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02-01-2010, 07:15 PM #21Senior Member
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Originally Posted by seanchai
This is exactly the problem. The reason of the mentality of the black man in America is so basic and simple. What happens is that people, in an attempt to dodge the truth, try to complicate the simple issues. It's not that complex Seanchai. I am only speaking about the black race (my race). The reason that the black race feels the need to claim other races and not be proud of the fact that they are BLACK is because of the brainwashing techniques stemming from the slavery period. Again, I'm only speaking of Black people. Now, you can make it a complex issue all you want Seanchai, I'm not buying it. What you sound like is some college professor attempting to dilute the real truth by highlighting issues that most people have no knowledge of. The thing about it Seanchai is that your knowledge of history = dilutions, are completely irrelevant. I will humor you by touching on your "so called" lecture session of Asian distortions. True, European MEDIA had not yet arrived at that point, but the Europeans were conducting business with the Asians. This only means that the European influence was still prevelant. So, your argument about "the media hadn't reached their shores" is fiddle-faddle, a non-issue. I mean damn Seanchai, way back in those days, there was no media anywhere. LOL! Let's keep it real Seanchai. Let's not distort the real facts with your proclaimed knowledge of world history. It's really simpler than all of that nonsense.
Now, allow me to help you clarify the difference between a class issue and a race issue. One good example is the country of India. In India, all of those people in that country are considered INDIAN. So, regardless of whether they are dark complexioned or light complexioned, they are still Indian. They don't call themselves "black" or "white" Indians, therefore, the Indian population is defined by CLASS. Race is a non-topic in that counry. However, in this country, we separate ourselves into "black" and "white" Americans. We only refer to class as it relates to financial levels. Those who have money are considered upper class. Those without it are considered lower class. In India, Northern Indians tend to look down upon Southern Indians. Why? Because northern Indians tend to be light-skinned people and Southern Indians tend to be dark-skinned people ONLY due to Southern India being closer to the Equator than Northern India. So, their difference in skin tone has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with race mixing, such as African-Indian vs European-Indian. It's simply location and there is still discrimination towards the darker skinned Indian. That's terrible!! Now Seanchai, tell me why dark is always perceived negative and light is always perceived good? This same trend happens all over the world. Asians do it today! There was a story on CNN 3 or 4 weeks ago about a little black Japanese girl who is an entertainer in Japan, and the Japanese heckle her and say terrible things to her such as, "Get out of my country!" "You're not Japanese!" "We don't want your dark skin here!" Why is that Seanchai? Please, spare me on all of that historical garbage that you pulled out of left field in your previous post. Let's just keep it simple because it's a simple answer. Europeans have poisoned the entire world into believing that "white is good" and "black is bad". SIMPLE! Believe it or not. Take it or leave it. Call it what you want, but the truth is the truth. Leave your useless historical nonsense out of the discussion. What you sound like is a Professor who attempts to distort his students, which in most cases, are not as knowledgeable as the Professor anyway. This is exactly what's wrong with our country. We turn on the TV and listen to the politicians (experts) while they tell us lies. They know that most of us have no clue and will believe what they say. So they tell us anything. You can't just tell me anything Seanchai. Sorry.
With all due respect, Vid
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02-01-2010, 08:19 PM #22Senior Member
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Given: 1/1YES!!! Common practice. Pedophilia is definitely a practice and most commonly practiced in European societies. What has been brought to light recently in the Catholic religion has been going on for Centuries! I'm not aware of what's going on in Africa right now as it concerns children. I do, however, know about the current child pornography ring going on right now in this country. Originally Posted by seanchai
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02-01-2010, 08:37 PM #23All round Grooby Guy
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Originally Posted by vidman
Well let's face it, you've given me no respect whatsoever in that post and once proved what ridiculous assertions you can make, I'll respond in kind. This conversation wasn't about the black race but about escorts, you've twisted it into your own agenda, so it IS about more than just "your race" so get over it.
Let me remind me of what "I humoured" you with.
Did you even read why I stated Asians (and other countries) want to be "white" - it's not to be Caucasian or European, it's class. It was like that before Europeans reached those shores in any numbers and the Japanese still live by that, despite having no interest in European culture (in fact, looking down on most of it as low-class).
You can deny or look past it all your want but that's what it is, so quit with the psuedo-education, as your showing your lack of it (or at the least, lack of comprehension or objectiveness).
