Curious about some Tgirls...

[Koanbred]

Hi Remy!

You know, it's a shame that these girls should have to be so dependent upon escorts, second, and third parties for the purchase of personal property.
This type of behavior simply reinforces their dependence upon sex-work and further alienates them from mainstream society. They therefore, become complacent about living along the margins of society. This is enabling their co-dependence on a marginal lifestyle.

Society is saying, we reject you, your lifestyle, and the weird dichotomous image that you project.

If society were a homeowner, it would say, "Ok, transgender people, into the basement you go. Everyone else can have free and clear access to where ever and whatever they want within the confines of this well-provided household, but you in the basement will have to scrape, beg, borrow, and barter for whatever needs you may require."

To this extent, transgenders take on the "basement" mentality. Yes! They choose their own paths, but these paths are chosen within the confines of the basement. So there you go transgender, choose your path. You just have to choose in it down here in this god-for-saken, dirty, unpaved, damp, and cold basement. As for the rest of us, we'll continue to live upstairs, with our carefree lifestyles, where its warm with plush beds and bedding, jacuzzis, refrigerators filled with the best of foods, and easy access to healthcare. Things, that would be unheard of and rare in basement living.

So the transgenders attempt to live a normal life, but they can't because the people upstairs, constantly remind them that they're different, they're "basement" people, and have therefore, been barred. Some of the "basement" people have been fortunate enough to have made allies and have form allegiances with the "upstairs" people and they manage to sneak into the upstairs living quarters. Though they have successfully escaped to the "upstairs", they still will have many more battles to maintain their "upstairs" status, the war will not be over.However, the majority know better. They know that the path in the basement will encounter much less resistance than the tumultuous path upstairs. They therefore, follow the path of least resistance and end up where they are expected to be all along, in the basement.

This is their fate, in the basement. There, life gives them fewer healthy options. They didn't 'really' choose to live there!

[DYNACORD]

I second what Surfer said.
I have known as many girls as anyone and I feel safe to say that 8 out of 10 couldn't hold a real job for more than 90 day's. If you do happen to graduate from High School, and you're lost in space, how are you going to get by, day to day? Most don't have anything close to a skill. I love it when some of the ladies I know ask me if they can work for me or if I know anyone looking to hire. It's sad, because I may like these lady friends, but I can't recommend them to anyone because they don't know how to do anything.
If you haven't held a frigging job or a drivers license for over 7 years, how can you fill out an app and explain your lack of job history? What are you going to say? I've been really busy. WTF! Good luck with that.

Lazy! and More Lazy! Fast money is right. But, the money is not there like it used to be. Ask any girl you know.
I personally don't know any girls with a good job who still want to escort. The ones I know who have found a good job, did so in order to stop escorting. But you know it takes all kinds of folks.

Bottom line, if you want to do something specific you will work towards that goal. If you don't have a desire to do something with your life, then you just ESCORT and hope you can dupe some guy into giving you the world.

Note: Don't get me wrong, this is not every girl. Just a hell of a lot.

[Ms Remy M]

Hi Remy!

You know, it's a shame that these girls should have to be so dependent upon escorts, second, and third parties for the purchase of personal property.
This type of behavior simply reinforces their dependence upon sex-work and further alienates them from mainstream society. They therefore, become complacent about living along the margins of society. This is enabling their co-dependence on a marginal lifestyle.

I'm sorry Koanbred, perhaps I should have explained better. Escorts (at least the ones I know personally) are not dependant on the clients to achieve what they want so much as the gifts are perk benefits of their profession. I know more than a few that proudly buy their own cars and jewerly and such and absolutely refuse to be held at the whims of their clients for such gifts.

Society is saying, we reject you, your lifestyle, and the weird dichotomous image that you project.

If society were a homeowner, it would say, "Ok, transgender people, into the basement you go. Everyone else can have free and clear access to where ever and whatever they want within the confines of this well-provided household, but you in the basement will have to scrape, beg, borrow, and barter for whatever needs you may require."

To this extent, transgenders take on the "basement" mentality. Yes! They choose their own paths, but these paths are chosen within the confines of the basement. So there you go transgender, choose your path. You just have to choose in it down here in this god-for-saken, dirty, unpaved, damp, and cold basement. As for the rest of us, we'll continue to live upstairs, with our carefree lifestyles, where its warm with plush beds and bedding, jacuzzis, refrigerators filled with the best of foods, and easy access to healthcare. Things, that would be unheard of and rare in basement living.

So the transgenders attempt to live a normal life, but they can't because the people upstairs, constantly remind them that they're different, they're "basement" people, and have therefore, been barred. Some of the "basement" people have been fortunate enough to have made allies and have form allegiances with the "upstairs" people and they manage to sneak into the upstairs living quarters. Though they have successfully escaped to the "upstairs", they still will have many more battles to maintain their "upstairs" status, the war will not be over.However, the majority know better. They know that the path in the basement will encounter much less resistance than the tumultuous path upstairs. They therefore, follow the path of least resistance and end up where they are expected to be all along, in the basement.

