TGirls and the sex industry

[MrF]

One thing that has always surprised me is what a large fraction of TGirls work in the sex industry, or so it seems. I've estimated that between 3 and 14% of those who are of "working age" (18 to 30) work as escorts. I'll provide details of the estimate in a follow-up post -- it's a little boring.

Now I realize that, obviously, by hanging out in a sex-industry message forum I could get a distorted view of the TGirl scene. However, my strong impression that it was a big fraction came from meeting TGirls in various gay bars. I guess I've met about 30 this way over the span of several years and they were *ALL* escorts. The gay men were, I think, mostly not escorts, so then why should all the TGirls be ? (Actually one fed me a line that she was "not a prostitute", but if she was how much $$ would I give her, because she really needed the $$ ! )

Not that I judge anyone negatively for this, but since escorting is a socially undesirable job in the USA it's a strange statistic even if it is only 3%, as that is much higher than for GG, and I wonder what it means ?

From the comments I've seen various places, the reasons include:

1. Since guys tend to treat that as hoes anyway, they might as well be one. This sounds like a crazy rationalization, but I've read or heard the comment many times.

2. Can't get a legit job due to discrimination against transgenders, so they need the $$ and escorting pays well.

3. In some cases, they are "freaky" (promiscuous), so may as well get paid while they're at it.

What do you guys think ?

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[ROC]

NO COMMENT......... NOT GONNA TOUCH THIS QUESTION WITH A TEN FOOT POLE.........LOL

[MrF]

Below I show how I estimated that between 3 and 14% of TGirls are escorts. (Warning, it's boring !)

The percentages may seem higher for the TGirls in gay bars, but that may be because most TGirls don't go to bars. Instead, they may be "homebodies", and/or they get jobs and are in "boy mode" in public, and are hard to find because they are rare. Perhaps many are in committed monogamous relationships, etc.

The 3 inputs to the estimate are as follows, and I'm not sure how accurate they are: 1) From a casual perusal of eros.com and CL, about 25% of escorts are TGirls. We'll assume that's representative of the escort industry; 2) The fraction of GG (genetic girls) who are escorts is 0.023% according to wikipedia. 3) Again according to wikipedia, the fraction of males who experience gender dysphoria (i.e. are TGirls) is between 1 in 500 and 1 in 2500.

Putting these together and doing the math we get between 2.9 and 14 %.

As an example to show the math: Suppose 1 in 1000 males are TGirls and 1 in 4 escorts are TGirls. Then TGirls are 250 times more likely to become escorts as GG. Multiply 250 by 0.023% to get 5.75%.

[DirtySouth]

One thing that has always surprised me is what a large fraction of TGirls work in the sex industry, or so it seems. I've estimated that between 3 and 14% of those who are of "working age" (18 to 30) work as escorts. I'll provide details of the estimate in a follow-up post -- it's a little boring.

Now I realize that, obviously, by hanging out in a sex-industry message forum I could get a distorted view of the TGirl scene. However, my strong impression that it was a big fraction came from meeting TGirls in various gay bars. I guess I've met about 30 this way over the span of several years and they were *ALL* escorts. The gay men were, I think, mostly not escorts, so then why should all the TGirls be ? (Actually one fed me a line that she was "not a prostitute", but if she was how much $$ would I give her, because she really needed the $$ ! )

Not that I judge anyone negatively for this, but since escorting is a socially undesirable job in the USA it's a strange statistic even if it is only 3%, as that is much higher than for GG, and I wonder what it means ?

We are ALL playing with fire here. Most of us have had similar experiences with tgirls so Im sure we will all agree. Since you pose a good question, I feel compelled to give my two cents.

In my personal adventures, even before I joined the sex industry, I had never met a tgirl with a sole 9 to 5. The few girls that I have met with jobs and/or in college always either escorted part time, fraud or had a sugar daddy. I do believe there are plenty of tgirls out there with a job and working hard to fit into society w/o the sex industry. I'm just saying....I never met one.

You could blame the enviornments we meet these girls. Anywhere online and youre almost asking for it. Lets take bars for instance. If I go to meet females in bars, 9.99 times out of 10, she's not an escort. You have your gold diggers...but thats not escorting. It is safe to say, I have never caught my GG girlfriends in the past with an eros ad. You change that scenario to a tgirl and most of the time, you are going to be dealing with an escort. The odds are overwhelming and the fact that we are discussing it YET AGAIN, proves that its not just a few of us that have been through this.

