Do all T-Girls in general...

[bigdicki]

there are a few girls on this forum (who I am sure don't need to be named) that seem to have the same generalized negative attitude about many of their fans. But like Remy said certain life events can harden their disposition. Remember for every kind, positive "
admirer" or fan there is probably a couple dozen assholes.

Just because you feel shitted on doesn't mean you should shit on everybody else. That's the same lame excuse my boys from youth give for robbin', slangin' and bangin'.

[DYNACORD]

Well there are a few reasons that these girls get what we see as fucked up attitudes. Here is two reasons that happened yesterday and today here in the Detroit area. True stories to two of my friends.

Yesterday, client goes to girls house. They are in the bedroom messing around, no money collected yet. Client goes into bathroom. Climbs out the bathroom window, thru the Rose Bush, gets into his car and drives away. WTF? Get the money first no matter what.

Today, girl goes on outcall to North Western, really nice suburban townhouse. Gets to the door, ring ring ring no answer. Calls the dude on the phone and rings the bell again at the same time. Ring a ding ding! no answer but she sees the guy in the window. She drives away to her house 10 Miles away. Gets in the door and the guy sends her a text: I'm only 16, it's against the law and my MOM was upstairs. WTF? Bad news to retaliate on this one if it's true.

So with just two stories in two days, you can see why their skin is scorched towards clients in general. Some attitudes are worse than others though.

Answer this! Why in the fuck do guys waiste their time doing shit like that? Why would you want to be called back and be humiliated over the phone from a person you just fucked over or anything else?

LMAO! I was also told today from said girl, that a couple of guys have called for an outcall, be in the house, don't answer, and be jacking off in the window. WTF?

Insanity is alive and well!

[bigdicki]

Well there are a few reasons that these girls get what we see as fucked up attitudes. Here is two reasons that happened yesterday and today here in the Detroit area. True stories to two of my friends.

Yesterday, client goes to girls house. They are in the bedroom messing around, no money collected yet. Client goes into bathroom. Climbs out the bathroom window, thru the Rose Bush, gets into his car and drives away. WTF? Get the money first no matter what.

Today, girl goes on outcall to North Western, really nice suburban townhouse. Gets to the door, ring ring ring no answer. Calls the dude on the phone and rings the bell again at the same time. Ring a ding ding! no answer but she sees the guy in the window. She drives away to her house 10 Miles away. Gets in the door and the guy sends her a text: I'm only 16, it's against the law and my MOM was upstairs. WTF? Bad news to retaliate on this one if it's true.

So with just two stories in two days, you can see why their skin is scorched towards clients in general. Some attitudes are worse than others though.

Answer this! Why in the fuck do guys waiste their time doing shit like that? Why would you want to be called back and be humiliated over the phone from a person you just fucked over or anything else?

LMAO! I was also told today from said girl, that a couple of guys have called for an outcall, be in the house, don't answer, and be jacking off in the window. WTF?

Insanity is alive and well!

I am not coming to any bullshit dude's defense, but as always, there are 3 sides to every story: the girl's story, the dude's story and the truth which is typically somewhere in between. Regardless, like I said, being shit on by one person is no excuse to shit on everyone else.

[DYNACORD]

I am not coming to any bullshit dude's defense, but as always, there are 3 sides to every story: the girl's story, the dude's story and the truth which is typically somewhere in between. Regardless, like I said, being shit on by one person is no excuse to shit on everyone else.

I agree with that. Now these two girls don't make a habit out of downgrading all their cleints. I just thought I would share some stories that just now happened and tend to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

[Koanbred]

The problem here Remy757, is that most of us enjoy sex. Usually there are certain attributes about our mates that we find attractive that draws us towards them. At that point, they become sexual objects. Practically every "genuine" relationship involving sex, includes at least two individuals who mutually serve as sex objects. In general, the younger the individual, the more this tends to be true.

Also, I've found that most MTF/Boyfriend relationships don't last due to faulty assumptions about finances, psych-games, fraud, and money schemes. For example, the T-girl feels as though she has a man that will take care of her by both financially and psychologically supporting her, while building a strong romantic relationship. Meanwhile, the guy is usually thinking like so many guys think. The guy just wants to milk the cow for as long as he can and as cheaply as possible. He might make a small initial investment like a purchase of groceries, or perhaps payment of the month's rent or utilities. However, it usually will not recur in any substantial or predictive manner. The T-woman is looking for that rent and/or utilities to get paid on a regular basis. When it does not happen, the relationship begins to sour and yet another 2 month relationship is ending.

Sometimes, it's the convicted felon who finds it difficult to find legally gainful employment who decides to play upon T-girls. Their goal is to have a place to stay until they "get back on their feet". They therefore, play the role of the completely devoted mate, until they really do find legally gainful employment (which is rare), or they find a GG willing to do the same, or they find another T-girl willing to sacrifice more fringe benefits for the "privilege" of having a "man" in what would appear to be a "promising" relationship. However, many of these guys would prefer to be their pimps as opposed to being their lovers. Some even manage to create the pimp/prostitute relationship out of the seemingly "promising" and so-called, "romantic" relationship.

It would appear that in many relationships (including straight ones), everyone is either a somebody's pimp or somebody's hoe. It all depends upon the degrees of transparency, equality, and sharing involved in the relationship.

In general, most T-girls would fare better, if they were to set their goal upon an education more so than any man, or transitioning, or anything else in their youth. Once they've obtained an education and can become gainfully employed, they should then set out to transition and find honest playmates. Education and gainful employment comes far before transitioning, sex, or a relationship.

I feel as though I have seriously strayed off the topic, but that's ok!

