A beautiful rant against monotheistic nazi bullies

[thepiedpiper]

Ok I'll try to keep this short as I'm not sure you're really getting the point here. I might even capitalise words as this seems to be something you enjoy but there are no guarantees.

Firstly I have not refused to accept the points you made or have I denied the horrors that go on in some majority Muslim countries. The only point I have tried to make and one which, I feel is important is this is not EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM. The reason I bring this up as I have already stated is because the guy in the first video most of the time refers to Islam and Muslims as a whole - as one entity eluding to all people who consider themselves Muslim. This is exactly what the issue is that I am raising.

People throughout history seem to have the uncanny ability to firstly stereotype before anything else.

All of the comments you have made in your last post are correct but the point I have tried to make is that you should not blanket these activities to apply to EVERY MUSLIM on the fucking planet. This type of stereotyping creates a never ending vicious cycle of hate. We need to acknowledge that only some mis-interpret religious scripture to put a stop to their activities. If you paint a picture that seems to refer to every single person of a religious group then the response your likely to get is that all those people hate you. Acknowledge that it is not everyone and pinpoint who it is then you can work together to stop it.

This is the only point I have tried to illustrate here.

Oh and if the fight comes to my door.. scratch that if anyone comes to my door Muslim or not starting shit then I will punch them in the fucking face.

[GroobySteven]

Ok I'll try to keep this short as I'm not sure you're really getting the point here. I might even capitalise words as this seems to be something you enjoy but there are no guarantees.

Firstly I have not refused to accept the points you made or have I denied the horrors that go on in some majority Muslim countries. The only point I have tried to make and one which, I feel is important is this is not EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM. The reason I bring this up as I have already stated is because the guy in the first video most of the time refers to Islam and Muslims as a whole - as one entity eluding to all people who consider themselves Muslim. This is exactly what the issue is that I am raising.

People throughout history seem to have the uncanny ability to firstly stereotype before anything else.

All of the comments you have made in your last post are correct but the point I have tried to make is that you should not blanket these activities to apply to EVERY MUSLIM on the fucking planet. This type of stereotyping creates a never ending vicious cycle of hate. We need to acknowledge that only some mis-interpret religious scripture to put a stop to their activities. If you paint a picture that seems to refer to every single person of a religious group then the response your likely to get is that all those people hate you. Acknowledge that it is not everyone and pinpoint who it is then you can work together to stop it.

This is the only point I have tried to illustrate here.

Oh and if the fight comes to my door.. scratch that if anyone comes to my door Muslim or not starting shit then I will punch them in the fucking face.

Great post and I agree. I don't think every single Muslim is complacent in the things mentioned in the video and I don't think the video maker intended that, it's clear that we're not dealing in absolutes but he is spot on, on a lot of points. As a religion (and as their culture is so deeply routed in their religion) they are intolerant and have no respect for any other religions, cultures or people. There are some good Muslim groups in the UK - but also many that seek to take advantage of the lenient laws and how we generally afford the respect to any religious groups. It's getting tiring. They've bitched and moaned and over-reacted for far too long. Salman Rushdie, Danish comics, etc. it's tiring and people have had enough.
You rarely hear of Muslim's defending what these zealots are attacking, many seem complacent if not actively supporting them.

It's time Muslims and Islam faced the fact that they are the same as any other religion or group of people in this country and if they want to be treat of equals then they need to afford the same to everyone else, which includes the freedom to make a joke - or criticize their God or religion - as we would with any others.

[SHAUN]

Ok I'll try to keep this short as I'm not sure you're really getting the point here. I might even capitalise words as this seems to be something you enjoy but there are no guarantees.

Firstly I have not refused to accept the points you made or have I denied the horrors that go on in some majority Muslim countries. The only point I have tried to make and one which, I feel is important is this is not EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM. The reason I bring this up as I have already stated is because the guy in the first video most of the time refers to Islam and Muslims as a whole - as one entity eluding to all people who consider themselves Muslim. This is exactly what the issue is that I am raising.

People throughout history seem to have the uncanny ability to firstly stereotype before anything else.