I've no idea what Indians have to do with it, or where you are getting your theories from (but I suspect it's pulled from your Black arse!
) Indian's do not look down on their own people solely because of colour but because of which caste they were born into, which although it's arguable doesn't constitute racism, is obviously prejudice based on which caste you happened to be born into.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India
Europeans did not "invent" dark being bad, and white being good to slander the Black race. Before Black people were even seen in Europe, Black was bad. Why? Because it's the colour of the night, when the people had to shelter from beasts, from weather. Because it's the winter, when the nights are long and dark and their superstitions wondered whether it would ever end and they would be able to grow crops again. White was good because it was the colour of the moon, which lit dark nights. It's the colour of the sun which helped their crops grow.
I don't have the answer as to why you think, "the black race feels the need to claim other races" maybe you want to look at the circle of people you hang out with, or maybe it's just because you feel superior to most and don't like the culture ... I don't know ... because in my experience with Black Americans, they all love being Black, they embrace it within their music, their clothes, their film and their food. I've came across more Whites wanting to be Black in the USA, then Blacks wanting to be White?
I'll tell you what, you would make a fantastic reglious orator, preaching rubbish to the converted as you make a half-way decent attempt at your conspiracies. It's a shame you can't base them in facts or simply deny any other points and make the whole lot just sound like rubbish.
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02-01-2010, 08:42 PM #24All round Grooby Guy
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Given: 635/8African men raping virgins (children) as they think it could cure them of HIV? Originally Posted by vidman
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8349788.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/wo...adagascar.html
http://www.hsrcpress.ac.za/product.php?productid=2038
Please show me your background reading which shows that pedophilia is "most commonly practiced in European societies" as I've never heard that and as far as I've known, it goes on all over the world.
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02-01-2010, 09:11 PM #25Senior Member
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Given: 1/1Pseudo education, Seanchai? LOL!!! As I said in previous posts, I'm no history major, but I do have a BS of Biology degree and currently in Pharmacy school. So my education may not be specialized in World History, but pseudo is definitely not the case. Originally Posted by seanchai
Well let's face it, you've given me no respect whatsoever in that post and once proved what ridiculous assertions you can make, I'll respond in kind. This conversation wasn't about the black race but about escorts, you've twisted it into your own agenda, so it IS about more than just "your race" so get over it.
Let me remind me of what "I humoured" you with.
Did you even read why I stated Asians (and other countries) want to be "white" - it's not to be Caucasian or European, it's class. It was like that before Europeans reached those shores in any numbers and the Japanese still live by that, despite having no interest in European culture (in fact, looking down on most of it as low-class).
You can deny or look past it all your want but that's what it is, so quit with the psuedo-education, as your showing your lack of it (or at the least, lack of comprehension or objectiveness).
I've no idea what Indians have to do with it, or where you are getting your theories from (but I suspect it's pulled from your Black arse!) Indian's do not look down on their own people solely because of colour but because of which caste they were born into, which although it's arguable doesn't constitute racism, is obviously prejudice based on which caste you happened to be born into.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India
Europeans did not "invent" dark being bad, and white being good to slander the Black race. Before Black people were even seen in Europe, Black was bad. Why? Because it's the colour of the night, when the people had to shelter from beasts, from weather. Because it's the winter, when the nights are long and dark and their superstitions wondered whether it would ever end and they would be able to grow crops again. White was good because it was the colour of the moon, which lit dark nights. It's the colour of the sun which helped their crops grow.
I don't have the answer as to why you think, "the black race feels the need to claim other races" maybe you want to look at the circle of people you hang out with, or maybe it's just because you feel superior to most and don't like the culture ... I don't know ... because in my experience with Black Americans, they all love being Black, they embrace it within their music, their clothes, their film and their food. I've came across more Whites wanting to be Black in the USA, then Blacks wanting to be White?
I'll tell you what, you would make a fantastic reglious orator, preaching rubbish to the converted as you make a half-way decent attempt at your conspiracies. It's a shame you can't base them in facts or simply deny any other points and make the whole lot just sound like rubbish.
I am VERY proud of my race. I have never wanted to be anything but black, but I will say that I'm not foolish enough place a label on people regardless of how many bad connotations that label represents.
Seanchai, I'm not really interested in your experiences with blacks because unless you've actually walked a mile in my shoes, you have no clue. I've had countless experiences with whites, good and bad, but I dare not pretend to have white people all figured out or any other race of people.
