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    Quote Originally Posted by lament View Post

    I myself do not consider sex with a ts to me heterosexual, based purely on the scientific definition of sex, which has to do with genetics, not gender roles. You are male, the ts is genetically male, so the sex is technically homosexual, although the gender roles are not the same are typical homosexual sex.
    Deductive Reasoning or Deductive Logic is evaluated in terms of it's validity and soundness.

    Example:
    1. M2F Transsexuals are all born as males.
    2. Males who have sex with other males are known as homosexuals.
    3. Therefore, Males who have sex with Transsexuals are homosexual.

    Another example would be:
    1. If love blind and God is love.
    2. And Ray Charles is blind.
    3. Then it's safe to say that Ray Charles is God.

    Both of these arguments are valid but not sound since it's obvious that Ray Charles is not God. And deeming a man who has sex with Transsexual a homosexual while leaving out all the valid information regarding TS females like the "Sex Change Gene" recently discovered by Melbourne Scientist which caused male embryos to develop female characteristics for instance, just because she was born male, makes this deductive argument an unfair and unsound assessment due to the limited amount of factors.

    And since the study of transsexualism is still and open book with research that has barely scratched the surface. I'll continue regard it in the grey area and not the gay one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onone View Post
    You need to come up with a more cogent article than that to support your "fact." That article you posted is an ADMITTED generalization that women with high IQs give better sex, based upon a study detailing that women with higher emotional intelligence give better sex. So there was no direct study of anyone doing anything homosexual or a study of anyone's overall IQ. That article didn't even cite the "study" it used. The person who wrote that article used "generalization" incorrectly. That person did was make a completely unscientific assumption.
    My initial source material came from a Comcast On Demand link from either the Learning Channel or Discovery Channel. So if you've got cable, see if it's still there or just Google the subject like I just did.

    At this point though it just seems like you're grasping at straws. Even if that comment was ruled as inconclusive it still would hinder my overall stance on the initial issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy24 View Post
    Deductive Reasoning or Deductive Logic is evaluated in terms of it's validity and soundness.

    Example:
    1. M2F Transsexuals are all born as males.
    2. Males who have sex with other males are known as homosexuals.
    3. Therefore, Males who have sex with Transsexuals are homosexual.

    Another example would be:
    1. If love blind and God is love.
    2. And Ray Charles is blind.
    3. Then it's safe to say that Ray Charles is God.

    Both of these arguments are valid but not sound since it's obvious that Ray Charles is not God. And deeming a man who has sex with Transsexual a homosexual while leaving out all the valid information regarding TS females like the "Sex Change Gene" recently discovered by Melbourne Scientist which caused male embryos to develop female characteristics for instance, just because she was born male, makes this deductive argument an unfair and unsound assessment due to the limited amount of factors.

    And since the study of transsexualism is still and open book with research that has barely scratched the surface. I'll continue regard it in the grey area and not the gay one.
    your deductive logic comparison is not a valid comparison at all. The first 3 is a logical line of thinking and is valid. Like "If all boxes are cubes, and i just picked up a box, then that box is a cube." It would be a false assumption to say that "if i picked up a cube, then it is a box." Because all boxes are defined to be cubes, but it is not necessarily true that all cubes are boxes.

    That's the sort of reasoning you have in the second logical sequence.

    1) since love is blind and god is love, then god is blind
    2)Ray charles is blind
    3)it is false to assume ray charles is god simply because he is blind. being blind is a requirement of being god, but not a guarantee that one is god. God is blind, but there are things that are blind that are NOT god. By comparison, there are NOT things that are God without being blind. You could say "I am not blind so I am not God," and that would be logical.

    It is a scientific fact that M2F transsexuals are genetic males. There are probably genetic factors that influence them to become transsexuals, but that does not change the scientific definition of what a male is. Science has agreed on the "XY sex-determination system," google it and read the wiki page. Basically, if you have xx sex chromosomes, you are female. If you have xy chromosomes, you are male. M2F transsexuals are defined as males, and men who have sex with them are, based on the definition of the terms involved, engaging in homosexual sex.

    However, as I said, this is based on the scientific and technical definitions of the terms. These definitions are arbitrary social constructs. They are relative, and you can use your own system to define what your actions for yourself.

