sooooooo they caught osama

[Sasha]

i think sasha was originally trying to draw comparison with the conspiracy that osama was/is made up by the media and native amercians. A rather crazy comparison i know but thats what i was getting from her posts.

I know there are a few conspiracists that believe osama was made up by western media to give reason for the war on terror which, incorporates various other conspiracies including (but not limited to) 9/11 being government orchestrated. I think that in support of these conspiracies sasha linked this to european settlers mistreatment of native americans in the 1600s and suggests that this hate of native amercians might still be prevelant so we should expect (as a joke) a new terrorist to surface who is native american. I came to this conclusion as sasha referred to chrisopher columbus when talking about 'indians'.

Anyway...

I'm still not really sure what to think about the whole osama incident and am still reserving full judgement. Now to make my stance clear i believe osama was a real person and the head of al queda. I'm still not sure if he was killed on sunday but he may have been dead for some time. I don't believe he is still alive as making up the raid and killing completely would be preposterous.
I personally think he could have been dead for some time firstly due to the timing of the killing (in line with re-elections) and also due to the reluctancy to release photographic or video evidence. I believe reuters has already annonouced that photo's where taken at the scene and video was shot of osama's burial at sea. The whitehouse have said these have not been released due to possible retaliation from al queda and the taliban based on the graphic appearence of osama post mortem. This all makes logical sense at first glance but when compared to saddam hussien's execution being recorded and posted online within hours back in 2006 it seems unlikely that the us government would be so reluctant to show the world their accomplishment.

I'm am still undecided however due to firstly the government being a different one from 2006 and also due to obama's run in office. As i am not a us citizen i seldom follow obama but i have come to the conclusion that his intentions are generally good compared to past presidents. He may not have worked the miracles expected of him before entering office but his determination behind universal healthcare alone leaves a good impression with me so him dishonestly announcing osama's death would be out of character for me.

There is another think that i have found worrying though. Despite the obvious worry of retaliation from al queda and similar jihadi groups there seems to be a rather harsh undertone from us goverment spokespeople when referring to pakistan. Over the last 10 years the us and uk in my opinion have worked hard to form alliances with pakistan but i have seen over the last few days various comments suggesting distrust of the pakistani government. As their government is military based and the head of state was not elected through democratic voting there should be more cause for concern with how volatile this government could be. I'm sure the last thing the us want is to loose an ally in the middle east and potentially gain an enemy.

On a final note in reply to bigdicki, although i believe obama was born in hawaii your comment on kenya not existing in 1961 is incorrect. In 1961 kenya was colonial kenya i.e. It was part of the british empire and that had been since 1890 when the british empire took kenya from germany.

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[twowaybro]

Holy shit... I was reading info on the unfolding details and thinking "I bet some of these crazy muthafuckas on BTG's form are saying it's fake... despite the fact that it would help the first Black President.

If said president is involved in the continuation and propagation of what many consider to be a geopolitical ruse i.e. "war on terror", that has unjustly caused the death of millions worldwide in an effort to secure hydrocarbon resources then why should one care what his ethnicity is. The fact that he is bi-racial/black means nothing especially if he is practicing deceit. It is highly suspicious, to say the least, that a man who is accused of heinous crimes worldwide and is wanted by several nations is captured and killed and then "conveniently" buried at sea all in a 24 hour period before any international or independent verification can be made. Sounds preposterous, at least to me.

No doubt there have been real conspiracies in the US government, but none of what you said is plausible.

See "Crossing The Rubicon" by Mike Ruppert for an excellent and well reviewed expose on the plausibility and probability that a major conspiracy was indeed carried out in September of 2001 that has led us into numerous resource wars(Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa) during the last ten years and most likely into the foreseeable future(Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Nigeria and Venezuela). President Obama, sadly it seems, has been passed the baton and is continuing this neo-con, PNAC agenda.

[Ms Remy M]

Firstly, I think it's good that we are able to converse on things outside of porn every once and awhile. The constant and ever present bombardment of sexual images numbs us to the things that really matter.

I certainly like to follow the conspiracy theories, but I rarely blindly believe in them, pretty much the same with some of the 'news' from the US news outlets. It all seems like American propaganda to me. Glad Bin Laden has been taken down, but would have preferred to see him arrested. Posting images of his dead body would likely only cause more threats of violence to Americans on our home turf, so I hope they don't.

I did 'get' the joke Sasha was making without further explanation. I will add, Indians are from India though, Native Americans are who discovered America. Change the school books already, Christopher Columbus could not have discovered somewhere people were already living. Otherwise, I'm going to 'discover' someone's mansion and claim it for myself

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[CosmicTraveler]

I've been thinking of colonizing the houses of a few rappers myself. - ___-

[blkgsxr]

Firstly, I think it's good that we are able to converse on things outside of porn every once and awhile. The constant and ever present bombardment of sexual images numbs us to the things that really matter.

