn't happen...if they don't like what's going on, they can always leave...nobody has them trapped in a dungeon with no way out...
not to mention that, i have discussed this very topic with jada fire and she said, they ask you in the very beginning what you will and won't do...what you are and aren't comfortable with them doing to you...and note the edits in the videos where the girls might be covered in puke, but then next frame they've wiped off, freshened up (for lack of a better phrase), etc...at any point in time, they could be like, 'you know what, fuck this..im gone'...
ps...i don't give a slap happy fuck if a chick does porn, escorts or shits on a stick to get paid...i dont look down on her at all...i just don't want to hear that 'this is all i can do', 'im playing the cards i was dealt' shit...there are many transgender & genetic women who, instead of selling themselves, work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet...some have gone back to school, and gotten a degree or learned a trade and now work in corporate america, academia, hospitals, salons, etc...perfect example...angel vixen...watch the beginning or her scene in the latest black shemale idol...see what the fuck she's doing..
Nah, most of them don't know they're doing it and they don't sign up for it, when they come onto this site - so don't pretend you know more than you do, to justify it. Maybe they come back because at the end of the day, they're willing to be humiliated as they need the money but that doesn't mean they like to be humiliated and as Amber says, what does it say about the person who gets off on this material. Furthermore, by showing this as the acceptable porn, it casts and untrue and bad light on the industry in the same way content like crack hoe porn or other same exploitative porn where the participants are coerced or ignorant of the outcome.
It's exactly content like this and the clowns that make it, that tar all porn with the same brush and the public believes all porn is exploitative which the majority of it, clearly isn't and often goes to lengths to prove otherwise.
Oh, so you know that they don't know what they're getting into? I wasn't aware you were part of the gaggers casting agency... unless of course you aren't... Then you'd just be talking out of your ass wouldn't you...? But... you wouldn't do that... would you?
And if they don't know what they're getting into, then I'm supposed to feel sorry for them not taking two minutes out of their time to google what kind of company they're about to work for? To hell with that. If I stopped to feel sorry for every stupid action taken by every stupid person, I'd die of grief. No thanks.
Quite frankly I don't really care what it says about a person that they get off on that sort of thing. If I did, I'd have to care about what getting off to shemale porn says about me. And since that'd interfere with my orgasms, I don't see any reason why I should.
Nah I wouldn't talk out of my arse but clearly you seem to be doing so. You're not meant to feel sorry for them for not googling, you're meant to understand that this sort of porn is exploitative and not acceptable - but you wouldn't do that would you? Clearly, you just don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
So bdsm and other hardcore that has some of the same aspects (throat fucking, hard penetrations, multiple cum shots in the face, etc) is okay just because they're not insulting them? Which some of it does. And if you're not on the set, how do you REALLY know whats going on behind the scenes? Have you spoken to any if these girls? Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Bottom line, if i start doing something and realize i dont like it, or its not for me, i'd simply STOP AND LEAVE. Its called free will. That point, you CANNOT argue.
Not everyone has the luxury of free will when they're between a rock and hardplace. It's unfortunate but YOU cannot argue with that. I don't know the models but I know the company.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreat1
BDSM - if it's a company like Kink doing it, which has failsafes in place and each model is usually either into the scene or made fully aware of it, then that's fine. It's not exploitative or degrading - however, if a model was told to turn up for a hardcore scene and they made it into BDSM or extreme without informing her, then that's where the problem would lie. Fortunately, most of the companies shooting that sort of content are very clean and upfront as they walk a thin line.
There is also the issue of peer pressure on set. You come to a shoot, there are other girls and guys there and a model feels that she can't walk out. This is common in all walks of life.
This is you talking out of your ass right here. Because as mentioned, you're not on set. You say you know the company, but you clearly don't know their practices. Because you don't work for them. Don't give me that rock and a hard place BS, because if you actually watched the vid there were girls who clearly had better goals ( One of which was even complimented on such. ) So spare me the violins.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
And as it has been said, girls can and have walked out. It's not like there's a pimp there ready to put the cane to work when someone says they wanna go. You were free to come you're free to leave. And if you've got issues with peer pressure as an adult, your problems are beyond a few meager insults.
You keep crusading without looking at the entire picture. And based on your earlier arguments I'd say your issue is more with how they make you look than how they actually treat the girls. So uh, you have fun completely ignoring every view point but your own. Living in a world where adults aren't held accountable for their own actions and what not.
No I'm not talking out of my ass. I'm better placed to no more about it than you and yes, my issue is partially on how they make the industry look. I stated that, so don't make it a revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
Whatever their goals may be or for whatever reason they came to this company, the end product and how they were treat is degrading and exploitative.
Take a chill for a few weeks and come back when you get some manners.
So he's gonna get banned because he's putting out valid points that you just dont agree with? You ARENT part of that production company and you probably dont even know these dudes. So you have just as much inside information as any of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Seanchai, its easy for you to always fall back on that 'i know more than you' argument. Doesnt always mean its actually true. You never admit when you're wrong because you THINK you know every thing. You just threaten, or actually, ban people once they put forth arguments that are contrary to you and hold weight. Like cosmic said, if you're grown and still fall for peer pressure, that's a YOU problem. But that whole, 'if you dont bow down to what i say, you get banned' thing is weak. Smdh.
