relationships

[DirtySouth]

One thing is for sure, the dynamics between TG and men is very different, on average, than the dynamic between GG and men (GG = genetic women). GG have their problems with men, but the TG problems are in a whole different league: not being taken seriously, being treated as a sex object, being a secret fetish, you name it.

I think a major difference is the lack of ability to have children. Now, a lot of guys aren't thinking about "reproduction", they're just thinking of getting their dick wet. But even the most mindless horndog is driven by his instincts, much like the behavior of a simple insect is driven by instinct.

Women use more energy for reproduction (gestation, child-rearing), so they are more circumspect; for men a tiny investment in energy may suffice -- hit and run -- but the women tend to demand as part of the deal that men invest far more energy (marriage, long-term support, respect). Typically this dynamic does not exist between men and TG, and it distorts things. Combine that with the disapproval of society and you have a tough situation. Not sure what to do about it ...

Well said brother. Its hard not to treat a girl like a sex object when 95% of them are escorts. When it comes to relationships, I tell some of my closest t-girl friends that they will see a huge difference in the men that they attract if they stop escorting. Most just ignore me and would rather make a man conform to dating an escort rather than to take responsibility to change their lifestyle on their own. Some girls just cant give up the fast money. I don't knock them for that. I just have a problem when the girls throw the double standard on a man thats sincere about dating them.

On the other hand, lots of gay couples form stable long-term relationships based on love and mutual respect, so it's impossible to make universal generalizations, and yes anything can happen.

When you have a gay couple, you have two people that are entirely attracted to each other and have ignored the issue of reproduction and will take the road to adoption if need be. A str8 male who dabbles in trannies and a tranny herself are usually at odds about that /and in most relationships, its the deal breaker. A guy wanting to be with a tranny is still a guy who leans towards being with a woman. He's going to be constantly reminded of his instincts to have children. Its like having a Ferrari with a Honda Civic engine. Yeah it looks like a Ferrari but when you go to hit the throttle, youre reminded of what it really is. Also, a lot of t-girls want to be submissive in responsibilites (the feminine emotions) to the household but want to be dominant in calling the shots (masculine instincts) and this usually can become a problem when dealing with a respectable man. Yes, the same can be said about GGs. Just more rampant per ratio with the Ts in my experience.

[MrF]

Some good points, DS, and I agree with you.

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice? Ultimately people must take responsibility for their own actions, assuming they are performed under free will. I know if I was a TG I could not bear to do escorting -- not because of a moral hangup -- but because I'd find it disgusting to have to service the unwashed masses of humanity. Stand in line at Walmart sometime and imagine having sex with the random people you see ... yuck !

Anyway, the topic brings up other questions, like what is the origin of homosexuality and of transexuality, and are these normal ? (Short answer to the latter: yes !) I have ideas about these too, but I've already pooped too much on this thread.

[Ms Remy M]

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice?

In most situations, they put themselves in that 'sex object' situation by working the stroll or now the internet, so that they can easily fund their transition. I've met precious few who ONLY started escorting because that's how they were treated from the start. Tg's being treated like 'sex objects' is exacerbated even more by the gay 'guys' who simply dress up as girls for the easy money or easy sex with str8 guys.

Anyway, the topic brings up other questions, like what is the origin of homosexuality and of transexuality, and are these normal ? (Short answer to the latter: yes !) I have ideas about these too, but I've already pooped too much on this thread.

Homosexuality and transexuality has existed since the beginning of civilization. In Egypt and Asia there were Eunuchs and the Roman Empire's history is rife with tales of homosexuality. Not being a History buff, I'm sure someone can find specific examples dating back even further.

[junintoiro]

Damm lot of replies, thanx guess it might be harder than I anticipated. Not into the escort/pay scene, while I've had more than my share of one-stands(hetro) I'd rather have someone to chill with, not running a meter while thinking bout next appt.

[DirtySouth]

Damm lot of replies, thanx guess it might be harder than I anticipated. Not into the escort/pay scene, while I've had more than my share of one-stands(hetro) I'd rather have someone to chill with, not running a meter while thinking bout next appt.

Even if youre in a relationship with a T-girl escort, that meter is still going to be running. All too many times have I heard stories, and experienced, getting booted out for a client coming through. lol....try finding a girl who doesnt escort. That will be your best bet and most likely a more fulfilling relationship. I knew one at one point and she was a great gal.

[DirtySouth]

Some good points, DS, and I agree with you.

From escorts I've heard or read several times the astonishing rationalization: "Well, if men are going to treat me like a sex object and not take me seriously, I might as well charge them for sex." So there's possibly a chicken-and-egg dilemma here -- do men force them to do it, or is entirely their choice? Ultimately people must take responsibility for their own actions, assuming they are performed under free will. I know if I was a TG I could not bear to do escorting -- not because of a moral hangup -- but because I'd find it disgusting to have to service the unwashed masses of humanity. Stand in line at Walmart sometime and imagine having sex with the random people you see ... yuck !