I certainly like to follow the conspiracy theories, but I rarely blindly believe in them, pretty much the same with some of the 'news' from the US news outlets. It all seems like American propaganda to me. Glad Bin Laden has been taken down, but would have preferred to see him arrested. Posting images of his dead body would likely only cause more threats of violence to Americans on our home turf, so I hope they don't.

I did 'get' the joke Sasha was making without further explanation. I will add, Indians are from India though, Native Americans are who discovered America. Change the school books already, Christopher Columbus could not have discovered somewhere people were already living. Otherwise, I'm going to 'discover' someone's mansion and claim it for myself

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Totally agree... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...39-503544.html

[thepiedpiper]

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Ha I never really thought of pipe in piper.. I actually used the name as back when i signed up it was a name I used as music production alias but it seems more forum appropriate than i thought.

I'll definitely keep the 'IOU' to one side

[bigdicki]

I'm still not really sure what to think about the whole Osama incident and am still reserving full judgement. Now to make my stance clear I believe Osama was a real person and the head of Al Queda. I'm still not sure if he was killed on Sunday but he may have been dead for some time. I don't believe he is still alive as making up the raid and killing completely would be preposterous.
I personally think he could have been dead for some time firstly due to the timing of the killing (in line with re-elections) and also due to the reluctancy to release photographic or video evidence. I believe Reuters has already annonouced that photo's where taken at the scene and video was shot of Osama's burial at sea. The Whitehouse have said these have not been released due to possible retaliation from Al Queda and the Taliban based on the graphic appearence of Osama post mortem. This all makes logical sense at first glance but when compared to Saddam Hussien's execution being recorded and posted online within hours back in 2006 it seems unlikely that the US government would be so reluctant to show the world their accomplishment.

I'm am still undecided however due to firstly the Government being a different one from 2006 and also due to Obama's run in office. As I am not a US citizen I seldom follow Obama but I have come to the conclusion that his intentions are generally good compared to past presidents. He may not have worked the miracles expected of him before entering office but his determination behind universal healthcare alone leaves a good impression with me so him dishonestly announcing Osama's death would be out of character for me.

There is another think that I have found worrying though. Despite the obvious worry of retaliation from Al Queda and similar Jihadi groups there seems to be a rather harsh undertone from US Goverment spokespeople when referring to Pakistan. Over the last 10 years the US and UK in my opinion have worked hard to form alliances with Pakistan but I have seen over the last few days various comments suggesting distrust of the Pakistani Government. As their Government is Military based and the head of state was not elected through Democratic voting there should be more cause for concern with how volatile this government could be. I'm sure the last thing The US want is to loose an ally in the Middle East and potentially gain an enemy.

On a final note in reply to Bigdicki, although I believe Obama was born in Hawaii your comment on Kenya not existing in 1961 is incorrect. In 1961 Kenya was Colonial Kenya i.e. it was part of the British empire and that had been since 1890 when the British Empire took Kenya from Germany.

Ok, no video of the execution of Saddam Hussein was aired by the US military; it was the Iraqi government who aired footage leading up to it (but not the actual execution). Someone recorded it on a phone or something and put it on the net, but that's not the government. However, the Bush led government did release snuff photos of Saddam's two boys' dead bodies. Which caused a stir in Muslim communities as I remember. Two big differences with Obama 1) he's not as egomaniacal as Bush and 2) he learns from mistakes.

Pakistani military CLEARLY was protecting Osama... he was a mile from their training headquarters... in a fucking mansion. THAT is why government officials are blasting those liars.

And although I respect the correction, clearly I meant that Kenya was not an independent country and so he couldn't have been born in or have a birth certificate from the Republic of Kenya. I believe it was called British East Africa during that time.

Now... back to looking at some fine t-booty and drinking my after-work Tanqy & tonic.

[CosmicTraveler]

They're playing the episode of South Park with Osama on it now... everyone go watch that.

[blkgsxr]

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[bigdicki]

If said president is involved in the continuation and propagation of what many consider to be a geopolitical ruse i.e. "war on terror", that has unjustly caused the death of millions worldwide in an effort to secure hydrocarbon resources then why should one care what his ethnicity is. The fact that he is bi-racial/black means nothing especially if he is practicing deceit. It is highly suspicious, to say the least, that a man who is accused of heinous crimes worldwide and is wanted by several nations is captured and killed and then "conveniently" buried at sea all in a 24 hour period before any international or independent verification can be made. Sounds preposterous, at least to me.

I wasn't saying that we shouldn't question him because he is Black. I was questioning that he would get enough support from the biggest component of government and military industrial to completely fake his birth location and the killing of a major terrorist. You took that and ran past left field into the parking lot with it. Then you quoted it out of context. In a free country, one should always question government, however as David Gergen said in an article yesterday on CNN, some questions are just a stupid waste of time.

So now... back to big dicks on fine chicks who make me cum quick.