Feedback & Constructive Criticism

[GroobySteven]

LOL where have you read that constructive criticism is supposed to be labeled with pretty words? Anyways...in regards to what the models do in the vids, "Can we get" more of them on a counter top, on a table, bent over, walking around naked, oiled up, on the stairs, in a pool, sexy outfits, shower scene, exercising, etc.......The list is infinite. In regards to other sites, some people that make really good vids to me are sites like,,,,, Their scenes come together really well, and it be nice to see similar vids on here.

That why it's constructive not just a bunch of moans and whines - by letting someone know what can be done to change it. Being polite and able to put your points across in a proper manner, is how you get an answer to something and not deleted. If you can't learn that, you may as well stop communicating completely and go swing in a tree.
The sites you mentioned: only TSPlayground (which I've already mentioned in this thread) does anything more creative than this site and they only update a few scenes a year which he pays $1000's to produce - the rest are junk (in my opinion). If the list is infinite then by doing as many different scenes as we do we're a) fulfilling what you're asking us to do and b) never going to be able to please you.
Maybe you've just spent too much time on this site and became over-saturated by the amount of regular updates and content. 12 yrs ago we barely got one new girl a month and a handful of black sets. We're now putting up the equivalent of almost a set a day, have more new girls then we no how to deal with and the content has improved immeasurably in every way ... so maybe it's just that, you're getting too used to what we do, so of course sets start to look more similar.
I don't mean this as a cop out to your so called feedback but what you've suggested, we're doing, in each and every update so maybe it's not us, it's you.

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai, I respect you for opportunities you have presented to me in the past and for maintaining this forum and website. I have a habit of being too blunt at time, especially when the liquor is flowing.

But with that said, I can't stand by and let anyone disrespect me or call me out, especially when they have a history of being a smart mouth. And because of my reaction I apologize to you for my comments that ultimately lead to the deletion of my earlier thread.

If you ever are in Chicago, i'll take you out for dinner and drinks with some hot local cool t-girls on me.

Peace, love and soul!!!!!!!!!

I'm in!
Seriously, give us proper feedback like what TheGreat1 is talking about above and we'll get it to the photographers and see what we can do.

[GroobySteven]

in defense of seanchai, the outfits are out of his control...the photogs need to tell the models that the regular 'bra and panty' combination isnt gonna work...they need OUTFITS...not like they have to spend a gang of money on them, just something sexy...

now in defense of wert, i DO think most of the hardcore scenes are kinda of ho-hum...i've seen some of the girls in their private stash of videos and they're going HARD...but they get on btg and wanna be cute...again, the photogs need to demand more from BOTH male and female performers...like sasha strokes says, 'this ain't no beauty competition, its PORN' lol...

as far as the content of the solo scenes, yeah there needs to be more creativity because its a solo scene...the basic 'her sitting there stroking' gets dull because solo scenes don't offer a whole lot so to make up for it, get creative...shower scenes, pool scenes, outside scenes, play with the lighting, etc...have the girls actually talk (silent movies went out a LONG time ago lol)...

all in all, i don't have a problem with the site, i just believe with the level of talent (the models) and the photogs you have (remy, kali, buddy woods), the videos can be so much better (not saying they aren't good now)...and yes, i understand you don't have the backing of a SUPER company, but what you lack in big budget can be made up for with creativity...hell, i bet if you had a video with the model cumming in a different position, like doggy style, it'd get a good review because honestly, that's some of the sexiest shit in the world...the viewer can imagine hitting the model from the back while she's cumming...that's the best shit in the world right there lol

All good points. You've met (how) many of these girls so you know what they're like. We give them a checklist of what to do/bring before a shoot and 7/10 fuck something up. At that point we can cancel/reschedule the shoot and risk never getting them in again, the photographers losing their time and money and possibly not having enough material - or we can go ahead and adapt. We always have the photographers at the least bring stockings but trying to bring a full wardrobe would be inpractical and expensive. Also what a model thinks is sexy ... isn't what you, or you, or you, or I might think is sexy.