Who the fuck have I banned you big fucking pansy.
I state what I know to be fact, I've argued with plenty of people on here yet it's the same ego's I keep coming up against and I'm not going to be told I'm "talking out of my ass" in that manner. In fact, I allowed another individual to stay a member of this forum despite going against another moderators judgement which may or may not have been correct, as I prefer to argue the situation rather than just take the weaker option of banning them. I think I've given you enough leeway on this forum to show you for what you are.
I can't remember the last time I banned anyone for a disagreement other then when they flagrantely broke the rules but you're becoming a TROLL on this forum. Send me your username and I'll refund you the month on BlackTgirls for this month and you can leave and cool off for a bit also - either that, or go start your own forum that allows your ego to spew the nonsense that you do here.
It's tiring providing one or two people a soapbox when they bring nothing but hate to it.
This forum is for the celebration of black transgenders and especially those in the adult industry - anything else is fluff.
Guess you didnt see that big ass question mark huh? Anyway, dude i could give a damn less about you banning me from this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Like i said, he put forth valid points, as did i. Nobody's making this girls doing anything. And they do have repeat appearances, so not everybody is walking in blind. Also, some people feel porn is degrading and exploitive no matter it is, so in their mind, you're just as bad.
Now, since you're getting in your feelings as usual, im gonna be done with it. And that $35 bucks is nothing my man, trust me.
You just got to keep trolling don't you. You don't know when to say, fuck it, I've had my say, he's had his say - you just keep going.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreat1
Why do you keep going on about "some people feel porn is exploitative ... blah blah" - clearly you can't read that's been responded to and it's irrelevant.
Listen son, grow up and come back when you've learned manners. Take that $35 a buy the Idiots Guide to Being a Grown-Up.
Lol. Funny. As you see, i said i was done with it. YOU decide to say something else. But fine. I'll shut up now Debo lolQuote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
Yeah, well my forum, my prerogative, Gloria.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreat1
You're right. You elevated level of estrogen generating little bitch you. Take my ball and go home if you dont wanna play by rules ass pussy. I made it a point to not say anything insulting even in the midst of our back and forth. But you wanted to go there.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
So take that 35 bucks and go yourself something cute. A nice set of earrings that will match the pumps and panties you have on. And no need to say thank you. I like to keep my bitches looking good. *slaps shannachai on the ass*
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Originally Posted by thegreat1
Ciao, you didn't have a membership anyway, fool. I checked. This forum is free for non-members - but they should at least have some manners.
Go and chill out for a few weeks and come back if you can behave with some respect for this forum and those on it.
im sorry but dominance is one thing,degradation is another.like ive said ive actually watched a few scenes of ghetto gaggers and the purpose is for white men to sexually degrade and hurt black woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by thegreat1
my whole issues isnt about if these girls were consenting or not.even tho you could argue that seeing or being told something is quite different from the reality.ive seen at least one scene where chick broke down,started crying and they had to stop filming.it was horrible.
my issue is i dont understand how someone can see the overt degradation and humiliation of another individual as appealing.im sorry but its hard for me to see someone as mentally or emotionally healthy if they get sexually excited at the thought/fantasy of harming someone.
I plan on taking two weeks off but it's to take the fam to Disney World......Hmmm are there any known strolls there? I kinda suspect that Tinker Bell is a tranny but she's likely to be strictly bottom though so meh...
As for this thread, its a simple case of "sex preservation".
To Seanchai and Remi these video's are the equivalent of how respectable women view that "Bad Girls Club" show or how most black people regard that stupid "Love & Hiphop" show. I guess it's just fear that this puts an already seedy profession in a bad light.
I'm not gonna lie and claim to know the extent of what goes on beyond the scenes with these vids. All I know is that they were fucking hilarious. And for all we know the Troll Guys could've given each girl a great big hug and treated them to the Olive Garden afterwards...And if it's a situation where the guys talking are just natural assholes...fear not. Karma has a way trolling in return.
I think it's really funny for people who are clearly not in the porn industry at all, and rarely even as a paying customer for this particular company (ghetto gaggers) feel they know the in's and out's of what is going on behind the scenes. It's easy for you guys to say you know anything when you are just an anonymous avatar, Seanchai is actually attending adult industry events and functions and rubbing elbows with the who's who of the industry.
Cosmic your apathetic ways say a lot about you, and we all have had down moments where we wanted someone to care about what we are going through. There comes a point where you have to say "Hey, I'm not going to support company 'x' by viewing this material because it is degrading." This is why I refuse to visit sites like World Star Hip Hop and Media Take Out, because they flourish off of making fun of the scandalous side of society.
I think it's funny how you people spout things when you don't have anything to back up your claims and completely ignore all hints at common sense. But rather than continue this meaningless argument I'm just going to take a page out of your own books and completely ignore anything you put forth in this discussion. If you feel like you've " learned " something about me in this discussion then that tells me you haven't been paying attention. I say I hate people constantly.
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Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler
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