This is their fate, in the basement. There, life gives them fewer healthy options. They didn't 'really' choose to live there!

Sadly in America there are always a group of people being marginalized, but with continued positive exposure in popular media Tgirls are gaining more general acceptance. I hardly feel tgirls are the basement dwellers you are making them out to be. Yeah there are many that fall into the typical stereotypes, but many choose to rise above the ruts of life.

[Koanbred]

http://www.angelfire.com/on/otherwise/epidemic.html

In order to achieve a higher status in life, these girls need an education either in the liberal arts or perhaps vocational training. They quite obviously can't live prosperous lives with "basement" mentalities. Their low economic status is always going to dictate unsavory and unfortunate outcomes.

[top_dawg]

You know what, transgender woman are no different then anyone else.
Some people with good jobs still live check to check.
I sure after the 'girls' with good jobs spend all their money, they put those high heels on and hit the streets or place ads on backpages.
I see 'girls' with nice cars all time on the stroll.
I would hope they would save their money for a better future.

[Koanbred]

Yeah, you're right Top_Dawg!

The thing is, most members of the transgender community live below the poverty level. No amount of savings is going to help them when their strolling and modeling days are over. Of course, there is always the exception to the rule. However, that's just exactly what they are, exceptions!

[Ms Remy M]

Yeah, you're right Top_Dawg!

The thing is, most members of the transgender community live below the poverty level. No amount of savings is going to help them when their strolling and modeling days are over. Of course, there is always the exception to the rule. However, that's just exactly what they are, exceptions!

next time you pay a visit to the stroll ask the genetic females, or a genetic model doing porn how things are going, the stories don't vary too much.

[Koanbred]

Yeah Remy! That's true for the porn Tgirls while they're performing, but what about when their entertainment days are over. Just what is the average amount of time that tgirls remain in the adult entertainment industry, anyway?

There are certain to be pro's and con's about the industry that may influence the model's decision to remain active as a model.

Most members of the T community are not trying to beat a path into adult entertainment for a multiplicity of reasons. They therefore, have even fewer options for employment. Society is going to resist them at just about every juncture in their transgendered lives. It all starts when they exit their homes (some live in their homes with stress from family members). When they catch the bus, there will be looks and side comments of disapproval. Cab drivers may stop, but realize what they are and then suddenly drive off. In San Francisco, bus drivers have been known to openly and publicly insult transgender passengers.

Applying for a job for most people seems to be an improbability these days. However, for the transgendered, it's almost impossible to find gainful employment within the mainstream of society.

The transgendered continue to be targets of bashings, physical assaults, and murder.

They have a long way to go, indeed...

[Ms Remy M]

Yeah Remy! That's true for the porn Tgirls while they're performing, but what about when their entertainment days are over. Just what is the average amount of time that tgirls remain in the adult entertainment industry, anyway?

Good question, I really don't know. I imagine it varies based on whether a girl is just trying porn out to see if they have what it takes, and those that actively pursue a career in this industry.

There are certain to be pro's and con's about the industry that may influence the model's decision to remain active as a model.

Most members of the T community are not trying to beat a path into adult entertainment for a multiplicity of reasons. They therefore, have even fewer options for employment. Society is going to resist them at just about every juncture in their transgendered lives. It all starts when they exit their homes (some live in their homes with stress from family members). When they catch the bus, there will be looks and side comments of disapproval. Cab drivers may stop, but realize what they are and then suddenly drive off. In San Francisco, bus drivers have been known to openly and publicly insult transgender passengers.

This is true, but not specific to the trans community at all. Many other groups of people (blacks, immigrants from south of the border) also have to deal with the same injustices. I can personally agree with the stress from family members bit though, which many times is the biggest blow of all, being rejected by your own blood.

The transgendered continue to be targets of bashings, physical assaults, and murder.

They have a long way to go, indeed...

This is also true and a real problem, I don't condone violence at all. I would like to add based on my experince as someone who use to actually hang with the girls on the stroll and not just ride by anonymously, that many of the tgirls brought the physical assaults on themselves (not that I condone the actions), tricking dates into thinking they were females, stealing money, and using a stroll in front of bad neighborhoods where the 'thuggish' residents would easily take action against the tg's being on their turf are just a few examples. What you may read in the news reports doesn't always reflect the full story. I've personally witnessed many tgirls instigate an altercation in a variety of ways. Instead of just walking away when trouble was coming they would bicker and talk smack to these 'thugs' and even loudly proclaim that the 'thugs' themselves were also customers (lol many were). In a bout of anger the thugs would then act out their rage, as a show for their friends watching, or whatever dumb reason they came up with to act out in violence. I was always perplexed why the girls would continue to instigate these problems with the 'thugs' and/or clients. If you disturb a snake it should only be natural for the snake to react by lashing out with a venom filled attack.

I would obviously like to see all forms of aggresion toward the LGBT community come to an end, and it is an on going battle. There is change needed both within the trans community (which is prone to bickering and animosity amongst themselves) as well as society as a whole.