The simple question was: Why is that some transsexuals claim that they are mixed with something when they aren't? My answer was simply...because Blacks have been pre-conditioned into thinking that "black" isn't good. Now Seanchai, for WHATEVER reason this self-hatred has been instilled is up for argument. You have your opinion and I have mine, but the simple fact of the matter is that the perpetuation of self hate in the black community is a learned condition mainly instituted during the slavery and colonialism period by the European culture. Say what you want! I'm pretty sure about the little history I do know that relates directly to racism and it's origin in this country.
...and i definitely respect you Seanchai. Why wouldn't I. I respect your opinion and I'm not upset with you for it. We are having a healthy debate. Is that okay?
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02-01-2010, 09:16 PM #26All round Grooby Guy
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Given: 635/8Ok I'll apologise about the pseudo-education as obviously your not ill-educated. Originally Posted by vidman
You have no arguments from me on any of the above points you've just made. My point was, that it wasn't just transsexuals, or escorts, or blacks.
By the way, it IS a bit of a lame statement to try and play the "your experience with blacks because unless you've actually walked a mile in my shoes, you have no clue." as I'd never tried to assert that I was anything like you or know how you think or have experienced life, the same as I wouldn't for any other individual, regardless of age, class, race or sex. Coming out with that stuff, somewhat does weaken your argumentative or the discussion.
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02-01-2010, 09:25 PM #27Senior Member
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Given: 1/1Yeah, you're right. I guess, being human, I tend to get a little emotional during a debate. It's never good to wear your emotions on your sleeve. I do apologize as well. I have to remember that in your profession, you probably deal with all races of people and genders so you definitely have more experience than I do with varieties of people. I definitely respect your points-of-view. Originally Posted by seanchai
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02-01-2010, 10:16 PM #28Senior Member
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Given: 1/1The Cultural History of Pedophilia Originally Posted by seanchai
Despite the lack of statistics, other sources indicate that sexual relations between adults and children have always existed. Attitudes toward this have changed over the course of history, and these relations have been condemned since late antiquity. Despite this we can find examples of prominent figures, including Saint Augustine (354–430), Muhammad (570–632), and Gandhi (1869–1948), who publicly enjoyed the company of young children and may have had sexual relations with them.
In the strictly hierarchical society of classical Greece, sexual relations between an adult man and a boy were seen as contributing to the boy's education. In late antiquity this view was questioned by, among others, the poet Ovid and the philosopher Plutarch. They argued that such a relationship was not fulfilling for the adult, since the boy, due to his inferior social status, was not allowed to express his own desire. This devaluated the joy of his adult partner and so men were better served by having sexual relations with women.
With the rise of Christianity, approved sexuality came to be located within heterosexual marriage, with procreation as its sole purpose. This was reflected in medieval legislation that established minimum marriage ages and prohibitions against INCEST and homosexual relations. With the ENLIGHTENMENT and the French Revolution in the eighteenth century, morality was no longer the responsibility solely of the Church. The gatekeeper of public and private morals was to be the state, and nineteenth-century penal legislation built upon this base, adding sections on sexual offenses.
The penal code did not prevent adults from having sexual relations with children. The most severe sexual abuse can be detected in legal sources, from rape to sexually related child murder. Between 1830 and 1890, two-thirds of all documented sexual offenses in London had children as victims. Nineteenth-century institutional and educational sources show a less dramatic picture, with some ambiguity about the line between physical and sexual abuse of children by teachers or priests.
Discourse on the sexual abuse of children was renewed in France and England around 1850 as a result of the rise of the middle-class family, with its romantic concept of the child, as well as the establishment of the new scientific professions of psychiatry and forensic medicine. Two French physicians, Adolphe Toulmouche and Ambrose Tardieu, undertook the first forensic medical studies of child victims of sexual abuse.