    Me personally, as a student of science, I like to use general definitions that match mainstream definitions. Language is a tool for people to communicate, and it makes sense that everyone speak the same language. Technically, fucking transsexuals is homosexual. But the key is to not worry about terms and labels, and understand that although genetically male, transsexuals (the hot ones at least) have much more in common with females than males, and that grouping them in with men is based on arbitrary social constructs and definitions of sex, and that humans with xx sex chromosomes don't have a lease on femininity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittymatthews View Post
    Look, you guys are bottoms and so am I. Why you think we'd be compatible is beyond me. There are plenty of Tgirls who are tops that want praise and love for their cock I'm just not one of them. And as I said, unless you're giving me money I'm not gonna pretend to be into it.


    None of you guys will convince me to change my mind. I am a very informed person when it concerns my own sexuality and gender identity. You all keep saying you're not asking me to change, so why is this a discussion?
    Well Damn.. Kitty you can spot them bottom boys by a country mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittymatthews View Post
    lol. Cosmic, i'm not going to go even humor that. For a guy who isn't interested in turning me on you sure do like my cock and you sure do like talking to me a lot.


    Wow, what is it with men? You turn them down or express its not what you're into and all the sudden it's "omg, well you're ugly" or "well i dont care".

    Ugh. God, the state of men. This thread is about my sexy videos and my webcam shows. So if you're not attracted to me, excuse yourself from the thread and do not contact me again.

    Thanks.
    I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

    I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicTraveler View Post
    I said you had a cute penis, because I thought it was cute how the skin wrapped around it. Would I play with it? Sure, but in expressing what I said it certainly wasn't my intention to move things with you in that direction. You're not only across the country, you are, like myself, a bottom. So what would be the point?

    I liked talking to you because we had common interests. Seeing as how I haven't insulted you at all, the things you're saying are unwarranted and misguided. But if you would like me not to contact you again, I will respect that. I hope the porn thing goes well for you.
    I am not pursuing a career in porn.

    The only way i will ever be in porn is a last desperate resort. Webcam Modeling is very different. Similar, but different. You obviously dont know a lot about me if you think i even gave thought to pursuing a carrer in porn.


    I'd rather you not talk to me. I'm being real and you're trying to act like you didn't hit on me. I dont have patience for bs. I respect your sexual taste, but i think if you can express yours i can express mine and neither of us should take that personally.




    Now, i'd like to mention, i've always said hetero normative and not heterosexual. QUITE different if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lament View Post
    And herein lies the issue. You have associated the penis as purely a masculine organ, whereas guys who like ts cock do not. To us, it is not unlike the other parts of the woman that we like. Ass, tits, etc. The dick is seen as part of this combo, a part that genetic women do not have. When one stops looking at the penis as a male sex organ and more as an androgynous sexual accessory, liking cock is not liking men, it's just liking cock. If natural females were born with this organ, men would love it because it is a very sexual organ.

    I can only speak for myself in saying this, but I'd bet most guys into ts agree that the penis is simply a more intriguing organ than the vagina. Especially since men are visual creatures, and the vagina is a flat surface that doesn't do anything visually stimulating, whereas the penis does.



    You view your penis as the one masculine trait you have, and as you want to be as feminine as possible, you resent your penis for this reason. You also resent men who like the thing that you resent. There is a disconnect when you say that you are feminine but your sex organ is not.
    No.

    The penis itself is the most male of any single part of anyone's body. nothing is more masculine than a penis. Nothing. Period. Perhaps you have started to see it as anything but, but at the end of the day, a penis is a phallus and a phallus is constructed for penetration and penetration is a male action.

    As a student of science you should understand why i feel this way. I'm stubborn in my feelings towards bottoms and that will never change. I DO view my penis as feminine, but I view a man's desire for a penis to be the pursuit of a phallus, which is, in my opinion, inherently female

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboMan View Post
    Well Damn.. Kitty you can spot them bottom boys by a country mile.
    it's easy to spot a bottom.

    I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittymatthews View Post
    it's easy to spot a bottom.

    I dont think a single man who posts on this board (aside from daryl washington) prefers to top. I think you all love tranny cock, which is totally fine, just not my bag. I think if you walk up to a trans attracted man you've got a 70/30 chance that they're pussy bottoms in the bedroom.
    I can only speak for myself I am full top never bottomed never will.. BD, Surfer, Tman, Great1, and Seanchai have stated from previous threads are all tops..

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    maybe that's why i like them all so much.

    Hit my cervix kali.

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