I gotta pay 4play ? 4 u guys

[MrKnockOut]

I would like to add that if you go, don't be cheap. It's insulting and doesn't make for good vibes. If the economy has you by the balls, then just go less often.

Girls I've seen often call me, rather than the other way around. They leave little messages like "I haven't seen you for awhile. I miss you." etc. I've gotten used to it, so I'm not annoyed. It used to bother me, like I was letting them down by not seeing them for N months. But with hard times everyone just has to understand.

Christmas is coming. Be generous and thoughtful.

This is why I tell a few girls I know, treat it as a side hustle, not a job.
Escorting should be about getting additional income on top of a 9 to 5 or 6 to 12 job...or as an ends to a mean to open up your own carry out, club, hair salon, etc.

[peggygee]

And I could attest to that ! Another girl -- rather beautiful, haughty, and too expensive for me -- stated in her ad that she was $250 per hour and would not accept less, except if you sent a pic and she liked your looks, then you could get a discount ! How many GG escorts are like that ?

Not sure if that's a good business strategy or work ethic, sure she might give
a discount for a regular or for promotional purposes.

But cause he's "fione", is not good business practice.

[bigdicki]

Not sure if that's a good business strategy or work ethic, sure she might give
a discount for a regular or for promotional purposes.

But cause he's "fione", is not good business practice.

And we all know 99% of the escort population are EXCELLENT businesswomen.

[peggygee]

And we all know 99% of the escort population are EXCELLENT businesswomen.

True dat, what was I thinking.

I must have been having a blonde moment.

[DirtySouth]

This is why I tell a few girls I know, treat it as a side hustle, not a job.
Escorting should be about getting additional income on top of a 9 to 5 or 6 to 12 job...or as an ends to a mean to open up your own carry out, club, hair salon, etc.

How many actually do that though?

...and to those that do, additional income to what exactly? A job?

It's reality. Most girls don't have the drive to do that and they don't want a boss. They will escort until the wheels fall off. Regardless of that, a few out of the majority have aspirations to do better but that doesn't mean society will let them. I do agree that TS girls (especially black) experience discrimination when trying to get a mainstream job, so they revert to more self employed endeavors - escorting, cosmetology, etc. I can't blame them for not taking it as a side hustle. For some, its their only way to make money.

But there are other factors....

True story and I can vouch for it all day. Years ago, I met a t-girl that was actually in college. Not one of the usual girls who say that as a front, I mean I've been to the dorm she stayed in, saw her graduate, the degree and everything. She had a rare opportunity to excel in the "real" world and not fall into the vices of prostitution and so on. She graduated and became a music teacher.

So.... not a year after she graduated, she felt the need to be around other tgirls - opposed to having been around college females for years (whom excepted her graciously might I add). The tgirls she started hanging with put negative thoughts in her head that she couldn't make it in the real world and before long, she had an eros add up and eventually lost focus of her job/goals for that lifestyle. This was a key example of a girl who "made it" and was dragged into the life just to fit in with others like her.

If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals.

So what I'm saying is, there are a plethora of factors that may put girls into 24-7 escort mode.

1.) Some girls just decide they want to be escorts.

2.) Others may take escorting as a career because they don't want to work harder for a different lifestyle.

3.) Some girls will excel and may experience the crabs-in-the-barrel effect and loose focus.

4.) Some will try to excel and be shot down because they aren't passable or whatever to blend into the corporate workplace.

5.) Some will excel and the odds that most of us on this board will ever meet the ones that do and blend in, will be slim to none lol. Do you think you'd meet a Spellman alumni w/ a corporate job on the forums of BrownandRound.com?.....

I'm very long winded on these types of issues. There are girls out there that have entirely different perspectives/experiences of the world. If that's really what you want, we as men have to change our environment to obtain that....

.....but instructing a TS escort on how they should treat their career choices is futile, even though you have the best intentions and I think you do. I've did it for years.

[bigdicki]

"If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals."
Truer words have never been spoken. Now if we can get not just tgirls, but peeps in the hood and on the block that, we (meaning Black folks) will have gotten somewhere.

[DirtySouth]

"If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals."
Truer words have never been spoken. Now if we can get not just tgirls, but peeps in the hood and on the block that, we (meaning Black folks) will have gotten somewhere.

That's true. The problems I explained are about our people as a whole, not just the transgendered community. The lesson can be applied to all people, not just african american, but in this instance we're keeping it in perspective to where we are now -Black-Tgirls.com

That message is to the guys and gals. This is how I see it:

TS Women: If you have problems finding/keeping good men, you have to put yourself around people or the environments that are acceptable. Change your lifestyle, get out of escorting if you want to have a meaningful relationship for the long term. If all you are meeting are unemployed, self serving and/or married men.....I'd assume its your profession that draws them. I am a firm believer that you cannot have both. There is nothing wrong with choosing to be an escort IMO. There is something wrong with holding others to a double standard while you handle your business on the side. You can turn it off, your man should not be expected to. Be happy with what you do and stop blaming men for what you lack in life.

TS Admirers: Stop trying to make hoes into housewives. Stop telling these girls you want to be with 'em romantically, then bounce on them once you get the ass. You can get what you want without the cloak and dagger moves. If she has Eros ads up, its silly to try to tell her how to run her business or to take her out of the game. If she wants to get out, she doesn't need you to do it for her. If she could be managed, there would be tranny pimps out there. My advice to men, just be more upfront about what you want and be realistic about what you can get long term.


These are just my opinions, no one has to follow them per se. I just think that if BOTH TS and Admirers were more honest with each other, it wouldnt be so hard to date.