Amateur shoots are always hornier - they're hornier to watch as you know the paricipants are really into it. I do think there have been some lacklustre scenes on here over the years and some of the recent ones have been a disappointment - but again, it's often not found out until mid-way through a scene that the girl isn't a performer (or doesn't know how to) and it's too late to cancel then. I do critic back to the photographers on shoots and those who aren't getting more consistent good shoots, will get less commissions.

Believe me, all the photographer we have now try to get the best out of the models, solo scenes are solo scenes - there is only so much you can do with one. A shower scene just doesn't give enough to do with (shot 2-3 angles, either standing or squatting), doggystyle masturbating and cumming? It might look good but go and try it ... it's not easy and it looks like you're milking a cow - we'd then have guys complaining we didn't get the face and the pop shot on. You guys seem to think that we're able to demand, push and instruct the models what to do - for a lot of them that doesn't work, we have to cajole, encourage and tutor them, all the while telling them how fantastic they are doing and how great they look. These aren't pro-models - often it's there first shoots (and sometimes their last) - they're not looking for fulltime careers in porn.
Ultimately, this site is what it is. If you want pro-models and slick scenes where every scene works then there are sites, which follow this site and cherrypick (steal) the best models which we've already tested.

All photographers will be pointed to this thread. We will encourage better costumes and see if we can get change some stuff but not matter what we do, there are only so many ways to skin a cat and with 1500 models, many with 6+ scenes, there is going to be a lot of repetition in the sets.

[johnmagnum]

I'm in!
Seriously, give us proper feedback like what TheGreat1 is talking about above and we'll get it to the photographers and see what we can do.

You should have a outline of some type or format, of what is expected form these girls, aside from busting a nut for extra kudos.

Skip the interview, or keep it under 2 minutes. Everyone is on here for some type of sexual fetish, so with that said, these photographers need to let these girls know ahead of time to be prepared to get freaky on camera and talk to the camera like they are fucking it.

Off the top of my head, Cinnamon is a good example of how a rookie (not saying she is a rookie) should do their videos. Ambrosia's last video is a good example of how a girl should talk to the cameras, but of course each girls has their own style and comfort zone.

These girls need to know that men and women are paying to see sex and get their fetishes fulfilled, not 10 minutes of modeling in a biking and a few minutes of jacking off and and titty play.

But since im not the photographer I have zero experience regarding the types of challenges they go through when dealing with the models.

Good luck and email me ahead of time if you wanna take me up on that offer since I do not check my email on a daily basis.

[werwt22]

That why it's constructive not just a bunch of moans and whines - by letting someone know what can be done to change it. Being polite and able to put your points across in a proper manner, is how you get an answer to something and not deleted. If you can't learn that, you may as well stop communicating completely and go swing in a tree.
The sites you mentioned: only TSPlayground (which I've already mentioned in this thread) does anything more creative than this site and they only update a few scenes a year which he pays $1000's to produce - the rest are junk (in my opinion). If the list is infinite then by doing as many different scenes as we do we're a) fulfilling what you're asking us to do and b) never going to be able to please you.
Maybe you've just spent too much time on this site and became over-saturated by the amount of regular updates and content. 12 yrs ago we barely got one new girl a month and a handful of black sets. We're now putting up the equivalent of almost a set a day, have more new girls then we no how to deal with and the content has improved immeasurably in every way ... so maybe it's just that, you're getting too used to what we do, so of course sets start to look more similar.
I don't mean this as a cop out to your so called feedback but what you've suggested, we're doing, in each and every update so maybe it's not us, it's you.

Swing in a tree? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Dude Im not writing you a formal letter, this is just another thread on a porn forum. I was just giving you the honest truth but you always go on one of your tirades when someone says something that you dont wanna hear. I was just speaking freely. No need to get uptight or to try and belittle me. And how can you say "maybe it's not us, it's you" and when thegreat1 reiterated the exact same thing i said, you turn around and call them all good points? Hmmmm?