All of the comments you have made in your last post are correct but the point I have tried to make is that you should not blanket these activities to apply to EVERY MUSLIM on the fucking planet. This type of stereotyping creates a never ending vicious cycle of hate. We need to acknowledge that only some mis-interpret religious scripture to put a stop to their activities. If you paint a picture that seems to refer to every single person of a religious group then the response your likely to get is that all those people hate you. Acknowledge that it is not everyone and pinpoint who it is then you can work together to stop it.

This is the only point I have tried to illustrate here.

Oh and if the fight comes to my door.. scratch that if anyone comes to my door Muslim or not starting shit then I will punch them in the fucking face.

Ok ok, I'll TRY not to capitalise, lol....

Look, at the risk of sounding patronising, you are obviously intellectually and emotionally intelligent.... So please don't try and encapsulate these anti-Islamist arguments into something so dumb, as if I and a bunch of other dim-witted neanderthals are talking about "...every single muslim individual"...

Dude, obviously we're not talking about "...every single muslim"... That would be RIDICULOUS (ooops, sorry: that would be ridiculous).

It is the movement, not the individual that is encroaching on all other cultures and landscapes... The only time an individual should be judged and held accountable is for their individual "actions" (or, indeed, lack of action), not their group membership.

But when so many individuals identify with a movement - either passively or aggressively - that is significantly upsetting and unpleasant to other cultures, then those other cultures must, inevitably, draw attention and ultimately make judgements about the movement that seeks to impose itself on all before it.

Listen to this: before the Salmon Rushdie affair, I was only aware of Islam and muslims in the same way as I was aware of hindus, sikhs, bhuddists, pagans etc... Their group was just one of many groups co-existing in society, all just generally getting along and making do.... Now, that has all changed... And it continues to change, with increasing pace.

North, East, West or South.... Everywhere there is Islam you will find stress and strife. Does Islam co-exist with us pagans, atheists and agnostics particualrly well in the West? ... How about in the Far East where you find Islam next to Bhuddism?... What about in India where it is supposed to live next to hindus?.... And Africa, where it has settled nest to Christianity and paganism and tribal religions, how is it getting on there, do you think? Oh, and what about the jews? The middle east used to be FULL of jews (and christians and pagans), surely Islam has learnt to settle peacefully there, among the jews and christians and pagans?... Oh, wait a second, all the christians and jews and pagans have emigrated, or simply dissapeared??... Wow, I wonder why that is? Maybe they just didn't like the climate?

Islam is even at war with itself: shia and sunni muslims regularly blow eachother up, they even eachother's mosques up, for fuks sake... Meanwhile, let any non-muslim set foot in a mosque while forgetting to take his shoes off and all hell is let loose. The one muslim tradition that I do know of as being tolerant and peaceful is the Sufi strand of Islam, and guess what? They are despised by other branches of islam for being too spiritual; Both shia AND sunni groups regularly attack them.

The point I'm making is that there is an undeniable pattern here... Islam expands into other nations/cultures, then quickly sets about changing those other cultures by pretending to be OUTRAGED and harbouring false grievances for every petty infringement that they contrive to perceive against them.

At the risk of sounding thuggish, the time has come for ALL other cultures of the world, from Nigeria to Norway, and from Thailand to Tallahassee to:

SHUT THE FUCK UP

And just for record: No, I am not talking about

every

single

muslim.

Because that would be silly.

blue eyed devil

[SHAUN]

LOL.... Obviously, what I meant to say was:

At the risk of sounding thuggish, the time has come for ALL other cultures of the world, from Nigeria to Norway, and from Thailand to Tallahassee, to tell islam to:

SHUT THE FUCK UP

heehee

[thepiedpiper]

I think I am starting to see eye to eye with you now dude! but just to clarify I wasn't sating you personally where referring to Islam as one my issue was more with the guy in the original video. I mean even the guy in the second video posted was cool in my opinion as he separated extremist Muslims from Muslims by using the term radical Islam.