Have you ever seen a tranny with a pimp? No. I have never seen any pimps in this game. How bout females? Yes, pimps are everywhere. So its safe to say a lot of females are forced into prostitution and a small minority actually choose that path or stay with it. T-girls are much different. They feel like they are forced into it because society doesn't accept them. Partially true, but thats still a choice. Many choose to make a career out of it even after a successful transition. Bottom line - they choose that life, nobody is forcing them.

[MrF]

DS, I think we misunderstood each other. When I said "forced" I meant that men generally don't give them an alternative way of relating to them. And if if that's not universally true a lot of times they get conditioned by the majority of men who treat them that way.

Let me add quickly that I, and perhaps you, may be biased by my limited experience and perspective, e.g. your estimate that "95% are escorts" may be way too high (but we've already discussed it). So, I could easily be wrong.

Interesting point about pimps. I always figured TGirls were tougher (having started out as guys), so didn't need pimps, plus they often work in teams like the way 2 or 3 operate a hotel room. If a client causes trouble they kick his ass.

Anyway, you are right that ultimately we are responsible for our own free choices.

[DirtySouth]

DS, I think we misunderstood each other. When I said "forced" I meant that men generally don't give them an alternative way of relating to them. And if if that's not universally true a lot of times they get conditioned by the majority of men who treat them that way.

Good point, but I dont think that works. Females are treated as sex objects during most of their lives, that doesnt give them cause to sell their bodies. Thats a double standard.

Let me add quickly that I, and perhaps you, may be biased by my limited experience and perspective, e.g. your estimate that "95% are escorts" may be way too high (but we've already discussed it). So, I could easily be wrong.

Maybe youre right.....but seeing how most of us agree, if not all, is it really being biased? I think Im just being realistic and you may still think optimistic. I love some of these gals and some of my models are great to me....but I know what it is at the end of the day. I'm talking about what I have consistenly seen for almost 10 years in my personal life and 2 years in the business. I think my percentages are right.....well, maybe lets say 92%. I stand by my theory and Ive been waiting 9+ years to be proven wrong.

Interesting point about pimps. I always figured TGirls were tougher (having started out as guys), so didn't need pimps, plus they often work in teams like the way 2 or 3 operate a hotel room. If a client causes trouble they kick his ass.

Trust me, most of these girls need pimps. Some of them would be better off with them....yeah I said it.......I havent seen too many work together for long. The ones who are sitting 2 or 3 in a hotel room are NOT the money makers. When one starts to make the bread, they seperate themselves. The ones who make money, make money on their own, travel on their own, etc. The broke ones are the ones running their business out of a hotel room with 2 other trannies in the next bed and some boyfriend in the corner smoking a black and mild. You want the one who has the room to herself or is living alone. Thats the real deal tranny escort right there and you will get your $ worth.

I'm just playing devil's advocate though.

[TSSexyChanel]

Have you ever seen a tranny with a pimp? No. I have never seen any pimps in this game. How bout females? Yes, pimps are everywhere. So its safe to say a lot of females are forced into prostitution and a small minority actually choose that path or stay with it. T-girls are much different. They feel like they are forced into it because society doesn't accept them. Partially true, but thats still a choice. Many choose to make a career out of it even after a successful transition. Bottom line - they choose that life, nobody is forcing them.

Pimping is not always a forced game pimps play on the mind of the weak and needy and sad but true there are many transexual pimps they are called "boyfriends" the name is different but the games the same if we living off what I make lying on my back you are not my man you are a pimp. I know many girls in this situation and it hurts my heart for them to think its love when I see it as someone going for a free ride.

Pimps transexual or female dont provide security even girls with pimps work in groups for protection. Pimps sole purpose is to spend a girl cash and make her think she got something when she has nothing. Pimps are to girls and trannies what clients are to the escorts sponsors but at least a client knows what it is and what he is getting. Girls with pimps find they get nothing in the end its a one sided relationship and you always on the loosing end.

[DrDickenstein]

Pimping is not always a forced game pimps play on the mind of the weak and needy and sad but true there are many transexual pimps they are called "boyfriends" the name is different but the games the same if we living off what I make lying on my back you are not my man you are a pimp. I know many girls in this situation and it hurts my heart for them to think its love when I see it as someone going for a free ride.

Pimps transexual or female dont provide security even girls with pimps work in groups for protection. Pimps sole purpose is to spend a girl cash and make her think she got something when she has nothing. Pimps are to girls and trannies what clients are to the escorts sponsors but at least a client knows what it is and what he is getting. Girls with pimps find they get nothing in the end its a one sided relationship and you always on the loosing end.

The Hot T-Babe with a Brain! has spoken. Thanks for the excellent insight Sexi Chanel. Proceeding to your blogspot to pick up some more insight and etc...