[werwt22]

Never mind. Continuing to argue would be pointless. I said what I needed in regards to the thread and the great1 helped me "clarify" so I'll just leave this argument alone

[GroobySteven]

Swing in a tree? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Dude Im not writing you a formal letter, this is just another thread on a porn forum. I was just giving you the honest truth but you always go on one of your tirades when someone says something that you dont wanna hear. I was just speaking freely. No need to get uptight or to try and belittle me. And how can you say "maybe it's not us, it's you" and when thegreat1 reiterated the exact same thing i said, you turn around and call them all good points? Hmmmm?

Why would I be uptight or try to belittle you? I answered your points on the information you give (or weren't able to). Formal has nothing to do with it - but if you can't communicate what you want then how can I guess? If TheGreat1's comments are reiterated, then why didn't you say that?

If I didn't "wanna hear" something, I wouldn't have a forum and be answering you.

How can I say "it's not us, it's you"? Because maybe it is. You can only eat so many lobsters before you want a steak.

[GroobySteven]

You should have a outline of some type or format, of what is expected form these girls, aside from busting a nut for extra kudos.

Do already but you can't really do it ahead of time. If a girl comes with an outrageous ass then we try and use that, if she's more aboue showing off her big cock then we go for that. You can't force a square into a circle and the best shoots are often where you work with a girl and how she thinks things should be.

Skip the interview, or keep it under 2 minutes. Everyone is on here for some type of sexual fetish, so with that said, these photographers need to let these girls know ahead of time to be prepared to get freaky on camera and talk to the camera like they are fucking it.

Everytime we miss an interview we get complaints. Have you really heard (come on just imagine it) some of these girls talking to the camera like they are fucking it? It's horrible - just really false and rubbish, it's not a natural thing to do. Someone likes feet, someone likes ass, someone likes lingerie, etc. There isn't a cookie cutter we can bring to each shoot until we're actually at the shoot.

Off the top of my head, Cinnamon is a good example of how a rookie (not saying she is a rookie) should do their videos. Ambrosia's last video is a good example of how a girl should talk to the cameras, but of course each girls has their own style and comfort zone.

Each girl has their own style and comfort zone - exactly - we can cajole and encourage but until we get the girl under lights and camera, you never know what you're going to get.

These girls need to know that men and women are paying to see sex and get their fetishes fulfilled, not 10 minutes of modeling in a biking and a few minutes of jacking off and and titty play.

Yep.

But since im not the photographer I have zero experience regarding the types of challenges they go through when dealing with the models.

This is the real crux and with all respect to everyone in this thread, you all think you can do better. Until you get a girl you've only met an hour before, under 2-4 lights, in front of a camera and you start directing her on what to do. Some flow and are brilliant, and others are pulling teeth. What you see is the edited version. We've had girls jacking for 45 mins just to get a cum shot (that part is edited down to a minute or so) and at that point you just don't want to miss the cum shot, you'd never dare to tell her to move into XZY position incase she or you lost the moment.
If we working with pro-models, the type of models on Shemale.XXX for example who have done shoots before it's different but for most girls, it's their first time or less than 2-3 shoots under their belts.

[thegreat1]

All good points. You've met (how) many of these girls so you know what they're like. We give them a checklist of what to do/bring before a shoot and 7/10 fuck something up. At that point we can cancel/reschedule the shoot and risk never getting them in again, the photographers losing their time and money and possibly not having enough material - or we can go ahead and adapt. We always have the photographers at the least bring stockings but trying to bring a full wardrobe would be inpractical and expensive. Also what a model thinks is sexy ... isn't what you, or you, or you, or I might think is sexy.

Amateur shoots are always hornier - they're hornier to watch as you know the paricipants are really into it. I do think there have been some lacklustre scenes on here over the years and some of the recent ones have been a disappointment - but again, it's often not found out until mid-way through a scene that the girl isn't a performer (or doesn't know how to) and it's too late to cancel then. I do critic back to the photographers on shoots and those who aren't getting more consistent good shoots, will get less commissions.