I'm pretty sure the original dude wasn't referring to every single Muslim but I must take some concern from his personal view as he is a Coptic Christian so there is going to be some bigotry there I'm sure. The concern here though is not everyone who watches that video will view it like I did or you have for that matter. When he refers to Islam in general or Muslims some people will interpret what he has said at face value and assume all Muslims behave in the same way and this is what leads to trouble much like radical Muslim clerics that instill hatred in to followers by using blanket statements like the guy in the video

I agree that if a specific group of people act in a way which, draws attention to itself eventually others will begin to associate those behaviours to the group as a whole as we are conditioned to do so. My issue with this however is that we should be targeting those extreme individuals which, promote this negative behaviour within the group and take them out of the equation. In this case we should be working together to remove extremist Muslim leaders and then the rest will fall.

I think this paragraph you wrote is an interesting point:

The point I'm making is that there is an undeniable pattern here... Islam expands into other nations/cultures, then quickly sets about changing those other cultures by pretending to be OUTRAGED and harbouring false grievances for every petty infringement that they contrive to perceive against them.

Reading this made me think.. hmm isn't this how many cultures/nations behave when they expand or move elsewhere not just Islam? You're right in making this point still as I do believe out of all the monotheistic religions Islam probably does have the most oppressive set of interpreted values in the modern world.

I think to summarise I agree with much of what you have said in the posts and my postings where more a dig at the guy in the video who in my opinion has some deep rooted racist/bigoted views which, do cloud some of his judgement.

[SHAUN]

I think you're probably right about the Coptic Christian guy being motivated by bigotry, and probably being something of a religious nutjob... Consequently I wouldn't choose his company for a drink or 2 lol.... But I have to excuse his bitterness in this case because his peoples and his culture are literally an endangered species.

The middle east is the home of monotheism, unleashing upon the pagan world the 3 religions of judaism, christianity and islam, and giving us such joyous and easy-going figures as Moses, Jesus, and Mohamed... Obviously, then, this whole entire region was absoulutely FULL of adherents of these 3 religions, as well as many pagan peoples. As a simplification, we could estimate that this region was 25% jewish, 25% christian, 25% muslim, and 25% everyone else.

Now this entire region is at least 90% muslim...

And I think we know how that situation came about: non-muslims were either forced to convert, forced to emigrate, or exterminated... Those that remained, like coptic christians, are all but extinct.

We in the west, and our brothers and sisters in the far east and southern hemisphere must not allow this to happen to our culture and our peoples.

Curiously, this is a fate that Africa and Europe already share very similar experiences of: both Africa and Europe had Christianity forced on them, while the far east mostly avoided this fate.

We must all now be on guard as the next wave of monotheism comes at us like a tidal wave of extreme repression, extreme misogeny, and extreme homophobia.

Paradoxically, the extremist islamists are not really the danger as they are very predictable and easily pointed out... The real dangers are the more insiduous, politically-ambitious islamists (who skillfully use, and abuse, our western notions of free speech and tolerance, using our very liberty against us)... And equally dangerous to World peace and culture are the so called moderate muslims who consistently fail to vocalise their disapproval of Sharia Law, and all the implications this vile system of religious law has for Women, homosexuals, and ALL non-muslims, i.e. "Infidel" or "kuffar".... If you are not a muslim, whether you are religious or atheist, to the islamic culture you are "kuffar" or "infidel", meaning scum or filth... This is not an extremist islamic belief, but, I'm afraid, a general one.

I am a Proud Infidel... And I stand alongside my infidel brothers and sisters in Africa, South America and the Far East to protect all of our liberty and culture from islamic dictatorship.

blue eyed devil

blue eyed devil

[aaronk]

i dont think islam has suffered all the 100 years wars or the 60 years wars that christians endured throughout europe in previous centuries..those long long conflicts haad much to do with our sense of democracy and personal sovereignty that we enjoy here in the west..our history over here is equally bloody but removed by history.. arabs havent gone through this to learn more about the importance of separation of church and state..shit afghanistan is still in a ad1000 mindset really...tribal and scared of religious zealots..