[bigdicki]

That's true. The problems I explained are about our people as a whole, not just the transgendered community. The lesson can be applied to all people, not just african american, but in this instance we're keeping it in perspective to where we are now -Black-Tgirls.com

That message is to the guys and gals. This is how I see it:

TS Women: If you have problems finding/keeping good men, you have to put yourself around people or the environments that are acceptable. Change your lifestyle, get out of escorting if you want to have a meaningful relationship for the long term. If all you are meeting are unemployed, self serving and/or married men.....I'd assume its your profession that draws them. I am a firm believer that you cannot have both. There is nothing wrong with choosing to be an escort IMO. There is something wrong with holding others to a double standard while you handle your business on the side. You can turn it off, your man should not be expected to. Be happy with what you do and stop blaming men for what you lack in life.

TS Admirers: Stop trying to make hoes into housewives. Stop telling these girls you want to be with 'em romantically, then bounce on them once you get the ass. You can get what you want without the cloak and dagger moves. If she has Eros ads up, its silly to try to tell her how to run her business or to take her out of the game. If she wants to get out, she doesn't need you to do it for her. If she could be managed, there would be tranny pimps out there. My advice to men, just be more upfront about what you want and be realistic about what you can get long term.


These are just my opinions, no one has to follow them per se. I just think that if BOTH TS and Admirers were more honest with each other, it wouldnt be so hard to date.

Cosigned to the nth degree. Can I get an Amen?!!

[MrKnockOut]

How many actually do that though?

...and to those that do, additional income to what exactly? A job?

It's reality. Most girls don't have the drive to do that and they don't want a boss. They will escort until the wheels fall off. Regardless of that, a few out of the majority have aspirations to do better but that doesn't mean society will let them. I do agree that TS girls (especially black) experience discrimination when trying to get a mainstream job, so they revert to more self employed endeavors - escorting, cosmetology, etc. I can't blame them for not taking it as a side hustle. For some, its their only way to make money.

But there are other factors....

True story and I can vouch for it all day. Years ago, I met a t-girl that was actually in college. Not one of the usual girls who say that as a front, I mean I've been to the dorm she stayed in, saw her graduate, the degree and everything. She had a rare opportunity to excel in the "real" world and not fall into the vices of prostitution and so on. She graduated and became a music teacher.

So.... not a year after she graduated, she felt the need to be around other tgirls - opposed to having been around college females for years (whom excepted her graciously might I add). The tgirls she started hanging with put negative thoughts in her head that she couldn't make it in the real world and before long, she had an eros add up and eventually lost focus of her job/goals for that lifestyle. This was a key example of a girl who "made it" and was dragged into the life just to fit in with others like her.

If you want to excel, you have to put yourself around people who have the same goals.

So what I'm saying is, there are a plethora of factors that may put girls into 24-7 escort mode.

1.) Some girls just decide they want to be escorts.

2.) Others may take escorting as a career because they don't want to work harder for a different lifestyle.

3.) Some girls will excel and may experience the crabs-in-the-barrel effect and loose focus.

4.) Some will try to excel and be shot down because they aren't passable or whatever to blend into the corporate workplace.

5.) Some will excel and the odds that most of us on this board will ever meet the ones that do and blend in, will be slim to none lol. Do you think you'd meet a Spellman alumni w/ a corporate job on the forums of BrownandRound.com?.....

I'm very long winded on these types of issues. There are girls out there that have entirely different perspectives/experiences of the world. If that's really what you want, we as men have to change our environment to obtain that....

.....but instructing a TS escort on how they should treat their career choices is futile, even though you have the best intentions and I think you do. I've did it for years.

I knew a supersmart girl (t) from Baltimore that moved to atlanta for college whose story is exactly like you mentioned. We might be talking about the same girl. When I say smart, I mean book smart out the ass. Fluent in 3 languages. Everything. Had a real job making decent money. Yet sadly, she felt the need to be around her "sisters" and do the same dumb stupid shit they are doing. SMH

[TurboMan]

that's True. The Problems I Explained Are About Our People As A Whole, Not Just The Transgendered Community. The Lesson Can Be Applied To All People, Not Just African American, But In This Instance We're Keeping It In Perspective To Where We Are Now -black-tgirls.com

That Message Is To The Guys And Gals. This Is How I See It:

ts Women: If You Have Problems Finding/keeping Good Men, You Have To Put Yourself Around People Or The Environments That Are Acceptable. Change Your Lifestyle, Get Out Of Escorting If You Want To Have A Meaningful Relationship For The Long Term. If All You Are Meeting Are Unemployed, Self Serving And/or Married Men.....i'd Assume Its Your Profession That Draws Them. I Am A Firm Believer That You Cannot Have Both. there Is Nothing Wrong With Choosing To Be An Escort Imo. There Is Something Wrong With Holding Others To A Double Standard While You Handle Your Business On The Side. You Can Turn It Off, Your Man Should Not Be Expected To. be Happy With What You Do And Stop Blaming Men For What You Lack In Life.

ts Admirers: Stop Trying To Make Hoes Into Housewives. Stop Telling These Girls You Want To Be With 'em Romantically, Then Bounce On Them Once You Get The Ass. You Can Get What You Want Without The Cloak And Dagger Moves. If She Has Eros Ads Up, Its Silly To Try To Tell Her How To Run Her Business Or To Take Her Out Of The Game. If She Wants To Get Out, She Doesn't Need You To Do It For Her. If She Could Be Managed, There Would Be Tranny Pimps Out There. My Advice To Men, Just Be More Upfront About What You Want And Be Realistic About What You Can Get Long Term.


These Are Just My Opinions, No One Has To Follow Them Per Se. I Just Think That If Both Ts And Admirers Were More Honest With Each Other, It Wouldnt Be So Hard To Date.

Hey Dirty....you Said A Mouth Full...true Dat!!