1. Since guys tend to treat that as hoes anyway, they might as well be one. This sounds like a crazy rationalization, but I've read or heard the comment many times.

That is a cop out for personal responsibility on her behalf.

2. Can't get a legit job due to discrimination against transgenders, so they need the $$ and escorting pays well.

This is true for the non-passable ones or maybe beginners. How do you explain a extremely passable, sexy girl who has her name/sex changed still not wanting to work? A lot of girls begin life like that but they CHOOSE to keep it up. Society does not.

3. In some cases, they are "freaky" (promiscuous), so may as well get paid while they're at it.

Yet another excuse.

I can relate to you guys because I used to date tgirls before I started to work with them. Working with them, I have met some really nice girls who just dont have much guidance to get them out of that vicious cycle. Some girls do, and the choose to continue their way of life. For that, we cannot condemn them for what they want out of life and how they choose to get it. The beauty about it is, you do not have to accept it in your life. You have a choice too. Once you realize that, the issue over whether they escort or not is really trivial.

[Ms Remy M]

Arrghh ok I typed a long post and was logged out when I tried to submit it so this will be much shorter.

Before I started working in this Industry, I knew quite a few tgirls that worked regular jobs, before I ever actually met an escorting tgirl. Maybe it was the crowd I was hanging around though.

I feel discrimination is an excuse for them not to get a job. I would wager that they never even tried and just assumed that they will be discriminated against. I've seen tgirls that aren't even close to passable still holding down a job. Granted they worked in Telemarketing and didn't have to deal with customers face-to-face.

I find stats and numbers to be suspect from Wiki. I think there are probably more females escorting than there are tgirls escorting in a ratio basis. I noticed that you didn't include numbers for females that escort vs that don't. I think that whole formula is bogus.

[bxboy1984]

interesting topic. definitly fire though :P

I think reason #1 is the discrimination, but day by day that shrinking. Soon it wont be an excuse regardless of the stage of transition.
the "if he wants a quickie, hes gotta pay" is a new revolution. Alot of girls regardless of race AND sometimes even job are putting it into practice. Can't blame em sometimes because for every girl who escorts p/t or f/t, theres at least 5 guys who just want to get they dicks wet. Any guy who has ts friends will here some of the damndest stories, DAILY!!!!

[GroobySteven]

3-14%

Your way way off.

Over 50% for sure.

[MrF]

I find stats and numbers to be suspect from Wiki. I think there are probably more females escorting than there are tgirls escorting in a ratio basis. I noticed that you didn't include numbers for females that escort vs that don't. I think that whole formula is bogus.

The formula is just standard probability arithmetic, but I agree the inputs from wiki are suspect. I'd put more weight on my own observations and those of members. Sorry I didn't have the motivation/time to look up more credible sources.

The numbers for females (GG) escorting was given (0.023%), which implies that 99.977 % do not escort, so that answers the "I noticed ..." sentence, albeit using wiki numbers. But the tiny percentage for GG is plausible based on my experience.

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[DirtySouth]

I find stats and numbers to be suspect from Wiki. I think there are probably more females escorting than there are tgirls escorting in a ratio basis. I noticed that you didn't include numbers for females that escort vs that don't. I think that whole formula is bogus.

Come on partna! We dont need to break out wiki. This is common sense. Lets take a city, Atlanta, for example. Lets say that there are 1.5 million females in the city and 500 tgirls. There may be more female escorts than tgirls in sheer numbers because the female population is bigger, but ratio? No sir! Were talking 1:1000 female escort ratio compared to 1:2 tgirl escort (estimate). I think its a 50/50 split down the line or even more. My gut feeling tells me 80% escort in most major cities.

[MrF]

That's right, Dirty South, and the spirit of my post is that the TG percentage is a lot higher than the GG percentage -- the exact numbers aren't too important. So whether it's 50% or my very-rough 3-14%, it's still far higher. And I also agree with you not to judge anyone for that. (I'd have to judge myself first !) It just highlights an unusual aspect of the scene.