Love,
Koanbred

[Ms Remy M]

Good points Bigdicki.

Koanbred, paragraphs 1-3 I agree with.

It would appear that in many relationships (including straight ones), everyone is either a somebody's pimp or somebody's hoe. It all depends upon the degrees of transparency, equality, and sharing involved in the relationship.

^ that one, not so much but I see what you are saying.

In general, most T-girls would fare better, if they were to set their goal upon an education more so than any man, or transitioning, or anything else in their youth. Once they've obtained an education and can become gainfully employed, they should then set out to transition and find honest playmates. Education and gainful employment comes far before transitioning, sex, or a relationship.

That may sound plausible for those who choose to transition for reasons other than truely wanting to live their life as a female. However; many genuine transexuals experince what is called Gender Identity Disorder (GID) or Gender Dysmorphia depending on the professional you are talking to. To deny them what essentially breaks down to their treatment (transitioning, hormones) is akin to saying a person diagonised as being Bi-Polar can't have their treatment until graduating college.

I do agree education and employment are very important and should be high on the list of goals instead of the after thought it appears to be to some, but that statement can easily be applied to other groups of people aside from transexuals as well.

You have brought up an interesting point though. The trend is going somewhat the opposite of what you suggest. Transexuals are starting their transition and hormone regiments at progressively younger ages, even before puberty in many cases. Some argue that, before puberty is too young to start such treatment or lifestyle as the child doesn't yet know who they are. On the other hand, the sooner the transition process is started, especially with regards to puberty, the better the results from meds and overall 'passability' later in life, which has direct benefits to a transexuals 'peace of mind' . The male bone structure and other physical attributes can be dramatically reduced with hormone regiments taken before or around puberty, but can't be reversed from these same hormone regiments after the male characteristics have developed, then surgery is the only option. Have you taken this into consideration?

[DYNACORD]

Good points Remy. I saw that he missed the fact that girls need to start hormones early because the effect is not a good one later on in years.

All TGirls aren't looking for a sugar daddy. That's a fact. Some are looking for a loving relationship. They exist in the TS world just like they do in the straight or gay world. Don't get it twisted. Granted there are some really fucked up ones in all worlds too. Just seems like we only talk about the TS ones. Because of the Site of course.

[Koanbred]

So when a heroin addict is deprived of heroin, I've seen them get the shakes, their eyes do weird things, and they get cramps everywhere.

When crack addicts are deprived of crack, they begin to look strange, they start nervously pacing back and forth, looking down on the ground and they begin to pick things up (hoping that they've struck gold and perhaps picked up a piece of crack).

So when a T-girl deprives herself of the proper gender expression via behavior, clothing, make-up, accessories, and the like, what internal feelings might she have and how would these feelings be made manifest externally, so that the observer can plainly see dysfunctionality.

I would think that there would be at the very least, a minimal amount of depression experienced.

[Dixie Normous]

I've seen them get the shakes, their eyes do weird things, and they get cramps everywhere.

Happens to me everytime I load 700+ pounds on the Olympic bar and lay under it!

[strollmodel]

So many things to follow up on and respond to...

First, and most trivial, I'm just now realizing that, tranny chaser is a derisive term coming from a t-girl. I mean I always was aware of the phrase's inherent honest crudeness but I'm starting to see here and there that it's indeed an insult. I blame the article in the link below (8th paragraph) for misleading me. (only slightly kidding)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/02/nyregion/thecity/02chase.html?_r=1

I'm not a linguist but it is a serious hobby/interest of mine:
It's becoming more and more accepted that to verbally reduce someone to their most distinguishing feature is rude if not insulting. For example, Jew is less respectful than jewish person; schizophrenic less than 'person suffering schizophrenia', and so on. I find that same rudeness in what we, both tgirls and admirers, do to each other.

I for some reason am able to avoid most of this contempt. As I try to come correct as possible, to treat them as much like girls as they are and as I see them.
On a date with a girl, especially a first one, I intend to impress. Frankly I haven't very much money to offer them, I must go on the contrast I draw between myself and other chasers. I make it clear how highly they are respected and admired without sacrificing my own self-respect.

I've witnessed a guy walk up to a very famous and pretty tg model in a bar here in NYC and ask her how big it was. She then tells another tg who was there what he said and they talk sharing their disgust for a moment.... I finally understood...
There are etiquette and manners in every community and they exist to make social interactions more respectful and positive for everyone involved. They probably just feel they deserve that respect like everyone else. I mean if I asked a GG what her bra size was out of nowhere, I'd probably get slapped.

I am not trying to justify the contempt we may sometimes receive, but imagine you were chased, coveted and paid to expose and offer access to your most personal and possibly undesired feature The original question mentioned that they should be grateful/happy for the attention. I think they do feel that, it just gets old...quick.

Remember you're not a tranny chaser; you're a person who happens to find the transgendered girl attractive sexually. They're probably just annoyed at the lack of consideration that being objectified reveals. Take out the personhood of anyones identity and they'll feel insulted.

Im not passing the buck by the way but this does have a great deal to do with low esteem levels.

Im currently dating a tgirl who's gorgeous, fun and makes me happy (not just physically). Ive been seen by other tgirls with her and its come to my attention that there's a lot of backbiting and undermining going on. This always happens with a ts girlfriend. Their friends fuck it up. The "I fucked your boyfriend thing" got me into trouble a bit on our first damn date. And it seems that many girls not as far along in progress are critical of her/us. Firsthand opinion: She's happy, Im happy and others are jealous....

Thank you all btw....kinda found this discussion awesome. Glad its not just me.