Believe me, all the photographer we have now try to get the best out of the models, solo scenes are solo scenes - there is only so much you can do with one. A shower scene just doesn't give enough to do with (shot 2-3 angles, either standing or squatting), doggystyle masturbating and cumming? It might look good but go and try it ... it's not easy and it looks like you're milking a cow - we'd then have guys complaining we didn't get the face and the pop shot on. You guys seem to think that we're able to demand, push and instruct the models what to do - for a lot of them that doesn't work, we have to cajole, encourage and tutor them, all the while telling them how fantastic they are doing and how great they look. These aren't pro-models - often it's there first shoots (and sometimes their last) - they're not looking for fulltime careers in porn.
Ultimately, this site is what it is. If you want pro-models and slick scenes where every scene works then there are sites, which follow this site and cherrypick (steal) the best models which we've already tested.

All photographers will be pointed to this thread. We will encourage better costumes and see if we can get change some stuff but not matter what we do, there are only so many ways to skin a cat and with 1500 models, many with 6+ scenes, there is going to be a lot of repetition in the sets.

lol @ 'go and try it'...i'll pass sir lmao...i've seen it done in real life and it looks spectacular...maybe i'll get the chick to do it on video and i'll send it to you so you can see what i mean...

and im in NO way trying to suggest that the photogs don't put forth their best effort in every shoot...far be it from me to insinuate that someone is half-assing if i don't know it for sure...i've exchanged quite a few messages with both Remy and Kali, and they've both been very helpful and kind, so i would never intentionally insult them

and yeah, im not photographer, at least not a professional lol, so no, i don't know what all it entails...im sure it is MUCH more difficult than it appears...and yes, i'm sure not everything goes as planned and that makes things more difficult...in regard to your statement about 'try shooting a girl that you've only met an hour ago', would it be too difficult that, when a photog sets up a shoot (if they do it a week or two in advance), that they try to open up a line of communication with the model so they're more familiar with each other as far as what they are and/or aren't comfortable with...so they can kind of frame their shoot around that...im not saying take the girl out to dinner, just maybe a few phone conversations or if they're in the same, meet them out somewhere to hang out for a few minutes...cuz i know i'd be nervous and apprehensive as well if i had to get naked in front of a complete stranger too (see, thegreat1 isn't as bold as he may appear lol)

all in all, i know what i suggested may not be what other site members want to see and vice versa...so trying to satisfy everybody is impossible and that makes all of your jobs more difficult...again, i wasn't trying to start a witch hunt, drama or a 'bash the photogs' thread...i greatly appreciate them as well as this site...this site actually helped me become more comfortable with my attraction and relationships with ts women...and in more than a sexual aspect too...i've met and gotten to know some of the girls from this site and have come to appreciate them for not only their beauty and sexuality, but for the people that they are as well...so thank you to all the photogs (and you seanchai) for all of your work...i have the utmost respect for what all of you do...if i could figure out how to get my vision up and running, i'd foray into the market as well...i've got a great idea, just can't figure out how to put it into motion

[GroobySteven]

would it be too difficult that, when a photog sets up a shoot (if they do it a week or two in advance), that they try to open up a line of communication with the model so they're more familiar with each other as far as what they are and/or aren't comfortable with...so they can kind of frame their shoot around that...im not saying take the girl out to dinner, just maybe a few phone conversations or if they're in the same, meet them out somewhere to hang out for a few minutes...cuz i know i'd be nervous and apprehensive as well if i had to get naked in front of a complete stranger too (see, thegreat1 isn't as bold as he may appear lol)

They do - Buddy is probably the best at this but often a traveling girl needs to be shot within days. A few phone calls doens't break down the barrier of getting naked, erect and spreading your ass in front of a camera. Our current crop of shooters all have good rapports with the models but as you know, many of the girls aren't the easiest communicators or the most relaxed people at the best of times.