But it was not until the publication of a series of articles entitled "The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon" in the British newspaper the Pall Mall Gazette in 1885 that sexual abuse of children became a topic for public discussion. The articles, written by the journalist W. T. Stead, dealt with CHILD PROSTITUTION. They had an enormous effect on a public that cultivated the image of the innocent girl-child as encountered in Alice in Wonderland and in the many contemporary photos and paintings of naked children. About a quarter of a million people marched in the streets of London demanding a higher AGE OF CONSENT for sexual acts. This
In 1996, a mass protest was held in Brussels, Belgium, in response to the perceived mishandling by the police of the Marc Dutroux case. Dutroux had abducted, sexually abused, and killed several young girls in the 1990s; his crimes went undetected for years, even though informants had warned the police of his activities a number of times. © .
demand was echoed all over the Western world, and at the outbreak of World War I the age of consent had been raised in most countries from ten or twelve to fifteen, sixteen, or eighteen.
The people responsible for bringing sexual child abuse to the public's attention were not physicians. Despite the occurrence of sexually transmitted VENEREAL DISEASES amongchildren, both at ORPHANAGES and in families, physicians tended to profess belief in the so-called innocent explanation: that the children had caught the diseases after sharing sheets, sponges, or towels. The physicians were motivated not only by fear of losing customers if they interfered in the domain of the family. The epidemiology of venereal diseases was not completely known. Furthermore, it was not yet possible in their society to speak about children and SEXUALITY within the context of the innocent child. To the nineteenth-century child savers, the subject could not be mentioned without evoking the image of the masturbating boy and the precocious working-class girl.
In this situation, the subject was left to the women's movement, the philanthropic societies, and individual child savers. Due to their work, a new image–that of the sexually innocent child who was easy prey for sexually depraved adult men–was introduced into the culture.
Even though children were considered sexually innocent, however, they were not always trusted in court. The skepticism facing the child witness was great, and it was supported by new scientific studies of child witnesses and by a Freudian understanding of children's sexuality. This new knowledge could also be used to acquit the child of bad intentions, since it framed childhood sexuality as by its very nature innocent.
The moral panic about sexual child abuse at the end of the nineteenth century was followed by a series of media panics during the twentieth century. With a foundation in sexology, forensic medicine, and EUGENICS, the image of the sexual psychopath dominated the discourse of the 1930s through 1950s. This interpretation was gradually replaced by psychoanalysis, the sexual revolution, and an understanding of and belief in resocializing sexual criminals. In the late 1960s the picture changed again with the development of the women's movement and movements concerned with the rights of various groups. This period climaxed with the first accusations against preschool teachers. Among the first cases was the McMartin Preschool in California. The case opened in 1983. Seventeen years later all the accused were acquitted.
During the 1970s through 1990s, revelations of the existence of child pornography as well as pedophile chat groups on the Internet, in addition to a series of sensational child murders in the United States and Europe, resulted in a new moral panic, which led to an insistence on stronger punishments for child sexual abuse and a demand for national registers of sexual offenders. The first world conference on sexual child abuse, held in Stockholm in the summer of 1996, supported these. In the United States, thirty-five states implemented the so-called MEGAN'S LAWS during the years 1994 through 1996. These laws contain a community notification provision. Forty-nine states have introduced state registers. In the early twenty-first century a reaction to what came to be seen as a witch-hunt against pedophiles became visible. It produced a growing awareness of the legal rights of the accused.
Here is the link to this article. http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Pa-Re/Pedophilia.html
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02-01-2010, 10:35 PM #29Senior Member
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Given: 1/1Here is another link. http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/06/20/...raphy-as-well/ Originally Posted by seanchai
I must say that even though the most Pedophilia seems to come from the Islamic nation, the European cultures have been known to be involved more in this action. I'm not saying that no one did this but the Europeans. What I'm saying is that these things have been known to come from the European nations more than other nations.
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02-01-2010, 10:49 PM #30All round Grooby Guy
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Given: 635/8Huh? I don't see anything in the above that relates to that whatsoever, it's pure theory on your part and frankly, highly offensive. Originally Posted by vidman
It's a cultural history, no a geographical history of the pedophilia. It goes on, in all races, in all nations, in all cultures - it's a load of crap until someone can provide clinical statistics from each race/country.
Really - as a scientist you present this as proof of your theory?
Did you even read the website that this rubbish came from:
http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/06/20/...raphy-as-well/
It's a right wing new agency designed to spread lies and mis-information, they also run the headlines ...
Blacks are the same everywhere: Haitians looting like in Louisiania during Katrina
Obama’s Naked Jewish Mother
Norway Pays heavy Price for Mass Third World Immigration: 90% of crimes committed by non-whites
US: Four Blacks kill One White man in front of familly for displaying Conferate Flag
C'mon, don't grasp at straws.
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