Hey Seachai, question about Star Tattoos on Tgirls from Brasil

"It means they have membership in "Ordem de Fêmea com Sociedade do Pénis " which is the oldest "tranny mafia" in Brazil and can trace it's roots to the slave trade coming into Brazil when it was a Portuguese Colony. It was originally a way that effeminate men could be sold out of the slave trade for plantations, into the sex trade or sold as "females" to horny slave owners. The 5 pointed star was used as a marker to denote that they were for "female use" (the 5 points being the head, the arms and the legs) - a 6 pointed star was used if they were to be sold as men (the 6th point being the penis).
Shortly after slavery ended, those with the "badges" got together and opened Brothels which specialised in transsexuals. They used the Star on the door or windows of the brothels to signify that it was a "tranny" house. The star became known as "Espalhe a estrela aberta do sexo".

In more recent times, it's become the marker of the tranny mafia group who kept the original name. Part gang, part prostitute union they pretty much control a lot of the travesti sex industry in Brazil and once your in, you have "protection" - for a fee of course, the tattoo is the proof that you are in the "Union". Wearing it without being accepted in the Union would have a punishment ranging from death, to full castration or acid thrown in the face (the last two disabling a TS from being a TS prositute)."


++++ Yo Seanchai, I saw you posted this on another forum and was wondering if this is legit info, because I have always wondered what those star tattoos on the Brazilian tgirls were, after all this isn't the kind of thing you hear about every day. I did an entire thesis on the history of Brazil from colonization and slavery up to modern day. Doing that I became pretty immersed in the culture, language and history.

Very interesting info about the star tattoo, as a history major it really has me interested to find out more info about this. I love researching, reading and discovering more about these kind of things.

wow very interesting indeed. I too would like more info into this organized crime family.

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Very interesting info about the star tattoo, as a history major it really has me interested to find out more info about this. I love researching, reading and discovering more about these kind of things.

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I too, am a very, very dedicated history maven; you can't know where you are going, if you don't know where you've been. However, since reading your treatise on stars, I couldn't help myself, I had a ROC (with all due respect) moment; I wonder if she's hooked up with those Brazilian star dudes?:D
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"HA,HA,HA"! But, you never know. "LOL"

Total BS I made it up for fun on that other forum just because so many people espouse their rubbish as fact ... :-)

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Total BS I made it up for fun on that other forum just because so many people espouse their rubbish as fact ... :-)

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LOL, well you have quite a vivid imagination Seanchai. I guess its just a simple tattoo design for the ladies indeed, nothing else to it.

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Total BS I made it up for fun on that other forum just because so many people espouse their rubbish as fact ... :-)

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Good one Seanchai i already knew this was made up,although you did have a couple of real events posted. The acid in the face on a Tgirl by a known mafia family(happend in italy to a well known pornstar).

Good Stuff.

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Good one Seanchai i already knew this was made up,although you did have a couple of real events posted. The acid in the face on a Tgirl by a known mafia family(happend in italy to a well known pornstar).

Good Stuff.

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kilakali, since you are from Brazil, what of the scorpion tatoos? I've seen them in a lot of Brazilian t-girl videos. Are those tats a part of some organized crime or just BS as seanchai pointed out?
Also, I just saw a program called Sexo Urbano: Rio De Janeiro. It was interesting because it centered on sex in Rio and the beautiful women and t-girls who candidly talk about sex and their sex lives. But,the highlight for me was the t-girls who don't describe themselves as transsexuals (beating the dead horse, again), as many do in the United States (which has turned into a fad description). They proudly boast that they are transvestites, and you can plainly see, they have taken the fetish to a higher level than here in the states. Can you give me your take on this?

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But,the highlight for me was the t-girls who don't describe themselves as transsexuals (beating the dead horse, again), as many do in the United States (which has turned into a fad description). They proudly boast that they are transvestites, and you can plainly see, they have taken the fetish to a higher level than here in the states. Can you give me your take on this?

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This is something I came to understand reading up on Brazilian travesti subculture in a book written called Travesti and this passage in the book really stuck out to me,

"They are instead, they say, homosexuals—males who ardently desire men and who fashion and perfect themselves as objects of desire for other men''. ''Just as travestis are not striving for womanhood, neither are they rejecting identity or striving for ambiguity. What they are striving for, they readily tell anybody who will listen is homosexuality. . . . Travestis consider themselves to be homosexual desire in its fullest and most perfect form''.

See this is why I love different cultures worldwide because from ladyboys in Thailand, baklas in the Philippines, warias in Indonesia, newhalfs in Japan, travestis of Brazil, etc. you essentially have such similarities yet such differences that the respective culture plays in defining these groups.

Its one of the things I find interesting when I ask myself the cliche phrase am I gay. Well I like travestis, they say they are very effeminate homosexuals and don't view themselves as women trapped in mens bodies. So what does that all mean about my true desires in liking them.

Travestis of Brazil on the other hand tend to like men who like women, as they told the author. Don Kulick was gay and they remarked that thus they would have no interest in him sexually, but yet they don't see themselves as women, but rather they say they feel like women or are feminine (se sentir mulher) hence they get buttocks and breasts enhancements.

I guess that is why this comes back to the notion that many of us say we are attracted to transsexuals because of that almost hyper femininity. For me personally I like the way they talk, the way they walk, the hand gestures and movements, the notion that this individual who was born physically male is so feminine in desires, tastes, pursuits are all an attraction to me and draws me in.

This subject will always remain a true fascination and mystery for me and I don't mind it being that way, gives a lot of food for thought.

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kilakali, since you are from Brazil, what of the scorpion tatoos? I've seen them in a lot of Brazilian t-girl videos. Are those tats a part of some organized crime or just BS as seanchai pointed out?
Also, I just saw a program called Sexo Urbano: Rio De Janeiro. It was interesting because it centered on sex in Rio and the beautiful women and t-girls who candidly talk about sex and their sex lives. But,the highlight for me was the t-girls who don't describe themselves as transsexuals (beating the dead horse, again), as many do in the United States (which has turned into a fad description). They proudly boast that they are transvestites, and you can plainly see, they have taken the fetish to a higher level than here in the states. Can you give me your take on this?

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I dont know much on the tatoos or what they signify. I would see it as being trendy similar to the paw prints you see here in the States. However the Female Order Society Of the Penis is bs, but funny.

The Brasilian girls are proud just as you stated as being travesti. They are not ridiculed as much in Brasil as they are in the states. As you can see on the forum here how people get upset over the term. The girls in Brasil are attracted to hetero guys only. In my experience with them "looking" like a girl is their best chance of being with that type of guy. Also there is alot of money to be made in the escorting business as a TV. That is why so many take hormones, implants, facial grating, etc. However they spend their life as a "girl" with their appearance,lifestyle, and actually there is an increase of SRS in the country. They also believe any male that is penatrated is no longer a man. To be honest in my opinon quiet a few are "bottom boys" trying to make money in any way possible.

I just noticed i basically repeated what the above poster posted. To some extent Kulick is correct but hence he was in Bahia a very poor section of Brasil, so his conclusion is not that of all tgirls in Brasil.

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I too, am a very, very dedicated history maven; you can't know where you are going, if you don't know where you've been. However, since reading your treatise on stars, I couldn't help myself, I had a ROC (with all due respect) moment; I wonder if she's hooked up with those Brazilian star dudes?:D
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You know what your brain does to me you gotta stop it.Chanel is all tingly inside.

Travestis consider themselves to be homosexual desire in its fullest and most perfect form''.

WOW! That's very very interesting. Makes kinda sense in one regard. And as we know, other reasons abound. Learn something new here every day.